Episode 404 – Greg Hopkins, Kevin Sona, and Philip Journey

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Interview 1 Greg Hopkins Part 1

3- Interview 2 Greg Hopkins Part 2

4- Interview 3 Kevin Sona

5- Interview 4 Judge Phillip Journey

6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close pt1

7- Email Pt2

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, March 7th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Greg Hopkins about the death penalty

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Kevin Sona about a new Facebook Group and some things happening with Florida Carry

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and one of our emailers thinks that Rob is all that AND a bag of chips! So climb aboard!

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 404 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob-  I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program last Friday.  We set up that interview as I was on the road from a 10 day road trip.  I got to post an article written by Shayna Lopez-Rivas.  She was raped on a Florida College campus and she is tired of being disarmed.  Republicans, take note.  Next week I go to the Rangemaster Tactical Training conference in Little Rock.  Just when I finally got a few episodes of self-defense gun stories.


John – I attended the Winston-Salem gun show last weekend and will be working the Grass Roots NC booth this weekend at the Asheville Gun Show. I talked to the volunteers at the GRNC booth in Winston and they were having a very successful show getting new members and email alert signups. Just because we avoided gun-magedon by electing Trump, we will still have to fight hard for our rights. Even with supposedly pro-gun Republicans in charge in Congress and many state legislatures, even they can be obstacles as Paul well knows in South Dakota. I may be taking the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor course in about 3 weeks. Should I?


Rob- What is with your attorney General in North Carolina?  Yes, take the basic pistol instructor course.

Gary- Ammo order, Constitutional Carry



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Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Interview with Greg Hopkins



2- Interview 1 Greg Hopkins Part 1


3- Interview 2 Greg Hopkins Part 2


4- Interview 3 Kevin Sona


5- Interview 4 Judge Phillip Journey


6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Voice mail about tire thumpers




Text message #1


Bless y’all’s hearts! 😂

I’d like Gary to confirm or deny the magazine capacity limit in Illinois and let us know if that applies to travelers please!





Text Message #2


Hey guys, I just couldn’t sit back and let lefse be slandered as it was, I think it is being confused with something else. Lefse is made from potatoes, flour, cream, butter and sugar, rolled out like a tortilla and cooked on a griddle. Spread with butter and sprinkle with sugar

Absolutely terrific! Lutefisk on the other had deserves every bad word spoken of it! Love the podcast guys, keep up the great work! Bryan from NW Minnesota.



Email from Clayton


Just wanted to say thank you to Rob for everything he brings to the table. Rob single handedly shuts down 90% of my potential feedback because he thinks almost exactly the way I do and asks almost every question I want asked and reminds everyone of perspectives I would have written in to remind them of. I’m a big fan of the podcast Self Defense Gun Stories. You’re doing a great job.
-actual Clayton


Paul: Rob, I think that you owe Clayton $20




Email from Bill Clinton (no not really)


Hello Everybody –

Please keep me anonymous, thanks.

Just finished listening to the 400th episode, outstanding episode!!  that was very cool, …live radio, Mas, and Gail Pepin outstanding…

Your podcast usually gets me home on my commute and ends as I pull in the drive way.

The episode was a little longer, so I ended up sitting in my car, in the garage, and listened while the show finished up.

Thanks for answering my question on MAG40 ….I will be attending class in October.

So, here’s my topic for discussion or suggestion for your listeners.

I am not a Constitution scholar or lawyer, I am just an ordinary guy, but I generally understand what the Second Amendment is all about.

During the Presidential campaign, Hillary almost convulsed when she was asked, or spoke about the “Heller Decision.”

So, I decided to do something I have never done…. I read the Supreme Court decision…the District of Columbia v Heller.

Wow!! Now I understand why Hillary became so unglued at the very mention of the Heller Decision.

It probably wasn’t the Court’s finding in favor of Heller; DC’s prohibition of the gun registration, and the required rendering of the gun as inoperable for self-defense while in Heller’s home, seemed far reaching.

Justice Scalia took the opportunity to skillfully lay down the legal precedent for others to use.

Justice Scalia articulated the right is afforded to the individual, as in the singular human being….

and the scope of the right as intended by the Founders of the Second Amendment.

The Justice even dissected, with historical reference, what is meant by “bear” when used with “keep and bear arms.”

Ya… there were sentences/paragraphs, I read three and four times that were packed with “legalese” and legal citations which were difficult to understand.

But that shouldn’t preclude anybody, or intimidate anybody from reading the Court’s decision…both sides of the argument.

There are some real “Scalia-gems” in this document that will equip you to rebut the most ardent opponent to the individual right.

I recommend reading Heller for your listeners, if nothing else it is a terrific American history lesson.

Keep up the good work, I love the show

        On to Miller and McDonald….






A Doctor talks POGO


>From the time I got involved with DRGO and introduced to your podcast by Dr. John Edeen, I have tried to listen as much as possible.  Especially since this past GRPC. I get great information from your shows and always enjoy everyone’s point of view.  

I want to thank Susan for referrring her primary care physician to DRGO, keep up the good work.


I really love the POGO as a general rule, but as rules go there are always exceptions.   Many times when I get up I don’t get dressed right away, (I’m not too much of a minority here am I?).  I put on my robe, eat breakfast, read, study, pray etc then get ready, and not much before I’m out the door, I put my pants on.  You have had some DGU’s where it sounded like the the person had to “get their gun” and luckily were able to do so.  Not a good idea.  So I have two ways I keep my gun on at these times even though I don’t actually have my pants on.  1) I wear a Galco under wraps belly band most days so I can put that on under my robe and still be armed.  2) sometimes I simply put my EDC in my robe pocket.  I recognize this isn’t very secure or safe so I have been looking for a pocket holster.  I think the DeSantis super fly would fit well.  Do any of you have any experience with this type of pocket holster?  Any other ideas?


Just finished listening to episode 401, btw congrats on the first 400.  I have one comment for Michael and the arsenal he likes to carry around.  One of you mentioned maybe he should carry a backpack with an AR with a foldable stock.  I have another idea, he could carry a murse or backpack with a KelTec sub 2000.  I just received one for my birthday and I love it.  The greatest part is it folds in half!  Making it only 16.25″ long when folded and very quick to unfold and use as a backup in those critical situations where you need one more backup. There is even a version that accepts glock mags which could be interchangeable with the glock he carries.


Thanks for all you do and thanks for mentioning that some of you are already signed up for GRPC this year, I’ll get my registration in today.

Looking forward to seeing all of you at GRPC this year,

Dr. Sean Brodale

From Iowa




Good day PS,


Awesome, Awesome show. A wealth of information and entertaining at the same time.


Just a quick background, I live in the not so great state of Connecticut. Even though we are a “shall” issue state, each town has its own set of rules (no county governments in CT) before you can get your state Pistol Permit. Connecticut does not have a “conceal carry” permit/license because it is an open carry state, even though it’s somewhat discouraged. We also have the ridiculous law of limited capacity magazines (10rd) on top of the “assault weapons ban”. Now there is an attempt to raise the Permit fees on top of everything else. Enough of that – for now.


You, the team, have said to reach out to our representatives – on all levels. Being in a somewhat backward state; we have somewhat backwards representation at ALL levels of government. Seeing most of you have dealing with these types of issues (reciprocity, hearing protection, etc.) in the past; how does one draft a letter telling an uninformed, closed-minded individual that they should vote for the wishes of the constituents? I am not much for being overly polite or have the patients when telling someone that they are there to represent me and the others of their “district”. It’s not their personal soap box. I was wondering if you may have a template/example that can be tweaked to fit the individual, position and issue. (You can place it in the show notes and/or on the website.)




Torrington, CT


Rob- Call, one one issue.  



Hi everyone!

This one is for Rob, but all information is welcome! Please chime in.

My beloved girlfriend has convinced me to move to California with her for nine months during her senior year of college. I currently live in a state with no restrictions on types of firearms we can own. I find myself realizing, I don’t think I own a single gun that California would allow me to bring there! Free American style AR’s, “high capacity” shotgun, pistols without thumb safeties or loaded chamber indicators, “high capacity” pistols.. etc. Perhaps my Henry AR7 survival rifle would be allowed? Yawn!
What kind of guns would be best suited for my home defense? I’d like to stay in 9mm but am considering something powerful like 10mm since capacity is ridiculously limited there.

I’m assuming I won’t be able to acquire a permit to carry, especially since I won’t live there long enough to be considered a resident. Nine months?

Thanks in advance for the advice!

Lots of love, Anonymous.



Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Shayna Lopez Rivas wrote an article and I got to repost it on my blog- “It’s RINO Season and it’s Time to go Hunting: An Open Letter to the Florida Republican Party”


As I mentioned earlier in the show, Shyna was sexually assaulted on campus.. Twice.  The republican have not held hearing necessary to advance pro-gun legislation.. Including concealed carry on campus.


I also wrote about carrying on college campus- What College Professors Say and What They Really Do  You see, tolerance on campus stops when academics have to be tolerant.  Liberal professors don’t like guns, so other people shouldn’t be allowed to have them.  The problem isn’t that students with carry permits are drunk on campus.  The “gun-free zone” on campus is about school administrators who are drunk on power.


My posts are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


We found out late on Friday that the Trump Administration won’t be fighting the District Court win regarding carrying of firearms on Corps of Engineers lakes and campgrounds in Idaho. They filed a petition with the 9th Cir. Ct. of Appeals saying they were looking to codify the ruling in the District Court. They have entered into an agreement to go into mediation while the Army reconsiders the policy in question. The USACE administers about 33% of the waters open to freshwater fishing in the US. This has the potential to be a big regulatory win for the right to self-defense.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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