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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday the 16th of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we note with sadness the passing of Anita Ingrao.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Michigan home invader found that crime can be deadly.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Joe Chetwood for the ask the gun doc segment
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster Cooking and Food Packaging for Preppers.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 285 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – Truck drivers and grades. Thank you to Greg in Bremerton for making me aware of a YouTube video, although I need some of Gary’s blood pressure medicine now.
John – I did some more practice with my SIRT pistol and took some of Rob’s suggestions. Other than that, just work, blogging, and family stuff.
Rob- Lots of overtime at work. A little dry practice at home. I need to order some new gun parts.
Seg 2- News
-It is with sadness that we report the passing of Anita Ingrao on Thursday from breast cancer. Anita was a producer, along with her fiancee Kris Koenig, of the 2nd Amendment documentary film “Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire.” The memorial service will be held for her on Monday in Chico, California. We knew Anita from her work in the right of self-defense. She also loved the stars. She and Kris produced a film “400 Years of the Telescope”, and together, they ran observatories. Contributions are suggested in lieu of flowers to the Anita Ingrao Memorial Fund at the North Valley Community Foundation to benefit the Chico Community Observatory. www.nvcf.org
–The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission turned down a proposal to ban lead-based ammunition. By a 5-1 vote, the Commission members rejected a petition presented by Paula Brown. Brown is a part-time raptor rehabilitator. She collected the signatures of 53 residents and four letters of support calling for the prohibition. There is no science that links lead ammunition with environmental lead poisoning in either animals or humans.
-What if they passed a gun law, and nobody obeyed it? Washington gun owners plan a rally to defy the newly passed initiative 594. The new law makes it illegal to hand a gun to a friend. They are hoping for 5500 gun owners to break the law.. peacefully. The civil disobedience protest is scheduled for December 13 at the capitol in Olympia, Washington. Spokesmen for the Washington State police said the protesters would not be charged with violating I594, but asked them to stay safe and follow the firearms safety rules.
–Colt Defense is reported to be in severe financial trouble. A $10.9 million interest payment is due on Monday may be missed. If they still can’t pay the interest due by mid-December they will be in default on their $248 million bond. Bond holders could then demand immediate payment of the total debt. According to filings with the SEC, they are blaming their “liquidity problem” on a decline in demand for the Modern Sporting Rifles and handguns. Colt Defense is the parent company of Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Colt Canada.
-Captain Jack McCauley had a good career in the Maryland State Police. He was often promoted and moved to demanding positions. Then something changed for Jack. I think he lost his faith in Maryland law enforcement. According to his affidavit from this spring’s court case, McCauley was asked a question while testifying before the Maryland House. During testimony in the State House Judiciary subcommittee, McCauley was asked to testify if the newly enacted firearms ban would reduce crime in Maryland. Quote “As I began to respond, I was commanded by Shanetta Paskel, the Deputy Legislative Officer for the Office of Governor Martin O’Malley, not to answer the delegate’s question.” The trooper said he acquiesced to her request because he believed she was his superior in the administration. Had he been allowed to answer, he would have told the delegate that the banned firearms are almost never used in crimes, that the anti-rights laws would have no effect on mass shootings since stricter mental health protections were far more effective. Now he says “My goal is to educate the public, because the mainstream media and the governor’s office are intentionally lying to people,”
After the hearing, Ms. Paskel explained why she ordered McCauley not to answer. The testimony “was not about policy; it is just [about] votes.”
-There is more news about Maryland assault on civilian long guns. 21 State Attorneys General filed an amicus brief opposing Maryland’s gun ban. The brief was filed in the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Kolbe v. O’Malley. The States Attorneys said Maryland’s Firearm Safety Act violates citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms by imposing a ban on the possession of commonly-used weapons. They also said Maryland law must be subject to strict scrutiny because its restrictions extend to possession of a protected weapon by a law-abiding citizen for self-defense in the home.
-The Ohio Senate had hearings this week on several bills to change the state’s gun laws. One bill provides legal protections for residents defending themselves during violent attacks.
It would rescind Ohio’s law which requires a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense. The bill’s sponsor said, Quote “The bill would allow a lawful carrier of a firearm to defend themselves so long as the person is assaulted in a place where he or she has the right to be. A person facing a life threatening situation should not have a duty to flee and hope for the best; they should have the right to protect themselves and protect their loved ones.” The bill would also reduce the mandatory safety training from 12 hours down to four hours to get a concealed carry license. It allows people serving in the military to retain their concealed carry licenses and accommodate out-of-state firearms purchases. It also requires Ohio to recognize concealed handgun licenses issued by states that recognize Ohio’s license holders.
-Anti-rights politicians are off the chain in Missouri. State House Democrats introduced an anti-gun bill which would turn gun owners into criminals by banning semi-automatic firearms. Quote, “Any person who was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.
This is forced civilian disarmament.
-Elections have consequences. After this last election, the NRA publicly said there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senate majority leader Harry Reid in 2016. The NRA refused to endorse Reid in 2010. Reid’s push for gun control since his last election has made endorsement impossible. Quote “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.” Nevada firearms owners supported Reid’s opponent, Sharron Angle, in 2010, but the NRA never got onboard. Some insiders felt the NRA favored Senator Reid in order to keep Chuck Schumer from replacing him as Majority Leader in the Senate.
-Maybe this is news about news, but Jeff Knox posted an article at World Net Daily. Jeff talks about injured veterans being denied their right to own a gun because of their injuries. I don’t mean one or two veterans. More than 100,000 vets lost their second amendment rights because of their VA classification. Jeff noticed that US Representative Gabby Giffords has not been forcibly disarmed after her traumatic brain injury. There are clearly two sets of rules at play. One set of rules is for the politically favored and another set of rules is for the people who have to pay their own legal bills. We’ll have Jeff on the Wednesday show to talk about his article.
-Jeff Knox is from Arizona, and so is this next story. We covered the brutal murder of a real estate agent in Arkansas. The agent was targeted because she was a woman who often worked alone. That prompted many real estate agents to apply for their carry licence. This particular group of Keller Williams agents consists mostly of women, and they spent a day at the range rather than opening front doors and talking about closet space. Jenny McCall sells houses in Tempe, Arizona. “This particular house is vacant which would be something that somebody who wanted to hurt somebody would definitely look for.” The more expensive, vacant homes in particular can attract criminals. The agents try and double up for some calls, but that’s not always possible. Now they carry concealed and spend a day at the range to brush up on their skills.
Quote, “Because we deal with such a wide variety of real estate from the high-end stuff.. all the way down to the very lowest of low.. we never know what we’re walking into,” said Kevin Craig. Some ranges in Tempe now offer monthly self-defense courses for realtors.
-A gun owner is suing the Atlanta Botanical Gardens after he was escorted off the property because he was openly carrying a permitted gun. Phillip Evans and GeorgiaCarry are bringing the lawsuit. The Botanical Gardens allow “no weapons except as permitted by law.” Since open carry by licensed firearms owners is legal in Georgia, Evans visited the gardens while armed. Evans wasn’t questioned about his holstered firearm in October. Evans came back to the gardens a week later with his wife and two children, again openly wearing his gun in a holster. This time the management of the Botanical Gardens told him he could not have his gun with him. The police were called and Evans was escorted to his car. The Botanical Gardens is a private organization and it operates on 30 acres it leases from the city of Atlanta. The private organization can not deny citizens the right to tools of self-defense on the public property they use.
-Sometimes it takes a lawsuit to make the police follow the law. A legal resident tried to get a carry permit in Boston. The police told him he must provide either a US birth certificate or naturalization papers. Phuong Ngo, and the group Commonwealth Second Amendment, sued the Boston police department. The city folded. Now the Boston Police accept passports from legal residents as documentation in the concealed carry application process. Thank you Mr. Ngo and Commonwealth Second Amendment.
-We love it when a police department promotes real firearms safety. The Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office, in Louisiana made us smile. Registration is open for their “first gun” class intended for children from 8 to 12 years of age. The four-hour class is offered in early December and early January. The course provides basic instruction for children who may never have fired a gun but want to be able to use one safely. It’s also recommended for kids who will receive a new BB gun, shotgun, or hunting rifle for Christmas. The Sheriff’s training academy will provide firearms if the children don’t have any. Children are welcome to bring their own firearms like BB guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles, and small caliber shotguns, but not high-powered rifles. BBs and 22 ammunition will be supplied. All children will shoot at both fixed targets and skeet. The class is free.
-A North Carolina gun shop ran an ad on Facebook. The advertisement read- “Shop Online and choose from the area’s largest selection of safes and vaults… on sale now through November 15!” The ad was taken down by Facebook almost immediately. Facebook said ads cannot indirectly link back to pages where guns can be purchased. “The decision is final. Please consider this the end of our correspondence about your ad.”
–The Canadian Supreme Court ruled last week that airguns are to be considered firearms for all purposes in the Canadian criminal code except for registration and licensing. Thus, airguns will be subject to the same criminal code provisions dealing with careless storage of firearms. Moreover, provisions dealing with concealed firearms will now apply to airguns. This means if you put your airgun in a pocket or backpack you will be violating the law. Canada’s National Firearms Association says they will be seeking a legislative remedy to the problems caused by this ruling.
-The opposite is happening in Michigan. Michigan lawmakers passed legislation loosening regulations on BB and pellet guns. The legislation excludes guns that propel a projectile by gas, spring or air from Michigan’s firearm regulations. Another bill would repeal a law making it a misdemeanor for a minor to possess a BB gun unless accompanied by an adult. The Michigan Senate passed a bill to prohibit local governments from regulating ownership of paintball and BB guns. Municipalities could limit their use to authorized locations or on private property.
-You might remember our story about a one room school house in Colorado that raffled off a rifle to raise money for new playground equipment. The library in Breckenridge, Texas is raffling off a limited edition rifle to raise money. Tickets for the rifle can be obtained at the library for a $5 donation or five tickets for a $20 donation. They want more computers for the library. The rifle was made by the Bold Ideas facility, located in Breckenridge. The drawing for the winner is scheduled for noon on Monday, Dec. 1.
-Speaking of books, the Christmas season is coming. We interviewed authors Brian Aitken and Jae Wells, so please remember them if you give books this Christmas. We use information provided by author Stephen Wenger in every podcast. We recommend his book, Defensive Use of Firearms. A great gift for any shooter is The Cornered Cat: A Womans Guide to Concealed Carry By frequent guest Kathy Jackson. The links are in our show notes.
One of our regular email contributors Ken from Arizona sent in our gun quote, it comes from Winston Churchill
“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews
George Hill and Joe Chetwood
Joe, the gun doc
Can I re-bore my 22 without customized and expensive machine tools?
Why won’t my Mosin extract a fired case?
The chamber ID is either fouled or pitted. If cleaning doesn’t work, then hang up the gun or rebarrel it.
Where can I find parts for my Savage 99?
Numrich. and use the web.
Does Mosberg make a long rifled barrel for their 12 Ga?
Taurus won’t cock the trigger every time.
Could be many things. If cleaning doesn’t work, then bring it to a gunsmith. Try Tetragon-action blaster to clean the action.
Segment 4 DGUs
-A man broke into an indianapolis house at 2 in the morning. The house had been broken into a day earlier, but this time the owner was home.. and the homeowner was armed. Homeowner Howard Murphy shot 39 year old Kocho Long when the intruder moved to attack him. Long was shot in the leg and caught by police a block away. Long was transported to Eskenazi Hospital and remains in stable condition.
-A Milwaukee woman was attacked in the afternoon and only a few blocks from a local police station. Even though the police were nearby, they were still too far away to help her. She helped herself. A robber approached the 36 year old woman and demanded her purse and valuables. The robber drew a gun, and so did the intended victim. She fired several times, but apparently missed. The police were looking for the man who ran from the crime scene.
–Menominee County in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was the scene of a home invasion on Monday. At 5am, as three young men broke in by a garage door, the 62-yo homeowner called 9-1-1. As the home invaders came in the house, the homeowner fired multiple times at them. Hayden Gagnon, 19, died at the scene. Police found his compatriots, Thomas Hartman and Matthew Franjose, after a search of the nearby woods. They both have been charged with 1st degree home invasion. The Menominee Co Sheriff said “the homeowner defended himself and his home”. While no charges are pending against the homeowner, the local DA says he plans to review the case to make sure the shooting was justified.
-You remember when the Bloomberg group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America said you don’t need a gun to go shopping. Well, sometimes you do. Daniel McHugh is 48 years old. He had just walked out of a Kroger supermarket in Atlanta Georgia and got into his car. That is when two men opened the driver side door and shot him. Bystanders put pressure on the gunshot wound to his stomach by the time police and medical personnel arrived. Now McHugh is fighting for his life at Grady Memorial Hospital. He remains in critical condition.
Criminals break the law for a living. Criminals do not obey gun laws, just as, in this case, they refuse to obey laws against armed robbery, car theft, possession of a stolen handgun, and attempted murder.
We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
Tips and tricks
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote about texas gun laws. Texas denies the right of self-defense in many hospitals and churches. They also treat some gun owners as guilty until proven innocent. I want Texas to do better, and you know how texans get if you say Texas isn’t perfect.. yet.
Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?
I did a couple of posts this week on Washington State’s I-594 and what to expect next. The first post dealt with the ultimate intentions of Bloomberg and his ilk. A post from Reddit makes the argument with which I agree that it is to kill the gun culture. My second post looked at the factors that made Washington State and now Nevada targets for universal background check initiatives. I ranked the states by those factors. The other states to keep an eye on are Arizona and Oregon thanks to the number of in-migrants from California.
Gary- NRA founded Tomorrow November 17, 1871
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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