Episode 208 – with Ken Kowalski and Brian Bolivar

Brian: Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense, eh.

Paul: Welcome to The Polite Society Podcast recorded on Sunday, February second, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll bring you our usual news and DGUs, but we have guests in the house. They know their way around. Did you guys find what you need? Drinks are in the fridge.
Brian Bolivar: I’m Brian Bolivar from Modern Rifleman Radio.
Ken Kowalski: I’m Ken Kowalski from Modern Rifleman Radio, and we have a lot of good new on the firearms front.
Paul: So climb aboard
Rob: Stap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 208 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Catch up with each participant
Tom is away on urgent family business.
This is the 2 year anniversary of the show. Started Feb 3 2012.

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-Here is some good news.  Castle Rock Colorado read its new rule allowing open carry of a firearm in city facilities including parks and recreation centers.  The rule was read a second time and approved by the city council on a 4 to 3 vote after several hours of debate.  Castle Rock joins a growing number of Colorado towns and local governments who allow open carry.  Jeff Meek listens to the podcast and was at the meeting.  Jeff posted his comments on our facebook page and his blog.

-Tennessee Senator Stacey Campfield proposed a bill to stop local government’s from creating more disarmed victim zones in “gun free” public parks.  The measure passed the Senate Judiciary Committee 6-2.  Under Campfield’s proposal, permit holders would be allowed to carry, unless there’s a school function in the park. Republican Governor Bill Haslam has said he’s opposed to the legislation.  Sounds like our listeners from Tennessee have some phone calls to make.

-We have similar news from Kansas.  The Saline County Commission approved a significant change in employment policies.  The commission allowed county employees to carry a concealed weapon at work. Employees must have a concealed-carry permit, as required by law, and keep their firearm on their person at all times. That means employees are prohibited from storing or leaving a firearm in off-body carry bags.  Employees must also submit a copy of their concealed carry permit to the Saline County Human Resources Division.  Give Saline County, Kansas a hand.

A bill introduced in the Nebraska legislature would allow trained teachers and staff to carry a gun in school.  The bill’s sponsor, State Senator Mark Christensen of Imperial said, “If we really care about the kids, don’t we want to have the maximum security for them?” Schools in the state’s rural areas can be 15 miles or more from the closest police department or sheriff’s office. “Do we want to wait 30-40 minutes for a response and leave our kids at risk?” he said.

This sounds similar to bills we reported on in Arizona and Colorado.  Nebraska listeners, call your legislators.

-US Senator. Rand Paul proposed a bill to again allow guns in post offices.  The initial reaction from Democrat Committee Chairman Thomas Carper from Delaware was critical.  We don’t know how the votes stack up in the committee.  Senator Paul plans to revise sections of the bill covering Postal Service facilities housed within other federal buildings. Generally speaking, the measure would allow individuals to carry guns in post offices when otherwise carrying the weapon would be in compliance with state and local regulations.

The US Post Office sometimes claims to almost be a private corporation and sometimes more like a government entity as the subject suits them.

-It’s that time of year.. the season when year-end statistics come out about the growth of concealed carry.  The number of concealed carry licenses in Michigan rose statewide by 35%.  An overwhelming majority are in West Michigan.  Kent, Ottawa, Muskegon, and Newaygo Counties saw anywhere from 30% to 65% jumps in pistol sales, registrations and concealed pistol license applications in just one year.  The statewide number of women with concealed carry permits in Michigan increased by 57% to 33,096.  Way to go Michigan!

-Also in Michigan, here is a big city police chief who defends self-defense.  We covered the story a month ago when Detroit Police Chief James Craig publicly supported concealed carry.  Last Thursday, Detroit resident Sandra Hines challenged Chief Craig’s position during a Detroit Board of Police Commissioners meeting.  Hines claimed that arming citizens could lead to vigilantism.

Here is part of Chief Craig’s responce: “I did, in fact, say that good Americans, good Detroiters, if responsible, could get Concealed Pistol Licenses .. I said that because of my experience in four cities, having seen good Americans and good Detroiters that have CCWs and what effect it has had on deterring violent crime..”

“Most telling, there was research done by felons who were incarcerated, and what they said is that they’re more fearful of armed citizens than they are of police officers..”

“I do not condone vigilantism. I don’t support individuals arming themselves and doing the work of police officers. Police officers are trained to enforce the law..  I do see that a concealed weapon is an opportunity for self-protection only; not to go out and enforce the law.”

After Thursday’s Board meeting, Police Commissioner Lisa Carter and her husband, Tyrone Carter – both former police officers – said they agreed with Chief Craig.  “There are a lot of seniors in Detroit who are victims.  It’s not vigilantism for people to protect themselves.  That’s all we’re talking about: The right for people to be able to protect themselves.”

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From the Good Cop files, Brevard County Florida Sheriff Wayne Ivey now offers a Self Defense Through Tactical Shooting and Decision Making class due to his county’s surge in gun owners.  “We’ve seen a huge increase in the applications for concealed weapons permits,” said Cpl. Thomas Gunter.  “If you are going to have a gun, we want you to know how to properly use it,” Sheriff Ivey said.  Hallelujah, this police officer gets it.

-Moving up the coast, here is more good news from Green County Virginia.  Sheriff Steve Smith offers training to thousands of citizens in his 60 firearms classes offered each year.  That helps explain why the number of permit applications increased to 660, double the number in 2012.  “We go over laws, the permit process, handling techniques, even proper selection, legal transport, what states they can legally enter once they have that permit,” said deputy Steve Keene.

I love it when a department gets it right.

-Some states say they can’t support a citizens right to self-defense because the paperwork is insurmountable.  For example, the number of Oklahoma handgun license applications increased from 40 thousand to 60 thousand last year.  In response, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation announced an online application for handgun licensing and license renewals. Thank you for Oklahoma for stepping up and joining the modern online world.  I wish other states would follow your example.

-Representatives in the Iowa House granted preliminary approval to lower the minimum age that minors can use handguns under supervision.

This brings two things to mind.  First, a Department of Justice study back in the Clinton era showed that youngsters who were formally trained with firearms have a lower delinquency rate than other youngsters.  The second thing is that this training should be the prerogative of parents rather than legislators.  I know when, or if, my children are mature enough to train with firearms.

Rob: A friend sent in this second article about Iowa.  The group Iowa Gun Owners is raffling off an AR to raise funds and grow membership.  An anti-gun group got several Democrat Iowa lawmakers to condemn the raffle.  Iowa Gun Owners went on the offensive.  They posted the anti-gun article on social media and news outlets pointing out the anti-civil rights statements by Iowa politicians.  Instead of being shunned, membership and contributions to Iowa Gun Owners soared.

Way to go Iowa Gun Owners. And Mayor Bloomberg, I’ve got a feeling we’re not in California or Maryland any more.
I’d like this article even more if a listener from Iowa asked to have Iowa Gun Owners added to the list of state civil rights organizations.
Is that a hint?
I’d call it a plea.

Gun Quote
Rob- The Detroit Police Chief reminded me of this quotation from my friend John Longenecker, “Nothing puts the dignity in personal dignity (or the freedom in personal freedom) like the self in self-rule.”

Paul: That means we’re depending on our listeners to be great ambassadors for responsible self-defense. We’re going to go to break and then interview Ken and Brian from Modern Rifleman Radio. Hang on everybody. We’ll be right back.

Kathy Jackson quick tips.

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Segment 4 DGUs

DGU- Keith Dennis was walking to his home in Columbus Ohio late Wednesday night when two men came up behind him and demanded money.  They kept a knife to his back as they followed him home.  When they arrived, Dennis’s friend heard the two robbers, pulled his gun and chased the robbers from the home.  Police arrested the robbers a few hours later.

We could call this “knife beat unarmed man” and “gun beats knife.” Sounds like a loaded 45 beats Rock, Paper AND Scissors.

DGU- A 44-year-old Chicago man on crutches fatally shot an intruder who rushed him in his apartment.  The homeowner was awakened by his frightened daughter who heard noises coming from the back apartment.  The homeowner then got his gun when two intruders rushed him.  He fired once, killing a 31 year old intruder.  The second intruder fled.  Police found that the back door had been pried open with a shovel.

DGU- A Pensacola man answered the knock at his door at 2:30 in the afternoon.  That is when John Paul Phillips attempted to force his way inside.  The homeowner blocked the door with his body, and Phillips shot through the door.  The armed homeowner returned fire.  When they arrived, police found Phillips firearm laying on the sidewalk.  Phillips was taken to Sacred Heart Hospital for treatment of a shoulder wound and arrested on multiple charges including aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, shooting into a dwelling and using a firearm to commit a felony.

DGU-  A man wearing a dark-colored hooded sweatshirt, a mask, and white gloves presented a weapon and demanded cash at the small Delli Mart in northwest Roanoke, Virginia.  The store owner gave the man money, then the suspect demanded a box of cigarettes and grabbed a box of condoms.  The store owner grabbed his revolver and fired five times.  The thief was found by police in a nearby alley and taken to Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital.  He is charged with robbery and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.  I noticed that the newspaper account already had a picture of the thief so I suspect he’s been photographed before.

Paul: The Politics and Guns Podcast download application is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  The link is in our show notes.  Yes, they will get you the Polite Society Podcast.

From a listener that didn’t leave a name,  for the state level 2nd Amendment rights organization list, here in the state of West Virginia we are proud to have the West Virginia Citizens Defense League (WVCDL)
Webpage  http://wvcdl.org
Facebook  http://www.facebook.com/groups/WVCDL

Rob: We had a listener e-mail us.  He enjoys the show, and likes how the show is changing with time.  Hey, Paul?  He says that Sticks and I are a good addition and expects the show will continue to grow and change with time.
Paul:  Good job.  I’ll double your pay.
Rob: Thanks for your comments, Jeff Armstrong.

Paul: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and Canadian operators are standing by.

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.  Tommy Nelson, Glen Tate and Sticks will be there.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton AR, March 1st and 2nd..

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: I do.  I wrote a satire about a tweetfest between an anti-gun politician and an anti-gun activist.  It is called the Sneaky Talking Points About Gun Control.  They will rob us of our words before they try to steal our guns.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and Please go over and check out http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard, West Virginia is running the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammo if you run out.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 204 – with Allen Gottlieb, Pete Brownell and Kathy Jackson

Rob: An armed society is a polite society.. and welcome to the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: We’re recording today’s episode on Sunday, the 19th of January, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, on this show we have an interview with Allen Gottlieb and Pete Brownell
Paul: and we have a lots of news and DGUs as well as the return of Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat segment, so climb aboard.
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 204 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news- recovering from SHOT show.

Topic 1 BIG NEWS! The Polite Society Podcast will be running on http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is a West Virginia internet radio station that has been focusing on local high school sports and is expanding to include topical talk radio. We will be the morning drive show, on from 7 to 9 am weekdays eastern time!

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Paul: News #1 – Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein said he is developing an anti-gun movie with actress Meryl Streep. Weinstein said “I’ll make a movie that makes the National Rifle Association wish they weren’t alive.”  Texas Senator Ted Cruz said “The Hollywood liberal elites, they have their view of things,” “Left-wing propaganda films” rarely do well at the box office and Senator Cruz predicted the movie would be a flop.
My thought is that the same guy who produced ultra-violent movies like Pulp Fiction, Halloween 3 and Kill Bill is suddenly a pacifist and against common citizens having tools for self-defense. The NRA trains firearms safety councilors, “Don’t Be a Victim” instructors, and puts on Women On-Target seminars. I can smell the hypocrisy from here.

Rob: News #2 One of Bloomberg’s MAIG cronies gets sent to jail for a gun crime.  Despite impassioned pleas from family and friends of former Marcus Hook Mayor James Schiliro, a Delaware County Court judge on Monday sent him to jail. Schiliro was sentenced to 10 to 20 months for an alcohol-fueled episode last February in which he had a police car bring a former neighbor – a 20-year-old to whom he said he was attracted – to his home, made him drink wine, and refused to let him leave for 31/2 hours. During the encounter, Schiliro threatened to kill himself and fired a gun into a stack of papers. The man eventually left and later called police… Schiliro is a past member of Bloomberg’s front Mayors Against Illegal guns, also known – thanks to several members of this sort – as Illegal Mayors Against Guns. Schiliro was among 600 local lawmakers who signed a letter to Congress calling for gun-control legislation. His name was dropped from the letter and the MAIG website after his arrest in March.

Paul: News #3 The vast majority of New York county law enforcement has refused to support the New York SAFE act.   Some of the act was declared unconstitutional.  A year after the law was passed, the mandatory registration scheme lacks necessary database software in a failure too reminiscent of the Obamacare website.  Law enforcement officers said the law would do not reduce crime, but could easily trap honest gun owners.

Rob: News  #4 Ruger says it is being forced out of California for sales of its semi-automatic pistols.  “We’re being forced out of the state by the California Department of Justice,” said Ruger CEO Mike Fifer. “The DOJ insists on microstamping, which doesn’t work, and is denying you your rights to have access to these guns.”
California law enforcement agencies are exempt from these state requirements.

Paul: News #5 Very Long time listeners to the show know that I have been incensed by the “Fast and Furious” scandal that the Obama administration wants to go away. This is the DOJ and BATFE operation where guns were intentionally allowed to “walk” across the border after being sold to known straw purchasers.

Now comes word via Forbes Magazine that the whole thing may have been set from the beginning as a secret agreement between the Obama administration and the Sinaloa drug cartel. The Sinaloa would provide information on other drug gangs in return for the US government leaving them to do their business.

The Obama administration has a long history of picking winners and losers economically, now it seems that they are doing the same with terrorist drug smugglers and enemies of governments that border us as well.

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after the interviews to go over some defensive gun use stories.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob: DGU#1  In Chester PA, a robbery victim pulled a weapon on his attacker outside a Chester bar early Sunday, fatally shooting him. A 31-year-old Chester man with a history of previous arrests was armed with a handgun when he tried to rob 22-year-old Marcus Hook about 12:55 a.m.  Hook had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and exchanged fire with the robber, who carried the gun illegally. Both men were wounded and taken to a local Medical Center.  The robber was pronounced dead at the hospital, while the intended victim and successful self-defense victor was in serious condition.

DGU#2  A male suspect is in stable condition after being shot during a home invasion Saturday night in south Houston [TX], police said. According to the Houston Police Department, the suspect smashed in the front window of the Houston home with a piece of concrete just before 11 p.m.   The homeowner heard the noise and grabbed his gun. He then saw the suspect at his front door. The homeowner shot one time through the window, hitting the suspect in the stomach, police said. The suspect tried to get up and come after the homeowner, who then shot him a second time. The suspect was hit in the hand with the second shot. He was then taken to Ben Taub Hospital in serious but stable condition, police said.

DGU#3  A homeowner shot and killed an intruder in his home early Friday morning. It happened after 3 a.m. at the North-West Phoenix suburb.  The 77-year-old homeowner woke up to discover an intruder in his home. The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and fired once. The suspect, identified as 30-year-old William Thomas Mackey, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police spokesman said Mackey did not appear to be armed. One neighbor who heard the shot said she didn’t think much about it because crime has become a common occurrence in the neighborhood.  Police will forward the case to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office for review after they conclude their investigation.

DGU#4 Also in Phoenix, Arizona, a 70 year old jewelry store owner put a young robber in the hospital.  The woman in her late twenties entered the store in a northern Phoenix suburb and tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  The store owner shot the thief several times and she fled the store.  The intended victim was slightly injured while the thief is hospitalized in critical condition.

DGU#5 From The Blaze and sent in to us from multiple listeners.
An armed man entered a Orrville, Ala., Dollar General on Thursday, waved his gun in the air and threatened to kill everyone, AL.com reports. Though motive is unclear, he never got the chance to hurt anyone because a customer carrying a concealed handgun neutralized him with a deadly shot.

Dallas County Sheriff Harris Huffman Jr. told WSFA-TV that the gunman held a cashier and customer at gunpoint, forcing them toward a break room area. It was at this point that the customer reportedly drew his firearm and shot the suspect one time in the chest. The entire incident took less than five minutes, police say.  The gunman was pronounced dead on the scene.

The sheriff said the customer is not currently facing any charges over the shooting death, however, investigators are working to confirm he had a valid concealed carry permit. Open carry is legal in Alabama, but a permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Marc in Ohio
I know you guys are busy with shot show but I just had a chat with my kids about the scenario of an active shooter in their school. Maybe you can touch on this in the future.

I asked my kids what they would do if someone came to the school shooting. They answered, the school calls out a code word like “Red” (to protect their actual code I’m using “red”). They turn off the lights close the curtains and hide quietly together in a corner.

I asked them to pretend to be the shooter for a minute. Your intent is to shoot kids. Where do you find kids at a school. They said classrooms. I asked them if it’s easier to shoot a moving target or one holding still. They answered a moving target is harder to hit. Is it easier to hit 10 small targets spread out or all the targets in a small single pile. I asked them why would they hide where a bad guy would expect to find them and hold still in a large group. My kids stared at me in wonderment.

I have instructed my kids to leave the building at any cost. I think it’s better to leave and get to a phone to call the police. Running from a shooter is better than holding still. Being away from the group would be my preference.

Another thing to consider is the school isn’t going to tell the kids what’s happening. It’s going to be hard for my kids to make a judgment call that goes against the teachers.

I have had some active shooter training from the local Sheriffs office. The sheriff told us they won’t do anything other than set up a Perimeter until a swat team arrives. That could take an hour in my remote burg. I don’t want my kid hiding defenseless for an hour. Why is the first instinct a lock down? As you can see I strongly disagree on the lockdown idea in an active shooter situation.

What are your guys thoughts?
Marc from Ohio…..again.
Rob: I have an opinion.  The sheriff is 10 years behind and the huddle and pray response is no long considered best practice.  Law enforcement is now trained to immediately enter the building, and potential victims are not trained to exit immediately.

We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone app is here.

You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That’s 605- 215-1438 and operators are standing by.  Or they were before they threatened to go on strike because of low pay.

Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register at http://nighthawkcustomtraining.com/classes.html

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Polite Society Podcast. Until the Monday show…

Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 203 – Interviews from SHOT Show

We had SO MANY interview from SHOT Show that we are going to have to run them on a few shows. This is the first. Interviews from –

Alaska Magnum AR’s

Coast Lighting

Coast Knives

Crossman

Daniel Defense

Flashbang Holsters

Legacy Arms

G Products

HAVA

International Supplies

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Eposode 198 with Valinda Rowe and Jeff Knox

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Friday, January 10th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk with our guest Valina Roe about Concealed carry coming to Illinois, and Jeff Knox about the simple things we can do to make schools safer. So climb aboard.
Paul: Strap in
Rob: And hang on, episode 198 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Catch up with each participant and humorously ridicule the no-shows.
Host asks for comments before moving on.
paul went to GunUp in Sioux Falls and bought some more Glock 40 mags. I fell in love with a 30 cal Bullpup.
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Rob- Colorado Republican state Sen. Ted Harvey wants to allow school teachers and staff to seek training and then bring firearms into school with them.  Senator Harvey has a son in high school and his wife is a school teacher.  He said the latests shooting cemented his opinion.  The latest Colorado school murders were stopped in 80 seconds by an armed school resource officers and an unarmed security guard.  “I don’t want my wife and child to be sitting ducks,” Harvey said.
One student was murdered in this latest attack.  Maybe she would have been saved if staff were armed.

Paul – At the other extreme, Democrat State Senator Kevin de Leon from California says it is a public danger to let common citizens buy ammunition without a background check  and his new legislation proposes to fix that problem.
Ah..what problem is that, Senator?  Ignore that fact that most drug gangs import thousand of pounds of contraband each year.  Ignore that millions of rounds of ammunition routinely move across the border for legal purposes.  This security theater will sell in California.  Senator de Leon has a future with the TSA when he leaves office.
Oh, did I mention that you would need to pay a yearly fee to purchase ammunition in the once-golden state?

Rob- This next news story is a two-fer.  First, Bloomberg has tossed 30 thousand dollars into the Washington state campaign for gun control by backing initiative 594.  The initiative requires a background check for all firearms transfers, without exception.  We’ve discussed the legal that come up from such measures when  young people under supervision shoot a gun belonging to someone else because they are not old enough to legally own firearms.
Second, the Washington news paper, the Daily Olympian, ran an editorial blaming the NRA (who has not contributed to the campaign) but ignoring Bloombergs donations.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good opinion column.

Paul- The civil rights group Wisconsin Carry is suing the city of Madison Wisconsin over the city’s prohibition of carrying firearms on public transportation.  Quote, “We do know that people who live in high-crime neighborhoods tend to be lower income and tend to rely on mass transit, so for those people to be prohibited from carrying is really a disservice to them and puts them at greater risk.”  That sums up the bigotry of citizen disarmament.

Rob – Heading south from Wisconsin, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel decided not to appeal a federal judge’s ruling that allows gun shops in the windy city.  “The courts have been clear from the Supreme Court on down as it relates to people’s access to guns.”  The mayor asked the judge for a six month delay so he and the city council can draft regulate gun shops, but Emanuel wouldn’t specify any of the regulations he has in mind except the gun shops shouldn’t be near schools.
By my calculation, that puts the gun shops a half-mile out in Lake Michigan.

Paul – This in from the Politics-and-Guns legal department, the Second Amendment Foundation and Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs today asked the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the appeal in the challenge to New Jersey’s unconstitutional carry laws.
The petition was prepared by attorneys Alan Gura and David Jensen to resolve the court split on the right to bear arms for personal protection outside the home.  Scott Bach said, “So far the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear the issue in other cases, but this case may be different due to the extreme nature of New Jersey’s law, which effectively denies law-abiding citizens their fundamental right to self-defense outside the home.”

Rob -From our Good-Cop file, Officer Lee Smith of the Florence Alabama Police Department offers free gun safety classes to those interested in concealed carry.  Smith said the classes started seven years ago. We want to educate everyone who makes the choice to carry a firearm for defense.  We want to give them all the tools to make them safe and the community safe.”  Gun safety classes are divided into three levels offered monthly, and hundreds of residents have taken the courses.
That is proactive community policing.  Good job.

Paul- From our Bad Cop file, witnesses came forward after a Sheriff’s deputy shot 13 year old Andy Lopez of Santa Rosa, California.  The 8th grader was carrying a toy rifle when deputy Erick Gelhaus called the teenager.  The boy turned and the deputy fired eight rounds, killing the boy.  Witnesses say there was only three seconds between the deputy Gelhaus calling out to the teenager and when the deputy started shooting.
The boy’s parents filed a federal lawsuit against Gelhaus and Sonoma County seeking unspecified damages.

Rob- Russel from Kansas sent a link to us to a post from Canada’s National Firearms Association

Help needed. In aid of an Ontario Court case where the crown is taking issue with the number of firearms held by an individual (over 50), I am in urgent need of photographs of Canadian gun rooms/collections. While it is helpful if the person(s) providing such photos was willing to identify him or herself, it is not strictly necessary. The defence wants to demonstrate to the court that it is not unusual for some firearms collectors to own large numbers of firearms. If you can take a few photos of your gun room/collection to aid in this effort, please send them directly to me at: Sheldon_Clare@shaw.ca Neither the owner nor the firearms need to be identified – the point is to demonstrate that there is widespread ownership of large numbers of firearms in Canada.
The time frame is urgent as this will be in court in by January 15.
Thanks,
Sheldon Clare,
President
Canada’s National Firearms Association

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.

Seg 3 Interview with Valinda Rowe, spokesperson for Illinois Carry
Congratulations on CCW to Illinois and Gun stores to Chicago
You’ve been in this struggle for many years. How did it start?
Bring us up to date.
CCL licenses can now be applied for in Illinois, but the law is let’s just say a little less than clear. Is there an easy way to find out where someone who is able to get a CCL can and can’t do?
Cook county thought they would inconvenience gun owners, but they also inconvenience gun owners in every legislative district.
Can you talk a little bit about IGOLD, what it is and why it is more important than ever?
How can gun owners in Illinois learn about Illinois Carry?
The process of application and 16 hours of training.
$150 in application fees.
Do instructors already have their license?
How much does training cost? About $100 for concealed carry. Another $100 for the NRA basic handgun safety course.
Read more about Illinois Carry at http://www.illinoiscarry.com/

Record with Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition
Schools- walk through for the unthinkable
Is the front and back entrance to campus alarmed?
Can you secure the door?
Can you summon help?
Can you stop people from seeing into the room?
Has the staff discussed how they should respond?
Has the staff ever exorcised their plan?
If the windows are large or low set, do the windows remain a barrier after being shot?
A large and low set window is a locked door where any bullet acts as the key!
Are there video feeds so that hallways can be seen from a central office and/or remote police station?
Are there armed responders on campus?
Are there armed responders in the neighborhood?
Have the armed first responders had an annual drill on campus just like a fire drill?
See more of Jeff at http://www.firearmscoalition.org/
and at http://www.wnd.com/author/jknox/
Host asks for comments before moving on.
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The DGU last Friday in Vista California-
After talking to the restaurant owner who shot two thieves, the first news reports were inaccurate. The two thieves got out of prison in mid-December. They had already robbed two other stores at gunpoint before they entered this restaurant. The employees of the other stores were not armed. The thieves discharged their weapons in one case to make the clerk open the cash drawer. This time was different.

I met with the employees and some of the customers who were in the restaurant during the robbery. The thieves entered the rear of the restaurant through a rear door that is normally locked. They gained entry by waiting until one of the employees left and then threatened the employee at gunpoint to let them in. The thieves next confronted the owner’s wife who was in the kitchen. The tone of her voice was enough to make the owner suspicious, and he retrieved his firearm. The firearm was a 45 loaded with 8 rounds.

The owner was reluctant to shoot, and yelled for the thieves to drop their guns. They turned toward him rather than drop their weapons, so he fired. They ran. He fired again as they pointed their weapons behind them. Four of his eight rounds hit, though one was a through shot that remained on premises.

The owner did not want to be recorded. He did want to go shooting. I’ll try again when we get back from shot.

Any extra short topics or humor
Listener e-mail discussion

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Rob: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.

Paul:Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014  Registration is open.

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League

Paul, we will probably change the show name.  Any thoughts?

Paul: That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns. Until the mid-week show from SHOT…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 196 – Frank Fiamingo as Co-Host

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday Jan 5 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we have a monster news segment
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have several DGU stories, including a revisit to a recent one.
Frank: I’m Frank Jack Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, they talked me into joining this train wreck, so Climb Aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 196 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Paul: we were talking with Toby last night, and he is trying to corner the ammunition market the Omaha area. He’s busy paying the bills and working today.
Rob: I shot a handgun steel match yesterday, and finally ran some solvent through my Mosin Nagant. The gods of firearms are no longer scowling at me.
Frank- Will shoot with Bill Anderson of Chasing New Jersey on Monday.
Tom: Went to an indoor range to try out our new Christmas toys. My S. O. loves her compact 9mm. I rented a glock because I’ve never shot many of them. Shot the G-19 and G-21. Thought the G-21 is too fat for my hands. Range USA has a date night!
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Frank: Gov. Chris Christie’s administration doesn’t want to touch its anti-gun agenda in court. To distance himself, the New Jersey Governor had a county prosecutor’s defend the state’s anti-handgun law before the New Jersey Supreme Court.  If you’re not familiar with New Jersey politics, please understand that a deaf girl-scout could defend New Jersey laws in front of that State court.  A spokesman for the Republican governor, along with the Monmouth County prosecutor’s office and attorney general’s office all claim it is not unusual for a county prosecutor to defend a law before the State Supreme Court.

It is more likely that Christie does not want to call attention to the state’s restrictive gun policy because of his political ambitions for the 2016 presidential election.

Tom – Florida gun owners need to call their legislators.  Malicious prosecutors abuse Florida’s “Three Strikes Law” their 10-20-LIFE law, by using the law against Florida gun owners who threaten to use deadly force in self-defense.  The 10-20-LIFE law was intended to force prosecutors to press charges against repeat criminals.  Senator Greg Evers sponsored Florida Senate bill SB-448 to prevent malicious prosecution of Florida gun owners.  The NRA ILA asks Florida gun owners to write their legislators.  The link on Florida SB-448 is in our show notes and available at NRA ILA.

Paul – Listener Chris G  saw the picture of hundreds of Connecticut firearms owners standing in line to register their weapons and posted the picture on our facebook page.  The picture has been compared to the historic pictures of gun registration in nazi Germany.  We interviewed Kitty Worthman on our show, and she witnessed nazi gun registrations and confiscations first hand.  We include her commentary and video in our show notes.  The comparisons between Connecticut and Germany are not as far fetched as they might sound.  Over 30 thousand Connecticut firearms owners have registered their guns and magazines as required by state law.  This registration was designed to punish lawful firearms owners and will have zero effect on crime or the actions of the mentally ill.  This is what the voters of Connecticut inflicted on their fellow citizens.Gun-lines-firearm-gun-registration_1388417797521_4955477_ver1.0_640_480

Rob – Speaking of the mentally ill, President Obama wrote executive orders limiting the gun-rights of mental health patients and making the Justice Department and HHS revise regulation submiting mental health patients to the National Instant Background Check system.  There is a natural antagonism between patient confidentiality, legal due process, and prompt reporting of the dangerously mentally ill.  Congress looked at these issues and declined to act.

 Frank- A proposed Utah law defines disorderly conduct with a firearm as the firearm being outside a holster. The author of the bill, republican resentative Paul Ray said, “If someone is carrying a gun around in their hand they can be cited.”  Representative Ray sponsored similar legislation in years past.

 Tom- On a happier note from the Salt Lake City area, gun manufacturer Desert Tech refused a mufti-million dollar sale of precision rifles to Pakistan.  Company president Mike Davis declined the sale because of his concerns their weapons could be used against US troops in Afghanistan.  Most US casualties in the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda occur in the Afghan regions bordering Pakistan.  Thank you, Desert Tech.

 Paul – Detroit Police Chief James Craig said armed civilians reduce crime.  That is an amazing statement since most chiefs are appointed by politicians rather than elected by the voters.  The chief said similar things over the last several weeks during radio interviews and press conferences.  That’s good if it continues, and I hope Chief Craig isn’t told to change his mind.

 Rob- Doctor John Lott weighs in on the New York SAFE act that was recently upheld in Federal District Court.  The judge claims he upheld the law based on testimony by academic Chris Koper who claimed crime with assault weapons went down after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.  Doctor Lott cites Koper’s later research which said “we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.”  As one judge told me, you generally decide a case using your emotions and then scrape together some facts to bolster your conclusion.  A- yeap.

Frank- There is some good news on the legal front from Florida.  Several well publicized court cases from Florida questioned a firearm owner’s right to stand their ground when faced with a clear threat of great bodily harm.  A Florida Appeals court overturned a verdict and confirmed a citizen’s right to stand their ground.  The court found that the defendants had every legal right to be where they were, faced a threat, and that the lower court should have overturned the verdict against them.  Sometimes the courts get one right.

Segment 3
Tom- Illinois citizens can finally apply for concealed carry licenses.  Now, Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart complains he can not stop every citizen with a criminal record from receiving a Firearms Owners ID card and eventually a concealed carry permit.  Illinois state law clearly states the number and type of infractions that preclude a citizen from obtaining a license to carry.  Frankly it sounds like Sheriff Dart wants to write his own laws.  I wonder if he can be trusted to enforce Illinois law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the courts.

Paul- It’s cold outside, and this story is easy to understand, though it isn’t easy to explain.  Washington DC tow truck driver Corey Stoddard was attacked by Kevin Crouch in the tow impound lot.  Crouch had a firearm and pointed his pistol at Stoddard.  Stoddard ran and fell.  While on the ground, Crouch beat Stoddard on the head with his pistol.  Stoddard threw his wallet in one direction and again ran to his nearby tow truck.  Stoddard hit Crouch with the truck.. and was later charged with second degree murder.  Crouch has previous carjacking convictions along with assault and gun charges.  The DC prosecutor must show that a tow truck can outrun a pistol bullet.  I think you shouldn’t bring a handgun to a truck fight.

Rob: Concealed carry licenses increased by 6 percent in California. That is an increase of 30,000.  California is not gun-friendly, but some California counties are shall issue.  Calguns and the Second Amendment Foundation helped with their Sunshine and Compliance initiatives.  Together these organizations asked California sheriffs their criteria for granting concealed carry licenses.   Sometimes they took the sheriff to court to get that information.  Next, they reviewed the applications citizens submitted to the sheriff’s written criteria.  They held the sheriffs to their word.  Thank you, Calguns and SAF.  I’m glad to see California citizens take up the right of self-defense where they can, and wrote about it on my blog.

Frank- More Fast and Furious guns are involved in drug cartel murders.  These murders were in Mexico at the seaside resort in Pureto Peñasco in mid- December.  The guns were originally sold in the fall of 2010 to mexican smugglers with the help of the BATFE and FBI.  No federal agents have been charged and tried for their illegal activities.

Tom- From the “We told you so” file- Corporate officials at Magpul said they would leave Colorado if the state made their products illegal to own.  They said that back in May when we talked with them, and they kept their word.  Magpul makes firearms accessories including ammunition magazines.  Magpul is leaving Colorado and moving their manufacturing, distribution and shipping facilities to Cheyenne.  The corporate headquarters is headed to Texas.  I noted they have a letter of welcome from both Wyoming Governor Matt Mead and Texas Governor Rick Perry. Congratulations to our friends in Texas and Wyoming.  You deserve this win.  Yes, elections have consequences and I know a number of people who won’t apply for work in Colorado.

Frank: Under New Jersey gun control laws, children – and adults alike – could face steep penalties for illegally owning BB guns, which according to the Graves Act, makes little distinction between the childhood classic rite of passage and illegal big boy weapons like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

As reported by Fox News last month, various states across the country have different laws when it comes to airsoft or BB guns, but New Jersey by far has the strictest regulations. Violating the act, which includes mandatory registration and permits to purchase BB guns, can produce a minimum three-year jail sentence and hefty fines.

In fact, 22-year-old Idyriss Thomas was arrested in October after police received several reports of a man brandishing a firearm. As it turned out, Thomas was simply shooting a rubber ducky with an airsoft gun for target practics in the back yard of his Glassboro, New Jersey, home.

When officers responded to the calls, they determined that the airsoft gun was unlicensed. Thomas was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon.  Slingshots are illegal in NJ too.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Frank: News from NJAS.  We have to talk to the average citizen, the average voter.  We started these home and personal security seminars in different regions of NJ.  The next seminar is scheduled for March 6th in Sayerville the senior center.

We also have a Carry License Submission Project.  Police departments will tell you your application will be denied.  http://nj2as.com/EVENTS?eventId=813286&EventViewMode=EventDetails

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Paul: DGU#1 is actually an update of a DGU we covered a few episodes ago.  You may remember a story about a robber that held up a Chicago cell phone store and then assumed room temperature. It turns out that the stick up man had been released from prison only a few months ago after serving less than half of his 13 year sentence for armed robbery.  Also, the weapon he was using in the latest holdup was used in the shooting of a police officer only a few days before the robbery.

Rob: DGU #1a Is almost not a DGU, because the gun came into the house in the hands of an intruder.

Police say a South Philly homeowner turned the tables on an armed robber who broke into his house.  The intruder was armed with a shotgun and demanded drugs and money.  The homeowner fought the suspect, took away his shotgun and then beat him with it.  Police arrived promptly and took the suspect into custody. Police have not yet revealed the identities of the suspect or homeowner.  Well, that is one way to use a gun for self-defense.. and it is another example that thieves are more likely to lose their firearms than are honest citizens.  I think that’s because most honest citizens are not drug addicts.

Frank: DGU #2 comes from the Atlanta journal Constitution.  An East Point homeowner shot and killed an intruder on Tuesday morning. The homeowner was in his basement when he heard  disturbance upstairs and retrieved his firearm.  The burglar had smashed through a patio door with a shovel to enter the home.  The homeowner said the intruder approached him with the shovel raised and he fired one shot.  The burglar fled and collapsed in the front yard and was pronounced dead at the scene.  “I had to do what I had to do to protect my house and my family.  I just hate to see young men really just wasting their lives,” said the homeowner.  The homeowner said he was traumatized by the experience.

Tom: DGU#3  A homeowner shot and killed a man during an attempted break in and robbery in Maxton, North Carolina.  It appears that the home was used for illegal video poker.  Four armed robbers presented a gun and pushed their way into the home.  The homeowner shot one robber and all four fled.  The homeowner called police who found the thief, Christopher Deshon Page, dead in his car.  The other suspects were captured and charged with attempted robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery with a dangerous weapon and felonious breaking and entering.  A criminal bet his life that his gun would be the only weapon on scene.. and lost.

Paul: How can you help that distant friend who received a firearm for Christmas?  The National Shooting Sports Federation has a menu-driven list of places to shoot at wheretoshoot.org  You don’t need to live near the new shooter in order to help them.  That is wheretoshoot.org  There is also an I-phone and Android application to find a nearby range.

Let’s suggest they get a little training.. and get some ourselves.  Give the gift of training.  Some ranges offer free classes for beginners.  If you think a class is expensive, try the cost of ignorance!

Listener e-mail #1
Tom: From Kyle
Subject: New Years Resolutions – buy Milsurp
Happy New Year – Paul, Sticks, Rob, and Toby!
My new years resolution is to build a military surplus collection of guns. I started off the year by purchasing a 1945 Mosin Nagant M44 carbine and have gotten the bug for more. I already have my eye on gun number two from my local gun shop, either a Mauser 98 or a Lee Enfield.  What other great military guns should I be looking into besides of course the Springfield M1 to build my collection?  It would be great if you had a segment discussing good military guns on one of your shows.  Happy New Year, thanks again for another year of Politics and Guns!
– Kyle

Rob: Email # 2 From Marc

Tom: Email #3 from Greg.  This is a shout out to Concealment Solutions, headed out to church with the family this morning, stopped by Safeway on the way home, after we got home I was heading to let the dog out and change my shirt, only then did my wife notice that I was  carrying my 1911R1, she exclaimed, what, as soon as you walk thru the door you put your gun on. I said no, I’ve been wearing it all day, to that she said, you were not carrying it in church, to that was both mine & my son’s reply, Oh yes I was.

Great job Jason, keep up the outstanding work!!!!
Greg, Bremerton

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Paul: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.  We should get the operators a chair ‘cause we don’t pay them enough to stand up all day.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I wrote about the Magpul move from Colorado, and the increased CCW permits in California.  You know we often beat the news sources with our blogs and podcasts? The networks are so two days ago.

Frank: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen. also there is another show that is sponsored by our good friends at NJ2AS that you should check out it is the Bold Departure podcast. John, one of the co-hosts will join us on the midweek show this week.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump and I don’t want to shot with you.

Frank: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, A quick reminder that there won’t be a weekend show next weekend. We are all going to be either getting ready to go or on the way to SHOT show and so a show will be impossible. There will be several shows from SHOT next week though. That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.

Until the mid-week show..
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Frank, be strong,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 195 – Ken Kowalski and a Drunk Voicemail

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded Wednesday the 1st of January 2014. Happy new year and I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Sticks and on tonights show we have another large news segment
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have several DGU stories, so climb aboard
Ken: Strap in
Toby: And hang on,
Paul: episode 195 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Tom- An article from the Los Angeles Times, of all sources, describes a group of disabled gun owners protesting against arbitrary gun restrictions.  In states like California, Connecticut, New York or Illinois, the gun-haters banned small, light weapons that have ergonomic features.  These firearms typically trade reduced recoil for increased ammunition capacity.  That makes them fun to shoot, but it also makes them accessible, and in some cases essential for individuals with decreased strength and mobility.  Yes, magazine restrictions are a bigoted attack against the physically disabled.  Disabled Americans for Firearms Rights testified at hearings in Connecticut and has a facebook page.

Kathy Jackson calls these lightweight rifles “girl guns” or “kid guns”.  We could add “grandpa and grandma guns” to that list.

Ken- Speaking of New York, a Federal judge upheld the New York SAFE act, but threw out the 7 round restriction.  The judge ruled that bans on modern sporting rifles and magazines are constitutional because the state says the bans make us safer.  Judge, I have a bridge out on Staten Island that I can sell you if you believe that.  The judge ruled that the 7 round restriction was arbitrary and unconstitutional.

Rob- In New York City, sales of AR-15s have stopped, and New York City firearms laws that preempt state law have created over a thousand felons out of honest New York Gun owners.  I’m sorry, but we told you that elections have consequences.

 Paul-  A disarmed man is in stable condition, but one robber is dead.  This happened a few weeks ago in gun-free San Francisco, so of course the victim was unarmed.  Several 16 year olds stop the victim near the Alemany public housing complex and first demand his cell phone.  Then they demand he empty his pockets.  The victim complies, but one of the robbers pulled a gun and shoots the victim anyway.  The bullet glances off the victim’s skull and hits another robber.  Police arrive to find the wounded victim.  They also find Clifton Chatman, one of the muggers, dead on the ground.  We have two unlikely events.  One is that underage criminals got a firearm in gun-free San Francisco.  I thought that was impossible.  The second is that the victim is very lucky to have a bullet glance off his skull.

Tom- Minnesota gun owners political action committee endorsed State Senator Julianne Ortman for United States Senate.  Senator Ortman voted against gun control, and “demonstrated a strong commitment to policies that protect the rights of Minnesotans to hunt, enjoy the shooting sports, and protect their families from violent criminals.”  It sounds like she deserves our support.

 Ken- Minnesota is a middle-of-the-road state when it comes to gun-rights so Minnesota citizens have the option of going armed.  We all know that personal experience can change our opinion.  Democrat politician Mark Andrew had such an experience when he was sitting at a Starbucks in the Mall of America and had his cell phone was taken from his table.  Mister Andrew chased the thieves, and two of them gave him a severe beating with a nightstick as people in the mall looked on.

I noticed three things in this news article.   One- The thieves had cased the “gun-free” Starbucks repeatedly, so Starbucks isn’t a safe place to enjoy your coffee; .  Two- We’ve trained a generation of citizens to be good witnesses as they pull out their cell phones, but not get involved.  And three- a couple of young women with a baton can really hurt a 63 year old man.  I’m looking at the picture and it Mr Andrew was left a mess.  Don’t be that guy.

 Rob- That isn’t what happened in Dayton, Ohio.  A young man asked the owner of a laundromat for change, but then the young man then demanded the 90 year old man’s money.  The laundromat owner grabbed his concealed handgun and the thief fled.  No shots were fired.  Note that a nearby drive through restaurant owner shot a thief only a few months ago.  We’ve proved again that some thieves.. and some politicians.. are slow to learn.

 Paul- A Virginia restaurant owner gathered a list of businesses where firearms are welcome.  One restaurant offers a 15 percent discount to gun owners.  Another has Open-Carry Wednesday.  The website is 2amendment.org  A similar application for smart phones is at http://www.gunfreezoneapp.com  It’s nice that someone loves us.

Tom- Firearms are now welcome in Oregon parks after a judge on the Oregon state court of appeals ruled that a camper was correct and the US Forest Service ranger was wrong.  The camper said his rented campsite was his home, and therefore he could carry in the campsite.  The ranger cited him anyway.  The judge said “If state legislators had intended “a place of residence” to apply only to houses, apartments and other structures, they would have said so.”  Can our Oregon listeners tell us if carrying with a concealed carry permit was always allowed in state and federal parks in Oregon?

Ken- Illinois firearms instructors are now training civilians for concealed carry.  Democrat governor Pat Quinn stacked the deck against honest citizens when he hand picked former federal prosecutors, FBI agents and judges to a seven-member appeals panel.  The panel hears appeals if a citizen’s application for CCW is rejected by local law enforcement.  In theory, the panel responds to an appeal in 30 days.  It looks like the board is there to help the cops, not the applicants.  That is pretty much what I expected from the Chicago machine.

The Illinois State Police worked through the long backlog of Firearms Owner Identification Cards, so the applications now being processed were received during the last 30 days.  We’d love to hear from our Illinois listeners about their experience applying for CCW permits.

 Rob- Ohio should know better, but now an Ohio sheriff permanently bars citizens from concealed carry if they were so much as charged with a felony or violent offense.  All the other Ohio sheriffs require a conviction.  Athens County Sheriff Pat Kelly only requires that charges be brought in order to disqualify an applicant.  I see an obvious problem.  Most police officers are charged with violent offenses by the criminals they apprehend.  LEOs also have an unusually high rate of domestic violence charges. This would demand that Sheriff Kelly and his deputies be disarmed if we apply the Sheriff’s criteria evenly.  Sheriff Kelly’s is up for election in 2016.  Our listeners in Ohio are members of Buckeye firearms, aren’t you?

Paul- In great news across the US, 2013 saw the fewest number of law enforcement officers killed by gunfire in the line of duty.  The 111 officers  killed is the lowest since 1959.  The tragic toll peaked in the 1970s with the cocaine epidemic and the beginning of the war on drugs. There are several causes for this recent decrease in police fatalities.  Police wear body armor, they are better trained, they have more information before approaching a suspect.

Traffic accidents take a larger toll on law enforcement officers than do firearms, and traffic accidents were down this year as well.  I hope both trends continue in 2014.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Tom- DGU 1-  A taxicab customer bit a Nashua, New Hampshire cab driver rather than pay the cab fare. That is when the bleeding cab driver pulled his licensed firearm and held the passenger until police arrived.  The passenger was charged with assault, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. The cab company does not encourage drivers to carry, but many drivers do, particularly when working at 1AM.  Don’t bring your teeth to a gunfight.

 Ken- DGU 2- Lexington police are investigating an overnight home invasion near the University of Kentucky campus.  Victims told police they were alerted at 2:30 am when a man threw a brick through their second-floor window and climbed up to their apartment.  They say they fought with the intruder before eventually pulling out a gun, which sent the intruder running.  This is a good outcome since no shots were fired.  It doesn’t say so, but at 2AM, I’m betting alcohol or drugs were a factor.

Paul- DGU 3- Three criminals entered a small market in Bakersfield, California.  One of the thieves then displayed a gun and demanded that everyone raise their hands.  The store clerk was armed as well, and the clerk fired one shot before the thieves ran.  The wounded thief is in critical condition with a head wound at Kern Medical Center.  Two of the other criminals are in custody and a fourth is sought by police.  Potential criminals should note that it is legal to have firearms in your place of business in California.  Also, Kern County, California has a “shall” issue rather than a “may” issue policy for concealed carry applications.  Maybe you want to be a criminal somewhere else.

Rob- DGU 4- Someone posted this on our Facebook page.  Four robbers piled into a West Dallas, Texas store back in May.  What drew our attention is that the store owner shot one of the thieves and then all the thieves then fled. The store owner called the police.. who took..their time.. to respond.. as in 74 minutes.. to respond, and by the time the police arrived, the owner of Pepe’s Market and Deli had locked up his store and sent his employees home.  Thank goodness the owner had a firearm because the Dallas Police were not going to arrive any time soon to protect him and his employees. YouTube video of the News 4 video here

Paul: We have some year end stats for Politics and Guns. We grew,  and now have tree times more listeners than last year. Given that our advertising budget is the same as our the budget for our hosts and co-hosts, thank you, our listeners, for recommending the show to your friends.

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Frank Fiamingo of New Jersey Second Amendment Society will join us for the Weekend show, so let us know if you have any questions for Frank.  Contact us at Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That is 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.. sometimes.

Ken: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Tom: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the weekend show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 194 – Talking Lead and 605-215-1438

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday, the 29th of December, 2013. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we interview Zeke and Lefthand from the Talking Lead Podcast
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also have large news segment
Toby: I’m Toby. We also have many Defensive Gun Use Stories
Rob:So climb aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 194 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Catch up
Toby: My dad came out of surgery. Thank you for your prayers. Melisa bought you a computer interface for his Chronograph and a 1911 blue gun for training. He also got the Sig Sauer 1911 chambered in 22 cal. It shoots well. Also a 22 conversion for his AR. My Desert Eagle might be coming back. It is chambered in 50 action express, so might convert to 44 magnum.

Rob: I took another family shooting out in the desert.  It was my family plus a dad, his daughter aged 12, and his son age 11.  I shot another IDPA match. IDPA looks like this if you’re really good.  A friend received some threatening phone calls, so she came over for some discussion about self defense and how she could respond.  Lights, locks and cameras first.  Firearms second.

Tom:  I did not get a handgun for Christmas, but I did get a 410/22 folding rifle.  It is a backpack gun with a beautiful walnut stock.  I received a GoPro camera and electronic hearing protection along with Massad Ayoob’s book, “the truth about self-protection”.  Also received a cleverly built range bag/ back pack.  I gave my mom a security camera and my dad a pistol.  Check our facebook page for pictures of our gun gifts.

Paul: Spent Christmas on the road earning a bonus so we can go to SHOT show.  Nothing earth shattering, getting ready for SHOT show,  if it is possible I am even more excited about SHOT this year than last.  In doing research for the show ran across a leak that the new Glock is supposedly a single stack .380 that is TINY! From the pics I have seen it is only just double the size of a Zippo lighter. I am going to withhold judgement until I can shoot the thing at SHOT show, but I am not thinking I am going to be impressed.

Wondering why we aren’t getting more calls to the voicemail line, that number is 605-215-1438.  By the way the number is 605-215-1438.  Did I mention that the number is 605-215-1438?

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Rob – South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley received a 9mm handgun for Christmas, the Beretta Px4 Storm.  This caused several of the anti-gun crowd to lose bladder and bowel control when they said online that they hopes Governor Haley uses the gun to shoot one of her family members.  That passes for reasoned debate with gun haters.

Toby – A washed out Ohio lawmaker who voted against the human right of self-defense now wants to run for a seat on Ohio Supreme Court. Our listeners in Ohio should belong to the Buckeye Firearms Association and receive their e-mail updates.http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

Paul – Musician Toby Keith banned guns at his restaurant in Woodbridge, Va.  I’m sure that will play to some of the Washington DC bureaucrats living in northern Virginia, but it will probably keep some Virginia gun owners  from entering his business.  Please let us know if you’re in the area and chose to take your group to another place to eat because of Keith’s no-guns policy.

Tom – Concealed carry classes in Illinois have begun.  The laws in Illinois are going to be extremely complicated to obey.  For example, you can not carry at a large public gathering, but you could stand outside the crowd, or walk through an outdoor art exhibit as long as you did not stop.  The litigation is only beginning.

Rob – When Federal land-use-fees stopped in Josephine County, Oregon, the sheriff’s office effectively closed.  Citizens formed their own self-protection and courtesy call societies led by a retired law enforcement officer.  One commenter said they like the idea since they know the citizens will follow the law.

Toby – A reminder that we have a legal system, not a justice system.  A Pennsylvania state trooper was treated for depression seven years ago.  The trooper’s doctor cleared him to return to work.  Though he is allowed to carry a firearm on duty, the trooper is forbidden from carrying off duty, and he can’t own a firearm due to federal prohibitions due to his history of mental health treatment.  The feds refuses to return his right of self-defense.

Paul – In still gun free Chicago, one person was shot dead and seven wounded on Christmas day.  These events vary from murder to multiple drive by shootings.  Another example that more gun laws don’t reduce crime.

Tom – Connecticut gun owners waited in line to register their guns and magazines as new laws take effect in 2014.  Elections have consequences, and there are jobs in other states.

Rob – Also in Connecticut, Economist Mark Gius from Quinnipiac University published a new study titled ”An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates”.  The study determined the effect of state assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on the murder rates from 1980 to 2009.  Restrictive states had higher gun-related murder rates than other states, and assault weapons bans were ineffective.

Toby – Our third story from Connecticut, gun owners in Bridgeport protested the lenient treatment given a local police officer.  The officer shot himself in the leg while sitting at a local bagel shop.  Reports say the gun was not his service weapon.  Demonstrators say the officer should have been charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm and reckless endangerment.  “Had that been me, my permit would have been revoked, my firearms would have been seized, and I would have been arrested on the spot.”

While I’m sorry the officer was injured, but there certainly appears to be two separate firearms laws for law enforcement and for civilians.

Paul – A bill filed and ready when the Missouri Senate returns to session would require parents with students in public schools to disclose if the have firearms in their home.  This is an extension of the medical theory of gun violence which says we need to identify and quarantine gun owners.  Fortunately, the same bill proposed by the same democrat Senator did not advance in prior years. Thank you to Greg from, Bremmerton for sending this link via email.

Tom – Also sent in from listener Greg in Bremmerton, AK 47 inventor Mikhail Kalashnikov dies aged 97.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Segment 4- DGUs and Show close

Tom – DGU1- A Liberty County [TX] man says he was forced to fatally shoot his 35-year-old son after his son turned from beating his own wife to attacking him. The shooting took place at the home of the father, 67-year-old Billy Wilkey, at 723 County Road 2061, near Hardin… Authorities say that Friday afternoon, Wilkey’s son, Flint and his wife got into an argument at their home. To avoid further trouble, the wife went to the home of her father-in-law. The younger Wilkey followed. They got into another argument. Flint Wilkey left and then came back again. This time, the altercation got physical. According to witnesses, Flint hit his wife with his fist and pulled her hair. He pulled his wife outside and tried to get her into his truck. Billy Wilkey tried to stop his son from beating his wife, when he says the younger Flint turned on him. The elder Wilkey fired one shot from a 9mm handgun, which struck his son.

Rob- DGU 2- According to the Marshall County Alabama Sheriff’s Office, a homeowner caught two men stealing scrap metal from his property Friday afternoon and confronted them with his rifle. Deputies said Aaron Michael Lawson, 23, of Gurley, approached the homeowner and said he would kill him. The homeowner shot Lawson once in the groin, and deputies said Lawson and the other suspect left the scene. Lawson was arrested after having surgery at Huntsville Hospital. Deputies said they arrested the other suspect, Paul Curtis Reed, 25, of Gurley a short time after the incident

Paul- DGU 3 – Apparently, a 39 year old man forced his way at gunpoint into a home off Wren Road in Anderson county, South Carolina.  The assailant put the female homeowner in a choke hold.  The 78 year old male homeowner shot the suspect in the chest and the homeowner was shot in the stomach.  The suspect fled, but later died in at the Greenville hospital.  The homeowner is in stable condition.  A background check of the suspect revealed a criminal record including violent crimes and drugs, and that the suspect was released from prison earlier this year.

Tom- DGU 4 – An Akron man whom police said was held at gunpoint until officers arrived to make an arrest has been charged with burglary. Monte T. Harris, 24, of Bettie Street, was booked into the Summit County [OH] Jail. He was scheduled for an initial appearance Monday in Akron Municipal Court. Police said two residents were awakened about 3 a.m. Sunday when a man climbed through the kitchen window of their Akron home. The male resident then fired a shot at the suspect inside the house. The suspect ran down into the basement, where the resident held him at gunpoint until Akron police responded.

Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- Email from Marc (the winner of the 299 Days book giveaway with Prepper Press)
I won and I’m jumping for joy. I’ve truly enjoyed the series. I am currently reading book 5. I’ve also enjoyed all the podcasts Glen has been on recently. Thanks for the major win. Last time I won I paid it forward. This time I’m going to enjoy the prize. Thanks for a great show. Keep representing Americans as better gun owners than Canadians, I kid of course.
PS, Bolivar can kiss my win! Lol

Paul- Facebook message from Dan
Hey Guys
Dan here from NJ Concealment furniture. Just wanted to let you know at the Oaks gun show we had a great response to our products and we will we there again in Feb. Thanks for you help getting the business out there.
Thank Dan

Tom – Another e-mail from Marc
Guys,
It seems a customer dropped his firearm at a North Carolina restaurant.  It went off when it hit the floor. The pocket pistol doesn’t appear to be in any holster. If it was in a holster, it wasn’t a good one.  Clearly the owner was negligent in his gun handling. Was this weapon faulty? I don’t know. Was there a safety on the weapon? Was a safety engaged? Did the gun break? These are all good questions but preventable with a quality holster. This black eye falls squarely on the imbecile gun owner and unfortunately on the rest of us.

KERNERSVILLE, N.C. — Kernersville Police say they are investigating after a gun discharged inside a restaurant Friday afternoon.  Officers said they responded to Palenque Mexican Restaurant on North Main Street at 1:18 p.m. Video from the restaurant showed a man attempting to pay at the register when he dropped a handgun and it discharged.  Police told WFMY News 2 the round from the gun struck the counter at the register, then a half wall before entering the ceiling. No one was injured during the incident.  The case is still under investigation and anyone with information is asked to contact Kernersville Police December 28th 2013.
Marc From Ohio

We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air! Again that’s 605-215-1438,  605-215-1438.  Did I mention that I really want some voice mails?

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new articles you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  I posted an article about our confusion over defensive gun uses. The article asks where defensive gun use starts.  There is a difference between defensive display where you’d be arrested if the display was unwarranted, and where criminal thinks you might have a weapon and changes his mind.  I received over 170 comments, but I also had my first troll.

Also please check out the shooters club,  for $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join NRA, SAF, GOA and JPFO.  Joining two makes you a good guy, three makes you a hero, and.supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Tom: Join your local civil rights group like New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 190 – Glen Tate and Dan Ingram

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday, December 15th, 2013.  I’m Paul Lathrop.
Tom: I’m Sticks and on today’s show we talked with author and frequent guest, Glen Tate.
Rob: I’m Rob, and we also have an interview with Dan Ingram of New Jersey Concealment Furniture.
Tom: we have our usual gun news and DGUs as well, so climb aboard.
Toby: Strap in,
Paul: And hang on, episode 190 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Paul: Nothing new in Guns, but I drove my @$$ off today.
Rob: I shot an IDPA match on Saturday.  In one stage I had 18 shots in 21 seconds.  That was fun even though I had to reload twice.  I felt really slow, but finished 5th of the 18 of us shooting 1911s.  I got some good suggestions so I’ll work to get faster.
Tom: Still have a cold.  Bought a new long gun and helped a buddy buy two guns.  Helped the new owner shoot and clean his weapons. This friend is a delivery vendor who carries cash, and a restaurant owner.  He wants to concealed carry.
Toby: Working the weekends, and half way through reading 299 Days book-7. I’m listening to George Hill’s Audio Book- Uprising USA. Wearing a 1911 in a shoulder rig at work as my backup gun.  Shared the Massad Ayoob DVD with a co-worker.

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Tom: Two impossible things happened in Centennial, Colorado.  A high school student legally bought a shotgun and then brought the gun onto school grounds.  Colorado politicians told us that couldn’t happen once they passed their new gun laws.  Within seconds, an armed school resource officer had the student in his sights and the student took his own life.  If you remember, the anti-gun pundits told us that armed safety officers at school were useless and even dangerous.  The student was a committed anti-gun liberal and had a grudge against a teacher.  Two others were injured.

Toby: Also in Colorado, a judge ordered Colorado Springs police to pay $23,500 to a man they arrested for legally carrying his weapon in public. James Sorensen sued and won after he was improperly arrested at a festival in July, one day after the Aurora shooting occurred. The entire incident was caught on camera.  The officer who disarmed Sorensen told him to get a lawyer, that’s exactly what Sorensen did.  The police blamed improper training for the arrest.

Rob: And now on to Florida.  Florida’s first district court of appeals had an unusual ruling before a panel of all 15 of the district’s judges.  The judges ruled that Florida universities can not preempt state and federal law by imposing their own gun regulations on campus.  They ruled the University restricted a fundamental, constitutional right to keep and bear arms for self-defense by doing so.

Tom: Here is some more good legislation- Two Republican Ohio legislators proposed Constitutional Carry. Our listeners in Ohio should give their support.  The Ohio Association of Police Chiefs declined to take a position.  Maybe you should call your local police chief too.

Paul: A bit of bad news- In the year after the Newtown Connecticut murders, the anti-gun advocates spent over 14 million dollars on lobbying and advertising, outspending the pro-gun human-rights advocates by over seven to one.  The bad guys have Bloomberg and Hollywood.  Where are our billionaires for liberty?

Before we leave off to the interview I would like to mention that we just passed the 3 year anniversary of the murder of Brian Terry. 202- 224-3121 is the congressional switchboard.  Please ask for justice for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Also, listener Tim from Texas took an Appleseed training course with Rachel Malone.  (We interviewed Rachel in episode 183) Tim made Rifleman and is working at being an Appleseed instructor!

Hey everyone hang on, because next we have Glen Tate and Dan Ingram
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Seg 6- Dan Ingram of New Jersey Concealment Furniture

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DGU#1 Emailed from listener Guy in Indiana
Paul & the podcast gang,
I saw this story on our local news station a few nights ago.  Here is a link to the story for your DGU segment.  Thanks for all you guys do, I really enjoy the podcast.  Keep up the good work.
Guy
Rockport, IN

Police in Greenville, Kentucky identified good Samaritan who save a stabbing victim.  The incident began when Jeff Warner stabbed his wife in the neck after a custody hearing in county court.  The wife and children fled into the street.  Lance Martin, a firefighter, coal miner, and member of the National Guard, pulled his concealed weapon on Warner to prevent any more injuries.  This is a clear example of a concealed weapon holder saving lives.

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Paul: We have a book Giveaways of Brushfire Plague.  The post is on our Facebook page.  Share the post to enter the giveaway. We’re also giving away Glen Tate’s book seven in the 299 days series.

We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming – Paul screwed up.

Listener e-mail discussion
Email #1
From James about Arizona Citizens Defense League
I had to finally email in and make sure that one of the best gun rights advocacy groups get represented again in your wonderful podcast. So let me official proclaim the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AZCDL) http://www.azcdl.org, where thanks to them Arizona is now a constitutional carry state and any law abiding US citizen can legally carry a firearm without first getting permission from the State.

Email #2
From the Un-Named listener in the Russian Federation
Subject: Hello from the Russian Federation
Hey Fellas!
I wanted to say hello as a fairly recent listener to your podcast. Love the show and appreciate the gun talk.
A little background on why I am in Russia. I work for one of the largest engineering, construction and procurement contractors in the world. And our client is one of the largest companies in the world. I engineer/design oil production facilities all around the globe. I recently (August) left Iraq where I spent over 2 years. Wherever we went we were under the protection of private security companies. Mostly ex-British special forces and Para-regiment soldiers. They carried AK-47 and 74’s and CZ 9mm pistols. Body armor and Kevlar helmets, B6 armored vehicles always. In the summer the hottest I experienced was 140 Fahrenheit. Needless to say, extreme conditions.
Being ex-military myself I got to be pretty tight with security forces and we discussed firearms and shootouts at length. (to be clear, I was never involved in a firefight). Since I am a firearms enthusiast, I was curious as to what these Brits had to say about what weapons they preferred and would ask each team what they preferred. With very few exceptions, they would have preferred to carry the M4 over the AK. I think only one team leader ever said he would have preferred the AK. I found that interesting…You see Brits are not from a firearm culture and have not been raised discussing what everyone else says in better. Most had never even held a weapon until they entered military service. When pressed on a sidearm caliber, .45 ACP. 9mm is a toy, especially with ball ammo. “couldn’t stop my 90 year old grandmum with a full mag” one big fella joked.
I could write some more about being on the M-1 Abrams when I was in the Army, but I’ll save that for another day.
I would appreciate it if you would not use my name as I would not like to advertise the fact that I am away from my family. Keep up the good work!
Name redacted at the request of the listener… Minnesota boy in Russia!
PS, I have talked to dozens of ex-Iraq military about chemical weapons also. I was pretty surprised about what I heard. Not what you will hear on the TV that’s for sure!

Email #3 Greg in Bremmerton
What a waste, if he really wants safety, lift the gun restrictions!!!!!
Greg, Bremerton
Obama marks Newtown murders with a call for more gun restrictions.

Email #4 Greg in Bremmerton
N.J. is taking gun control WAY to FAR!!!!!  An unregistered BB gun can earn you a felony conviction in New Jersey.
Greg, Bremerton

Email #5
Listener Michael emails in and says
I don’t know if this helps or not but I am an iPhone user/listener. I just did a search in the apple App Store and did not find the “Politics and Guns Podcast” app.
Respectfully,
Michael C.

Paul forgot to ask for the iPhone app. Give us a few weeks.
Contact us at Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.
The Roadgunner mag 40 class in Conway (sorry Chaz), Arkansas at Shoot House USA May 15th thru 19th 2014  Registration is not open yet.  It will sell out quickly.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote an article called Sandy Hook and the Body Count of Gun Control  Some friends of mine were murdered and raped because they couldn’t defend themselves.  I thought we needed to remember their story as well as the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School.  The media is interested in selling advertisement, not a serious discussion.
The article is on my blog and at ClashDaily where I’m now a regular contributor.

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Join NRA, SAF, GOA and JPFO.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, and Michigan Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. Arizona citizens defense league, Texas State Rifle Association.

Maybe there are others that have not e-mailed us.  In that case send us a letter if you’re a Houston Texans or Washington Redskins fan, and you have my sympathy for being afraid to turn on your computer because you might see their scores. Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul: we are now proud affiliates of the Shooters Club! Bob Mayne will be on on the mid-week show to help explain the benefits. Until then please check out http://www.shootersclubmembers.com/politicsandguns/

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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