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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment, Part 1
3- News Segment, Part 2
4- Interview Segment 2: Yehuda Remer
5- DGU Segment:
6- Email and Show Close:
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Gary: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, December 11th, 2017, I’m Gary Daughtery
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Yahooda Remer about his book 10 little liberals.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the risk to gun owners if they get a medical marijuana card.
Gary: in one of our DGU’s or e-mail .. so climb aboard
Belle: strap in
John: and hang on!
Gary: episode 433 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
John – I was a guest on Bill Chachkes’ Firearms Chat this past week to discuss passage of HR 38 in the House and its chances in the Senate. Other than that, I survived the snowpocalypse that hit the South. We had plenty of milk, bread, and toilet paper. Oh, and bourbon.
Belle – This week I…finished my Xmas shopping! What more could a person want out of life mid-December?
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Belle- MORE ON MARIJUANA…
We recently reported that three states have begun to move against firearms ownership among medical marijuana holders.
Since then, there have been additional developments. After public outcry, Honolulu Police Department has begin to review its policy of confiscation and may have reversed it altogether.
However as of now, twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia have laws “broadly legalizing” marijuana use in one form or another. Legal gun owners in each of these states remain at risk of having their firearms confiscated as a consequence of their having a marijuana card from their home state, because as of now, marijuana use remains illlegal under federal aww. Ohio for example, just joined the list of States letting people know that MJ and firearms don’t mix.
Rob- You can use other drugs and
John – The ATF revised the Form 4473 to make clear that marijuana usage is against Federal law.
Rob- FBI AND AFT COOPERATE ON GUN CONFISCATIONS
A little known aspect of the NICS process is that if a report fails to come back with a clean “Yes / No” decision within three days, then the FFL is at liberty to release the firearm(s), at their own discretion.
The Law that established the NICS system, specifically prohibited the background check from being used as a “system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions…”
Now, a report in USA Today reveals that FBI and ATF are working together to confiscate 4,000 firearms from people who were sold them after the 72 hour period expired with no NICS result, but who turned out to have been a “no”.
This presents a huge dilemma for legal gun owners. Is it better to have 4,000 guns removed from those who would have been denied them? Or, is it worse to have the NICS system being used as the registry it was specifically precluded from being?
John- US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES PASSES NATIONAL RECIPROCITY
In what can only be considered as a huge victory for gun rights and restoration of 2nd Amendment rights for legal gun owners everywhere, the House of representatives passed the National Concealed Carry bill last Wednesday. The action now moves to the Senate.
The Bill was merged with the “FixNICS” bill and had an item about “bump stocks” included also. This is designed to make it easier to pass the Senate because while FixNICS is thought to be an easy pass there alone, it would be much harder to pass National Reciprocity there as an independent bill.
We should all watch carefully as anti-gun Senators on *both* sides of the house work hard and long to re-separate these two Bills in order to quash Reciprocity. If National Reciprocity fails in the Senate, then millions of Americans will continue to live under the oppression of their States’ anti-gun laws. Contact your Senators to let them know that you want National Reciprocity passed, even if it is merged with this FixNICS Bill.
Rob- Perfection vs good enough. Attack the bad fix nics bill next year.
Rob- Gary promises to send Rob a copy of his letter.
John – I looked back to 2011 when the House also passed reciprocity.
Gary- GOOD NEWS FOR DELAWARE RESIDENTS
The Delaware Supreme Court recently ruled that it was legal for residents of that tiny State to carry their protective firearms in State Parks and Forests.
The decision lists almost 150 pages of opinion and dissent regarding the 2nd Amendment, and is interesting reading for sure. However in the end it was decided not on firearms precedent, but as a case of administrative over-reach.
The key sentences are: “We are asked whether unelected officials…., whose power is expressly limited, can ban…the possession of guns in state parks and forests in contravention of ….the State’s constitution. Clearly they cannot. They lack such authority because they may not pass unconstitutional laws…. As such, the regulations are unconstitutional on their face
This is good news for Delawarians, but it also sets an interesting precedent for those of us concerned about the “Any Federal Agency” broad ned set forth in the upcoming FixNICS legislation
Belle- POLICE CHIEF IN OHIO CALLS FOR NATIONAL CONCEALED CARRY RECIPROCITY
We have all been following the National CCW reciprocity legislation move through the house and to the Senate, with considerable excitement. Now, one Police Chief says – “It’s about time!”
Police Chief Dennis Murphy, of Gahanna, Ohio, writing his opinion for Fox News, said that gun owners are always worried that they will break a law someplace without realizing it, and the varied and ever-changing picture of state-state reciprocity makes this more likely.
He supports National Reciprocity as a way to end the confusion, anxiety and expense that accompanies trying to exercise one’s Constitutional right to self defense while traveling. It will also bring an end to Paul’s “disarmament dance”. This is particularly important because criminals do not pay attention to the law anyway.
He concludes by saying.. “I fully support the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act and encourage all gun owners to do the same.. It’s time for Congress to protect our rights.
Like Chief Murphy, we here encourage all our listeners to contact their Senators and let them know you want them to vote *for* this Act.
Rob- I heard an interview with chief murphy. He said that honest gun owners are not a problem. Opioid drug dealers are.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).
3- Interview 1
Belle- so what are your parenting tactics for avoiding raising ‘special snowflakes? Ive got the ‘Cowbot up’ line down pat. What else do you have for me as a parent trying to avoid that?
What age do you/will you start taking your kids to the range?
4- Interview 2
5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.
Belle-Sterling Heights, MI
A Sterling Heights Michigan woman took her dog for a walk outside her apartment complex in the 15 Mile – Van Dyke area on a recent Sunday evening. As she walked she got a sinking feeling about a black van sitting running.
She noticed a man get out of the van on the other side of the street and start walking down that side of the street in the same direction she was walking. She is a CPL holder and put her hand on her gun which was concealed under her jacket.
As she reached the end of the street, she lost sight of the man but a minute later, he was coming toward her.
He grabbed the back of her jacket and tried to grab her and pulled her towards her.
She put the gun into the suspect’s stomach and said, “I don’t want to kill you.”
The man appeared shocked and quickly retreated.
Officials were still investigating and have increased patrols of the area.
Rob- Why did she hesitate?
Belle- process vs resource predator
Rob- The resource predator wants your stuff. The process predator wants to take you. You can’t tell until after the fact.
Belle-She said she had a sinking feeling. Her gut feeling told her there was reason.
John – Ellport, PA
84 year old Don Lutz sleeps with a loaded pistol under his pillow. Last Friday morning, he made use of it.
At 1:10 AM Mr Lutz woke to the sound of breaking glass. Carrying his .380 pistol down the hallway, he was confronted by two men. He ran into one face-to-face and the man grabbed him.
The Korean War vet who spend 16 months on the front lines, shot his attacker. He and the second intruder then scuffled with the homeowner on the kitchen floor when the wounded intruder rolled over succumbing to his wound. He was described as a 35 to 45 year old white male weighing close to 300 pounds. He was unarmed and wearing rubber gloves. He had not yet been identified.
The second criminal ran out the front door. Mr Lutz then called the police.
The gunshot was went through the dead man and the police could not find the bullet. They are looking for the second suspect and are guessing that he has the .380 slug in him.
Based on Pennsylvania’s Castle Doctrine and Self-defense, he will not be charged.
Gary – Go ahead Rob
Rob- 380 stops a 300 pound man with a thru and through
Rob- San Antonio, TX
Carlos Molina took his family out for dinner at a local Popeye’s. At about 8:30, 19-year-old Andres Herrera walked into the restaurant with the intent of leaving with as much money as he could.
The teen thug demanded money from the 32-year-old father, to which Molina replied that he had spent all his money on dinner for the family. He then asked the robber to let his family go.
Most of the family left but two of the children were in the restroom. When the kids exited the restroom, Herrara pointed his gun at them. It proved to be a fatal decision. Molina was licensed to carry and shot him several times.
San Antonio Police Captain Michael Starnes said that he will not face charges and that “he really saved the day and protected a lot of people” by his actions.
Twitter users were applauding the good guy with a gun saving lives.
Belle- I am pleasantly surprised
Rob- The employees ran out the back.
Gary – Baton Rouge, LA
When Caesar Ray’s daughter’s car alarm went off in the middle of the night while they were working on their home which had flooded. At bout that same time, a neighbor called to inform them that she had seen a man loitering around their house.
He has law enforcement training and has worked for the Louisiana Department of Corrections. He met Roberto Garcia in his front yard. He handcuffed the burglar and held him at gunpoint until police arrived and broadcast the entire event on Facebook Live.
Ray could be heard telling Garcia, “You tried to break into the wrong damn house. You stay where you are located right there. Don’t move. Who are you here with?”
Garcia answered no questions and was hauled off to jail where he was booked on charges of auto burglary and attempted burglary of an inhabited building and held on $20,000 bond.
Ray urged other people not to do what he did unless they have law enforcement experience. “Be vigilant. Continue to be observant, especially when you are coming home. Before you just pull in your driveway, look around and don’t just jump out of your vehicle.”
(ROB- this was poorly written)
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I am tired of being treated like a second-class citizen. Anti-gun Democrat politicians claim licensed concealed carry holders are dangerous. These bigoted politicians even say recognizing concealed carry permits will give criminals guns. These politicians said licensed gun owners should be put in prison for years.
The Democrat elites are wrong about us.
I put up a post this morning speculating about the chances that the Senate will pass national concealed carry reciprocity. Given the filibuster, it is 50-50 at best. The only hope is that some of the Red State Democrats will be pressured into supporting it if they want to be reelected. Unfortunately, I am seeing the hardening of the anti-gun position in the Democratic Party. Looking back at the 2011 vote in the House passing reciprocity, 43 Democrats voted for it. Now only 6 voted for it and 13 who had previously supported it voted against it this time. This is not good news.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
Rob- I want a roll-call vote. Let us find out who is actually for armed citizens.
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Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (yahod a remmer Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, Grant and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe
Belle: be awarewolf,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.