Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.
John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.
Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong. LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez. Ramirez was wanted for parole violations. Ramirez saw the deputies and fled. He also shot at them. He fled through a stranger’s home. When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies. The father of eight died at the scene. This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.
John- This law enforcement officer gets it. The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime. He asked residents to arm themselves.
Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime. Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”
Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.
Paul – A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall. One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman. City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”
Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior. If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.
John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR? I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened. The man was a political protester, and a doctor. Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it–
“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law. I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.
“I am a political activist. My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.
“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.
“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone. At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15’s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners. That is all I have to say.”
Rob- I thought the guy was a nut. I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.
John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.
Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry. They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership. The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.
48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.
John- No rifles? This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.
John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”
Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists. An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois. National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents. The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest. After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.
Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy. We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups. An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.” If not you, then who? If not now, then when?
Welcome to being an activist, Brother.
Rob- This is why I’m an activist. 20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.
Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego. Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark. Now she confines herself to her dorm. She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.
John- The stalker is 67 years old.
John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales. With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.
Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.
John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.
Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”
Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.
John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.
John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
Segment 3 Interviews
John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com NFA lawyer. Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?
Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy. Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.
Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition. What is going on in California anti-gun legislation? AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580
How do we find out more? www.demandrights.org
Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen. Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio. Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture. Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.
Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.
Segment 4 DGUs
Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again. A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired. Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties. The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home. The intruder fought with the homeowner. Fortunately, the homeowner was armed. She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled. Police found him in a near by trailer park. He was captured and is awaiting charges.
One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”
Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door. The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered. As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand. The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg. Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured. Evans died at the scene. Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.
John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son. The homeowner met them and they argued. One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it. The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant. The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound. They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital. Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.
Rob- Who is going to say it?
Paul- I will. Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint. The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg. All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner. None of the customers or store employees were hurt.
Rob Comments- more than one assailant. bad shot placement. we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.
Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers. They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut. One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle. While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself. The police rushed to the second store. An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.
John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
Tips and tricks
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Email from TJ:
You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.
In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?
Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.
Thank you Paul,
Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.
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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.