Episode 240 – Vinnie Brown

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 31st, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on today’s episode we have a discussion about veterans issues and the state of the nation’s defense.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul and hang on! Episode 240 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- Rachel is busy saving Texas at the largest political convention in the world, the republican party convention in Fort Worth, Texas.

Rob- I went out to the desert to shoot my Mosin Nagant. The mojo sights work, but they swim in the desert heat. I really need a limbsaver butt pad. I have a rubber pad, but I come home looking like my shoulder went to a bar fight and got stepped on. I hit a rock behind the cardboard target and turned it to gravel. I have to bed the barrel to get minute of accuracy, but I’m at minute of pig already.

I had fun asking a dozen firearms instructors about guns and alcohol. Their answers will make it into the midweeks show’s tips and tricks segment.

I signed up to coach at an NRA Women on Target event.

John – About the only thing I did gun related since Wednesday was look at the empty spot where .22 LR ammo used to be at WalMart. I spoke to the clerk who said they hadn’t had any in for the last 3 weeks. However, we have a new Dicks opening up on Friday and I plan to hit it when it opens even though they waffled on the 2A after Newtown.

Gary- playing catch up in the store. Lots of local orders.

Paul- Training a student driver in the truck. Got home at 5AM.

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Rob- There are rules for the rich and famous, and there are separate rules for the rest of the students at Brown University.  Actress Emma Watson graduated from Brown this week.  Sitting next to her was a personal bodyguard wearing a cap and gown.. and open carrying a pistol.  So far, so good, except this is a gun-free zone.  Providence Rhode Island police and Brown university confirmed that the bodyguard was not working for them.  This means you get to break the law if you are one of the rich and famous.  This means campus security will call out the SWAT team and arrest you if you are a young woman working late nights delivering pizza while carrying a sidearm for personal protection.. unless you can afford your own private security detail.  I have no problem with the bodyguard carrying firearms.  I have a problem with Brown denying self-protection to everyone else.  When asked, spokesmen for Brown University and Watson’s publicist refused to comment.

Comments-  Is this what it boils down to?  We’re too important to arrest, and we can cause you more trouble than you can cause for us.

Paul- Governor Eddie Calvo signed “shall issue” into law for the US territory of Guam.  The bill covers all weapons including firearms, grants a permit for three years, and requires a written excuse for denial.  Guam was covered by the 9th circuit courts Peruta decision.  The territory of Guam joins the 40 states who are already shall issue.  Too bad for the ten who are slow to learn.  Six states allow bureaucrats to arbitrarily deny concealed carry. They are Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.

Comments- Rob, I’m coming to respect the legislators in Guam a lot more than I do the legislators in California where I live.

John- The power to regulate is the power to destroy.  That is why banks have to listen when the Department of Justice under Operation “choke point” advised banks to refuse accounts to certain business.. businesses such as firearms and ammunition dealers. Also targeted were porn stars, payday lenders, and online lending. The DOJ took a FDIC memo about “high risk activity” and started issuing subpoenas improperly under the a section of the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 according to a report issued Thursday by the House Oversight Committee.

That is what happened to Mark Cohen, the owner of Powderhorn Outfitters located in Hyannis, Massachusetts.  The company had done business with TD Bank for years, but were denied a line of credit even though their finances were good and their credit history was spotless.  The bank said they could not approve credit because Powderhorn Outfitters sells guns.

Comment- Rob- so the federal government is for sale and each party in power gets to abuse everyone else.  Well that stinks and we should take away Barack’s phone and his pen.

John- The US House of Representatives took steps in that direction on Thursday when they passed an amendment to stop all federal funding used for the Department of Justice’s Operation Choke Point.

The amendment was brought to the floor by Rep. Blane Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, who is a member of the House Financial Services Committee and is vice chairman of the House Small Business Committee. The amendment was sponsored by three democrats and two more republicans. The voice vote came as part of the debate on the annual spending bill for the Justice Department and needs Senate approval to become law.

Rob- Two House Democrats introduced legislation Friday to deny firearms to more people.  Representatives Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) and Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) want to prohibit

gun purchases and firearms ownership to those convicted of misdemeanor stalking, as well as those receiving involuntary mental health services on an outpatient basis.  Both categories would go into a newly formed FBI database.

*** Comments-  Good that a conviction is required rather than merely the accusation of stalking.  The accusation of stalking is often used as lawfare during divorce.

Bad that the legislation will scare people away from seeking treatment for mental health conditions.  Note that you need not be found to be a harm to yourself or others, and the category could be misused to include someone who was hospitalized for an unfavorable drug interaction.

Rob- That is exactly what has happened to some California gun owners.

I did not see an appeals process once you are on the data base, nor if the ban was temporary or applied for a lifetime.

Paul- So the government that can’t find 10 million illegal aliens says it will find 100 million firearms.  Did I tell you that the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s office forgot to look for the Santa Barbara murderer’s name on the list of firearms owners?  Yhep, that’s true even though law enforcement was called by the killer’s parents and his mental health counselors who were worried he was suicidal.

Comment- Rob- According to California legislators, the cure to fix big unresponsive government is more laws and  more government.

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John- The Louisiana legislature passed, and Governor Bobby Jindal signed into law a bill allowing suppressors to be used to take both game and nongame animals.  This allows farmers and ranchers to hunt nongame animals with suppressed firearms.  Think of a rancher shooting a predator like a coyote at dusk when he doesn’t want to frighten his herd.  He also doesn’t want to scare off the second predator.  Montana is the only state that forbids using suppressors to take nongame animals.

Rob- I always wondered why pig and coyote hunters didn’t use suppressed firearms.  I’m sure the farmers and their neighbors appreciate it.

Paul- Life is hard.. but it is harder when you’re stupid.  The chain of Sonic drive-through restaurants proudly announced that it is a gun-free company as of last Friday.  They asked their customers not to carry, and the corporate management forbids their employees from carrying on premises.  Within hours, one of their employees was robbed delivering food to a customer in Topeka, Kansas.

Comment- John- Maybe gun free zones are dangerous.

Rob- Doctor John Lott asked the question, “How can we prevent mass murderers?”  We have part of the answer from the Santa Barbara murderer himself.  This crazy man spent over 18 months meticulously planning his attack.  His 141-page “manifesto”  (link to searchable PDF) makes it clear he feared someone with a gun could stop him before he was able to kill as many as he wanted.  Here is one section where he considers when and where to attack.

Quote “Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street.  I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event.  It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.”

He told us that mass murderers fear honest men with guns.  That is why the murderer attacked disarmed citizens in a “gun-free” zone next to campus.

Comment-  John-  Yhep, gun-free zones ARE dangerous.

John- The Santa Barbara murderer thought women were supposed to act like pornstars and sleep with him.  His “manifesto” documents how much he hated the women who wouldn’t.  Wanting to shame both men and firearms in one lie, the anti-gun group Moms Demand Action made up data and said that US women make up the vast majority of those women killed with firearms.  Doctor Lott dug up the real data and called the Bloomberg group a bunch of liars.Lott chart woman percent

Comment- Rob- Please support Doctor Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center with a monthly donation.  I did.

Paul- Here is our daily gun quote, and this one is by Ann Coulter.  She said, “The most crazed religious fanatic argues in more calm and reasoned tones than liberals responding to statistics on concealed-carry permits.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Paul and Gary discuss Vinnie.
Rob- This DGU was e-mailed in by listener Scott Gibbons. I’ve met Scott, so thank you.

A 28 year old marine veteran sat down to lunch in north Harris county, Texas when he noticed two men dressed in hoodies with bandanas over their faces running from a GameStop video center.  They were stuffing cash, video games and X-boxes into their car trunk.  The marine walked out to his truck when one of the robbers pointed a gun at him.  The marine has his Texas Concealed Handgun License and was carrying.  He shot the robber and the robber fled to his getaway car.  The second criminal simply turned and headed the other way.  Bystanders reported the criminal stripping off his hoodie and bandana as he ran.  The first robber died at the scene while the second was picked up by police in a nearby shopping center.

Police investigators released the veteran after questioning.  He was not hurt but was still shaken up by the experience.  Bystanders said, “This is our neighborhood and I just want to say thank you. My kids go in that Gamestop.”

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John- Three men knocked on an apartment door early Thursday morning.  The resident answered her door in the Laurel Ridge Apartments of East Point, Georgia.  The men claimed they were with the East Point Police Department, and they tried to force their way into the apartment when the women cracked the door to look.  One of the intruders had a gun, but the resident was ready with her own handgun.  She fired three times and struck one of the teens in the head and buttocks.  Police captured the injured teen, but his accomplices escaped.

Neighbors were glad their neighbor was armed.

Comment-  The neighbors were tired of the crime.

Paul- This DGU couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.  On the west side of Detroit, two criminals were robbing and beating their victim late Monday night.  One of the criminals was busy pistol whipping the the victim when the gun went off and struck the other criminal in the neck.  The Detroit News doesn’t report if the wounded criminal died at the scene or was transported to the hospital.

Comment- Rob- They pass a handful of new laws if a nut shoots white kids in California.  Then the media and legislators yawn about brown people getting shot in Detroit and Chicago.

John- Call them murders, not shootings.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Gary: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politesocietypodcast.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

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John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – Despite the obvious relevance of my post about gun shot wounds infected with “squirrel parts”, I think I’ll just mention a post from this morning. Friday, the White House Press Secretary Jay Carney resigned and was replaced by Josh Earnest. While he does not appear to be anywhere near as smarmy as Jay Carney – and it would be a hard thing to do – of more concern to us in the gun culture is one of Earnest’s former jobs. He was a communications advisor to Mayor Bloomberg back when Bloomberg first ran for office. Earnest bears watching.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 239 – Rant about the Santa Barbara Murders

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, May28th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have a rant about the murders in Santa Barbara
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 239 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m wrapping up the school year, getting ready for my sister’s graduation in West Texas, and working like crazy getting ready for the Texas State Republican convention next week. It’s the largest political gathering in the world. I’ll be there all week, so stop by the Rules Committee meetings and say hello.
John: Pass
Rob: Dry practice
Gary: chat about first trip with granddaughters to Fort Snelliing National Cemetery – and finding lost relatives.

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Rachel- comments on the Texas elections
Turnout for primary elections is typically low. The same goes for run-off elections. How about a primary run-off? Around 5% of Texas’ registered voters made it out for several statewide races and another handful of local races. The gun groups’ top pick for Lt. Governor (the president of the Senate) didn’t make it to this run-off, and most gun rights people were disappointed with the two choices we were given. We ended up kicking out the current guy, Dewhurst. We’ll see how the new one does. We did have an unfortunate loss in a house race: TJ Fabby, whom I’ve dubbed the Constitutional Carry Candidate, lost his election in the primary run-off yesterday. Now we’re going to have to work harder than ever for strong gun legislation next session.

We did have some wins, though! This primary season, we’ve thrown out several incumbents and will be replacing them with more liberty-minded reps. That should help.

Rob: Here is my rant on the Santa Barbara murders.

This is an un-teachable moment.  A young man stabbed three people on Friday.  He hit several people with his car and shot three people next to the University of California Santa Barbara campus.  This should teach us what makes us safe and what doesn’t.  This event should teach us.  The sad news is we don’t want to learn.

In his published statements, a pampered murdering son blames everyone for his failures. everyone except himself.  He drives an expensive car and lives a luxurious life he didn’t earn.  He writes about hating his parents and wanting to stab his step mother and half brother.  The murder’s father said he hates guns and wants better mental health treatment.. for his son who has been in therapy since he was eight years old.  A father of one of the victims blames the NRA and politicians who allowed guns into the world.. while his son was killed in a gun-free zone.

Do you notice a pattern here?  The father blames mental illness.  The victims father blames guns and the NRA.  The son blamed others for his problems.  Unfortunately, we are also part of that same pattern.  We refuse to learn from past mistakes and we blame others instead of providing real solutions.  Let’s stop placing blame.

Instead, let me describe the next public murder for you.

  • The murderer has a narcissistic personality and demands attention.  He wants his name in the news and will kill to get it there.
  • The attack is launched against people in a gun free zone because narcissists don’t like competition.
  • The murderer has mental health issues and is probably be on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a doctor.
  • The murderer is enthralled by violent video games and spends a lot of his time playing them.
  • There are warning signs, and they are ignored.

Making predictions about the media’s reaction to the next public murder is too easy.  Liberal media will blame the NRA and lax gun laws even though the murders took place in gun-control paradise.

This crime took place in an anti-gun state, in an anti-gun county, in an anti-gun school zone.  This crime should have been impossible if gun control actually worked.  Evidence screams that gun control doesn’t work, but we won’t learn from our mistakes.  Instead, liberal politicians will double down on gun-control and claim it is for the children.  The media will support them.

Here comes the new tragedy, same as the old tragedy.. until we learn.  <Rant off>

Rachel-  Documents indicate he planning the murders over the last 5 months.

Gary: Joe the plumber comment – will comment on this.

John – From Tam at View from the Porch is probably the best comment on how the media reacts: “So there’s a “mass* shooting” that would have been a page three wet firecracker in Compton, but do it to some cracker kids from the ‘burbs serving their four years at the Special Snowflake Warehouse & Indoc Center and the nation just loses its collective $#!+.

Apparently busting caps in three people’s asses isa lot bigger deal if you do it out the window of an ’08 Bimmer instead of a ’94 Caprice.”

Rachel- By Saturday morning the Moms Demand more money group on Facebook had many posts  blaming the NRA.  They are blaming the NRA for the murders committed by a confirmed anti-gun hollywood sociopath.  Any excuse will do.

Comments.  Rob: They blame the biggest firearms safety organization in the country.  Now that is stupid.

John- The 22 year old murderer purchased his firearms legally in California and passed three background checks as an adult.   He was not a prohibited person even though he received numerous requests by his family for police to visit the student and perform a wellness check.  This after he had been in therapy since he was 8 years old and was now seeing multiple therapists.  One of the therapists works for the Los Angeles County Department of Family and Child Services. California law applies, so I hope the therapists are very well insured.

Gary- This murder is similar to others.  The murderers at the elementary school at Sandy Hook, Connecticut, at the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, at the Washington Navy Yard, and at Fort Hood were equally crazy.. and all of them passed background checks because they were not prohibited persons.  We simply have no way to anticipate violence.

Rachel- That doesn’t stop the politicians.  Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut and Representative Peter King from Long Island, New York called for stricter firearms legislation after the California murders.   Quote, “Obviously, not every kind of gun violence is going to be prevented by laws out of Washington, but at least we can make a start.”

Really, Senator?  Really, Congressman?  After passing some 23 thousand laws restricting firearms, I kind of hoped you’d be done by now and we could finally see the beneficial results you promised from gun control.  As far as I and the researchers can tell, the beneficial effects of gun control are always one more law away.. and always will be.  They didn’t slow this murderer down, and the next law won’t either.

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Gary- Background checks don’t stop murderers and they don’t bother criminals.  Thieves targeted Florida gun owners in their search to illegally acquire guns.  Four cars were broken into during broad daylight in a high traffic parking area for a central Florida gun show.  Thieves made off with guns, ammo, cameras, and other items while causing thousands of dollars in damage to the vehicles.  I guess the thieves aren’t going the legal route and submitted to those background checks the anti-gunners are so proud of.

Comment- Rob, that doesn’t stop the anti-gunners from claiming gun registration and background checks are wonderful.

John- The media loves a good massacre, and loves to ignore one.  In Chicago late last month, 39 people were shot in one weekend.  That is predominantly black-on-black crime and ignored by our national media.  Instead the media focuses on the sizzle of a sociopathic pampered playboy driving a BMW in California.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Mayor Rahm Emanuel is proposing a far-reaching ordinance that would keep gun stores out of 99.5 percent of Chicago.  It also requires stores to videotape every sale.  They also would have to get the police to approve a security plan before they could open their doors.  What stupid federal judge allowed Chicago politicians to make those rules?

Gary: do we have his name.

Rob- There may be a limit to the stupidity of New Jersey politicians, but not much.  It appears the magazine capacity bill that limited magazine capacity to 10 rounds now exempts tube fed 22 rifles.  I don’t know how they made that change after the bill went through committee, but breaking the law would never bother a Jersey politician.

John- This news is right out of the Acorn Scandal.  Anti-gun lawmakers in Rhode Island wrote a 10 percent sales tax on guns and ammunition.  That is an additional ten percent on top of the existing federal, state and local taxes.  These tax proceeds are supposed to go to law enforcement, except law enforcement is allowed to give the money to non-profit anti-gun groups.  These are the same anti-gun groups who donate to anti-gun politicians.

The anti-gun politicians just wrote themselves a campaign donation with taxpayers money.  Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago machine would be proud.. or envious.

Comment- If you wanted to promote gun safety you’d give the money to the NRA.

Rachel- There is some good news down south.  Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal signed two firearms bills into law.  The first allows concealed carry holders to enter a restaurant where liquor is sold, though they can not drink alcohol.  The law also allows current and retired law enforcement officers, judges and district attorneys to carry concealed in bars.  There are laws for them and separate laws for us.

The second law expands the castle doctrine.  Louisiana already protected the homeowner from being sued if they killed a criminal breaking into their home or car.  The new law prevents suit if the criminal is only injured.

Rob- Here is a bit of good sense from Georgia.  Appling, Georgia to be exact.  Citizens interested in learning how to safely carry, handle and shoot their handguns were invited to the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office Citizen’s Firearms Academy. The free class was held on Saturday at the sheriff’s Training Center.

The class informed citizens about firearms laws in Georgia, and developed marksmanship and safety skills. Georgia has new open carry laws and there was a live-fire portion of the class as well.  Georgia listeners can follow the link in our show notes to look into the next class.

John- Texas is far from perfect.  Amelia Pickens called police about a car she suspected had hit her daughter’s car.  Arlington police officer Phil Hill arrived and two of the car’s occupants were ultimately arrested, one for an outstanding warrant and one for possession of a controlled substance.

When Amelia handed over her license and proof of insurance, she explained she had a CHL as required by Texas law.  That was when Officer Hill seized her purse and confiscated her firearm.

Pickens said, “I’m disabled. My husband goes out of town quite frequently. I have to be able to defend myself.  There should have been no reason why at all that he took my gun. I didn’t do anything bad with my gun.  I didn’t brandish it. I didn’t even say I had a gun.  The only time my gun was mentioned was when the officer asked me for my drivers license and insurance. I have to show my CHL at that particular point.”

It sounds like Arlington Police need a law suit, a monetary judgement, and some serious retraining.

Gun Quote of the day
Rob- Criminals obey gun laws like politicians follow their oaths of office.. source unknown.
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Rob- A 22 year old man in Orosi, California heard someone trying to enter his home at 5:30 in the morning.  His parents are farmworkers and had already left for the day, while he supervised his three younger siblings.  The 22 year old grabbed the family gun and traded shots when the thieves broke through the door.  He was shot multiple times, but Police found two suspects outside the home also suffering from gunshot wounds.  One died, and the other underwent surgery.

The young man who defended his family is expected to fully recover.  Police say there are still suspects at large and are seeking the driver of a gray Astro Van and they have the license number.

Comment- Rachel- As I tell my students, crime doesn’t make an appointment.  Carry or hope you guess right.

Rachel- Retired Police Officer Derek Bishop sat in a Mercedes in East New York at about 3:15 Tuesday morning.  Bishop works security at a nearby recycling plant when Manuel Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at Officer Bishop.  The thieves demanded his money and keys.  Bishop gave the pair some money, but they demanded more.  The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door and Manuel Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side.  That is when Officer Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head.  He died at the hospital.

“It’s not a good feeling to shoot anybody,” Bishop said Tuesday afternoon, tears streaming down his face. “It was just something that happened. I didn’t want to die. I wanted to be able to see my kids and my wife.”

Comment-  Rob, I have sympathy for the officer, but I also have sympathy for the rest of the legally disarmed civilians in NYC who deserve the right of self- defense so they too can go home and see their loved ones.

John -Two robbers entered the Wholesale Mattress Warehouse in Charlotte, North Carolina on Sunday afternoon.  The thief put a gun in the store owners face and demanded his cellphone and cash.  He threatened to kill him if he did not comply.  The store owner reached into the till and pulled out a gun of his own.  He shot one of the robbers and the robber fired back but didn’t hit the store owner.  The injured suspect was transported to Carolinas Medical Center with a bullet wound in his stomach.  The shooter is cooperating with investigators, police said.

Comment- Rob- Action beats reaction, but only if you practice.

Rob- This is a good week for defensive gun use with no shots fired.  For starters, 22 year old Jessica McDonald works at Discount Textbooks in Fort Dodge, Iowa. She had just opened the store at 9 in the morning when a man came in, put a bandana over his face and demanded money.  Jessica showed him the still empty till.  The robber came around behind the counter and repeated his demands.  That is when Jessica grabbed the gun kept behind the counter and pointed it at the thief.  She told him to leave the store as she backed away with the gun pointed at the man.

She said “I feel comfortable now using it, but I always said I never thought I would.  It was shocking to me when I started here that there is a gun and I always thought it was over the top and we didn’t need it, but I’m very glad that we have it.“

Store Manager Paul Tigges said the firearm was put there for employees’ safety.

The thief fled and the police do not have suspects in custody.

Comment- This is why you should carry.

Rachel- Two men repeatedly called a young woman in Salt Lake City, Utah.  After she stopped answering the phone, the two men, armed with guns, kicked in the door to her home.  The girl’s father grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruders who were young men he recognized.  The intruders fled.

The two men were quickly arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary and aggravated assault. They were booked into the Salt Lake County Jail.

Comment- These young men are lucky to be alive.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We’ll be right back after this advertisement and our tips and tricks segment on the four safety rules.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel: From Robert in New York
You did not list the New York state rifle and pistol association as a member of the NYSRPA . We need all the help we can get. With the states governor thinking he feels that he knows better than real people. You have to remember that he has never done an honest Day’s work he went from school right politics . And he has done a lousy job with anything he has done.

John: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politesocietypodcast.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

– You want craven, I’ll give you craven! Blood dancing by the anti’s to raise money and push gun control.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show, stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 238 – Memorial Day and Frank Fiamingo

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- Memorial day
Paul- mag 40 and the bucket list

John- I’m wearing my CalGuns Tee in honor of their latest lawsuit against Kamala Harris. I’d like to also like to remember those who have died in the service of our country. Without their sacrifice – and that of their families – we wouldn’t be the nation that we are.

Rachel- Last weekend, I visited the Silencer Shop here in Austin along with a friend who was picking up a suppressor he’s been waiting for five or six months. This week, a friend suggested I take a stress-relieving trip to the range (brilliant) – but the best I’ve been able to do is to wear my T-shirt that says “Bullets Make Me Happy” and dream about shooting cool guns.

Rob- I’m now an NRA pistol instructor. That was a long 2 day course, but it definitely changed my attitude. I took the course so I would be consistent and teach my friends. I changed my mind because I don’t want to be an average instructor even if I only teach a few friends. That means that I have to go back and unpack the class notes I just crammed. I have my reading set out for me for the next few weeks as I study and re-study the material. Second, we learn to teach by teaching. That means I have to work with and watch better instructors if I’m going to do justice to my students. I have to apprentice myself.

In the class I met a guy who makes custom holsters, so I have three new kydex holsters and mag pouches on order for my 22 handguns.

Today I visited a brand new firearms store with a laser training simulator in my town.

John, I still haven’t gotten to shoot the Mosin Nagant with Mojo sights. Did you see the pictures of the sights?Mojo sight rear

Gary –
Paul- Link to Mag 20 class schedule
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Rob- Have you guys seen the new episode of Colion Noir’s interview show called Noir on NRA Freestyle TV?  It stars Colion and Amy Robbins.  Episode two is out.  I’ll watch a few more episodes.

Comments- Why is this program about pop-culture and firearms important?

Paul- A murderer near the University of California at Santa Barbara killed for 10 minutes in streets filled with university students walking, biking and skateboarding in the beach community.  The murderer acted in a way that was similar to the threats he posted on a  YouTube video posted that same night. Seven people were killed in all, including the shooter.

During the statement by the murderer’s family’s attorney, it was revealed that the family is staunchly anti-gun and support gun control laws. Quote “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Comment- Where have we seen this before?  Arapahoe High School, Colorado

Comment- Crazy people, particularly rich crazy people who want sex and resent their social awkwardness do a lot of damage when no one can stop them.

Comment- gun free zone in a “won’t issue” California county.

John- We told you about the Hinsdale Illinois eagle scout who was suspended for a day after he wore a shirt with an outline of a gun that advertised his shooting team.  Highschool senior Chris Borg spoke at the school board meeting.  Both the school board and the school administration were evasive enough to make my stomach turn.  The school said they would remove the suspension from Borg’s record.

Comment- Why is it important to publicly ridicule anti-gun bureaucrats?

Rachel- Remington Arms is moving another two of its firearms models from its Ilion, New York facility to its new plant in Huntsville, Alabama.  This includes its line of Bushmaster rifles and its 1911 handguns.  Federal legislators like New York Senator Charles Schumer and New York Governor Cuomo endorsed gun control, and then claimed it wouldn’t cost jobs.  It looks like the New York politicians were wrong again.. not that they care.  Ilion New York is closer to the Canadian border than it is to New York City.. and probably didn’t vote for them anyway.

Comment- Why does this matter to New York gun owners and New York voters?  Why does it matter to the rest of us outside NY?

Rob- My sheriff Bill Gore, the Sheriff of San Diego County, now says he wants the California Attorney General Kamala Harris to appeal the Peruta court decision.  Kamala Harris also said she did not want to be part of the Peruta case.. until the gun grabbers lost the case.  Originally Gore said he wanted to hand out carry licenses, but the law prevented it.  Then he said he would obey any decision handed down by the courts. Now he says he wants someone else to appeal the case.  Sheriff Gore’s changing his story doesn’t surprise me at bit.  The only amendment Gore supports is the fifth.

Comment- What is the political cost if an incumbent Sheriff lies to his constituents?

John- This is what happens when corrupt anti-gun politicians can “interpret” the law in Colorado.  Sara Warren has her carry license.  She was in a traffic accident and the police collected her firearm from the EMTs.  Now, Sara can’t get her gun back because the Fort Collins city attorney won’t give it to her.  First the city attorney said they needed a background check, so Sara gave them all the information they needed.  Then the city attorney said they needed an FFL, so Sara brought along a police officer she knew who was an FFL and who would transfer her firearm back to her.  The anti-gun city attorney threatened to prosecute any officer who transferred the firearm to Sara Warren.

The police are allowed to temporarily hold a firearm for 72 hours without a transfer.  They should have returned her firearm at that time.  The Fort Collins city attorney only agreed to return her firearm when the press started pestering him.

Comment- Who is politically responsible for these decisions?  (The mayor or city council appointed Steve Roy as City Attorney.
Why is this important to Colorado gun owners?
Why is this important to all Colorado citizens?
Should Sara have reported the firearm stolen since it was taken by extra-legal means?

Rob- How many of you have heard about Doctor John Lott?  He wrote the books on guns and crime.  Books like “more guns less crime” and “The Bias Against Guns.”  Dr Lott digs out the anti-gun lies and destroys them root and branch.  I’ve read three of his books and shaken his hand at the GRPC conferences.  Dr. Lott started a research institute about guns and crime, and he wants to fund the institute with crowdsourcing.  Bloomberg dropped a few million dollars on a university so the purchased professors would spew out the anti-gun research papers that Mayor Mike wants.  Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor Lott.  I said we.  I did.  Now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Comments- Why is accurate research important to the right of self-defense?

John- Just because the Brady Campaign has been made largely irrelevant by Michael Bloomberg’s money and Everytown Moms for Illegal Guns doesn’t mean that they still can’t cause trouble. On Monday, they filed suit in conjunction with their NJ chapter to force the Acting Attorney General of New Jersey to file the required “personalized handgun” report. If the AG attests that a “smart gun” has been either offered for retail sale or that a manufacturer has delivered a production model of one to a FFL, then the 3-year clock starts. After that time ONLY “personalized handguns” will be allowed to be sold in the state of New Jersey. The timing of the filing of the suit came a day after Ernst Mauch who is the head of Armatrix had an op-ed in the Washington Post about “smart guns”.  While it could just be a coincidence, that is highly unlikely.

Comment- Rob- The legal tactic is called sue and settle.  A politician finds a special interest group to sue the state, and then the state offers no defense.  The presiding judge dictates the terms of the settlement.

Comment- What problem is the smart gun supposed to solve?
Comment- Why are LEOs exempt from the smart gun law?

Rachel – The CalGuns Foundation and Cal-FFL have filed suit against CA AG Kamala Harris in Sacramento Superior Court. Harris has recently issued a new interpretation of a long standing law in California which would limit those who have a FFL and a Cal DOJ Certificate of Eligibility to one handgun per month. This impacts those who have the Curios & Relics FFLs and a DOJ certificate. Harris is saying the exemption in the law to the 1 handgun in 30 limit is only for C&R handguns and not more modern handguns. Attorney Bradley Benbrook says this blocks individuals from exercising rights granted to them by the Legislature. The case is called Doe v. Harris.

Comment- What is the problem with Attorneys General adopting their own interpretation of standing law?

Paul- Rob had a rant about smart activism versus simply grabbing public attention.  Now the chain of Chipotle restaurants has asked citizens not to carry on their property.  The Denver-based company has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.  Guys, I’d ask you to carry concealed or carry smart.

Other businesses took a different approach.  “Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms,” said a Dunkin’ Brands spokeswoman.

Rich Jeffers, director of communications at Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse said “Our approach has always been that we abide by all local and state laws.”

McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb said: “For franchisee-owned restaurants, operational decisions regarding open carry weapon laws are made by the independent franchisee.”

Comment – Shannon Watts and her minions are trolling the Internet looking for pictures of open carry in Texas. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t been done in a year, she’ll try to make an issue of it. She posted year-old pictures of OC at a Smashburger even though they had to stop allowing open carry last year.

Rachel- Here in Texas, several open carry groups have made a joint statement calling their members to be responsible and wise as they exercise their right to open carry firearms. I applaud them for this self-regulation. Their new policies are designed to keep their stated mission in focus, and include instructions to notify law enforcement, use slings, leave a business quietly without a problem when asked to, and, when carrying inside a business, try to keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly. While the Huffington Post reported this as “backing down” by the open carry groups, I see it as moving forward. Regulating themselves responsibly is a wise, strategic move as they present a positive image of gun ownership and bearing of arms to the American public.

John- The Pit Authentic Barbecue restaurant in Durham, North Carolina was the site of an armed robbery last Sunday night. Three masked men with pistols entered the back door, assaulted a couple of employees, and got away. NC Gun Blog points out, “The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”

Blogger Sean Sorrentino also states, “I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them.” It appears that the restaurant owner was making an intentional political statement with his gun-free zone. Last year, his restaurant hosted part of  Gabby Gifford’s anti-gun tour. Looks like the robbers made a statement of their own.

Jack in the Box fast food restaurants issued a similar no-guns policy for company owned stores, and three of their stores were robbed.

Comment- Are gun-free stores safe for anyone?

Stores have to properly post their no-guns policy in accordance with state regulations or the signs don’t have the force of law.

Rob-This is the season of primary elections.  That means we’re sure to be disappointed, but it also means we have to take joy in other’s successes.  In West Virginia, a 17 year old high school student ran against a sitting state delegate.  Sara Blair is graduating from high school later this month and will be in the general election in the fall after her electoral win.  Sara describe herself as a fiscal conservative who is pro gun rights, anti abortion and pro business. She is expected to win the election in the fall.

Comment- Why is it important to have young pro-gun politicians in office?

Paul-Voting along party lines, the Democrat controlled New Jersey legislature sent Governor Chris Christie a bill limiting firearms magazine capacity to 10 rounds or less.  There is neither a grandfather clause in the bill, nor is there a provision for reimbursements so citizens can make their firearms comply with New Jersey law.  The law isn’t clear if the magazine capacity is only determined by the standard ammunition used in the firearms, since 22 shorts can be loaded into a tubular magazine as well as 22 long rifle cartridges.  Of course, the restrictions to not apply to law enforcement officers.  Please write Governor Christie and ask him to veto the bill.

Comment- This is cultural cleansing of firearm owners from New Jersey.  The Democrats want firearm owners to leave the state.

Rob- Gun Quotes
“When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one’s self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia.”  – JD Filkins

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions and the interview with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Don’t mess with Texas, and certainly don’t mess with 17 year old Samantha Mayhue’s who lives in Cypress, Texas near Houston.  There have been half a dozen car break ins this year on this otherwise quiet street.  That explains why there are dual electronic locks on the front door at Samantha’s home.  She still thinks someone would have to be crazy to try and break into her house where a Texas flag flies on the driveway.  She heard someone try her front door before the alarm sounded.  Samantha went straight for her father’s Glock and called the police.

“Everyone knows we have guns in here.  Daddy taught me right. I wasn’t afraid to do what I needed to do.  I was going to pull the trigger and aim for the chest and keep pulling it until the 17 rounds out of my dad’s Glock 19 was gone,” Mayhue said.  Luckily, the alarm scared the would-be intruder away.  Samantha Mayhue wants to be a tactical firearms instructor in a few years.

Comment- Does disarming a young lady make her safer or put her at risk from others?

John- Muncie [IN] police say a convicted bandit got more than he bargained for when he tried to hold up a south side liquor store late Friday. Authorities said Anthony J. Williams, 47, was shot in the pelvic region as he struggled with a female clerk over possession of a handgun. Williams entered the liquor store about 11:15 p.m., pretended to have a weapon and demanded cash from the female clerk. The clerk believed Williams was trying to grab a handgun that was behind the store’s counter. A struggle then ensued between the clerk and Williams, ending when the gun discharged, seriously wounding the would-be bandit, police said. Williams was transported to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital. Police at first thought his wound was potentially life-threatening, but later reports that his condition is believed to have stabilized..

Comment- Rachel, this sounds like having a gun under the counter is as ill advised as purse carry.  Why not carry on body?

Rachel- Back in Houston Texas- A man was walking through an apartment complex late Wednesday night when he was approached by a man who demanded he surrender his wallet and cell phone.  The victim felt threatened enough to draw his concealed handgun and open fire on the suspect.  The suspect was hit twice, but still managed to run to a waiting getaway car. He was picked up by police at a nearby hospital.  The suspect was in surgery early Thursday morning.  Police don’t expect to file charges filed against the robbery victim.

Comment- Robberies, like other accidents, happen where we are, and we are often near home.

John- A Granville County, North Carolina homeowner is safe and unharmed after burglars tried to break into his home Tuesday morning. The same cannot be said for one of the burglars. 20 year old Rodney Hanks Junior broke into a home Tuesday morning with a gun and a knife.  The homeowner shot him.  His fellow burglars were seen leaving the scene and are still on the loose.

Sheriff Brendell Wilkins said they are not releasing the name of the homeowner for his safety. He went on to add regarding the homeowner, ““They were breaking into his house; you’ve got the right to defend yourself. The suspect had a gun and a knife.” That is a sheriff who gets it.

Paul- Don’t bring a crowbar to a gunfight.. at least in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Nathan Simmerson and four other masked men broke into a home Tuesday night.  Simmerson went upstairs.. where he met the armed home owner.  Simmerson, armed with a crowbar, fled and locked himself in a bathroom.  One of the downstairs victims yelled for the homeowner to come down with his assault rifle.. and the four downstairs robbers fled.  Simmerson tried to run but was tackled by the residents and held for police.  Simmerson says he doesn’t know the names of his accomplices.  I noticed that the papers already had his picture on file.

Gary- Don’t bring a baseball bat to a gunfight either.  A Toledo, Ohio woman and her boyfriend were attacked by a man wielding a bat Monday afternoon.  The boyfriend was struck on his arm with the bat.  The woman has her concealed carry permit and drew her pistol from her purse as the attacker moved toward her.  She fired twice and the attacker ran.  The attacker drove to the University of Toledo Medical Center in a private vehicle seeking treatment for gunshot wounds to his legs.

Comment- How quickly could you react to an attack?

Paul- More from Struthers, Ohio this last Wednesday.  Two teens entered a Sami Quickstop convenience store just after midnight in this Youngstown suburb.  One of the teens raised a rifle and pointed it at the store clerk.  The criminal fired and missed.  The 20 year old store clerk with a CCW drew his own handgun, shot and hit the 17 year old gunman Ja’Braelyn Bunn.  Both teens ran from the store.  The teen gunman is in the hospital while his accomplice is in juvenile detention.  Both face charges for armed robbery.

Comments- What would you do if you were in the store?

John- We have more, and it’s not from Houston, Detroit or Ohio.  I hope you’ve heard about the 300 young Christian girls taken as slave by the Islamist group Boko Haram in Nigeria.  Note that civilian ownership of firearms is forbidden in Nigeria.  Thank god some villages break the law.  Several villages armed themselves and counter attacked against Boko Haram.  They claim to have seized 90 motorcycles, several heavy trucks, and to have killed approximately 250 of the terrorists.  One villager was quoted as saying that they would kill the terrorists themselves since the army wasn’t doing its job.  Note that defenders typically have a three-to-one advantage over attackers.

Comment- Is this any different than the problem faced by citizens of New York or Chicago of a few years ago?

Gary- 24 year old Victor Navarro walked into the HealthMart Pharmacy in Hialeah, Florida, a suburb of Miami, just after noon.  The 24 year old demanded Xanax and was turned away by the pharmacist.  Victor Navarro came back to the pharmacy and pulled up his shirt showing a handgun, and again demanded drugs.  This time the pharmacy manager, 70 year old Angel Navarro Betancourt, no relation to the victim, shot and killed Victor Navaro.  The young man was said to have a severe drug addiction.. and the gun in his waistband was a BB gun.

Comment- Threatening people will get you killed.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles on our website at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

After this advertisement from NJ2AS, we have a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
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Paul- Here is our listener e-mail segment.  This one is from listener Rob

-Hi guys,
I hope I can help end the spitting match over Facebook likes with the Polite Society. I’m a big fan of both polite society & slam fire radio podcasts. As a U.S. citizen I’m partial to my American podcasts. Buuuuuuuut, my wife of 10 years is a Canadian citizen. I obviously like Canadians too.  I listen to both Trevor’s podcasts for the content, hosts and because I enjoy the accent. You know what I’m talking aboat, eh?

So let’s get down to reality and accuracy with the Facebook likes. I really enjoy Paul, Rob & Rachel but Slam Fire Radio is ahead by a long shot.
The math is very simple. Polite Society has more Facebook likes but when you factor in 236 vs 57 episodes and a population approximately 300 million vs 30 million. Slam Fire is kicking some serious Facebook ass.
I’m just say’n
Rob
Hudson Valley, NY
Ps. One good thing about Canadian gun laws is, it makes my New York State gun laws look pretty awesome.

Rachel-Here is another e-mail from listener Rick.

-Hey, guys
When Paul returns you will have to give him time to recover from Mag40.  He will be mentally drained, physically exhausted and amazed at all the new like-minded friends he made.
Oh, and he’ll be saying “I digress” a lot.
Still listening.
Rick

John: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul- We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politesocietypodcast.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rachel- That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob(?) do you have an article you want to talk about?

Rob- I have an article on Clash Daily and Ammoland.  It is called Criminals Commit Suicide by Citizen and it came from the news stories we read on this podcast.  

Rachel- John, do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- One hiker is dead and one in critical condition after being robbed and shot while hiking in Tehama County, California. Neither were armed. The robber asked for their property and then killed Pat Gregory, 69, of West Tisbury, MA. His 76 year old companion was left for dead on the trail and is in the hospital. People ask why you should carry while out hiking and communing with nature. This is why you carry!

Comment-  What is the moral of this story?  You can’t guarantee your safety by complying with criminals.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Iowas Firearm Coalition, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Episode 223- Action Shooting Radio

The video above is the “raw” recording session of the show. It is us, warts and all. The audio link above that is the REAL show.

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with the guys from Action Shooting Radio
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun and a tips and tricks segment with David Cole.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 223 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul: The only thing gun related I got to do since the last time we recorded was to inform an officer of the Joplin PD that I was carrying. He told me thanks!

John: No gun news to report but I did book my room for the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis which is being held April 25-27. If you are anywhere near Indy, I’d suggest trying to at least make a day trip of it. As Rob can attest, it is a great experience.

Rachel: Nothing much. Just staffed the Appleseed booth at the national AG&AG conference in Waco Thursday through Sunday, had my County convention on Saturday (and was responsible for some drama there), a bunch of activists I trained did better at making stuff happen in their conventions than I did in mine, and now I’m prepping for the Appleseed shoot I’m shoot bossing in San Antonio this weekend. Working with Texas Law Shield on some projects with TFF. Nothing to see here, just everyday work….

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“I will not comply” Rant

I personally love the “I will not comply” attitude when it comes to confiscation of firearms. It after all is the one final answer that we all can give that lets the politicians know the really very limited power that they do have. However there are a few things that I would like to bring out and explore around this. #1 If you say it, mean it, and know what it means. Unfortunately there are a lot of “mall ninjas” that hang around the firearms and Second Amendment arena. They want the toys, they want the cool stuff, but when it comes time to do the work they are no where to be found. These are the same people who when you ask, “Are you an NRA member?” give you some BS answer about not wanting to be on a list or being angry about something the NRA did in the mid 60’s to mid 80’s. You then ask if they are a SAF member and they give you a blank stare, trying to think of what the SAF is. A lot of these people are now the ones screaming out “Molon Labe! I will not comply!”

Let’s explore what will – and I did say WILL happen when you don’t comply.

1) – They will come for you. Eventually some form of law enforcement will show up, and if you are lucky you will get a knock on your door and your stuff will be confiscated and you will go to jail. If you are unlucky the door will explode open and the shock troops will come in and take the house or your place of business in a no-knock raid.

#2) If you think that the weapons charge is the only thing that they will charge you with (should you survive the arrest) then you are sorely mistaken. Should it come to the point where they are starting to confiscate weapons they are going to try to make all arrests look like they are going after the dregs of society. Have you ever been a little late filing with the IRS? Did you once have a little bit too much to drink before driving home and plead that down to a misdemeanor? Have you always returned every library book on time? They are going to dig VERY deep before the raid to make sure that they can make you look bad when they parade you in front of the media.

#3) The rest of the gun owning public won’t charge in and break you out of jail. At least at the very beginning the rest of us will be worried about ourselves and what we are are doing to keep our families safe. We will see the storm clouds brewing and be preparing for the storm. Let’s go back to the pre revolutionary war period. The shot heard ‘round the world was not the British regulars first attempt at confiscation. The Boston Massacre occurred 5 years before the battle of Lexington and Concord. I do not expect a 5 year build up, but it happened then, and I don’t expect 1 incident to bring the ire of 100 million plus gun owners to the surface immediately.

4) If you say it, and you mean it, know that many, many of us stand with you. Even with all that I have said, and all of the horribleness that will fall upon those that are victimised first know that there really are many of us in the 100 plus million gun owners that truly do stand with you. I know that Anthony Colandro meant it when he said it. There are many more whom I believe when I hear them say it. I hope that soon our voices will reach the right places and true change can happen. We ARE winning the fight for our rights, slowly and with some setbacks, but we are winning. I believe there will come a time in my lifetime when the 2nd Amendment will be my carry permit, and the 14th Amendment will be my reciprocity agreement. But for now we are threatened in many areas with laws that would make criminals of us.

In every battle there are casualties. Every soldier that volunteers to put on the uniform for our country knows that they could be injured or killed in their service. What I am asking is for every gun owner to become a soldier for our rights. It could be costly for you. You could be arrested, you could lose your reputation. You could lose a lot more. Know this before taking up the cause. If you say “I will not comply” and “MOLON LABE” then in my opinion you MUST belong to the NRA and The SAF. You MUST be registered to vote and YOU MUST VOTE! We have a chance to turn things our direction this November peaceably, but of you are not participating you are nothing but a mall ninja in the 2A world wanting the cool stuff without doing any of the work that comes with it.

End of rant.
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James Kaleda needs our support.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. John?  Rachel?  Paul?  Susan?  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support. http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Mail in your NRA ballot too!

Paul- A California state senator who both represents San Francisco, and who enthusiastically authored gun control legislation was arrested after he asked for campaign donations in exchange for introducing an undercover FBI agent to an arms trafficker.  The allegations against State Sen. Leland Yee were outlined in an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint. The affidavit accuses Yee of conspiracy to deal firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms.  Yee is also accused wire fraud for accepting tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and cash payments to provide introductions, help a client get a contract and influence legislation.  Yee discussed helping the FBI agent get weapons worth $500,000 to $2.5 million, including shoulder fired automatic weapons and missiles, and took him through the entire process of getting them from a Muslim separatist group in the Philippines to the United States. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-california-state-sen-leland-yee-arrested-23068331

Rob’s comment- Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician,

John-  John Lott said “Our soldiers need protection on base.. and should be armed. Currently, soldiers on military bases are not allowed to carry guns. Indeed, the military specifically forbids personnel from carrying firearms for personal protection except when “a credible and specific threat against [military] personnel [exists] in that region.”

That sounds like the same “justifiable need” statement they use in California, New Jersey and Maryland.  That is why, during the Navy yard shooting, the unarmed soldiers, sailors  and marines could do nothing but cower as the shooter fired round after round. For perspective, military bases have relatively few military police since crime rates on bases are normally low.  And it was a similar story in 2009 at Fort Hood. Maj. Nidal Hasan was unchallenged as he stood on a desk and kept shooting down victim after victim in work cubicles at Fort Hood, Texas. http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5795440-74/bases-ducks-military#ixzz2x6Y8Gdcu

Rachel- Don’t put your faith in judges.  Washington DC resident Mark Witaschek was convicted of having unlawful ammunition for a muzzle loading rifle.. the same rifle that does not require registration in DC.  That means you have to register your rifle that doesn’t require registration.. so you can register the rifle’s ammunition.  The judge didn’t know guns from gorillas.  Judge Robert Morin sentenced Mr. Witaschek to time served, a $50 fine and required him to enroll with the Metropolitan Police Department’s firearm offenders’ registry within 48 hours.  The case will cost Witaschek hundreds of thousands of dollars. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/26/miller-exclusive-shock-verdict-mark-witaschek-guil/

John -You may now record the police in Illinois after this court ruling from the Illinois supreme court. A non-english speaker was imprisoned for over 20 months after recording a conversation with a court reporter supervisor. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11655

Rob- About 150 attendees filed into Lansingburgh’s Grace Baptist Church this past Sunday to hear Pastor John Koletas’ hymn and enter a raffle to win an AR-15 rifle, the Times Union reported.

Pastor Koletas preached in front of a large American flag and had a right-to-bear-arms-text hanging on the walls of the church.  This is at least the second raffle of the month.  “We have our Constitution to protect us, but we have our liberty to protect ourselves,” Koletas said during Sunday’s service.  Churchgoers were relatively calm and quiet as they filled the pews and submitted their names for the raffle.  42-year-old Schenectady resident Ron Stafford won the rifle, valued between $800 and $1,200.

Paul -If you were so foolish as to trust an Illinois politician, please please think again.  The first batch of carry license denial letters have gone out from the Illinois State Police.  As feared, the letters  do not specify which agency filed an objection, the contents of the objection or specifically how the individual is a danger to themselves and/or public safety. In short, what we’ve got is a “may issue” licensing scheme, crafted by House Speaker Michael Madigan, where anti-gun local officials can reject license applications for any reason at all.  NRA’s lawyers are putting together their legal response. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11646

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John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation does not send out alerts or “take action” notices very often. In fact, they’re rare. When they do urge action, it’s usually a significant issue.  Last week the NSSF asked gun owners to contact their senators to stop Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s attempt to force the Administration into issuing an executive order banning the importation of certain semi-auto modern sporting rifles. http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/16133/senators-want-exec-order-banning-import-of-semi-auto-rifles/  (Rob has a comment)

John -This is why you lock your doors and try to retreat.  A Houston firefighter returning home from a night of St. Patrick’s Day partying was shot and killed by his next-door neighbor when he tried to enter the wrong house.  27 year old Sam Keen was asked to leave the bar so his friends put him in a cab.  The cab stopped next door, rather than in front of Keen’s house. Keen couldn’t find his way home and entered the wrong house.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/off-duty-houston-firefighter-shot-dead-by-neighbor/

Rob – Idaho is part of a growing number of states that are seeking to nullify federal firearms laws. Congratulations to Idaho on being among the first to actually pass a nullification bill. Their bill, S1332, was signed by the governor last week and applies to future federal law. Specifically, this bill is designed to “protect Idaho law enforcement officers from being directed, through federal executive orders, agency orders, statutes, laws, rules, or regulations enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, to violate their oath of office and Idaho citizens’ rights under Section 11, Article I, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho.” Violators will be fined $1,000.

Rachel –  A couple weeks ago, we had Keith Morgan from WVCDL on the show to talk about the success of their group’s intense efforts to get SB317 through the WV legislature. SB317 is the state preemption bill for gun carry laws. After we spoke, they had to engage in another battle when there was a question about whether the governor would actually sign the bill. They’ve been working feverishly to get his signature – that finally happened yesterday. Kudos to the grassroots activists at WVCDL.

West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s statement: “This evening, I signed Senate Bill 317 because I support our 2nd Amendment rights, and I also see the need for uniform and consistent gun laws throughout the state. I believe this legislation will give municipalities clarity for regulating firearms in their facilities.”

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-homeowner-holds-teen-robber-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive/25158758#.UzIo6C8by-g.facebook

John DGU- Near Detroit, a Jet’s Pizza delivery driver shot back after he was robbed at gunpoint at about 11 p.m. Saturday in Redford.  The victim was making a delivery to a residence where two men posed as customers.  One of the men grabbed the driver and the other man showed a handgun and demanded the victim’s money.  The legally armed delivery driver shot the suspects.  The uninjured driver left the area and called 911.  The robbers also fled in a waiting vehicle. One of the men was later found at a local hospital with multiple gunshot wounds, and another man was arrested Monday night, police reports said.  The injured suspect, Clarence Sanders, 27, of Detroit, was arraigned Monday in the hospital on a charge of armed robbery, according to Redford Police.

A warrant request is being prepared on the second suspect.

http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20140325/NEWS16/303250018/Pizza-delivery-man-shoots-back-after-robbery

 

Rachel DGU- An adult man was killed in a shooting in Bakersfield, California and another was escorted from a home and  placed in a police vehicle. The Bakersfield Police Department said that at about 4:51 a.m., Shawn Christian Ibarra, 35, armed himself with a breaker bar and kicked in the front door. He was then shot by another man in the house, which resulted in the death of Ibarra. Ibarra was on Post Release Community Supervision.. commonly called “early release” from prison.  Police believe the homeowners and Ibarra knew one another. http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/person-suffered-major-injuries-in-incident-in-northeast-bakersfield-police-say-032414

Paul DGU- An intruder called 911 after he was shot during a break in attempt, in Iberia Parish, Louisiana.  Charles Prince attempted to break into a balcony bedroom at a home on East Admiral Doyle Drive.  Prince woke the victim, who grabbed a handgun and fired 2 shots at Prince, hitting him once in the arm.  The homeowner called the Sheriff’s Office around 8:39 p.m. and explained that he had shot at an intruder.  Shortly afterward, the Sheriff received a 911 call from Prince who said he had been shot near the victim’s home.  Prince was transported to the Iberia Medical Center, and will be charged with Unauthorized Entry of an Inhabited Dwelling.

http://fox44.com/news/crimetracker/intruder-calls-911-after-getting-shot-during-break-attempt

Rob DGU- Michael Huston, 26, faces one count of residential burglary and one count of possession of burglary tools, both felonies, according to the Kane County Illinois Sheriff’s office. Huston broke into a house and was shot by the homeowner.  Huston was found by sheriff’s deputies a few blocks away from the burglary and taken to Delnor Community Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.  The 43-year-old homeowner was alone at home at the time, and has a valid Illinois FOID card.

http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/news/26418166-418/intruder-shot-by-st-charles-township-homeowner-is-charged-with-burglary.html

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“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” – Sigmund Freud

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Rob DGU NSF- A group of boys, one as young as 13, tried breaking into a home Sunday on Bedford Street in Detroit. His house was robbed the day before, but this time Gregory Lindsey was home. Mister Lindsey’s son was downstairs doing homework when he heard banging on the door. Outside, five or six young boys were trying to get in. The homeowner took his semi- auto 22 and ran out the front door. “Lots of them scattered, but I caught one,” Lindsey said. For 20 minutes the teen sat on Lindsey’s porch at gunpoint, until police arrived. “He was kind of scared but it’s a lesson that needs to be learned because too many kids are going to people’s houses and getting shot now… Whoever got through that door would absolutely have been shot.”

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

John, mention Dave Cole for Tips and Tricks
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Paul : Charlie Foxtrot sent me a message letting me know that for those that are missing the old GRRN forums that there are new forums up at www.gunnation.us all former GRRN forum participants are encouraged to check it out.

Rachel: Email from Chris
Hi Everyone,

I haven’t had a reason to write to the show before but something Rob said on episode 222 compelled me to compose this. After mentioning the James Kaleda situation again and that his defense fund was coming up short I feel it would be wise to bring one of my few moments of shear brilliance to your attention. I call it $22 for 2A.

It really started about 2 weeks ago when the phone rang while listening to another podcast that just happened to be discussing this injustice at that exact moment . While checking the caller ID I realized the number 2 and letter A are on the same key. Thats when the light bulb came on.

Here’s how it works – it’s sort of a challenge to all those keyboard commandos out there. What you do is wait until the lottery jackpot gets a little bigger before buying a ticket, maybe leave the range with some extra ammo instead of having to buy and use an entire case each time. Take that money you didn’t spend and send $22 to the James Kaleda defense fund. I’m sure Rob will put it the show notes for those that may be google challenged.

It goes without saying that James stuck his neck out for anyone, anywhere, that owns a firearm or believes in the right to self defense. He deserves our support. I’ve donated and I don’t even live in the US.

Progressive socialism – the kind that seeks to strip you of your rights and make everyone dependant on government knows no borders. It’s like a septic pile of black goo that oozes it’s way around the world. When one nation has a brain cramp on firearms laws it would not surprise me if some faceless beauracrat at the UN is immediately spreading the word to other countries – saying…”You should try this.”. The border between Canada and the USA is really just a line on the map used to collect taxes. When something happens in one country the other is likely to follow. I don’t need to mention what is going on in Connecticut, New York, and our own issues with the CZ-858/Swiss Classic Green and Canada’s largest street gang – the RCMP.

Thanks for mentioning us and our troubles north of the 49th. It reassuring to know we’re not alone.

In the words of a great Canadian comic, Red Green, “Remember I’m pullin’ for ya; were all in this together.”.

Until next time,

Chris – Typing from the Peoples Republic of Canada.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rachel: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: John, do you have any post on your blog you want to mention?

John: I did a post earlier this week about the Jefferson County Arkansas Sheriffs’ Department. You know how anti-gun police and sheriffs’ departments have gun buybacks? Well, they had a gun auction that netted them over $125,000! I call it the anti-anti-gun buyback. Even better was was this statement from the JCSD: “Today’s auction provided citizens an informative, secure, and safe way to buy firearms at a bargain.” Well said, JCSD, well said.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

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John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

Apple users! Please let us know if this fixed the issue with time encoding. We have switched to an Apple product to do our final encoding to MP3  (This took quite a bit because Paul HATES Apple)

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
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Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
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Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 220 – Joe Chetwood and Miguel Gonzalez

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, march 15th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez of “Gun Free Zone”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Joe: I’m guest host Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 220 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant

Joe Chetwood- finding my way out of boxes.

John: I just finished reading Jm Curtis’ The Grey Man: Vignettes. Jim, also known as Old NFO, blogs at the blog “Nobody Asked Me.”  The novel is Jim’s first and a great start. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes a good story that has guns interwoven through it.

Rob: I got in some dry practice with reloads and malfunction clearance.  I invited a friend over, so practice can be fun.  So was dinner, but dry practice is always a good excuse to throw a party.

Rachel: Got a CWW pin from whiskey5a today, doing online training tomorrow for Texas Firearms Freedom activists for the next convention to help move gun legislation along, and scheming for how I can clone myself so next weekend I can staff the A Girl & A Gun conference, teach at an Appleseed shoot, and be a delegate in my county convention all at the same time.

Paul is in Soux Falls and jumped home from Wisconsin.  We’re podcasting from ABN surplus.

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Seg 2- News

Paul: In Rob’s backyard, Ares Armor machines AR lowers and sells polymer lowers.  The BATF asked for its inventory and customer list.  Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, asked for a restraining order against the ATF.. and he received it.  So far the customer list is safe.  Ares is also being harassed by a local city council for its sign that shows a modern sporting rifle.  Anti-gun bigotry is not dead in San Diego.

In late breaking news, the ATF broke into Ares Armor’s national city office and seized records. That is the real price of having a weak sheriff in San Diego County.

Rob- Idaho Governor Butch Otter signed a bill allowing people with enhanced Idaho concealed carry permits to carry firearms on state school campuses.  The law takes effect July first when anti-gun journalists forecast the streets will run with blood.  I doubt it since eight states allow some firearms onto school campuses.

John:  Retired elementary school teacher Laura Getty was diagnosed with breast cancer on Valentine’s Day. Her son Jeffrey, also a teacher, developed a lesson plan to help her conquer her fear. Since she had never fired a gun before, he took her to the Palmetto State Armory range in Greenville, SC where they live. Laura says she found it very therapeutic as all she had to do was focus on the target. Afterwards, Jeffrey sent the range a thank you note explaining the circumstances. PSA was so touched that they built up a hot pink custom AR-15 for Laura  as a gift. They also made a second one that they are raffling to raise money for her treatment. They have now put that raffle online because demand was so strong.

Rachel- Shane Kinney is an NRA member.  He is also a 16 year old and works a part time job at his local gun club.  He wore an NRA shirt to school and served a one day suspension when the school vice principal told him to turn the shirt inside out.  Shane refused.  “I’ve worn other shirts before with guns on them.  I was never asked to cover up. I think this happened because it was an NRA shirt.”  Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”  Grand Island High School is located between Niagara Falls and Buffalo, New York.  Sounds like the school administrator flunked the Zero Tolerance for Stupid test.

Rachel – A group of over 100 Texans with CATI-TX (“Come And TAke It”) open carried their rifles and shotguns through downtown Austin during the SXSW festival again today, and I was again privileged to be among them. The light rain might have dampened our clothes and rifles, but it didn’t dampen spirits among the men, women, and children who participated. During the months that these activists have faithfully done their safe, peaceful, friendly open carry walks, the attitude of the APD has changed, and they now come out and shake our hands and even escort us to make sure no one messed with us. Hooray for peaceful, effective grassroots activism!

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On a sad note: a car plowed through barricades a couple of nights ago and killed a few SXSW participants and injured almost 2 dozen more. I guess barricades and signs don’t work so well – for banning either guns or cars….

John: We all know it is easier to ride a bicycle downhill.  It is also easier to promote a cause with a sympathetic news media to inflate your claims.  But what would the media say if they had an anti-gun rally and nobody came?  26 bicycle riders rode from Newtown Connecticut to Washington DC to carry their anti-gun message to the nations capital and provide a media moment for politicians who hate self-defense.  If you look closely at the photos of the rally, it looks like the riders and politicians were larger than the crowd.  Some of the bicycle riders said they received considerable support along the route from the New Jersey police.  Let’s see a show of hands if you’re surprised.

Anyone?

Rachel – A statewide grassroots group in California gathered over 60,000 signatures to date proposing  quote- “a state constitutional initiative ensuring the right to bear arms for all individuals and guarantee the right of all individuals to lawfully use a firearm for personal and property protection, hunting and sport shooting.” California Gun Rights is attempting to collect over a million valid signatures by the May 20 deadline. They posted downloadable copies of their petition in both legal and letter sizes for circulators to use.  California is one of only six states that lack second amendment language in their constitutions.

We have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Miguel Gonzalez from the blog “Gun Free Zone”.  Miguel talks about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed and how the Miami Herald lost their mind.

Ask the GunDoc questions with Joe Chetwood.
1. I have a savage 357 over 20 ga, it has a crack on the wood near the selector switch with the piece about to come off, is there any type of glue made just for this type of repair? i don’t do anything with this gun but shoot every now and then so its not critical, just want it to look right

2. I have a pt1911 ar pistol made by taurus and the grip safety does not work. The safety is a little loose at the pin that holds it in place. If i push up on the beavertail safety right under the hammer the safety works. Has anyone had this problem with theirs and if so how was it fixed without sending it back to taurus for repairs. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

3. My Thompson SMG is now back together, but I can’t use it because the ‘headspace’ is off. Is this something that can be repaired (gun is about 25yrs old), or do I have a 45cal paperweight?

4. I have a 1911 and the front sight came off at the range and I couldn’t find it. How can I figure out what height I need if I still have the rear sight?

5. I have a TCP 380. When firing, the slide isn’t cycling and it’s not feeding the next round. Could this be a future gunsmith visit or is there something I can do myself?

6. I have a gorgeous Remington 48 sc 12 gauge. It’s not ejecting the empty shells. It pulls up a new shell but still, the empty isn’t being grabbed out. Is this a common problem with this gun?

7. Type 53 nagant sight removal. I want to remove the entire front sight so I can slide the bayonet lug off, but is the front sight mount also soldered on?
Break and Shelly Sorensen when we come back.

8. Interdynamic KG-99 pistol (9mm) with a 30 round clip. When I put the loaded clip in the weapon and rack the lever to load it, it is tossing the first cartridge out on the ground. The motion of the bolt seems to be catching the first round and tossing it out or, the motion is dislodging the first round just enough that it becomes loose enough for the magazine spring is spitting it out. Or something… Any ideas what the problem may be?

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Rob: Lisa Atkin was sick in bed Wednesday morning and couldn’t go to work.  She was surprised when her three labradors wouldn’t stop barking.  Then she heard another loud noise from the front of her house and grabbed her firearm from the nightstand.  She slowly cleared her way into her home and found Joseph Baker.  She drew her weapon and told Baker to lie down on the floor while she called police.  The police arrived 23 minutes later.  The  Junction City Oregon homeowner said, “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations.  Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live.” (close quote) The burglar is in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

Any comments?

John:  A pizza delivery woman in Fayetteville, North Carolina made an unexpected delivery.  26 year old Ashley Marie Hurd approached a house at about 10pm and asked the man standing outside to be paid for the pizza.  A second man walked up behind her, put something against Ashley’s head and demanded money.  She drew her handgun and both suspects ran.

If I was a pizza delivery driver, male or female, in Fayetteville, I’d carry a handgun, too.

I’d also like to make a comment on this DGU. It is important to note that no shots were fired and it was the mere presence of a firearm that ended this encounter safely for Ms. Hurd.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close and listener e-mail discussion

Paul and Crew,

Got behind listening due to problems with downloading the show via itunes after the name change so these comments are over a few shows.

I. For the guy who disliked the British accent. My father didn’t care much for the British either. No idea why, something dealing with his stay during WWII. I enjoyed my too short stay in England back in the 80’s. Really fell in love with the beer, real beer; definitely not PBR. The Brits do need to take some lessons on how to season their fool Having to salt and pepper pizza to make it edible just isn’t right. I personally like the accent. Brings back memories of watching Mrs. Emma Peel in those nice leather cat suits she wore.

II. With regard to the posting of home addresses and pictures of the various congress vermin. I agree with you however we must not be too worried about taking the high road in this war. There does become a point where one must fight fire with fire. The problem is that there are very few, and mostly ineffective ways, to hold these people accountable for their malicious acts. I don’t think many states have a recall option and it is very rarely possible to hold them legally accountable for the damage and hurt they cause. Roman senators and tribunes were completely immune for their actions but at least once they left office they could be brought to account. No so with out system. They can get away with anything. Look at the disdain the state shyster Corey is getting away with in Florida.

For an interesting, and highly questionable result I suggest reading “Unintentional Consequences” by John Ross. The book is way too long and quite slow in getting started but still entertaining. I just hope it never actually comes down to that extreme. It is rather scary of how some rather radical ideas are much more commonly heard than they were just a few short years ago. In fact, if the state of Connecticut doesn’t get its act together things could quickly degenerate into something very similar and those who are truly responsible, the idiots who made the ridiculous law will never be made to really answer for all the tears that will be shed.

III. With regard to Kathy Jackson’s comments on training. I completely agree that one shouldn’t come in with the attitude that keeps them from taking suggestions on how to improve. However I don’t see the problem with people wanting validation. If one is doing something correctly I can understand them wanting conformation of that. Kind of like how you liked having your skills as a driver trainer validated. Now if they are not willing to accept correction, that is another issue.

She sounded like she really doesn’t like seeing people taking classes who seem to not really need them. Depending on the reason for that happening I don’t understand the problem. There are some who are ready and would like to take an intermediate or more advanced course but can’t due to no formal training. Many instructors and training institutions won’t let people sign up for more advanced training due to them not having any formal training. They have their prerequisites. Completely understandable but someone who managed to acquire the basic skills on their own really have no choice but to take beginning classes. They need to have their skill level formally validated if they want to continue their training. Yes, there are some, many perhaps, who just want to boost their egos, but there are some caught in the middle.

There are also those who repeat classes as a way to renew their skills. It sounded like she didn’t really like having them in her classes.

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These are just some thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy your program and look forward to each episode. Your show, along with Doc Wessons’s “The Gun Nation” are the first two I check for new episodes.

Oh, what happened to Sticks? Did I miss something?

William Harvey

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

There is a rally scheduled for saturday, April fifth from 12 to 3pm.  See the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I do.  The ninth circuit rendered a decision a month ago.  The decision was not acted on by the San Diego Sheriff.  There have been four THOUSAND violent crimes in San Diego in that month.  Judges and Sheriffs fiddle while citizens bleed.  The post was up at Clash Daily and I put it up at Slow Facts this morning.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, Also give our friends over at Modern Rifleman Radio a listen!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 217 – Rick Ector

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday the 5th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Rick Ektor from Ricks Firearms academy of Detroit.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk about efficient firearms in our tips and tricks segment.
John: I”m John Richardson from the blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money (!)
so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 217 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

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Rob- There is another twist in the Peruta versus San Diego court case. That’s the case that ruled ordinary citizens have the right to armed self-defense outside the home. Kamala Harris is the California Attorney General, and she declined to be part of the Peruta case.. until it was ruled in favor of citizen self-defense. Harris used to be the District Attorney in San Francisco. Now that the gun grabbers lost, Harris asked the judges on the ninth circuit to review and overturn the decision. She said city government needs the right to arbitrarily deny citizens the right of self-defense. Harris found a ninth circuit judge from… yes, from San Francisco.. who agreed with her.  There remains some hope for citizens on the left coast.

John – Today the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals released its decision in another California carry case and it was a win for carry. Richards v. Prieto was a suit against the sheriff of Yolo County, Ed Prieto, over his restrictive policy for approving concealed carry permits. The court ruled 3-0 that given Peruta, the trial court had erred in not granting the plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment.  This lawsuit was brought by the CalGuns Foundation and the Second Amendment Foundation and was heard at the same time as the Peruta case. The 9th Circuit heard arguments in 3 cases that day concerning restrictions on granting carry permits – Peruta, Richards, and a third case from Hawaii, Baker v. Kealoha. We are still waiting for a decision that that 3rd case.

Paul – We got a comment on our website that contained a link to an interesting story off of Russia Today.  The article is well worth a read and I would like to read a few paragraphs from it.

An online initiative to soften Russian gun laws by radically broadening the legal definition of self-defense has gathered over 100,000 signatures and must now be considered by parliament.  The petition titled “My home is my fortress” was launched by the Right to Arms organization – a relatively new group that actively promotes the liberalization of gun laws in Russia. The essence of the proposal is that any resistance citizens offer to intruders inside their homes must be considered as necessary self-defense.

Currently, the law only lists as necessary self-defense the actions aimed at protection of personal safety, and against actions that threaten or could potentially threaten human lives. Charges of murder or inflicting grievous bodily harm can be lifted if the suspect proves that he was necessarily acting in self-defense. The Right to Arms initiative suggests that if a confrontation takes place inside a home between the owner and an intruder the burden of proof lies on the intruder.The activists claim that this would prevent cases in which people faced trial and sometimes conviction for protecting themselves and their families against violent aggressors.

The explanatory note posted together with the draft reads that the current situation is very unbalanced – breaking into other people’s homes is considered a much softer offence than murder or grievous bodily harm. Because of this, ordinary citizens fear to resist intruders and become easy victims.

In addition, the activists suggest broadening the legal definition of “home” and include not only the official permanent residence, but also places of temporary lodging, like hotels and holiday homes. They also suggested altering the criminal code and making unsanctioned entry into other people’s cars a crime punishable with a heavy fine or up to 2 years behind bars – currently it is only prosecuted if the aggrieved party manages to prove the intention of theft.

Rachel -The American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri filed a lawsuit today.  The case started last July when Jordan Klaffer was slapped with a court order to remove social media postings criticizing a police officer in southeast Missouri.

Klaffer often fired his gun on his own property.  Police officer Jerry Bledsoe responded to a noise complaint and confronted Klaffer. Klaffer videotaped the interaction where Officer Bledsoe demanded that Klaffer surrender his guns or be arrested.  Klaffer refused and was arrested for disturbing the peace.

Klaffer then posted recordings of the encounter on YouTube and Facebook.  Officer Bledsoe then obtaining a court order demanding that Klaffer stop posting videos, pictures, and text data criticizing the officer.  The ACLU objected and said, “A government order prohibiting criticism of government is the worst kind of censorship.”

Rob- There are risks when a University bans licensed firearms.  Students are the disarmed on campus.. and off campus.  PJ’s is a restaurant on the edge of the Ohio State university campus.  Students eat there, work there, and are also robbed there.  A robber said he had a gun and demanded money from the PJ’s cashier.  He threatened to shoot the cashier, a student at OSU, if she did not open the cash register and hand over the money.  She complied and was not injured.. this time.  Others aren’t so lucky.

John – We have an update from the NFA on that situation in Canada where the RCMP changed the classification of the Swiss Arms PE-90 Classic Green Carbine to prohibited after saying it was OK for 10 years.  Minister for Public Safety Steven Blaney will be introducing a five-year amnesty period for owners of these now prohibited firearms. This amnesty covers possession of these firearms only. It is unclear whether this is a temporary measure pending changes to the Firearms Act and Criminal Code or the end of the matter.

Paul- Also at school, three teenage students were shot at an Ohio high school last year.  Their families have sued the school for failing to address the threat and protect their children.  Putting up signs that announce the school is a gun free zone, well that isn’t enough to stop a threat.. and it isn’t enough to stop lawsuits.  We’ve had Jim Irvine and Joe Kalil on the show in the last month, and both of them train school staff to protect students.  It is time school boards listened.

John – As part of President Obama’s decrees, pardon me, I meant Executive Actions, regarding guns in the wake of the Newtown shootings, the Dept of Justice appears ready to release 3 changes to the NICS or National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The first change grants Indian tribal police access to the NICS database. The second would authorize law enforcement agencies to run background checks before returning firearms seized or confiscated during the course of investigations. And the final rule change would allow the electronic storage – a database in other words – of all denials of gun purchases that had been denied by the NICS system.

Rachel- Senator Rand Paul opposes President Obama’s nominee for Surgeon General.  Doctor Vivek Murthy is the co-founder of Doctors for America, which grew out of the campaign organization Doctors for Obama.  Quoting Senator Paul, ““We are asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to withdraw Murthy’s nomination.  Every other word that comes out of Murthy’s mouth or through his tweets is something condemning gun owners, condemning the NRA.”  Senator Paul said he’d filibuster Murthy’s nomination.  The NRA objects to Murthy also.  It sounds like Senator Paul needs could use our help.

Gun Quotes
The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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We have an interview with Rick Ector. Rick is a firearms instructor in Detroit, and Detroit had four gun owners successfully defend themselves this week.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob DGU- James Cvengaros (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) lived every gun owners nightmare. The resident of Pocatello Idaho heard the upstairs apartment being broken into. That is when (SVEN-GAR-OWZ)’s girl friend called the police.. for the first time. Then they heard a second apartment being broken into and called the police again. That is when (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) retrieved his handgun. A man then kicked in (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) door and threatened him with a machete.  The homeowner asked the man to stop several times before he fired his gun.  The assailant is in intensive care and expected to live.

 This is a horrible experience for anyone.  The best that can be said is James and his family were not hurt.  I’m sorry for all concerned, but thank you, James (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) for stopping this attack before it became worse.

John- A Fenton, Missouri woman shot at intruders who entered her home. Two men entered through the front door of her home at about 3 a.m.   Awakened by the noise, she  got up, grabbed her gun and went downstairs to investigate. She fired three shots, and the men ran away. The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department continues to look for suspects.

Rachel: In Palm Beach Gardens Florida Police say 81 year old Rosco Rock was at home with 2 females whom he rented rooms to when a 39 year old boyfriend slashed the tires of one of the women and forced his way into the house. on Saturday March 1st.

According to investigators, Rock retrieved a handgun and shot the intruder who was arguing with the women, the intruder aggressively approached Rock and then Rock shot him. The intruder was transported to the hospital where he is not expected to survived.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Email from Marc in Ohio
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Guys,
I want to share this story with you. A 10 year old is suspended for 3 days for pointing his finger gun at his schoolmate. I really thought Ohio schools were above this. I have contacted the father of this young man and offered to contact any school administrator he see fit. I find these overreactions embarrassing.  I’d like to welcome John to the show. John you’re doing great.
Marc from Ohio

We also heard from Greg in Bremmerton who wanted us to discuss the recently released  G2 Research RIP ammo.

Segment 5 Show close
John : The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.
Rob We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rachel: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Go check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

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Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John:    since the Canadians are listening, join CSSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 216 – John McGregor

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the first of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we interviewed John McGregor from the Sig Sauer Academy.
Rob: I’m Rob and we’ll also have news, defensive gun use, and a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
John: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 216 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: Shopped for a gun on Friday.
John: You were at a Law Review symposium on the Second Amendment.
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Rob -New Jersey, heads up!  The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs told us that the State Assembly is considering a bill reducing firearms capacity to 10 rounds.  There is no grandfathering or amnesty period in Assembly bill A2006.  This legislation outlaws many tube fed 22 caliber rifles by Browning, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester.  Remember, magazines in New Jersey are fixed.  First the state required that magazines can’t be removed.. and then outlawed the part they required be fixed to the gun.  Violation of the law is a felony with a three year minimum sentence.

John- From our colleague David Codrea, the California Department of Justice added a so called “smart gun” to the handgun roster.  Of course, the smart gun doesn’t meet the required microstamping requirements.  Cal DOJ said the gun was admitted before the microstamping requirements went into effect.  No schedule was released.

Paul- Also from David,  a knife wielding gang killed 27 people in a China train station.  109 were injured.  Eventually the police arrived and shot some of the attackers.  Once again, disarming innocent citizens does not protect them.

John- It proves that Chinese politicians care as much about the safety of their citizens as New York politicians.

Rob -So much for background checks.  A total of 9 new rifles were stolen from the gun safe at a Memphis area Wallmart.  Most of our listeners are aware that criminals use stolen guns for crime and don’t bother with registering their firearms.

Paul- Criminals know background checks won’t stop them.  If only politicians were as smart as criminals.

John -One of the first prosecutions under New York’s SAFE act was brought to court, tried.. and dismissed.  Police officers stopped Paul Wojdan when Wojdan was a passenger in a car the police pulled over for speeding.  His registered and permitted firearm was in the glove compartment.  He had more rounds in the magazine than are permitted by New York law.  Lockport City Judge William Watson dismissed the misdemeanor charges since the the magazine was searched without a warrant.  Now, Wojdan wants all six of his firearms back since the Niagara County Sheriff’s Office confiscated all of the guns listed on his pistol permit.

Rob: California Attorney General Kamila Harris requested an en banc review and reversal of Peruta V San Diego.  She is shocked that the common people want to protect themselves.  Why, law enforcement has to grant licenses to mere commoners, gasp.  Harris used to be the District Attorney of San Francisco.

Paul- Also in California, Sheriff Adam Christianson of Stanislaus County, California wrote a defense of concealed carry licenses for the local newspaper.  The court’s recent rulings have no effect since Sheriff Christianson already issued permits on a shall issue basis with licenses increasing by another ten percent last year.  The police budget is being cut and the Sheriff hopes that criminals think twice now that citizens are armed.  The biggest problem the sheriff faces with license holders is that some drive while intoxicated.  Quoting the Sheriff, “I’ve heard plenty of rhetoric about abuse, vigilantism and other predictions of doom and gloom related to the issuance of concealed carry permits. To date, we’ve not had a single incident or occurrence where that has happened.”

John: Sounds like the sheriff is smarter than the attorney general.

John- A Michigan state senator has introduced legislation simplifying the process to receive a concealed carry license.  Sen. Mike Green introduced Senate Bill 789 which would decrease the renewal fee from $105 to $90 and use the Michigan State Police to run background checks.

John: Comment on Canadian RCMP changing their regulations. On Feb 27th at 10 pm, the RCMP reclassified the Swiss Arms PE90 – the Canadian equivalent of the SIG 551 – from being either unrestricted or restricted to prohibited. 10 years earlier that had said the firearm was OK to own. The approximately 1,800 Canadians who bought one over the last 10 years have to turn them in and will not be compensated. They have suggested gun owners ask their dealers for refunds.

Rob- In Illinois, the first 5 thousand concealed carry licenses were scheduled to be printed and mailed yesterday.  These licenses are for the initial applicants who helped check out the statewide applications system.  Most of them are firearms instructors.  We should be getting pictures from our friends in Illinois by mid-week.

Paul- That reminds me that Illinois Gun Lobby Day (IGOLD) is coming up next Wednesday, march 5th.  The website is I G O L D . I S R A .org  of do a websearch on IGOLD.

John- Comment on the gun owners law seminar.  Blackman talked about 3D printing of guns.  Plans and drawings are protected speech under the first amendment.

Rob- Domestic violence victims in Kentucky could apply for an expedited permit to carry a concealed gun under a bill passed by the Kentucky House. House Bill 351 would allow the state to quickly issue concealed-carry permits for 45 days to people who have received court protective orders in abuse cases. The Senate Judiciary Committee approved a similar bill, SB 106, on Thursday.  That is some good news for people in trouble.
Paul- Gun Quotes-
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.” —Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back with listener comments after this

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Mike Vanderboegh strongly worded letter-
Paul: We had a comment on the website:
I took Robs side on Mike Vanderbough releasing names of the politicians voting for CT’s latest anti gun legislation. I completely understand where you were coming from with not releasing addresss’s.
That was until you validated your opinion. That’s when I felt stabbed in the back. You said “they did nothing wrong” until they do i.e. gun confiscation, the names and address shouldn’t be released.
That means you don’t believe that anti 2A bill CT just passed is wrong. They totally infringed our 2A rights. They already did wrong, you just pulled a Guns & ammo Metcalf moment.
That’s really bad, real bad.

John:
Rob: We disagree. Did you read Mike’s letters? You trust Connecticut gun owners with an AR, but not an address? I’m sorry, but I don’t get it.

Mike posted the names and addresses of Connecticut legislators who outlawed the AR15 and standard capacity mags. You say that Mike Vanderboegh is inciting violence by posting the names and addresses of Connecticut politicians. I think he is helping to reduce the likelihood of violence. You say he is creating a problem. I say the Connecticut politicians created the problem and Mike is trying to minimize the result.

This is how we got here. The Connecticut politicians outlawed the most common rifle in America. In legal terms, it is a firearm in common use”. Existing rifles must be registered. Most gun owners declined. These same politicians then told CT gun owners to turn in their firearms or face arrest and prosecution.

I paraphrase Mike for brevity, but this is what he asked honest gun owners to do- “First, we must — we have a moral duty to — use every peaceful way to avoid violence right up to the moment they open fire on innocent civilians.”

Mike asked Connecticut politicians to stop their war on gun owners before it turns bloody. “I am BEGGING you.. to use your power to suspend the enforcement of the new gun laws until they are ruled constitutional or not by the United States Supreme Court.”

We’ve seen police use unnecessary no-knock warrants. We report on them several times a month. We’ve seen honest citizens get killed in those no-knock entries. The blood of honest citizens is not the correct solution for a political problem, a problem the Connecticut politicians created for themselves.

I am afraid the political status quo will lead to bloodshed and I think the Connecticut politicians are to blame. Mike asked moral gun owners to hold politicians accountable for the problem the politicians created. Mike said, “People victimized by their own state authorities in an unconstitutional law.. will blame the people who sent the killers to their door.”

Honest gun owners are not a risk to public safety so there is no pressing need for police action. None. The only risk is to some politician’s reputation. THAT is precisely the problem, and some of the politicians want to mask their political failure with innocent blood. That is despicable. A police state oppressing honest citizens is not a good political solution.

Politicians work for us. They are public figures. They need to be seen and known to the public they serve. That is how the American system works. It promotes violence when government officials live in secret and are insulated from the people they serve. History has taught us that. Mike asked Connecticut citizens to walk up to the front door of these politicians and ask them to overturn their oppressive gun laws. Welcome to democracy, face to face. That is exactly what Rachel is advocating in the Texas caucuses.

If you don’t want to meet and talk to the citizens then don’t become a politician.

Speaking for myself, I don’t want the police to come between the people and the politicians. A violent police state is profoundly dangerous. We’ve seen the police step out of the way before. It is called the blue flu.

It is time for the state police to step back and stop being pawns.

We have a three segment interview coming up with John McGregor. John is an active law enforcement officer as well as being an instructor at the Sig Sauer Academy in New Hampshire.

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John- DGU-A homeowner in Pine County Minnesota heard someone unexpectedly open the door to his his  home at two in the morning.  The homeowner grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruder standing in his living room.  The homeowner held the intruder at gunpoint and called police.  When the police were arriving, the intruder reached for his waistband.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Police followed tracks in the snow and located a man hiding in a snow bank behind a tree. The man was treated for hypothermia then booked into the Pine County Jail.  A vehicle, connected to the suspect, was found nearby.

Paul- DGU- This is sad news.  A young robber died and three young people face murder charges.  Two young men attempted a robbery armed with a 20 gauge shotgun.  Two accomplices waited in a get away car.  They demanded drugs and money from a homeowner in Hubert, North Carolina.  The homeowner secured and fired his 22 caliber pistol wounding the gunman.  The four fled, but crashed their car into another vehicle while en route to the hospital.  The 21 year gunman was taken to Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital for treatment, but was later pronounced dead.

Rob- DGU- A pizza delivery driver shot and wounded two robbers Thursday night in northwest Harris County, Texas.  Two men armed with guns and wearing bandanas over their faces entered the Domino’s Pizza Parlor and demanded money.  The delivery driver was in the store at the time, and had 25 years experience as a Harris County  Deputy Sheriff.  He drew his duty weapon and fired, injuring the two gunmen.  The gunmen were transported to Taub Medical Center in critical condition.  Neither the deputy nor other Domino’s employees were injured.  A Vice President at Domino’s pizza said they have a no weapons policy, but this a very unusual situation since their delivery driver was also an officer of the law.
Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: Listener e-mail discussion
Email from Shawn in Ohio:
Enjoyed the show. I am a resident of Ohio and a graduate of TDI’s F.A.S.T.E.R. Program sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Ass. It was great to hear your interview with Jim Ervin.
Shawn

Email from Ian:
Hi Paul, your initial reaction was not too surprising at the guy who wanted the English lady’s introduction removed. Your justification and emotional response was a pleasure to hear.

Thank you.
The reason I thank you?

I’m English, and I am also partner in a firearms training company called FAST OC down here in California… where I have had the pleasure of teaching quite a few Americans how to shoot. With my English accent.

I am also very community orientated and grow sick of the small minded idiocy of a percentage of gun owners that simply do not understand what they are saying… and how bigoted they are. It gets really weird when they are contradicting the fact that we are talking about, as you rightly pointed out, a human right. So few people seem to want to push back and explain that, and so the ignorance perpetuates itself.

Wouldn’t it be a bit weird if only American Citizens could keep and bear arms? It would make American citizens a protected class, missing the whole damn point of the 2nd Amendment!

As for Piers Morgan… I know the UK doesn’t want him back. There are two types of people back in the homeland. Those who despise Piers Morgan, and those who REALLY despise Piers Morgan.

Anyway, thanks again for making your position clear and thanks for the podcast. It’s one of the finest.
Regards,
Ian

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I have two of them.  One of them covers the expected backlog of carry licenses.  We expect 60 thousand applications in my county alone.

I wrote another post called Crazy Gun Laws for Us, but Not for Them.   Over and over we’re told gun regulations are essential to save lives, yet each time these public safety laws are written, public safety officers are the first to receive exemptions.  You can tell an abusive law when the politicians exempt themselves and other government employees.  That post was picked up at Clash Daily and Ammoland.  Both are on my blog.

John, do you have any blog posts that you want to talk about?  I wrote about the Canadian RCMP re-regulation at http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/02/interesting-controversy-going-on-in.html

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join CSA and NFA And Grass Roots North Carolina.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 215 – John Richardson and Frank Fiamingo

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of February 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we interviewed Frank Fiamingo from the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
John: I’m John Richardson from the Blog “No Lawyers, only Guns and Money”. We have our usual firearms news and defensive gun use. So climb aboard
Paul: strap in
Rob: And hang on! Episode 215 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Paul-
Rob- Shopping for a concealed carry gun in California. The Glock 17 looks good. As I was shopping I found that the Ruger SR 22 is now off list in California. The Ruger SR9 is going off list in a few months. This is becoming the revolver state! The lines are crazy! I was at a gun store where you had to take a number to ask a question. (Now serving number 39.)
John?
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Paul- Texas has a lot of political conventions. It has conventions at the Precinct, County and State level, and Texas has 254 counties! These conventions lead up to the primary vote. Our regular co-host Rachel Malone is conducting training sessions in advance of these conventions and urging second amendment activists to attend. Someone has to expose the record of lazy legislators. There are also petitions to allow open carry and extend where licence holders may carry. Thank you, Rachel. Please give her a hand if you’re in Texas, and contact her at Texas Firearms Freedom .com

John- More news from Texas.  The citizens of Texas open carry the only way they can.  A group of civil rights activists openly carried their long arms last month when two of them were arrested, but not charged.  That irritated these honest gun owners.  Last week they had an open carry march in Andrews, Texas, and participation doubled in size to 80 participants.  No arrests were reported this time.

 

Rob- Staying out west, we have an update to these two stories from New Mexico that we covered a few months back, and here is a “thank you” to Mick who sent them in.

First, the good news out of New Mexico is that several gun control bills failed to pass out of the state legislature.  Some made it out of committee on party line votes, but they lacked the backing to pass both houses.  This includes a bill to block concealed carry in the capital.

Paul- The second New Mexico story is about 64-year-old David Eckert who was stopped by the Demming Police.  Eckert was taken to a local hospital and subject to an involuntary cavity search and x-ray to see if he was transporting drugs.  No evidence was ever found of drugs or any other illegal activity.  The police and sheriff departments involved have agreed to pay Eckert 1.6 million dollars.  The suit against the Gila Regional Medical Center has not been settled.  Unfortunately, several other citizens were treated this way, and no discipline or termination of the officers has not been made public.

John- You may remember an earlier report about two police officers who were holding down a mentally disturbed 90 pound high school student they had just tazed.  That is when a Southport, North Carolina detective stepped between the officers and killed the teenager with a single shot to the chest.  District Attorney Jon David convened a grand jury.  The grand jury indicted detective Byron Vassey on charges of voluntary manslaughter and bail was set at 50 thousand dollars.  District Attorney David said, “After I reviewed the case I found that a crime almost certainly took place.  It was a ‘bad shoot’ and a grand jury agreed.”  Detective Vassey has been suspended without pay.

Rob- That news you just read from North Carolina belongs in our NOT A Defensive Gun Use column!

Paul- We took this news item from our Stupid Government File, Washington DC prosecutors rested their case against against Mark Witaschek.  (WHIT-A-SHEK) Witaschek is charged with having a misfired shotgun shell in his DC apartment.  He was prosecuted under DC’s laws outlawing all ammunition components unless they fit a gun you’ve previously registered in the district.  Witaschek keeps his guns in Virginia.  Spokesman for the DC attorney general claimed  the dud-shotgun shell was technically operational and that Witaschek was prosecuted because he posed an ongoing and serious danger to the public.  Despite that claim, the DC prosecutors downgraded charges against Witaschek to avoid a jury trial.  Appearing before a judge, Witaschek still faces thousands of dollars in fines, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs, and six months in jail.

John- But that doesn’t deserve a jury trial?
Rob- I know why they are prosecuting Witaschek. Most of the evidence in the case was suppressed because the police did not have a warrant for their earlier no-knock raid. DC continues to prosecute him in the hope they can get him convicted of any crime so the city can use that conviction to stop Witaschek from suing the city for unlawful entry. I hope the city fails and pays.
John- The Stupid Government file is bulging these days.

Rob- San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore has a schedule extending past September for the initial interviews for concealed carry licenses. Orange County is taking applications for November. They delay the “initial interview” since California law (Penal Code 26205) requires that permits must be processed within 90 days. The waiting list will get longer, and Sheriff Gore leaves citizens at risk while he fumbles.

Just this week, a masked gunman robbed a San Ysidro hotel at gunpoint Monday night. He struck the night clerk and threatened him with a handgun. In another part of San Diego, a masked man threatened the gas station clerk with a gun and demanded cash. He fled on foot with an undisclosed amount of money. There are another 180 violent crimes in San Diego each day, and the Sheriff tells us to wait.

John- There are still 30 violent crimes each day in the richest Los Angeles suburbs, and interim Sheriff John L. Scott thinks that is acceptable. Scott will wait until the courts force him to issue permits for armed self-defense in public.

Paul- There is another California story in store.
Rob: Of course there is. There is stupid, and there is California Stupid.

Someone invented what they call a “smart gun.”  Sometimes the gun recognizes when it is close to an electronic watch, and it will let you fire it when you’re close to this watch.  Sometimes it won’t.  That is why the police don’t want it.  California requires that we use smart guns despite the fact they don’t work.

New Jersey has similar laws.  They claim that a police officer should use “smart guns” so their weapon can’t be used against them, but the New Jersey police are not that stupid.  Yes, the requirement is being appealed to the courts, but the courts are weak protection of our rights at best.

Paul- I thought the police were citizens.  No?

Rob- Is it an accident that they require us to use a gun that doesn’t work, or is it on purpose?

John- California Stupid could be coming to a legislature near you.

Rob- Oh, like microstamping?

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Paul – Connecticut officials have a problem on their hands.  Some Connecticut gun owners registered their firearms as required by new laws.  Some missed the deadline.  Now Connecticut has told the gun owners who filed late to get rid of their unregistered firearms.  So far state officials have ignored the 90 percent of Connecticut gun owners who did not register their guns.  Are law enforcement officers going to start kicking in doors?  Mike Vanderbough of the Blog Sipsy Street has posted the names, addresses and photographs of the legislators who passed the latest anti-gun bills.

Y’all stay safe out there.

John- Some lawmakers are smarter than others.  A concealed carry holder in Michigan is usually prohibited from carrying at schools, churches, sporting events and restaurants that serve alcohol.  A bill introduced by Michigan representative Tim Kelly gives permission to carry in those prohibited places to victims of domestic violence and stalking.  The bill is HB 5355.  Quoting Kelly, “Anyone who needs to take out a restraining order to protect themselves from violent crimes like domestic violence should be given the same rights as those who work with violent criminals.  The unfortunate reality is that some violent offenders.. take advantage of a gun-free zone to inflict further pain on the victim.”

Rob: Yep, that makes Tim Kelly smarter than my California legislators.

Rob- Ukraine’s Interior Minister, Vitaliy Zakharchenko (ZAK HAR SHEN KO), said the use of automatic weapons and long range rifles against unarmed civilians in Kiev was “in line with the law”.  That attitude by a government official explains why Ukraine’s citizens would not back down and recently overthrew their government.  My thought has always been that the individuals right to own a weapon ought only to be limited by their financial situation.  You should be able to own anything you can afford all the way from a 10-22 to an F-22.  Finland allows citizens to own their own anti-tank guns.

John- Now that they deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych (YAN UH KO VITCH) and are seeking him for warcrimes,  the Ukraine Gun Owners Association wants changes to Ukrainian constitution.  They said they will work on amendments which would provide an unconditional right for Ukrainian citizens to bear arms.  Over 70 people died during protests this last week, and amateur videos showed snipers shooting at unarmed protesters.

Quotes from the protesters,
“People should have the right to bear arms, which will be put in written into the Constitution.”
“Authorities should not, and will not, be stronger than the people!”
“Armed people are treated with respect!”
Paul : These Ukrainians figured out why we have a second amendment here in the US.

Rob: I’ve always wondered what a trained SWAT sniper would do if he saw police shooting first aid worker and other civilians.

Paul: Our Gun Quote today is in honor of Ukraine and Venezuela- ”They tell us that we are weak and unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Three million people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.”
~Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Rob- DGU- A Cincinnati dog owner was trying to retrieve her dog when the dog attacked the owner’s friend.  A nearby postman tried to get the dog to let go but was unsuccessful.  A stranger walked by, drew his firearm, and killed the dog.  The victim was bitten on her arms and legs.  She returned home after a few hours of medical treatment.  The unidentified stranger kept walking.
The dog’s owner said the man who shot her dog did the right thing.  Police said the man who shot the dog didn’t do anything wrong and would not be charged with a crime.
Rob: Doing the same thing in Washington DC makes you a criminal.

Paul DGU- Detroit has two legged predators.  A Detroit woman arrived home just after midnight.  Two carjackers pointed a gun at her head as she walked to her front door.  She drew her own gun and shot the gunman seven times.  He died at the scene.
About 90 minutes later a second pair of robbers burst into a home and that homeowner killed one of them.  The second criminal escaped.

As of Sunday morning, the score is
Detroit gun owners -2
Detroit criminals- zero

John DGU- A burglar broke a window to enter a Dyersburg, Tennessee apartment, but got more than he intended.  Hearing his apartment being broken into, the unnamed resident fired a single shot hitting thirty year old David Miles Junior in the groin.  Police found Mr. Miles a short distance from the apartment complex, the same complex where he is also lived.  Miles was transported to a Memphis hospital where he was treated for the non-life threatening gunshot wound and released into police custody.  Miles is now charged with aggravated burglary, but he also has pending domestic violence charges.

Another apartment resident said it was a good example for others, “Don’t break into houses, because you could get shot like that.” The District Attorney’s office said charges would not be filed against the resident who defended his home.

Rob DGU- A homeowner is safe and an armed robber is in jail.  A homeowner in western Washington was in his garage with a friend working on a car.  That is when two masked men entered the garage and tried to rob them at gunpoint.  The homeowner’s friend retrieved a gun from his car and shot one of the robbers.  The other thief fled.  After police arrived, the wounded criminal was transported to a local medical center with serious injuries.

Paul DGU- An 11-year-old girl shot a cougar that followed her 14-year-old brother to their home in north-central Washington.  The female cougar was about 4 years old and weighed about 50 pounds, or half of what it should weigh.  It was the third cougar killed in a week in the area just outside Twisp.
The children’s father, Tom White, had chased the cougar away from their calves twice before. The next day, his son went out to feed the dogs and was returning home when the cougar followed to the door. The 11 year old had a hunting tag to shoot the cougar.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas on March 1st and 2nd.

John: Rob do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I posted an article about armed school staff called “A Good Teacher with a Gun”.  Did you know that Connecticut school boards can allow armed staff in schools?  They didn’t, and Sandy Hook teachers died fighting with their bare hands.  Let’s give them the tools they need.  That is at SlowFacts.wordpress.com

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Robl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

 

John; add Grass Roots North Carolina, and since the Canadians are listening, join C S A and N F A.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.
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