Episode 285 – Joe Chetwood and George Hill

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday the 16th of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we note with sadness the passing of Anita Ingrao.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Michigan home invader found that crime can be deadly.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Joe Chetwood for the ask the gun doc segment
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster Cooking and Food Packaging for Preppers.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 285 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – Truck drivers and grades. Thank you to Greg in Bremerton for making me aware of a YouTube video, although I need some of Gary’s blood pressure medicine now.
John – I did some more practice with my SIRT pistol and took some of Rob’s suggestions. Other than that, just work, blogging, and family stuff.
Rob- Lots of overtime at work.  A little dry practice at home.  I need to order some new gun parts.
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Seg 2- News

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-It is with sadness that we report the passing  of Anita Ingrao on Thursday from breast cancer. Anita was a producer, along with her fiancee Kris Koenig, of the 2nd Amendment documentary film “Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire.”  The  memorial service will be held for her on Monday in Chico, California.  We knew Anita from her work in the right of self-defense.  She also loved the stars.  She and Kris produced a film “400 Years of the Telescope”, and together, they ran observatories.  Contributions are suggested in lieu of flowers to the Anita Ingrao Memorial Fund at the North Valley Community Foundation to benefit the Chico Community Observatory.  www.nvcf.org

The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission turned down a proposal to ban lead-based ammunition. By a 5-1 vote, the Commission members rejected a petition presented by Paula Brown.  Brown is a part-time raptor rehabilitator.  She collected the signatures of 53 residents and four letters of support calling for the prohibition.  There is no science that links lead ammunition with environmental lead poisoning in either animals or humans.

-What if they passed a gun law, and nobody obeyed it?  Washington gun owners plan a rally to defy the newly passed initiative 594.  The new law makes it illegal to hand a gun to a friend.  They are hoping for 5500 gun owners to break the law.. peacefully.  The civil disobedience protest is scheduled for December 13 at the capitol in Olympia, Washington.  Spokesmen for the Washington State police said the protesters would not be charged with violating I594, but asked them to stay safe and follow the firearms safety rules.

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Colt Defense is reported to be in severe financial trouble. A $10.9 million interest payment is due on Monday may be missed. If they still can’t pay the interest due by mid-December they will be in default on their $248 million bond. Bond holders could then demand immediate payment of the total debt.  According to filings with the SEC, they are blaming their “liquidity problem” on a decline in demand for the Modern Sporting Rifles and handguns. Colt Defense is the parent company of Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Colt Canada.

-Captain Jack McCauley had a good career in the Maryland State Police.  He was often promoted and moved to demanding positions.  Then something changed for Jack.  I think he lost his faith in Maryland law enforcement.  According to his affidavit from this spring’s court case, McCauley was asked a question while testifying before the Maryland House.  During testimony in the State House Judiciary subcommittee, McCauley was asked to testify if the newly enacted firearms ban would reduce crime in Maryland.   Quote “As I began to respond, I was commanded by Shanetta Paskel, the Deputy Legislative Officer for the Office of Governor Martin O’Malley, not to answer the delegate’s question.”  The trooper said he acquiesced to her request because he believed she was his superior in the administration.  Had he been allowed to answer, he would have told the delegate that the banned firearms are almost never used in crimes, that the anti-rights laws would have no effect on mass shootings since stricter mental health protections were far more effective.  Now he says “My goal is to educate the public, because the mainstream media and the governor’s office are intentionally lying to people,”

After the hearing, Ms. Paskel explained why she ordered McCauley not to answer.  The testimony “was not about policy; it is just [about] votes.”

-There is more news about Maryland assault on civilian long guns.  21 State Attorneys General filed an amicus brief opposing Maryland’s gun ban.  The brief was filed in the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Kolbe v. O’Malley.  The States Attorneys said Maryland’s Firearm Safety Act violates citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms by imposing a ban on the possession of commonly-used weapons.  They also said Maryland law must be subject to strict scrutiny because its restrictions extend to possession of a protected weapon by a law-abiding citizen for self-defense in the home.

-The Ohio Senate had hearings this week on several bills to change the state’s gun laws.  One bill provides legal protections for residents defending themselves during violent attacks.

It would rescind Ohio’s law which requires a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense.  The bill’s sponsor said, Quote “The bill would allow a lawful carrier of a firearm to defend themselves so long as the person is assaulted in a place where he or she has the right to be. A person facing a life threatening situation should not have a duty to flee and hope for the best; they should have the right to protect themselves and protect their loved ones.”  The bill would also reduce the mandatory safety training from 12 hours down to four hours to get a concealed carry license.  It allows people serving in the military to retain their concealed carry licenses and accommodate out-of-state firearms purchases.  It also requires Ohio to recognize concealed handgun licenses issued by states that recognize Ohio’s license holders.

-Anti-rights politicians are off the chain in Missouri.  State House Democrats introduced an anti-gun bill which would turn gun owners into criminals by banning semi-automatic firearms.  Quote, “Any person who was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.
This is forced civilian disarmament.

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-Elections have consequences.  After this last election, the NRA publicly said there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senate majority leader Harry Reid in 2016.  The NRA refused to endorse Reid in 2010.  Reid’s push for gun control since his last election has made endorsement impossible.  Quote “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.”  Nevada firearms owners supported Reid’s opponent, Sharron Angle, in 2010, but the NRA never got onboard.  Some insiders felt the NRA favored Senator Reid in order to keep Chuck Schumer from replacing him as Majority Leader in the Senate.

-Maybe this is news about news, but Jeff Knox posted an article at World Net Daily.  Jeff talks about injured veterans being denied their right to own a gun because of their injuries.  I don’t mean one or two veterans.  More than 100,000 vets lost their second amendment rights because of their VA classification.  Jeff noticed that US Representative Gabby Giffords has not been forcibly disarmed after her traumatic brain injury.  There are clearly two sets of rules at play.  One set of rules is for the politically favored and another set of rules is for the people who have to pay their own legal bills.  We’ll have Jeff on the Wednesday show to talk about his article.

-Jeff Knox is from Arizona, and so is this next story.  We covered the brutal murder of a real estate agent in Arkansas.  The agent was targeted because she was a woman who often worked alone.  That prompted many real estate agents to apply for their carry licence.  This particular group of Keller Williams agents consists mostly of women, and they spent a day at the range rather than opening front doors and talking about closet space.  Jenny McCall sells houses in Tempe, Arizona.  “This particular house is vacant which would be something that somebody who wanted to hurt somebody would definitely look for.”  The more expensive, vacant homes in particular can attract criminals.  The agents try and double up for some calls, but that’s not always possible.  Now they carry concealed and spend a day at the range to brush up on their skills.

Quote, “Because we deal with such a wide variety of real estate from the high-end stuff.. all the way down to the very lowest of low..  we never know what we’re walking into,” said Kevin Craig. Some ranges in Tempe now offer monthly self-defense courses for realtors.

-A gun owner is suing the Atlanta Botanical Gardens after he was escorted off the property because he was openly carrying a permitted gun. Phillip Evans and GeorgiaCarry are bringing the lawsuit.  The Botanical Gardens allow “no weapons except as permitted by law.”  Since open carry by licensed firearms owners is legal in Georgia, Evans visited the gardens while armed.  Evans wasn’t questioned about his holstered firearm in October.  Evans came back to the gardens a week later with his wife and two children, again openly wearing his gun in a holster.  This time the management of the Botanical Gardens told him he could not have his gun with him. The police were called and Evans was escorted to his car.  The Botanical Gardens is a private organization and it operates on 30 acres it leases from the city of Atlanta.  The private organization can not deny citizens the right to tools of self-defense on the public property they use.

-Sometimes it takes a lawsuit to make the police follow the law.  A legal resident tried to get a carry permit in Boston.  The police told him he must provide either a US birth certificate or naturalization papers.  Phuong Ngo, and the group Commonwealth Second Amendment, sued the Boston police department.  The city folded.  Now the Boston Police accept passports from legal residents as documentation in the concealed carry application process. Thank you Mr. Ngo and Commonwealth Second Amendment.

-We love it when a police department promotes real firearms safety.  The Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office, in Louisiana made us smile.  Registration is open for their “first gun” class intended for children from 8 to 12 years of age.  The four-hour class is offered in early December and early January.  The course provides basic instruction for children who may never have fired a gun but want to be able to use one safely. It’s also recommended for kids who will receive a new BB gun, shotgun, or hunting rifle for Christmas.  The Sheriff’s training academy will provide firearms if the children don’t have any.  Children are welcome to bring their own firearms like BB guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles, and small caliber shotguns, but not high-powered rifles.  BBs and 22 ammunition will be supplied.  All children will shoot at both fixed targets and skeet.  The class is free.

-A North Carolina gun shop ran an ad on Facebook.  The advertisement read-  “Shop Online and choose from the area’s largest selection of safes and vaults… on sale now through November 15!”   The ad was taken down by Facebook almost immediately.  Facebook said ads cannot indirectly link back to pages where guns can be purchased.  “The decision is final. Please consider this the end of our correspondence about your ad.”

The Canadian Supreme Court ruled last week that airguns are to be considered firearms for all purposes in the Canadian criminal code except for registration and licensing. Thus, airguns will be subject to the same criminal code provisions dealing with careless storage of firearms. Moreover, provisions dealing with concealed firearms will now apply to airguns. This means if you put your airgun in a pocket or backpack you will be violating the law. Canada’s National Firearms Association says they will be seeking a legislative remedy to the problems caused by this ruling.

-The opposite is happening in Michigan.  Michigan lawmakers passed legislation loosening regulations on BB and pellet guns.  The legislation excludes guns that propel a projectile by gas, spring or air from Michigan’s firearm regulations.  Another bill would repeal a law making it a misdemeanor for a minor to possess a BB gun unless accompanied by an adult. The Michigan Senate passed a bill to prohibit local governments from regulating ownership of paintball and BB guns.  Municipalities could limit their use to authorized locations or on private property.

-You might remember our story about a one room school house in Colorado that raffled off a rifle to raise money for new playground equipment.  The library in Breckenridge, Texas is raffling off a limited edition rifle to raise money.  Tickets for the rifle can be obtained at the library for a $5 donation or five tickets for a $20 donation.  They want more computers for the library. The rifle was made by the Bold Ideas facility, located in Breckenridge.  The drawing for the winner is scheduled for noon on Monday, Dec. 1.

-Speaking of books, the Christmas season is coming.  We interviewed authors Brian Aitken and Jae Wells, so please remember them if you give books this Christmas.  We use information provided by author Stephen Wenger in every podcast.  We recommend his book, Defensive Use of Firearms. A great gift for any shooter is The Cornered Cat: A Womans Guide to Concealed Carry  By frequent guest Kathy Jackson. The links are in our show notes.

Gun Quotes
One of our regular email contributors Ken from Arizona sent in our gun quote, it comes from Winston Churchill

“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

George Hill and Joe Chetwood
Joe, the gun doc
Can I re-bore my 22 without customized and expensive machine tools?
No.

Why won’t my Mosin extract a fired case?
The chamber ID is either fouled or pitted.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then hang up the gun or rebarrel it.

Rust?
Steelwool!

Where can I find parts for my Savage 99?
Numrich. and use the web.

Does Mosberg make a long rifled barrel for their 12 Ga?
Ask them.

Taurus won’t cock the trigger every time.
Could be many things.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then bring it to a gunsmith.  Try Tetragon-action blaster to clean the action.

Segment 4 DGUs
-A man broke into an indianapolis house at 2 in the morning.  The house had been broken into a day earlier, but this time the owner was home.. and the homeowner was armed.  Homeowner Howard Murphy shot 39 year old Kocho Long when the intruder moved to attack him.  Long was shot in the leg and caught by police a block away.  Long was transported to  Eskenazi Hospital and remains in stable condition.

-A Milwaukee woman was attacked in the afternoon and only a few blocks from a local police station.  Even though the police were nearby, they were still too far away to help her.  She helped herself.  A robber approached the 36 year old woman and demanded her purse and valuables.  The robber drew a gun, and so did the intended victim.  She fired several times, but apparently missed.  The police were looking for the man who ran from the crime scene.

Menominee County in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was the scene of a home invasion on Monday. At 5am, as three young men broke in by a garage door, the 62-yo homeowner called 9-1-1. As the home invaders came in the house, the homeowner fired multiple times at them. Hayden Gagnon, 19, died at the scene. Police found his compatriots, Thomas Hartman and Matthew Franjose, after a search of the nearby woods. They both have been charged with 1st degree home invasion. The Menominee Co Sheriff said “the homeowner defended himself and his home”. While no charges are pending against the homeowner, the local DA says he plans to review the case to make sure the shooting was justified.

-You remember when the Bloomberg group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America said you don’t need a gun to go shopping.  Well, sometimes you do.  Daniel McHugh is 48 years old.  He had just walked out of a Kroger supermarket in Atlanta Georgia and got into his car.  That is when two men opened the driver side door and shot him.  Bystanders put pressure on the gunshot wound to his stomach by the time police and medical personnel arrived.  Now McHugh is fighting for his life at Grady Memorial Hospital.  He remains in critical condition.

Criminals break the law for a living.  Criminals do not obey gun laws, just as, in this case,  they refuse to obey laws against armed robbery, car theft, possession of a stolen handgun, and attempted murder.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about texas gun laws.  Texas denies the right of self-defense in many hospitals and churches.  They also treat some gun owners as guilty until proven innocent.  I want Texas to do better, and you know how texans get if you say Texas isn’t perfect.. yet.

Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a couple of posts this week on Washington State’s I-594 and what to expect next. The first post dealt with the ultimate intentions of Bloomberg and his ilk. A post from Reddit makes the argument with which I agree that it is to kill the gun culture. My second post looked at the factors that made Washington State and now Nevada targets for universal background check initiatives. I ranked the states by those factors. The other states to keep an eye on are Arizona and Oregon thanks to the number of in-migrants from California.

Gary- NRA founded Tomorrow November 17, 1871
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 279 – George (Mad Ogre) Hill and Prepping Your Car

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, October 26, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and on tonights show we’ll talk with George Hill about riots and what steps can be taken for personal security
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the attack on the Canadian Parliament.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a bad guy getting confronted by an armed citizen.. twice in one day.
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about making your car ready for an emergency.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 279 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul Someone hit our pickup. – I love my 1911 and I love my Glock facebook sites. Go Fund Me for GRPC 2015 is now at $550 – thank you to everyone who has donated.

John – I didn’t get a chance to do any dry-fire practice this week. However, I did something even more important. I voted. Early voting started in North Carolina on Thursday and we voted on Saturday. I know a lot of people, gun people even, say that one vote doesn’t matter. They are wrong. I can name any number of major races where a handful of votes made the difference.

Rob- I had a ton of fun shooting IDPA yesterday.  I did well.  The last stage was taken from a backyard barbecue.  The stage started with your hands buried in an ice chest.  That was the moment three thugs attacked your guests from behind your back.  You had to pull your hands out of the ice water, turn around, step around an innocent guest, then draw from concealment and engage three targets.  I scored well and did not shoot the hostage!  It was also so hot on the range that the ice-water felt good on my hands.  9 shots, four transitions in 7.4 seconds.

I overheard a father whisper to his son, “I won’t say a thing, but you have to explain to mom that you shot the unarmed hostage.”

IDPA Standing

For next week- I called a local range and asked for instruction.  They asked me if I wanted to rent time in their simulator.  I told them I wanted an instructor to help me improve my presentation from concealment.  If the simulator is the best tool to do that, then fine, let’s use it.  You could hear the light bulb go on in his head.  It seems a lot of people want the simulator ride, but don’t really want instruction.  I’ll meet with them next week.

I have to check all my mags because I had a failure to feed.

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Seg 2- News
Where to start?
-This defensive gun use is so widely covered that we’re putting it in the news section.  The attack on the Canadian Parliament took place a few minutes before our last episode.  In that attack, a muslim terrorist attacked the Canadian war memorial where he shot a soldier who was part of the honor guard.  The soldier was not armed and could not defend himself.  The murderer then stole a limousine and drove to Parliament.  The murderer was shot by Kevin Vickers.  Vickers is the Parliament’s Sergeant at Arms.  The gunmen threatened dozens of disarmed civilians.  They were helpless to stop the murderer.  Kevin Vickers was both armed and trained.  Vickers saw the murderer’s gun stick out past a stone column.  Vickers dove across the marble floor and slid on his back around the column under the gun.  He fired upward at the murderer until the threat was stopped.  Vickers was the former chief superintendent of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
comment- that is a hero.
comment- correction.. that is an ARMED hero.
Gary D- comment- I think that misses the point.  The media will use any terrorist attack as a pretense to promote a larger government and limit our rights.  The murderer used a lever action 30-30.  The media will now treat all long arms as if they are the boogeyman “assault” long gun.  A kids daisy bb gun is a long gun for crying out loud.  The media will simply use this as another excuse to tell the public gun owners are evil.
John- I own a 30-30.
Rob- I held my friends lever action 45-70 the other day.  Gary, let me hear your antacid pills.  Breathe in, breathe out.

-An armed student attacked his cousins at a Washington school.  The student was too young to own a firearm.  He stole it from his father.  The murderer took his own life when a teacher grabbed him.  The anti-gunners will say we all need to be disarmed.  If that is true, then why do they call the police when a crazy killer comes to school?  I thought we were safer if we simply kept guns off campus?
Gary D- comment- another failed gun-free zone.
comment- DC city councilmen wanted to disarm the police.

-We do our best to bring you the news, but we missed this one.  We had Miko Tempski on with us for the midweek show.  He reported on the competing initiatives in Washington State.  The initiatives have left some of the anti-rights groups in a passion.  Police in Bellevue Washington are investigating a former Bellevue City councilwoman after she stole campaign signs for Initiative 591.  That is the initiative that would limit required background checks for gun owners, and require that all background checks meet national standards.. 591 would also require that gun owners receive due process before their firearms are seized.  Police submitted a report to the Bellevue City Attorney’s Office for a third-degree theft charge against the former city councilwoman, Margot Blacker.  A man called Bellevue police saying he watched a woman stealing campaign signs, and he provided the license plate for Margot Blacker’s car and gave a physical description that matched Blacker.
comment- our betters know how we should live.  Margot Blacker must be very frustrated by this messy democracy.
comment – Alan Gottlieb had a good response to it.

-There is always another excuse for the anti-rights groups to disarm innocent civilians.  If one excuse doesn’t work, then they will find another excuse.  Lead contamination is the latest rationalization to outlaw modern ammunition.  We know that government money can pay for an academic study to say that black is white and hot is cold.
comment- you mean like the earth is warming?
Yes, like that.  Now we see government money being paid to prove that lead is a danger, and that modern ammunition is the source of that lead contamination.  It is a harder sell than you might think because the subject was studied before.  Doctor John Lott recently pointed out where the Clinton administration dismissed concerns about lead poisoning from bullets.  Lott reference three letters written in 1999 and 2000 by Dr. William L. Marcus.  Doctor Marcus was the senior science adviser at the Environmental Protection Agency’s Office of Water. In those letters, Marcus wrote that the “assertion that the use of lead based ammunition is hazardous is in error,” as studies of adult shooters at outdoor ranges have not shown increased blood lead levels and those shooting at “indoor properly ventilated firing ranges have shown no increases in blood lead levels.”
comment- you won’t hear those reports from the Sierra Club
comment- or from a Bloomberg group.

-Drug cartels murdered another citizen journalist in Mexico.  We reported where corrupt Mexican politicans ordered the police and drug gangs to murder political protesters.  The protesters great sin was to protest a rally where the mayor’s wife spoke.  Now, the drug gangs are murdering anyone who reports on such stories.  None dare write, tweet or blog.. except with the approval of the narco-cartel.  This is another great failure of citizen-disarmament!
comment- Disarmed citizens are helpless against armed thugs.
comment- Armed thugs kill disarmed citizens with ease.  Anti-rights groups here in the US want us to adopt Mexican style prohibition against firearms.

-The Ebola outbreak is in the news.  Since the new political method is to never let a crisis go to waste, the Ebola outbreak is now our fault.  You and I.. and the NRA opposed the Obama appointee for US surgeon general.  Doctor Vivek Murthy headed up Doctors for Obama, and he helped get Obama Care passed.  Here we have another community organizer who has come out against the right of armed self-defense.  Of course the NRA opposed Doctor Murthy’s appointment.  Somehow the mainstream media forgets that Senate Democrats had the votes to pass Murthy, but these senators opposed his appointment too.
comment- The so called mainstream media suffered a convenient lapse of memory when they blamed the NRA.
comment- the acting surgeon general really is an expert on infectious diseases, but Obama isn’t interested in appointing him.
comment-  Our community organizer rides again.

-Washington DC said it now has laws in place so a citizens can have a concealed carry license.  Of course, you can’t get one and can’t use one.  Except for that, the DC city council complied with the judge’s order.  The district requires that applicants have 18 hours of firearms training.  DC has no permitting process to qualify trainers.  It also required a 435 fee for the instructors to apply.
The district required two hours of range time.  It outlawed ranges in DC.
You could travel to Virginia to train, but DC outlawed carrying firearms on public transportation.
Being a victim of violent crime is not considered a reasonable justification to receive a carry license.  Having a stalker qualifies.. but the licensing process is expected to take more than 90 days after you apply.
There is no reciprocity with any other shall issue states.
comment- DC is denying its citizens the civil right of self-defense.  I hope lawyers like Alan Gura take the DC city council for millions of dollars in penalties.

The Second Amendment Foundation filed a lawsuit in Illinois federal district court.  SAF challenged Illinois’s concealed carry which excludes law abiding citizens from carrying because of the state where they live.  Joining SAF in this legal action are the Illinois State Rifle Association, Illinois Carry, Inc., and ten individual plaintiffs.  All the ten defendants reside in other states and are licensed to carry in those states. Under the restrictive Illinois statute, only residents from states with “substantially similar” requirements to Illinois may obtain an Illinois carry license. Only four states currently qualify.  They are Hawaii, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia. None of the individual plaintiffs reside in those states. According to SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb, this situation is not simply unfair, it is untenable and we believe unconstitutional.
http://www.saf.org/?p=4451
John – They have a great lead plaintiff. It is Col. Kevin Culp who is stationed at Scott AFB in Illinois. He’s a Pennsylvania resident and a NRA Pistol instructor.

– Yesterday the Corvallis Human Services Committee in Corvallis Oregon voted to bring a ban on loaded firearms to the full city council.  Was this decision based on any actual incidents of violence or accidents involving openly carried firearms on public property? Was this the result of a long, reasoned debate that identified a real issue or problem? Nope.  This was the result of one member of the committee, Penny York, getting in touch with her feelings.

As the Corvallis Gazette-Times reported; “York, admitted her “decision is colored by my feelings,” described her experience of knowing four people who committed suicide and one who in a hunting incident.” What this has to do with lawful open carry is a mystery. But then, when dealing with anti-rights gun grabbers, logic and reason take a vacation.  So the rights of the people of Corvallis, and anyone who visits, are going to be trampled because of Councilor York’s “feelings” Not because of any facts. Not because of any real problem.  The council is scheduled to take this up at its 6:30 p.m. meeting Nov. 3  Oregon firearms owners should fill the room.  http://www.oregonfirearms.org/gun-ban-moving-forward-gabby-comes-town

-There have been continued protests in Ferguson Missouri.  That might have a little something to do with the Open Carry Walk that took place yesterday in Saint Louis.  Thirty to fifty citizens carried their firearms through Saint Louis from the city garden to the gateway arch.  The walk received some news coverage, but I noticed that the news gave equal coverage to the anti-gun Saint Louis Mayor. I can’t tell who won that battle for hearts and minds.

We will have some interviews about Ferguson coming up next.

Gun Quotes
Our first gun quote was submitted by Mandy Ellen Gibbons on our facebook post last week.
“I do not carry a pistol so I can impose my will on someone else.  I carry a pistol so someone else cannot impose their will on me.” -Lynn Givens
Rob- I’ve met her, Hi, Mandy!
The next gun quote isn’t attributable to anyone, however Jason Philip nailed it when he posted- “There are better ways to meet people than the shooting sports, but there aren’t any ways to meet better people.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews
Do riots have triggering events?
It is too late to do anything once they start.
You have days of warning now.
Don’t be a target.

Get your car off the street.  Get your self off the street.  Don’t go into the flow of people.  Treat it like a flood.  If you rent, then move.  If you own a home, then move your valuables.
Tacticool clothes? Should you try to blend in more, or is the carrying capacity of the clothing worth not looking like everyone else?
Gun owners will be blamed if they defend themselves.  What can we do to minimize the media propaganda from armed self-defense?

Segment 4 DGUs

-In what is becoming a trend for us, we have another burglar with a knife being trumped by a resident with a firearm. This one comes from Butler County, Ohio where Justin Kugler, 15, was sick and home alone. His dogs started barking and Justin looked out but didn’t see anyone. He then armed himself and looked down the staircase to see if anyone was downstairs. Just then Michael Roberts, who was armed with a knife, broke in the front door. Kugler told him to leave or he’d shoot. Roberts was apprehended by police soon after he left the Kulger house. Roberts had escaped earlier that morning from a police cruiser after being arrested for another burglary. In that burglary, Roberts was held at gunpoint by the owner until police arrived.

Justin’s dad, Jarrett had this to say, “Guns have always been an important thing in our family and he knew what to do when the problem came up.” As to Justin, he’s just glad he could stop Roberts before he broke into anyone else’s home.

Lt. Joshua Nelson is a pilot in the West Virginia Air National Guard and was in Del Rio, Texas which is home to Laughlin AFB. While shopping at the local Walmart with his wife, they saw a man with a large filet knife threatening to kill a woman. The Nelsons, both of whom were legally carrying, did it right. Mrs. Nelson secured her family at the front of the Walmart and called 9-1-1. Lt. Nelson then approached the knife wielding man and told him to drop the knife. Nelson did not pull his firearm but made sure the attacker knew he was armed. The attacker let the woman go and then threatened to commit suicide. Nelson convinced him to drop his knife and he did. When the cops arrived, they handcuffed the suspect and complimented Nelson for how he handled the situation.

Lt. Nelson is a strong believer in the Second Amendment saying that the number one reason he carries is to protect his family. As the public affairs office at Laughlin AFB notes, Nelson’s life reads like it is out of Hollywood. He started work in the coal mines, joined the Marines, back to the coal mines, went to college at Liberty University, became a pilot in the WVANG, *and* is a Delegate in the WV House of Delegates.

Victor Peters of Lady Lake, Florida had to protect himself against an intruder on Wednesday night. The intruder broke a window on his porch, trashed his porch, and then started towards Peters. That is when Peters felt he had no option but to shoot the 500 lb. black bear. The bear, it seems, had hit the house the day after dog food. Even though Peters moved the food inside the house, the bear wasn’t deterred. Florida Fish & Wildlife officers are investigating the incident.

Kenneth and Judy Byrd and their 19 year old granddaughter were the victims of a violent home invasion in Lumberton, North Carolina late Monday night.  After beating the Byrds severely, the home intruders forced the three into a back room where they attempted to rape the granddaughter. It was then that Mr. Byrd was able to secure a firearm and trade fire with the home intruders who then fled in Mr. Byrd’s Cadillac. Jamie Lee Faison, 20, was found dead in the car when it was recovered six miles away. Jamar Hawkins, 17, and Brandon Stephens, 28, are being held in jail on a $1 million bond each after being released from the hospital. They face multiple charges including attempted murder and both have prior felony convictions. Mr. Byrd, though suffering 8 gun shot wounds in the home invasion, is in stable condition in the hospital and is recovering. It is thought that the robbers were after cash and prescription drugs.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Email from Ken in AZ
After what happened today, Friday, at the school in Washington state, I am so angry. The very state where Bloomberg, Balmer, Gates, and other have poured millions of dollars into TV ads to swing a vote, a kid with a gun walks freely into school and starts shooting with horrific results. Why couldn’t those very rich men have done some good with their money. Think of how many metal detectors could have been purchased with all that money wasted on trying to control peoples minds and freedoms and pad the bottom line of Mainstream Media TV and radio stations. It’s sick. I am so angry I am making myself sick.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.