“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 19, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Jeff Knox and Carl Chinn.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about background check statistics from Oregon, so climb aboard.
Rob, strap in
Rachel and hang on! Episode 286 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I went to a county gun chapter meeting for Gun Owners of California last night. That was here in San Diego, County. Rachel, I talked about you. I want my worst to be good enough. I had a TV interview about California concealed carry. That was an hour ago. Does that count? I’m getting a group of friends together to shoot Saturday.
John-My news is boring. I’ve been busy with work so haven’t been able to do any gun-related stuff. That and it is frigid cold here in North Carolina. It was 14 deg. here this morning.
Rachel- In spite of the cold weather, I truly enjoyed the Battle Road pistol course that my friends Mark and Mike taught for my group of friends. Seven of us spent two days at the Battle Road range training together, and it was time well spent. It’s been too long since I actually attended a full pistol course, and it was very good to devote concentrated time to personal improvement.
Seg 2- News
The 16 gun stores in Los Angeles would be required to digitally report ammunition sale records to the city under a proposed ordinance backed Friday by the Los Angeles City Council’s Public Safety Committee. The rationale behind the ordinance is that it takes police too long to have to comb through the paper records that are now required. LAPD says it has completed a pilot electronic reporting program at gun shops in the San Fernando Valley, and are ready to take the system citywide. If approved by the full City Council, the measure would make it a misdemeanor crime when ammunition retailers fail to comply with the reporting requirements. http://mynewsla.com/government/2014/11/14/proposed-ordinance-says-gun-stores-digitally-required-report-sales/
-We now have the statistics from the Oregon State Police. They released the data on their background check system for firearms. You can see for yourself that the public isn’t safer after this monumental effort. The state police processed 19,901 background checks in October.
Not one of them was arrested because they were a felon or otherwise prohibited from buying a firearm. Five were arrested, but we don’t know why. Eight people were denied for reasons of “mental health” but, as we have seen in the past, sometimes the police have no idea why these people have mental health holds. None of the eight were taken into custody. Not a one.
36 of the denials resulted in “Investigation Complete, No Action.” So almost 20% of the denials were clearly against people who should not have been denied in the first place.
196 sales were “denied.” Remember, these are the background checks that the anti-rights groups claim will save us from all evil.
-Continuing on with Oregon, it appears that Gov. John Kitzhaber and the Democratic majority in the Oregon House and Senate are going to make another run at universal background checks. Sen. Ginny Burdick (D-Portland) says that “We have a working majority for background checks.” Currently, Oregon requires background checks for sales by a gun dealer or at a gun show. It is unclear if the as of yet unwritten legislation will just cover sales or will include transfers. The effort for background checks fell short in the last session of the Oregon legislature.
-I’m sorry, but the stupid runs deep.. in England. The Lancashire Constabulary is promoting the ‘Save a Life, Surrender Your Knife’ campaign. Lancashire officers have now given their backing to a national initiative designed to raise awareness of knife crime and encourage the surrender of dangerous weapons. http://www.lancashire.police.uk/about-us/news/save-a-life–surrender-your-knife
-The ten worst anti-knife cities stand out for their outright persecution of honest knife owners and extraordinarily restrictive anti-knife ordinances, far more severe than even the state laws in those areas. All too often this results in unwary citizens being subject to arrest and prosecution, and loss of their knives, for having a knife that is perfectly legal elsewhere in the state.
- New York, NY (majority of pocketknives will result in arrest, aggressive persecution of
knife owners, over 60,000 to date)
- Philadelphia, PA (all knives are illegal to carry except when actually in use on the job)
- Ocean City, MD (many common pocketknives are illegal, Catch 22 traps many citizens)
- San Antonio, TX (all locking-blade pocketknives knives are illegal to carry except on the job)
- Rocky River, OH (2.5-inch blade limit)
- Boston, MA (2.5-inch blade carry limit, including in any vehicle)
- Cleveland, OH (2.5-inch blade carry limit, registration of any sale or gift of a longer bladed knife)
- Chicago, IL (2.5-inch blade concealed carry limit, 2-inch blade limit for 18 and under, but
minor cannot legally obtain any knife)
- Corpus Christi, TX (illegal to carry any fixed blade knife or a folder with a blade longer than
3-inches except when actually in use on the job)
- Aspen, CO (Any concealed knife is illegal to carry in public)
More details on each of the 10 worst cities’ knife restrictions can be found at: www.KnifeRights.org/10WorstBest2014
-Continuing on with stupid, the fallout from Washington State’s I-594 continues. The Lynden Pioneer Museum of Bellingham is returning 11 World War 2 era rifles to their owners because they would be in violation of the new law if they hadn’t performed background checks on the transfer. The firearms were part of the museum’s display entitled, “Over the Beach – The WWII Pacific Theater.”
– We discussed the layoffs at the Remington Arms factory in Ilion, New York last week. The New York Daily News is reporting that Remington CEO George Kollitides told New York officials in a recent letter that one of the major reasons that they expanded in Huntsville, Alabama was because of “state policies affecting use of our product.” – in other words, because of the New York SAFE Act which forbids the sales of AR-15s made at the Ilion plant in New York State. The Cuomo administration denies the SAFE Act had any impact saying that Remington is consolidating operations from around the country in Alabama.
-This is a story of what not to do. Colorado Springs police responded to a 9-1-1 call reporting shots fired in a home. They arrived to find three people in the basement of the house. Two were taking turns shooting at glass bottles while the third watched. Christian Clark, 28, and Codie Leslie, 23 were arrested and charged with prohibited use of weapons and reckless endangerment. Police say they had also been drinking.
John – comment – I always thought a basement shooting range would be the coolest thing to have in a house but I wouldn’t be drinking and shooting glass bottles if I had one!
–Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper said he’s willing to talk about the possibility of teachers carrying guns in Colorado schools. “I’m certainly open to that discussion,” he said during an interview with CBS4. “The ability of people to defend themselves in a world that increasingly looks chaotic (is important). There is not a parent in this state that doesn’t want to make sure we’re doing everything possible to make their kid safe.” This is somewhat surprising given the amount of money he has taken from Bloomberg to sign gun-control laws in 2013 that limited the capacity of magazines and expanded background checks for firearm purchases. Those two pieces of legislation – and the fallout from them – almost cost Hickenlooper his re-election.
-We had John Pierce on to talk about the new constitutional amendment in Alabama. Here is a related story out of Louisiana. Brandon LeBlanc is a human rights advocate and I salute him. Brandon is taking aim at the Abbeville, Louisiana ordinance that forbids carrying any weapon. In particular, Mr. DeBlanc is fighting Abbeville’s anti-gun ordinance.
Because Louisiana is an open carry state and has strict scrutiny review of self-defense, Brandon open carries and started a petition protesting the city’s ordinance. Since then, he has gone to the mayor’s office to try to get the issue on the city council’s agenda. “The response was, it’s going to take more than once person’s demand for it to removed for us to anything about it,” LeBlanc said.
Typically someone has to be arrested before the law will change. If it does go to court because they want to make a test case, then they would claim that they are, that it’s protected behavior under the Louisiana Constitution, and they would very likely win and, at that point, they would strike down that law.”
–A lawsuit was filed Friday in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Attorney General Eric Holder and BATFE Director B. Todd Jones seeking to invalidate the Hughes Amendment. The Hughes Amendment ban the transfer or possession of any machine gun made after May 1986. Ryan Watson and the Watson Family Gun Trust are seeking the injunction. A similar action in Texas was filed on October 30 in the case of Hollis v. Holder. This latest action differs from the first in that Watson is subject to an actual taking resulting from actions performed under authorization of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.. Mr. Watson had sought and received permission to manufacture a machine gun on behalf of the trust. They later rescinded the approval and ordered him to surrender the machine gun.
“If ever a time should come when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”
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Segment 3 Interviews
We think of religious centers as being above our daily problems. We see them as spiritual sanctuary and a place of peace. Carl, is that accurate?
What sort of problems to churches, synagogues, mosques and temples see?
Churches vary enormously. They may only gather a few families on Sunday, or have thousands of people on campus every day.
Focus on the Family
New Life Church in Colorado Springs
Deadly force events in churches are the rule, not the exception.
Any Questions, you guys?
The first mass murder in a church was in 1963. There have been 11 since.
When do pastors recognize the need for physical security? How could a pastor manage the security for a small community like that?
Insurance companies help the churches form their security solutions. Chuck Chadwick has lots of experience. So does Bob Clamser- Crisis consulting international. Dave Grossman.
What sort of events does church security have to handle?
Missionaries often leave vulnerable areas. Missionaries forget the difficulty of working in remote areas.
What was your experience at New Life?
We don’t hear about violence in church very often. How common is that? (your historical data)
How has the religious community learned from your experience? (your book and classes)
Who is leading the religious security movement? (Names, websites, courses)
Is that where we should send our pastor for more information? Brotherhood Mutual Insurance has some free information!
Where can people find out more?
What are your next classes/books/seminars?
Close, thank you, and mention your website again. http://www.carlchinn.com/Home_Page.html
Jeff Knox – http://www.burr.senate.gov/public/
Background checks cover the population of new York city, 15-20 million people each year, in order to apprehend 15 to 20 people per year. We are wasting our effort and ignoring good police methods.
Segment 4 DGUs
-A husband and wife returned home Friday night in Hartford, Alabama. A group of armed men approached the couple and attempted to rob them. The husband was a licensed concealed carry holder. He feared for his safety and the safety of his wife. He shot one of the robbers in the face. The others fled. The police chief said she did not expect to file charges against the couple. http://bearingarms.com/picking-wrong-target-concealed-carrier-puts-bullet-armed-robbers-nose/
Note that the numerically larger group would presumably have been able to do whatever they wanted to the couple if the husband had not been armed.
–An armed customer in an Indianapolis pawn shop shot and killed an armed robber on Tuesday. The robber first brandished his firearm and then engaged in a gun battle with the customer. Indianapolis Metro Police identified the robber as Tyerre Allen, 25, who had recently been released from incarceration in an Indiana State Prison for – wait for it – robbery. Allen is also a suspect in other robberies in the Indianapolis area. Police have refused to identify the customer who is reportedly traumatized by the whole incident and fears retaliation. Police will be presenting the evidence to the local prosecutor’s office.
–A Cleveland, Ohio homeowner confronted a burglar in his home near midday on Tuesday. The homeowner ended up shooting the burglar in the ear and the back. The burglar is in stable condition at MetroHealth Medical Center. While police confiscated the homeowner’s firearm as evidence, they have not charged him with any crime.
–Jessica Hopper, 32, of Garvin County, Oklahoma had been arrested last week in the shooting death of her boyfriend Felix “Hammer” Williams. Police had found him dead of a gunshot wound when they arrived on the scene. However, Ms. Hopper was cleared after police investigators listened to the open line 9-1-1 call which corroborated her story of self-defense. Ms. Hopper had called police due to a domestic argument. Williams then threatened her with a gun for calling police. When he put the gun down in another room, she picked it up so he couldn’t use it on her. This enraged Williams who started hitting Ms. Hopper whereupon she fatally shot him.
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Tips and tricks
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
This is an e-mail from John in Texas.
I have been thinking about the dilemma of what happened in Washington (state) and what’s on tap for Nevada. I was listening to John Lott on Armed American Radio tonight. Dr Lott is calling the money it will take to go through a FFL to do a firearms transfer a tax. We need to equate these transfer taxes to poll taxes. There may be a legal challenge to these transfer laws on that basis alone.
Also the public was duped by false information in their statements and advertisements. Could we pass laws in state legislatures punishing false ads by making the misleader pay for equal advertising time to allow for the record to be corrected. It would also put a restraining order against a law that passes under false pretenses. The state Supreme Court would have jurisdiction over any claims.
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Rachel- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?
I did a short post this morning about changes in carry law in, of all places, Russia. Believe it or not, but Russia has better carry laws than New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and probably most of California. They just amended their laws to include “self-defense” as a valid reason to carry licensed weapons. Politicians in the US should be ashamed that Russians have more rights to carry than many Americans..
Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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