Episode 288 – Doris Montrose


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast  presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, November 26th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Doris Montrose about the organization Jews Can Shoot and their firearms training classes.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about Bloomberg’s Thanksgiving diet recommendations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rob: Episode 288 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I got my IDPA scores.  I placed 12th out of 26th.  My time was good, but I have to study the results to find out where I lost points.  I plan to shoot Friday with friends.
John – In gun related items, I have been compiling my annual list of Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals in firearms and firearms related items. While some of these will be over by the time this podcast airs, still check them out. Some continue on into December. I have seen prices really coming down compared to last year especially with the glut of AR-15s.
Rachel- nothing guns or politics, just pies and getting ready for Thanksgiving celebrations.

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Seg 2- News

-It appears at least one shop owner in Ferguson, Missouri decided he wasn’t just going to leave his store for the violent crowds last night.  In a recorded news video, a man can be seen walking around inside of a shop wearing a clearly visible, holstered handgun.  Nearby businesses were set on fire, but protesters left this shop alone.  We can’t tell if it was the armed shop owner, or if there was some other reason this shop was undamaged.  We can say that the shops that were burned did NOT have armed security.

-A few miles away from Ferguson, about 20 men with handguns and AR-15 rifles stood around the perimeter of a small group of stores.  About 100 cars had come by throughout the night to check out the mall, but the cars turned away.   One of the store owners said, “There’s nothing in this strip mall open, so you’re going to get scrutinized.”  The strip mall had been hit by vandals soon after the shooting in August.  Not this time.

-Let me put the growth of firearms for self-defense in perspective.  Last year they renewed 800 concealed carry handgun licenses in Orange County California.  They have eight times that number waiting for initial review and approval.. and the year is not over.  The big change was that the sheriff of Orange County now allows concealed carry for self-defense.

Concealed carry in El Paso County, Colorado has been growing steadily for a decade, particularly for women.  There were about 900 women with concealed carry licenses in 2005.  Now there are eight times that many.

Nationwide, almost 3.6 percent of the total US population has a concealed carry license.  That number grows by about 12 percent a year.

-If guns cause crime, then a lot of our guns are broken.  2013 was a record year for gun sales with almost 14 million background checks recorded by the NICS system.  During the same year, the number of law enforcement officers shot and killed in the line of duty fell by 40 percent.  That great news is part of a broader trend.  Violent crime against private citizens also fell in 2013.

-And to also keep things in perspective, 18 people were shot last weekend in Chicago and three of them died from their injuries.  That makes 343 people shot and killed, 2003 shot and wounded, for a total of 2346 people shot so far this year in the gun-control city of Chicago.  No one with a concealed carry permit has been charged with one of the shootings.

-Some Ohio School Boards are not as bright as others.  A school district in Logan County discussed placing guns in schools for teachers and staff members in case of an active shooter situation. The Riverside Local School Superintendent Scott Mann said he hopes this policy could be used as a deterrent from potential threats.  Now get this next news.  School board members have discussed placing firearms secured in lock boxes around the building. Mann said he wouldn’t support having teachers carrying concealed firearms. “ I do not want guns on teachers in the classroom.  I think that’s one of the worst safety plans you can have.”

Mann advocates placing loaded handguns in its seven school buildings with each weapon locked in a box that can only be opened by a fingerprint.


Park City, Utah is the latest Utah city to roll back firearms regulations that were not in compliance with Utah state law. Park City officials made the changes after receiving a letter from the Second Amendment Foundation. That letter informed them that they were not in compliance with the law and promised a lawsuit if things were not corrected. This is part of a 3-year effort to get rid of such regulations that conflict with state law or state and US constitutions.

-We reported last week that the Washington DC City Council was already being questioned for contempt charges after ignoring a judges ruling to issue concealed carry permits to DC residents and visitors.  The city council reviewed their licensing plans, and didn’t change them much at all.  Their big change was to recommend that houses of worship could not allow concealed handguns unless they advertise otherwise.  They also revised the appeals board who would review denied applications.  DC is set to respond to the contempt charge by December 4th and Attorney Alan Gura is to submit briefs a week later.

-Michael Bloomberg dropped a million dollars setting up shop in Nevada.  Actually, he contributed two million, but has only spend half that so far.  His anti-rights group submitted signatures to put gun restrictions on the ballot.  He had to file campaign finance  documents with the Nevada Secretary of State.  The ballot initiative will be presented to the Nevada Legislature in 2015. By law they have three options. Ignore it, amend it with a competing bill, or pass it. If it is ignored or amended, the ballot initiative will be on the 2016 ballot. After Nevada, Arizona is next in the list for Bloomberg.

-The department of social services in Craven County North Carolina is afraid of guns.  He asked to have the social services department declared a gun free zone.  He already disarmed his employees, but is concerned that the general public may be armed.  The county commissioners said they will look at placing an armed guard in the social services department.

-Another month has gone by, and there is another motion in the 5 year old case of Peruta Versus San Diego.  The 3 judge panel denied the California Attorney General’s petition for standing.  Now the Attorney General is appealing the panel’s decision to the full court.  Said another way.. the attorney general asked for a review of the decision by the full court.  Now the AG is appealing to the full court to review the decision that denied her request for a review.  Is that clear?

-In the lead up to the grand jury’s decision on Monday, quite a number of residents of the St. Louis area were purchasing firearms to protect themselves from the expected civil unrest. Many of these new gun owners were new to firearms and to firearms safety and had no training. 26 year old Becca Campbell and her boyfriend were a couple of these new gun owners. Sadly, Becca is now dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. While driving with her boyfriend on Friday night, she started waving the pistol around in the car and muzzled her boyfriend. This startled him and caused him to swerve the car. He ended up rear-ending another car and she ended up shooting herself in the head. She died later at a local hospital. Police are conducting forensic tests to confirm the boyfriend’s story.

-This is part of the Polite Society Podcast diet plan to keep you from gaining too much weight of the holidays.  Like clockwork, the bloomberg groups have put out their holiday talking points that we’re supposed to bring up with our family and friends.  Would you like a serving of guilt along with your slice of gun-control propaganda?

comment- I understand it goes well with vegan tofu turkey.
comment- how is that a diet plan.
answer- it makes me sick to my stomach, and I’d feel the same way if someone brought up an anti-rights position at my Thanksgiving dinner.

Rob- We have two Gun Quotes for you today, and they are a study in contrasts.

John- The first is by John Adams.  He said “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.”
Rachel- The second reads Quote “One man with a gun can control 100 without one. … Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.” that was Vladimir Ilich Lenin
Rachel- We’ll be back after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions.  Remember that Concealment Solutions is giving away free shipping on this months orders.

Segment 3 Interviews

Jews Can Shoot- Doris Wise Montrose
What is the name of your title at Jews can Shoot? President and Founder (aka “Producer”) for CJHS. Jews Can Shoot is an initiative of CJHS.
Hello, Doris.  Thank you for coming on the Polite Society Podcast.
What is the name of your organization? Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors (CJHS) is dedicated to educating the public in the United States and abroad about the intellectual and cultural climate that led to the Holocaust.
You’re having an event.  What is it called?  (What are you doing?)
You’ve done this before.  How many times?  How many came?
Who is invited?
Why is it important they come?
Why is it important your organization makes that training available?  (Is your group unique, or are there similar organizations?  Are you local or national?)
When is your next event? (you have several)
Where is it held?
What is covered in each class?  (classroom and range work)
What are the prerequisites for each event?  (beginner or intermediate shooters?  Age and athletic ability?  Do they need to bring their own firearms?)
Who does your training?  Are they members or hired instructors?)
Matt Weintraub and Ken Elva
How much does the class cost? $150 to $175
How do our listeners learn more about your classes and contact you?

Segment 4 DGUs
-A Tuscaloosa woman has a stalker.  He called her earlier in the day and threatened he was coming over to kill her.  She fired two cartridges from her shotgun when he pulled up in her driveway.  The stalker left and then called for an ambulance after being struck in the neck by the shotgun pellets.  He was treated at a local medical center where police investigators discovered his history of domestic violence.  He was charged with stalking and trying to set this woman’s house on fire last April.  Witness confirmed what happened this week, and the stalker was arrested again, charged with third-degree domestic violence harassment, and booked in the County Jail.

-The shop keeper closed the store without a problem.  JJ’s corner convenience store is in Jackson, Mississippi.  Next the shop keeper pulled the chain bar fence across the front of the store and locked the front door.  That’s when he saw someone try to climb the fence and get in.  Next the robber came to the back of the store and broke a back window to get inside.  The store owner shot the robber when he entered the store.  The robber left the way he entered.  Security cameras showed the man climb into a waiting car, but he was too weak to close the door.  The two criminals drove away and the police have not found the wounded robber.

A 13 year old family member of the shopkeeper was shot and killed in an armed robbery a month ago.

-Two robbers approached their chosen victim at sundown in Birmingham, Alabama.  They told the victim to give up his valuables.  The victim was armed, and he shot one of the robbers.  Both robbers fled the scene.  Police later found the wounded man and transported him to a local medical center for treatment.  Birmingham Police do not expect to charge the intended victim.

-A similar thing happened in New Orleans.  An armed robber demanded that his victim turn over his valuables.  The victim handed over his cell phone.  The 22 year old robber, Samuel Sims,  demanded more.  That is when the intended victim drew his concealed carry firearm and shot Sims in the chest. Sims ran away and told a nearby resident that HE was the victim of a robbery.  Police and paramedics arrived and figured out the truth.  Sims was taken to the hospital.  The intended victim is cooperating with police, and we does not face charges for his self-defense shooting.

-An early morning home invasion in rural Orange County, Indiana started when the two homeowners heard someone enter their home.  They moved their mother into a back room, and then one of the brothers went to investigate.  The intruder started a fight.  the second brother walked in to find the intruder wearing a hooded sweatshirt with a bandana over his face and holding a knife.  The intruder was hitting his brother.  That is when the second brother shot the intruder.  23-year-old Jacob Grimes died at the scene.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close
Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Doris Montrose for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time… stay safe..
Rachel: be aware..
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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