Episode 336 – A Florida Police Chief Says Women Shouldn’t Carry

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded 28 june 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Carl Chinn about physical security in churches.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we will hear from Dan Roberts about the drive to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Episode 336 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to the range and practiced.  Spoke on Lock and Load radio with Bill Frady on Friday.  Mentored a student at a first shots course for medical professionals.  That taught me a few new tricks.  My browning 22 pistol eats federal but not American Eagle.. which are made by the same company.

My Florida carry permit came in the mail.

 

Gary – Ordered Sherry’s Concealment Solutions holster and we did some reloading practice with speed loaders.

 

Paul – Did some more looking at campers this morning. not much gun related. been absorbing the news of the week.  Looking at ordering a new belt for Susan to use at the Kathy Jackson class.

 

Rob- Did you consider Jason’s belts?

 

There are 2 things that I want to address before we go off into the news segment, although they both are technically news that relate to guns.

 

First is the statement by the pope that came out just about the time we were supposed to go to air last week and so we weren’t able to properly vett the story to make sure that it was a real story.  It was a real story.

 

I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now consider myself a Christian not connected to any particular church. I believe in the bible and not what people have inserted as “doctrine”  I would like to read some of the pope’s comments as reported on Ammoland.com

 

Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)? (end of ammoland story)

 

There is something that I believe his holiness has forgotten, that evil does exist in the world. Edmund Burke is quoted as saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The pope seems to be like the liberals who are at work right here in America, he thinks that if we click our heels three time and say there is no place like home that everything will be alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, everything will not be alright. American, and indeed world history is replete with examples of disarmament leads to slavery or even worse death.

 

I am sorry that a man (and the pope is a man) is in charge of the catholic church that I grew up in and had a great deal of respect for. Popes are supposed to serve a lifetime, I will never wish ill on any human, however I can only hope that this man decides like his predecessor that the papacy is too much for him and retire early. I would like to say to my fellow Christians to pray like it depends on God and prepare like it depends on you.

 

The armory of the Swiss Guard who protect the Vatican.

 

Secondly there was a major ruling from the Supreme court late in the week that proclaimed through the 14th amendment that all states must allow gay marriage. What does this have to do with guns? Well there are many that are saying that with the language in the ruling that the 14th amendment would also require a concealed carry permit issued in one state to be accepted by all. And I have to say that there are strong arguments for this. I would like to caution our listeners strongly, that right now that is a THEORY, not tested in court. I will not be the test case, I encourage you not to as well. The SAF is tuning up right now to introduce lawsuits to that effect.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

 

Police chief advocates civilian disarmament in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

Two Tampa Bay Florida real estate agents were robbed at gunpoint this month.  One was shackled at her hands and feet while the attacker made ransom demands to the victim’s husband.  Police admit that agents have a dangerous job.  St. Petersburg police Chief Tony Holloway said real estate agents, particularly women, should not arm themselves because the criminal would only take their gun and use it against them.

 

Paul- Wait a minute.  Female agents are the same as any other women in their ability to defend themselves.

 

Rob- Maybe Florida laws are different.  I have a Florida carry license instructor to talk with us.

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Dramatic Rise in Crime After UK Ban Guns

The blog Extrano’s Alley has an interesting analysis of the increase in violent crime after the UK’s total ban on handguns and severe restriction on all other firearms. The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to their Dunblane massacre. It is certainly interesting reading in light of the efforts attempting to capitalize on the Charleston tragedy. The link can be found in our show notes.

 

NY State Residents Disobeying Cuomo’s Registration Scheme

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”  From his cell in the Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote those words that are being taken to heart by New York State residents. Only 24 thousand of New York State’s 20 million residents have registered their so-called assault weapons since Cuomo’s SAFE act took effect in 2013. Less than 45 thousand rifles have been registered. Law enforcement estimates there are 1 million assault weapons in the state. The citizens are engaging in civil disobedience even though failure to register is a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

 

Cuomo rammed his SAFE Act though the legislature weeks after the Sandy Hook tragedy. The act was an anti-gun activist’s dream: a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, stolen gun reporting, safe storage, mental health provisions, warrantless firearm seizures, ammunition sales checks, as well as the key registration requirement. Tellingly, NONE of the provisions, even if followed exactly by the madman, would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook.

 

“Many people have been calling for a full repeal of the SAFE Act. It would appear the people have just bypassed the legislature and simply repealed it on their own,” said Tom King, of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. Communities and LEOs outside of New York City seem to be ignoring or openly challenging the Governor’s draconian law.

While we cannot tell New York’s residents to resist this unjust law – that would be illeeeeeeegal – we can certainly applaud the State’s residents who are adhering to Thomas Jefferson’s words; “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

 

Rob- 950 THOUSAND New York gun owners told the Governor to shove it.  Cuomo is only the Governor of Albany and New York city, but not the rest of the state.
More Anti-Gun Stupidity

Leading Democrat adviser Bob Shrum led with his tongue when he opined that the Emanuel shooting would have been a “horror” if the black parishioners were armed. On MSNBC’s The Ed Show, Shrum said QUOTE “I cannot imagine the horror that could have occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started, and you have a full-scale gunfight.” END QUOTE

The mind boggles. Experience shows that resisting a madman significantly decreases the death toll. Even if unsuccessful, the nine still would have died. And the concealed carrier would have died on their feet, rather than on their knees.

Taking Shrum at his word, the advisor to Teddy Kennedy, Carter, Gore and Kerry would rather see the parishioners completely disarmed, defenseless and good little victims, rather than fighting for their lives. As insane as this sounds, this IS one of the anti’s core beliefs. They believe that it is somehow morally preferable to be the victim, rather than acting in self-defense. As rational beings, we absolutely reject this dehumanizing belief.

 

Rob- Gun prohibition is a superstition, and the anti-rights advocates live in a fantasy world.

Bill to Restrict Home Assembled Firearms Proposed
Another in our Cavalcade of Legislative Stupidity, this one somehow not authored by Carolyn Maloney, is the Home-Assembled Firearms Restriction Act of 2015. This bill would prohibit of the sale of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machine gun parts kits (what?) and prohibit the marketing of the items on any medium of electronic communications. The parts would be banned as hazardous products under the Consumer Product Safety Act. Enforcement would come via the Federal Trade Commission. It would eliminate the home hobbyist who assembles a completely legal firearm out of commercially available parts.

The bill mentions semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic pistols, and is an unique thrust in the effort to disarm Americans. Our response should be the same. However, the amount of tar and feathers involved would certainly be an environmental disaster.  HR- 376

 

Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Not all legislation sinks to the level of Carolyn Maloney or Mario Cuomo. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) recently introduced H.R. 2611, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act.” This bill would reverse the Obama/ Kerry State Department’s decision blocking the reimportation of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from South Korea. The completely legal firearms would then be sold commercially to the American people. The Obama administration also opposes legislation to allow the CMP to sell the Army’s excess 1911s. All these firearms were paid for by the American taxpayer, and we would like to remind our rulers that we own them.

You can contact your U.S. Representative to support this legislation by using the NRA/ILA’s  “Write Your Lawmakers” tool or calling (202) 224-3121.  You can also register your opinion at Popvox.com

 

 

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker To Sign Two Bills Expanding Gun Rights

In a clear victory for gun-rights advocates, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed bills to eliminate the state’s 48-hour waiting period for gun purchases and to allow off-duty police officers to carry concealed weapons on public school grounds.

Congratulations Cheese-Heads!

Rob-  Let me get this right.  The school staff would call the police if the school was attacked.  They call the police because the police carry guns and could stop the attack.  Somehow, this bill was considered a great act of political courage to allow the police to carry their guns in school before the attack?  This is not a moment for congratulations but for shame.  I want to find the idiot politician who told the police they could not go armed in our public schools.

 

No guns in Post Office parking lots

(Denver, Colorado) – In yet another decision that thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court’s landmark D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago rulings, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the Second Amendment does not protect gun rights outside of one’s home. The case, Bonidy v. United States Postal Service, challenged the statute (39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l),) which prohibits the storage and carriage of firearms on USPS property. The district court decision found that the law was unconstitutional as applied to its prohibition on guns in parking lots, but not the ban on carry inside government buildings.

 

Gary – As I was reading this my thought was what about the people that are walking to all prohibited locations. Don’t they have the right to self-defense?

 

Gun Quotes  No Kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. James Burgh

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham- http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/miss-police-open-carry-laws-kept-us-from-arresting-shotgun-toting-man-who-terrorized-walmart-shoppers/?utm_content=buffer62f47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

http://www.wxxv25.com/news/local/story/Gulfport-Police-Arrest-Two-Men-in-Walmart/OpGpr3m360eVCbs98-AZ9w.cspx

 

“The possession, carrying and use of firearms require not only training and skill, but intelligence and responsibility. When persons act with deficiency in intelligence and responsibility, it can be both dangerous and unlawful.” Police Chief Leonard Papania of Gulfport, MS said.

 

Doug Ritter–  http://kniferights.org/ at 4 central time

Doug Ritter is Chairman and Executive Director of knife rights.  Welcome back to the show, Doug.  Knife rights are never safe when the legislature is in session.  You’ve had some wonderful successes this year.  Please tell our listeners about them.

Maine, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas pre-emption.

 

Knife with a CCW, so you could carry a gun.. but not a knife in Illinois?

 

Work to do in New York, even when republicans did not support a pro-knife bill.  Massachusetts, New Jersey,

 

What do you think of Evan Nappen’s book.

 

Carl Chinnhttp://www.carlchinn.com/ at 4:30 central time.

You’ve studied violence in Churches.  You were on the scene for a violent attack in the lobby of Focus on the Family.  You also were working at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs when it was attacked.  Since then you’ve kept an exhaustive list of violent attacks that occur on church property.

 

Tell us about the path a church takes to address physical security.  What are the steps to success?  I’m guessing the subject gets brought to the church board or leadership team.  What happens next?

 

Is an active defense similar to concerns the church already faces such as medical first responders and physical security?

The church leadership gathers information to understand the problem?

They select staff to address it?

Staff brings them a proposal?

Outside training?

On site training?

Ongoing recruitment?

What does the church have to do to succeed long term?

 

I was at a large local church, and to put one security person behind each gathering would take 20 volunteers.  What about the men’s group that meets mid week?  The new mom’s group?  A successful church is filled with life all the time.  That means you need volunteers from every group.

 

We’ve had almost a thousand attacks on churches in the last 5 years.  To me that is a wake up call.  Talk about the pastors and leadership teams who won’t address security.  What excuses do they use to justify inaction?

 

Why do security teams fail long term?

 

Dan Roberts-

New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney faces a well deserved recall drive that started yesterday.  An hour after the New Jersey Second Amendment Society announced where they would rally to start the recall, the venue owner called them up and cancelled on them.  They had that venue and date reserved for the last two months.  Several other venues refused the group fearing political retribution from the democrat controlled bureaucrats.

 

350 people showed up to collect signatures.  It was raining on the signature gatherers as they went house to house.  Many homes were empty  since the power has been out in some areas for several days.  Surprisingly, some union members and government employees were eager to sign the recall while anyone who needed a permit to operate their business refused to sign.  About a quarter of the people on the list signed the petition to recall Senator Sweeney.

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”  and New Jersey citizens are afraid of their government.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Domino’s Driver Shoots Assailant  
Just after midnight, a Hollywood, Florida Domino’s driver was forced to defend his life with a firearm. Two men attacked the driver in a robbery attempt. The driver pulled his gun and fired six shots at the men, killing one of them. Breitbart News reports that at least eight Domino’s drivers had been shot–three of those killed–since the start of 2012. Many more have been assaulted, kidnapped or raped.

Domino’s Pizza will not comment on the ongoing investigation. Domino’s continues their policy of barring drivers from being armed for self-defense. We continue to feel there are other pizza restaurants.

Benihana Shoot-Out
The North Dallas Benihana’s parking lot was the scene of an armed robbery and  shootout this week. Two people were leaving the upscale Japanese restaurant when they were approached by a man asking for a lighter. The man then slipped on a mask and pulled a gun from his waistband. A victim retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and six to eight shots were exchanged. The robber was pronounced dead at an area hospital, the victim is in stable condition.

Both men were young black males. It is not known if this was a targeted crime or random. Police are focusing on a white Camaro in the parking lot, found with a handgun nearby. Neither police nor Benihana employees are forthcoming. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Homeowner Shoot Armed Car Burglar
A Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was forced to shoot a car burglar in self defense.  The man challenged a thief burglarizing his car. The thief pulled a gun and the  car owner pulled one right back and shot. The thief ran away and was arrested in an area hospital. The DA will decide if charges will be pressed against the car owner.

Police Arrive to Find a Hog-Tied Suspect
While not strictly a DGU, the following shows that we are the weapon, the gun – or a vase – are the tools.

A Kenosha, Wisconsin man heard “that noise” very early in the morning. He found a man climbing through an upstairs window, who asked the home-owner if he wanted his grass cut. Justifiably outraged at the aggressive sales tactic, the homeowner brained the door-to-door salesman with a nearby vase. Police arrived to find the man hog-tied with a garden hose. The twenty-two year old is charged with burglary, theft and disorderly conduct. He is also the suspect in a recent string of local burglaries.

While we never want to be in a self-defense situation, the ability to smack a pushy salesman, even a pretend one, is certainly tempting.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

We had Jeff Street on the show before.  He and his wife offer free firearms training at their church.  They have a Special Event coming up in the Naples Florida area.

 

Jeff writes-
We will have a guest speaker Naples Criminal Defense Attorney Donald Day
He is also a “Self Defense Attorney” affiliated with the Armed Citizens Legal defense network.
The topic will be “Defending yourself in Florida with a Weapon: The Law from A-Z”.

When:
Tuesday July 21st 2015 from 6:30pm – 8:30pm

There is no charge but Donald asks that all make some contribution to the NRA or Sign up for the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.
Space is limited.  Call or text to make your reservations.  239-641-6140

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- It has been a busy week at the slow facts blog.  I wrote four articles covering the murders in Charleston and having guns in church.  I also posted a fairly long article talking about the marketing aspects of gun control.

 

Anti-rights advocates offer an emotional appeal to an idealized fantasy they call gun control. The ideology of disarmament has many aspects that make it easy to sell.

 

Those articles are up at Ammoland, Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look him up at not one more gun law dot blog spot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 286 – Jeff Knox and Carl Chinn

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 19, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Jeff Knox and Carl Chinn.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about background check statistics from Oregon, so climb aboard.
Rob, strap in
Rachel and hang on!  Episode 286 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I went to a county gun chapter meeting for Gun Owners of California last night.  That was here in San Diego, County.  Rachel, I talked about you.  I want my worst to be good enough.  I had a TV interview about California concealed carry.  That was an hour ago.  Does that count?  I’m getting a group of friends together to shoot Saturday.

John-My news is boring. I’ve been busy with work so haven’t been able to do any gun-related stuff. That and it is frigid cold here in North Carolina. It was 14 deg. here this morning.

Rachel- In spite of the cold weather, I truly enjoyed the Battle Road pistol course that my friends Mark and Mike taught for my group of friends. Seven of us spent two days at the Battle Road range training together, and it was time well spent. It’s been too long since I actually attended a full pistol course, and it was very good to devote concentrated time to personal improvement.

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The 16 gun stores in Los Angeles would be required to digitally report ammunition sale records to the city under a proposed ordinance backed Friday by the Los Angeles City Council’s Public Safety Committee.  The rationale behind the ordinance is that it takes police too long to have to comb through the paper records that are now required. LAPD says it has completed a pilot electronic reporting program at gun shops in the San Fernando Valley, and are ready to take the system citywide.   If approved by the full City Council, the measure would make it a misdemeanor crime when ammunition retailers fail to comply with the reporting requirements.  http://mynewsla.com/government/2014/11/14/proposed-ordinance-says-gun-stores-digitally-required-report-sales/

-We now have the statistics from the Oregon State Police.  They released the data on their background check system for firearms.  You can see for yourself that the public isn’t safer after this monumental effort. The state police processed 19,901 background checks in October.

Not one of them was arrested because they were a felon or otherwise prohibited from buying a firearm. Five were arrested, but we don’t know why. Eight people were denied for reasons of “mental health” but, as we have seen in the past, sometimes the police have no idea why these people have mental health holds. None of the eight were taken into custody.  Not a one.

36 of the denials resulted in “Investigation Complete, No Action.” So almost 20% of the denials were clearly against people who should not have been denied in the first place.

196 sales were “denied.” Remember, these are the background checks that the anti-rights groups claim will save us from all evil.

http://www.oregonfirearms.org/numbers-another-embarrassment

-Continuing on with Oregon, it appears that Gov. John Kitzhaber and the Democratic majority in the Oregon House and Senate are going to make another run at universal background checks.  Sen. Ginny Burdick (D-Portland) says that “We have a working majority for background checks.” Currently, Oregon requires background checks for sales by a gun dealer or at a gun show. It is unclear if the as of yet unwritten legislation will just cover sales or will include transfers. The effort for background checks fell short in the last session of the Oregon legislature.

-I’m sorry, but the stupid runs deep.. in England.  The Lancashire Constabulary is promoting the ‘Save a Life, Surrender Your Knife’ campaign.  Lancashire officers have now given their backing to a national initiative designed to raise awareness of knife crime and encourage the surrender of dangerous weapons.  http://www.lancashire.police.uk/about-us/news/save-a-life–surrender-your-knife

-The ten worst anti-knife cities stand out for their outright persecution of honest knife owners and extraordinarily restrictive anti-knife ordinances, far more severe than even the state laws in those areas. All too often this results in unwary citizens being subject to arrest and prosecution, and loss of their knives, for having a knife that is perfectly legal elsewhere in the state.

  1.    New York, NY (majority of pocketknives will result in arrest, aggressive persecution of

knife owners, over 60,000 to date)

  1.    Philadelphia, PA (all knives are illegal to carry except when actually in use on the job)
  2.    Ocean City, MD (many common pocketknives are illegal, Catch 22 traps many citizens)
  3.    San Antonio, TX (all locking-blade pocketknives knives are illegal to carry except on the job)
  4.    Rocky River, OH (2.5-inch blade limit)
  5.    Boston, MA (2.5-inch blade carry limit, including in any vehicle)
  6.    Cleveland, OH (2.5-inch blade carry limit, registration of any sale or gift of a longer bladed knife)
  7.    Chicago, IL  (2.5-inch blade concealed carry limit, 2-inch blade limit for 18 and under, but

minor cannot legally obtain any knife)

  1.    Corpus Christi, TX (illegal to carry any fixed blade knife or a folder with a blade longer than

3-inches except when actually in use on the job)

  1.   Aspen, CO (Any concealed knife is illegal to carry in public)

More details on each of the 10 worst cities’ knife restrictions can be found at: www.KnifeRights.org/10WorstBest2014

-Continuing on with stupid, the fallout from Washington State’s I-594 continues. The Lynden Pioneer Museum of Bellingham is returning 11 World War 2 era rifles to their owners because they would be in violation of the new law if they hadn’t performed background checks on the transfer. The firearms were part of the museum’s display entitled, “Over the Beach – The WWII Pacific Theater.”

– We discussed the layoffs at the Remington Arms factory in Ilion, New York last week. The New York Daily News is reporting that Remington CEO George Kollitides told New York officials in a recent letter that one of the major reasons that they expanded in Huntsville, Alabama was because of “state policies affecting use of our product.” – in other words, because of the New York SAFE Act which forbids the sales of AR-15s made at the Ilion plant in New York State. The Cuomo administration denies the SAFE Act had any impact saying that Remington is consolidating operations from around the country in Alabama.

-This is a story of what not to do. Colorado Springs police responded to a 9-1-1 call reporting shots fired in a home. They arrived to find three people in the basement of the house. Two were taking turns shooting at glass bottles while the third watched. Christian Clark, 28, and Codie Leslie, 23 were arrested and charged with prohibited use of weapons and reckless endangerment. Police say they had also been drinking.

John – comment – I always thought a basement shooting range would be the coolest thing to have in a house but I wouldn’t be drinking and shooting glass bottles if I had one!

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Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper said he’s willing to talk about the possibility of teachers carrying guns in Colorado schools. “I’m certainly open to that discussion,” he said during an interview with CBS4. “The ability of people to defend themselves in a world that increasingly looks chaotic (is important). There is not a parent in this state that doesn’t want to make sure we’re doing everything possible to make their kid safe.” This is somewhat surprising given the amount of money he has taken from Bloomberg to sign gun-control laws in 2013 that limited the capacity of magazines and expanded background checks for firearm purchases. Those two pieces of legislation – and the fallout from them – almost cost Hickenlooper his re-election.

-We had John Pierce on to talk about the new constitutional amendment in Alabama.  Here is a related story out of Louisiana.  Brandon LeBlanc is a human rights advocate and I salute him.  Brandon is taking aim at the Abbeville, Louisiana ordinance that forbids carrying any weapon.  In particular, Mr. DeBlanc is fighting Abbeville’s anti-gun ordinance.

Because Louisiana is an open carry state and has strict scrutiny review of self-defense, Brandon open carries and started a petition protesting the city’s ordinance.  Since then, he has gone to the mayor’s office to try to get the issue on the city council’s agenda.  “The response was, it’s going to take more than once person’s demand for it to removed for us to anything about it,” LeBlanc said.

Typically someone has to be arrested before the law will change.  If it does go to court because they want to make a test case, then they would claim that they are, that it’s protected behavior under the Louisiana Constitution, and they would very likely win and, at that point, they would strike down that law.”

http://www.katc.com/news/carrying-a-gun-is-illegal-in-some-acadiana-cities/

A lawsuit was filed Friday in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Attorney General Eric Holder and BATFE Director B. Todd Jones seeking to invalidate the Hughes Amendment. The Hughes Amendment ban the transfer or possession of any machine gun made after May 1986.  Ryan  Watson and the Watson Family Gun Trust are seeking the injunction. A similar action in Texas was filed on October 30 in the case of Hollis v. Holder. This latest action differs from the first in that Watson is subject to an actual taking resulting from actions performed under authorization of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.. Mr. Watson had sought and received permission to manufacture a machine gun on behalf of the trust. They later rescinded the approval and ordered him to surrender the machine gun.

Gun Quotes

“If ever a time should come when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

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Segment 3 Interviews

We think of religious centers as being above our daily problems.  We see them as spiritual sanctuary and a place of peace.  Carl, is that accurate?

What sort of problems to churches, synagogues, mosques and temples see?
Churches vary enormously.  They may only gather a few families on Sunday, or have thousands of people on campus every day.
Focus on the Family
New Life Church in Colorado Springs
Deadly force events in churches are the rule, not the exception.
Any Questions, you guys?
The first mass murder in a church was in 1963.  There have been 11 since.
When do pastors recognize the need for physical security?  How could a pastor manage the security for a small community like that?
Insurance companies help the churches form their security solutions.  Chuck Chadwick has lots of experience.  So does Bob Clamser- Crisis consulting international.  Dave Grossman.
What sort of events does church security have to handle?
Missionaries often leave vulnerable areas.  Missionaries forget the difficulty of working in remote areas.
What was your experience at New Life?
We don’t hear about violence in church very often.  How common is that?  (your historical data)
How has the religious community learned from your experience? (your book and classes)
Who is leading the religious security movement?  (Names, websites, courses)
Is that where we should send our pastor for more information?  Brotherhood Mutual Insurance has some free information!
Where can people find out more?
What are your next classes/books/seminars?
Close, thank you, and mention your website again.  http://www.carlchinn.com/Home_Page.html
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Jeff Knox – http://www.burr.senate.gov/public/

Background checks cover the population of new York city, 15-20 million people each year, in order to apprehend 15 to 20 people per year.  We are wasting our effort and ignoring good police methods.
http://www.wnd.com/author/jknox/

Segment 4 DGUs
-A husband and wife returned home Friday night in Hartford, Alabama.  A group of armed men approached the couple and attempted to rob them.  The husband was a licensed concealed carry holder.  He feared for his safety and the safety of his wife.  He shot one of the robbers in the face.  The others fled.  The police chief said she did not expect to file charges against the couple. http://bearingarms.com/picking-wrong-target-concealed-carrier-puts-bullet-armed-robbers-nose/

Note that the numerically larger group would presumably have been able to do whatever they wanted to the couple if the husband had not been armed.

An armed customer in an Indianapolis pawn shop shot and killed an armed robber on Tuesday. The robber first brandished his firearm and then engaged in a gun battle with the customer. Indianapolis Metro Police identified the robber as Tyerre Allen, 25, who had recently been released from incarceration in an Indiana State Prison for – wait for it – robbery. Allen is also a suspect in other robberies in the Indianapolis area. Police have refused to identify the customer who is reportedly traumatized by the whole incident and fears retaliation. Police will be presenting the evidence to the local prosecutor’s office.

A Cleveland, Ohio homeowner confronted a burglar in his home near midday on Tuesday. The homeowner ended up shooting the burglar in the ear and the back. The burglar is in stable condition at MetroHealth Medical Center. While police confiscated the homeowner’s firearm as evidence, they have not charged him with any crime.

Jessica Hopper, 32, of Garvin County, Oklahoma had been arrested last week in the shooting death of her boyfriend Felix “Hammer”  Williams. Police had found him dead of a gunshot wound when they arrived on the scene. However, Ms. Hopper was cleared after police investigators listened to the open line 9-1-1 call which corroborated her story of self-defense. Ms. Hopper had called police due to a domestic argument. Williams then threatened her with a gun for calling police. When he put the gun down in another room, she picked it up so he couldn’t use it on her. This enraged Williams who started hitting Ms. Hopper whereupon she fatally shot him.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

This is an e-mail from John in Texas.

I have been thinking about the dilemma of what happened in Washington (state) and what’s on tap for Nevada. I was listening to John Lott on Armed American Radio tonight. Dr Lott is calling the money it will take to go through a FFL to do a firearms transfer a tax. We need to equate these transfer taxes to poll taxes. There may be a legal challenge to these transfer laws on that basis alone.

Also the public was duped by false information in their statements and advertisements. Could we pass laws in state legislatures punishing false ads by making the misleader pay for equal advertising time to allow for the record to be corrected. It would also put a restraining order against a law that passes under false pretenses. The state Supreme Court would have jurisdiction over any claims.

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Rachel- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a short post this morning about changes in carry law in, of all places, Russia. Believe it or not, but Russia has better carry laws than New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and probably most of California. They  just amended their laws to include “self-defense” as a valid reason to carry licensed weapons. Politicians in the US should be ashamed that Russians have more rights to carry than many Americans..

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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