Episode 287 – Brandon Combs

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.  This episode is recorded live on Sunday the 23rd of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Obama administration’s efforts to silence reporter Sharyl Attkisson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a couple fought back against 3 home invaders..
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Brandon Combs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 287 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Welcome back to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.

Paul – .Susan and I did the Rescue run. It was supposed to be all complete on Monday, it stretched into Tuesday because of weather. Went out the rest of the week and had a good time hanging out with my sweetheart yesterday.  Did some dry fire practice yesterday morning and today have been running around a ton.   We are getting closer to Shot Show and have been in the planning stage. Susan and I decided that it would be smarter to rent a car and drive down rather than flying this year. we may be doing the same for GRPC next fall.

John – We did a story earlier about the ten worst cities for knife owners. I celebrated that by buying a knife that probably would be illegal in all ten of them! It is a CRKT Heiho folder that I got off of Woot. I also ordered a carbon fiber AR-15 lower from Tegra Arms. It want to do an ultralight build and this will save some weight. I’ll report on it after I get it built.

Rob- Gun Owners of California County meeting on Tuesday.  On the “One America” cable news channel Wednesday evening discussing gun rights.  That couldn’t have happened without John and Rachel for writing up Wednesday’s show.  Had food poisoning Thursday.  Shot IDPA yesterday.  I need time to dry practice.IDPA draw good speed bad form

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-We already knew the Obama administration keeps an enemies list.  We already knew they used government agencies to target their political enemies.  And anyone who does not support the Obama administration’s policies is considered an enemy.  Today we have more proof.  CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson wrote about the US Department of Justice running guns to mexican drug gangs.  We also knew Attkisson wrote stories that never saw the light of day because her editors wouldn’t put them on the air.  We suspected the news managers at CBS were spiking the stories to please washington politicians.  That suspicion was confirmed in a department of justice e-mail.

The e-mail was buried in the 64 thousand e-mails released on the evening before the election.  Tracy Schmaler, who headed Eric Holder’s Office of Public Affairs, said Sharyl Attkisson had already hurt the reputation of Attorney General Eric Holder.  Schmaler reached out to Attkisson’s boss at CBS to have her stories stopped.  Even though it was buried in that stack of other documents, this e-mail was probably released by mistake.  The e-mail would have been redacted, but Attkisson’s name was misspelled in the e-mail.

-Rob was on TV this week with an anti-rights advocate who claimed guns cause crime.  In truth, crime and criminal violence go up and down for a variety of factors.  Many of the factors that should cause crime are on the increase.  For example, we’ve seen high unemployment, unprecedented numbers of home foreclosures, and massive drug-related violence in Mexico.  We’ve also seen more Americans choose to own a gun than ever before.  Despite those factors, violent crime in the US, including crime involving firearms, has been going down or holding steady.  If you hear otherwise, someone is lying. http://firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=752:guns-up-crime-down&catid=19:the-knox-update&Itemid=144

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-This is a followup to a story we reported on in the last episode. Thanks to a local gun dealer the Lynden Pioneer Museum in Bellingham, Washington won’t have to remove the World War 2 vintage firearms from their  exhibit entitled “Over the Beach: The WWII Pacific Theater”. They thought that with the passage of I-594 it would have been too costly to conduct background checks to comply with the law. Pistol Annie’s Jewelry and Pawn of nearby Bonney Lake, Washington has stepped in to run the background checks for free. They normally charge $40 per background check.

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-Attorney Alan Gura represented four gun owners in the Palmer v. District of Columbia case started in 2009.  This week, Gura argued that the District has not lived up to the court ordered obligations.  Yes, the district passed new laws that allow for concealed carry, but at the same time, the District made it impossible for the original plaintiffs to obtain gun-carry permits. Quote, “There is no way in the world my clients can obtain a license to carry a gun.” close quote.

Judge Scullin asked the lawyers for the District to show him statistics demonstrating that restricting gun-carry to people who have demonstrated a special need has enhanced public safety.  Assistant Attorney General Andrew Saindon said he did not have any such statistics.

Judge Scullin then asked the city and the plaintiffs for additional filings on whether the city should be considered in contempt.

US District Ct Judge Anthony Ishii denied the request by California Attorney General Kamala Harris for an extended stay in the case Sylvester v. Harris. This case involves the 10-day waiting period for firearm purchases in California and its application to certain gun owners who have either Certificates of Eligibility or California carry permits. Judge Ishii had previously ruled this violates the Second Amendment. Harris had tried to argue that other projects had higher priority than fixing the Bureau of Firearms database. Judge Ishii didn’t take kindly to this and said, “The Court does not know how Defendant or the BOF prioritizes projects, but dealing with an unconstitutional law should be towards the top of the list.”

-We reported on the recent change in Pennsylvania law that allows gun owners to sue, and more importantly to collect monetary damages from, cities who violate the Pennsylvania firearms preemption law.  The Norristown Pennsylvania city council just repealed a four-year-old law that required residents to report lost or stolen guns within 48 hours. Norristown police Chief Mark Talbot said the revocation would not have an impact on public safety.  He said a felon making a straw purchase was “unlikely to refrain from doing it because of a local law.”

Several Pennsylvania towns have done the same thing and repealed their gun restrictions.

-Jay Leno was supposed to be the featured entertainment at the NSSF’s State of the Industry dinner. That was before the anti-gun forces including Everytown Moms, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and the Newtown Action Alliance got involved. Under pressure from these groups he unilaterally cancelled his appearance. Leno’s people tried to claim that he was under the false impression it was a “sportsman’s show” and not “a pro-gun lobby show”. Moreover, they said he hadn’t received any money. That was a lie as the NSSF had already wired Leno over $80,000 as a deposit.

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John- This quote was sent in by Ken who lives in the free state of Arizona.  News commentator Edward R. Murrow said: “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interview

With Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition

Segment 4 DGUs

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-A Lakewood, Washington couple in their 60s was attacked by three armed home invaders.   The robbers forced their way in as the husband answered the door. The couple was beaten, and tied up.  The thugs ransacked the house looking for valuables. The couple was able to free themselves when the robbers left them unguarded for a moment.  They retreated to their bedroom, locked the door, and retrieved a firearm. A pair of the home invaders tried to force their way into the bedroom and one of the robbers was shot and killed. Taijon Voorhees, 19, was found dead after being dumped by the others. Police arrested ninteen year old Duprea Wilson, and a 17 year old.  Both face 12 felony charges including 2nd Deg murder.

A robber in Calumet City, Illinois thought a fake gun would do the trick when he threatened the owner of Cal City Bakery on Tuesday. The owner, however, was armed with a real handgun and shot the robber seven times.  Calumet City Police Chief Edward Gilmore said the bakery owner had a valid FOID card and no charges would be brought. Quote “..it seems the owner did everything the right way. He was in fear of his life and acted in a prudent manner to save his life and the life of his employee, based on the facts he knew at the time.”  close quote.

Two thugs tried to rob an Eastside Indianapolis tire store on Thursday. They approached the store owner and his girlfriend and demanded money. That is when the girlfriend pulled her pistol and engaged the robbers. She received a wound to her neck while one of the robbers also was shot. Both were taken to the hospital.

When Ronnie Green, 74, of Rosedale, CA  heard his female neighbor scream Friday evening, he armed himself and went to help. He came across Greg Miller, 51, who had been stalking the woman. Miller threatened Mr. Green with a knife and then kicked the elderly man in the chest. Mr. Green then shot the stalker in the foot. Kern County Sheriff’s deputies found Miller after he crashed his car. Miller was jailed after being treated for his gunshot wound. He was charged with stalking, elder abuse, battery, and making criminal threats. Green faces no charges for his self-defense shooting.

-A man came into the South Main Internet Café in Salisbury, North Carolina armed with a gun. He ordered everyone to get on the ground.  He then pointed the handgun in the teller’s face and demanded money from the till. The female teller dropped the money tray onto the ground and had to bend down to get the cash and stack it on the counter.  The robber put his gun on the counter while attempting to stuff the cash in his clothing.  That is when the female teller grabbed the robber’s gun, pointed it at him and fired.  She missed.  The man ran off and has not been found.  More than a half dozen people were inside the café when the attempted armed robbery happened.  No one was hurt.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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An interesting email from Ken in Arizona.

Paul, again, I apologize for hogging your email, but I keep having thoughts. Here’s my latest one:

Are we, as 2nd Amendment supporters, insane. Are they, as gun-grabbers, insane. You know how they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We keep fighting to restore and preserve the 2nd Amendment, but the forces against us continue, and seem to be gaining strength in a perpetual tug-of-war.

Is it time we realize this fight will continue forever? Is it time we realize there are just some factions in this Nation who will never accept our civil rights, will never accept the 2nd Amendment, and will fight as long as we fight? A never-ending battle. I do have a solution.

Is it time we accept the reality that we have Free States and Slave States? A house divided against itself cannot stand. Perhaps we should not repeat the First Civil War, and rather than enter into a Second Civil War, we should just accept the reality and break into 2 separate Countries? The philosophies of the Liberal/Progressives are so vastly different from ours, I doubt that there can ever be, or will ever be, a reconciliation.

We in the Free States already have the Constitution that we like. It’s the Slave States that don’t like the Constitution and are trying to destroy it. Therefore, we shouldn’t secede. We should kick them out. But, however the break occurs, we are already of 2 separate minds, can’t get along, constantly struggle, and are driving ourselves crazy with a costly fight that never ends.

I know there have been proposals before, and I raise them yet again. Am I completely wrong to suggest it? Or, has the time come?

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ
PS If we do break apart, any bets as to which Nation is successful and which fails?

John, do you have anything from your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you want to mention?

-John – I did a post on Jay Leno’s wimping out of the SHOT Show. I noted it was more than just an aging comedian cancelling out. It was another coordinated attack on the gun culture to make it an anathema. We to continue growing the grassroots and take people shooting.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Brandon Combs for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 264 – Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I have to apologize to our listeners. I fully intended to be on the weekend show but Charter internet went down in our area of NC. As to firearm news, I’m still waiting for my SIRT pistol. I got an email yesterday saying it was finally shipping.

Rob- Dry practice.  Plan to buy a bunch of ammunition.

Rachel- First official week of homeschool.

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John -In our last episode we reported on the shocking news that some of the mainstream media made an honest report on women in the shooting sports.  Well it happened again.  This report is from a different mainstream media outlet, and it details the tensions between law enforcement and gun control.  The network reported on both the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and on Oathkeepers.  The article cited examples of law enforcement officers refusing to impose unjust gun laws on citizens.  They gave examples where Constitutional Sheriffs stood between their citizens and federal agents who violate the Constitution.  Yes, the article was biased toward statism, but not as much as usual.  It was on NBC news.

Rob Comment- Should we buy a lottery ticket since we are so lucky?

Rob- Radly Balko, who has long studied the misuse of SWAT teams and the militarization of the police, turned his reporter’s eye to the Shaneen Allen case for the Washington Post. He found that African-Americans like Ms. Allen are disproportionately arrested for “gun crimes” at both the local level and at the federal level. He notes that most of this can be boiled down to professional discretion as is the case of Ms. Allen. Many “gun crime” prosecutions are add-ons to other crimes such as robbery and assault. Others, like Ms. Allen, are the result of a victimless crime. He concludes, “But when enforcing victimless crimes, police and prosecutorial discretion can quickly become a tool of injustice, even of systematic oppression. Unless the laws like those in New Jersey are changed, people like Brian Aitken and Shaneen Allen will continue to be wholly at the mercy and discretion of police, prosecutors and governors- and thus subject to all the biases and prejudices of the people who hold those positions.”

Rachel- Marc Rabinoff is a retired professor of human and sports performance. He grew up in New York City and then spent over 30 years in a liberal college environment at Metro State College in Denver. He was only really introduced to firearms 2 years ago when he took a firearms training class to help get over his fear of guns. He liked it. He took more classes and has bought a number of guns including now an AR-15. Having taught for over 30 years, he has now come to the conclusion that educators, after training, should be allowed to carry concealed on campus. He attributes his change to two things: his recent firearms training AND the fact that his son started Columbine High School the year after the mass murders. He says, “if I had to confront a gunman in a classroom, I’d like to be able to do more than hide under chairs or tables and helplessly watch my students being murdered. I’d like to have the option to use the intense training I have undergone and the resulting skills I’ve amassed to save lives.” It has become clear to Dr. Rabinoff that trained teachers could possibly prevent the next tragedy from occurring.

Rob – California had a mandatory waiting 10 day waiting period between when a firearm is purchased and the buyer can take possession of the firearm.  A Federal district court ruled the mandatory waiting period is unconstitutional because it violates the second amendment.  There is why that is fascinating.  *A previous law ruled that some firearms are unusual because fewer than 1 percent of the population had them.  In this case, the judge considered the law unusual because only a handful of states have mandatory waiting periods.  *A previous law ruled that the state must disarm california residents if they exhibit a mental or physical condition making them ineligible to own firearms.  Therefore, if the citizen already has a legally registered firearm or CCW permit, then the state knows he is an eligible gun owner.  The 10 day waiting period may not be applied to all eligible gun owners since that broad restriction is not narrowly tailored to the states interests.  Background checks are sufficient.

John Comment- I wonder if California will now delay the background checks so they take 10 days.

Rachel- An ordinance in Baton Rouge, Louisiana prohibited residents from keeping firearms in their parked cars while they’re inside establishments that sell alcohol.  A Federal Judge ruled that ordinance is unconstitutional and can no longer be enforced.  Ernest Taylor, of Baton Rouge, challenged the ordinance in federal district court last September after he was charged with having rifles in his car and parking in a parking lot at an establishment where alcohol was sold. The Baton Rouge police confiscated Taylor’s rifles.  Judge Brian Jackson said the city ordinance clearly forbids the possession of firearms in any parking lot of an establishment that sells alcohol.  The judge said, “Similarly, the ordinance prohibits law-abiding citizens from purchasing and possessing firearms at any establishment that sells alcohol, thereby rendering the sale of firearms at establishments like Wal-Mart a criminal act.”  The judge scheduled a hearing on October 23nd to determine the monetary damages owed to Mister Taylor.

John – Can you imagine going to the grocery store and having to leave your gun at home because of some arcane local regulation? And this in a state that has drive-thru Daiquiri shops!

Rob- Bars sell alcohol.  So does the pharmacy and every grocery store.

Rachel- You know that Governor Rick Perry sent the Texas National Guard to secure the Mexican Border. Breitbart Texas reported that soldiers would not be allowed to carry personal weapons for self-defense while off-duty.  They are considered “on duty” 24/7, but not allowed to carry their service weapon when out of uniform.  A few days after the news article appeared, the policy was changed and the Texas Guardsmen would be allowed to carry concealed weapons while off duty as long as they were properly licensed.  That leaves the small issue of how the soldiers would be able to transport their personal weapons from their home base to the border region.  You see, personal weapons are not allowed on post, nor in military transport vehicles.

Rob Comment-  There is stupid.. and there is military grade stupid..

Rachel- A- Yep.  When you absolutely, positively need stupid.. we know who to call.

Rob- I’ve met economist Thomas Sowell and Doctor Sowell both thinks clearly and calls others out for the bad ideas.  This time he focused his scorn on the gun grabbers and he mocks their poor rhetoric when they say guns are dangerous.  According to the gun grabbers, guns cause crime, and more guns cause more crime.  Armed guards also must cause more armed attacks because US presidents with armed guards are shot at a rate far higher than unarmed civilians.  Using the logic of the gun grabbers, both celebrities like Rosie O’donnell and President Barack Obama would be safer if we left them unguarded.

Quoting Sowell, “These talking points are often based on a prevailing social vision, rather than on hard facts..  Factual evidence cannot make a dent in that vision.”

John- We have some political news from Massachusetts. The two Democratic candidates for attorney general are trying to outdo each other.  One candidate, Warren Tolman, said he would require finger-print safety technology on all new handguns sold in Massachusetts.  He thinks he could do that under his authority as attorney general.  Quote “Remember, we’re regulating an unsafe product; the most unsafe product sold today is guns.”  Unfortunately, the other candidate, Maura Healey, is nearly as bad.

Rachel Comment- Sorry, Massachusetts.

Rob- Are hte state police required to follow these gun regulations?

Rob- Is there a double standard in law enforcement?  An Orlando police officer killed an innocent woman in a downtown bar early Tuesday morning.  Orlando Police Chief John Mina said “The preliminary indication is that.. Officer Eduardo Sanguino shot and fatally struck Maria Godinez.”  The officer was responding to an intoxicated man with a gun who was outside the bar.  Officers tried a tazer on the suspect.  Officers then fired nine times.  They struck the suspect and two bystanders, one fatally.

John- Comment – You or I would go to jail for a bad shoot.  I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut this officer is exonerated.

Rachel – A father in Georgia filed a lawsuit after he says the principal at his daughter’s elementary school told him he was not allowed to bring his gun on school grounds. The lawsuit claims that the principal told Hugh Myers that he could not bring his gun onto the campus of Beulah Elementary School other than when he is dropping off or picking up his daughter. The principal allegedly threatened to have him arrested if he did otherwise. Myers’ attorney John Monroe is arguing that Myers should be allowed to bring his gun to school under a new Georgia law that took effect last month. Under the law, school districts are now able, if they choose, to allow some employees to carry a firearm on school grounds under certain conditions.  The lawsuit states that Myers frequently goes to the school to participate in his daughter’s activities, and wishes to carry a gun in case of confrontation.

John Comment- What liability has the school assumed by denying citizens the right of self-defense?

Rob Comment- I’m used to “may issue” sheriffs in California.  Now it appears we have “may issue” elementary school principals in Georgia.

Rachel – Texas governor Rick Perry’s Concealed Handgun License was suspended last week after he was indicted on charges of coercion of a public servant and abuse of power. Also because of the indictment, it’s illegal for anyone to sell him firearms or ammunition. Perry is known for being a CHL supporter and famously shot a coyote while he was jogging. His self-proclaimed position on gun control is, “I am actually for gun control: Use both hands.” If he is acquitted, his license and his ability to purchase guns and ammo will be reinstated. If he is convicted of this felony offense, he permanently loses the ability to have a CHL.

John Gun Quote – “Civilized people are taught by logic, barbarians by necessity, communities by tradition; and the lesson is inculcated even in wild beasts by nature itself. They learn that they have to defend their own bodies and persons and lives from violence of any and every kind by all the means within their power.” – Cicero

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
Segment 3 Interviews with Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Welcome back, Brandon Combs.  You were a plaintiff in a recent California court case contesting the mandatory 10 day waiting period after you buy a firearm.  Please tell our listeners about the case and how it turned out.

Segment 4 DGUs

John – An off-duty Dallas police officer was driving with his children last Thursday evening.  He saw a woman stop her car at an intersection.  A second car pull up beside her.  The two drivers spoke briefly, then the man in the second car got out of his car and shot at the driver in the first car.  The officer drew his weapon, and shot the assailant.  Quoting the officers in the investigation, “So far it looks like the officer did the right thing.. Remember, that under Texas state law, any person can take action to stop the deadly actions of another.”  The officer has yet to be interviewed.  The woman and the assailant are in the hospital and expected to survive.

Comment- It looks like the officer saved at least one life, and perhaps several.  Thank you, officer.

John- 89 year old Arthur Lewis was robbed a few years ago.  That time he traded shots with the thief too.  This time a thief entered the Jewelry Exchange in Lake Park, Florida.  The thief pointed his revolver at Mister Lewis.  Lewis grabbed the revolver and drew his own 38.  He fired six times striking Lennard Patrick Jervis in the arm, leg, and four times in the chest.  The thief fled.  His getaway driver asked police for medical help for the thief.  The thief is expected to survive.  The thief will be arrested once he recovers and is expected to face charges of armed robbery to a business, felon in possession of a firearm, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and armed burglary.  The getaway driver was charged with armed robbery.  Court records show that the thief, Lennard Jervis had been arrested 20 times since 1989.

Rob -A 74 year old Omaha, Nebraska homeowner heard glass break downstairs at 1AM.  With the other three members of his family upstairs and the alarm system blaring, the homeowner grabbed his gun to investigate.  He stopped on the stairs and shouted for the intruder to leave.  When the intruder didn’t leave, the homeowner shot 29 year old Jorge Ramirez.  Ramirez is in Creighton University Medical Center and now listed in fair condition.

Rachel- This next story is from Houston, Texas where a mail carrier picked exactly the right day to stay home for a doctor’s appointment.  He heard the doorbell ring several times at about 10 in the morning.  Then someone banged on his front door.  That is when the homeowner got his gun.  He also saw an unfamiliar black Ford Mustang parked in front of his house.  The homeowner called 911.  The intruder entered the home and the homeowner confronted him. Quote “I’m telling him, get down, stop. It went bad. He kept coming toward me and didn’t want to stop.”  The homeowner shot 25-year-old Avery Powell.  Powell was out on parole and has been charged with burglary.  The homeowner said that this robbery was particularly upsetting because he was just getting a sense of security back after interrupting a home burglary four years ago.

John – A woman in Buffalo City, Wisconsin heard two men force their way through her back door at 5 am Friday morning.  They attacked the woman and threatened her at knife point.  The homeowner grabbed her handgun and fired several shots at the intruders.  The men fled.  The Buffalo County Sheriff’s department think the woman was target by the thieves.  The Sheriff’s office is asking the community for leads.

Rachel- This DGU was sent in by listener Scott.

Neighbors kept an eye out after the next door homeowner moved from his Channelview, Texas home and asked them to watch the place.  They heard glass break and the motion detector go off at about 2 in the morning.  The couple walked over, guns in hand, and found the back door broken in.  They found the burglar locked inside the bathroom.  The neighbors, husband and wife were both CHL holders.  When the burglar bolted from the bathroom, he knocked the woman into some furniture left in the home.  Both fired their handguns at the intruder.  He died in the local hospital.  Neighbors remain upset at the large number of break-ins during the last few weeks.

Thank you, Scott, for sending that in.  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Email from Jeff
100% of all home invasions happen in the home.
From another in-home carrier. 😉

Rachel- Email from Greg in Bremerton

“Man scares off attempted robber of Bremerton store”
BREMERTON — The husband of a clerk at a Bremerton convenience store faced down a robber Wednesday night, pulling a gun on the suspect, who then fled, according to Bremerton police.

Officers were called to Rob’s Quick Stop, at the corner of 15th Street and Callow Avenue, about 9:20 p.m.

The suspect had entered the store wearing a bandana across his face. The clerk told the suspect to remove the bandanna, police said, but he instead pulled a gun and slammed it on the counter before pointing it at her. The clerk ducked behind the counter.

Her husband, who had witnessed the encounter, then pulled his own gun. After a brief faceoff with the suspect, both pointing their weapons at each other, the suspect fled. No money was taken.

Police believe the suspect may have gotten into a green Toyota vehicle with a blonde female driver. The suspect is described as a black or possibly Hispanic male, approximately 5 feet 4 inches tall, wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt, dark baggy jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information about the suspect is asked to call Bremerton police at (360) 473-5228. The suspect is considered armed and dangerous, police said.

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Rob- From listener Adam Lund-

This is regarding the Jacksonville, Fla DGU.  I agree with most of what you all said until it came to the point where everyone agreed that hunkering down and covering each other would have been the prudent thing to do.  I have to ask if you all forgot about the one sentence about a child, who was in the house at the time, was unharmed.

If there is a child in the house, hunkering down and covering each other may not be an option you have.  If I hear a noise, I need to make a run through my house just to ensure the safety of my children. …Damn spoiled kids with their own rooms!

While you all may not have meant the best course of action in this instance was to hunker down in their bedroom and wait for the police to show up, this is what it sounded like.
Other than that, love the podcast!
– Adam

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John: That wraps up this episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 258 – Joe Kalil, Brandon Combs, Frank Fiamingo, John Pierce

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

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Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.

John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.

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Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong.  LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez.  Ramirez was wanted for parole violations.  Ramirez saw the deputies and fled.  He also shot at them.  He fled through a stranger’s home.  When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies.  The father of eight died at the scene.  This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.

John- This law enforcement officer gets it.  The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime.  He asked residents to arm themselves.

Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime.   Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”

Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.

Paul –  A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall.  One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman.  City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”

Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior.  If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.

John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR?    I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened.  The man was a political protester, and a doctor.  Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it

“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law.  I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.

“I am a political activist.  My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.

“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.

“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone.  At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15’s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners.  That is all I have to say.”

Rob- I thought the guy was a nut.  I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.

John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.

Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry.  They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership.  The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.

48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.

John- No rifles?  This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.

John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”

Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists.  An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois.  National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents.  The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest.  After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.

Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy.  We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups.  An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.”  If not you, then who?  If not now, then when?

Welcome to being an activist, Brother.

Rob- This is why I’m an activist.   20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.

Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego.  Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark.  Now she confines herself to her dorm.  She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.

John- The stalker is 67 years old.

John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales.  With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.

Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.

John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.

Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”

Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.

John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com  NFA lawyer.  Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?

Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy.  Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.

Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition.  What is going on in California anti-gun legislation?  AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580

How do we find out more?  www.demandrights.org

Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen.  Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio.  Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture.  Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.

Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again.   A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired.  Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties.  The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home.  The intruder fought with the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled.  Police found him in a near by trailer park.  He was captured and is awaiting charges.

One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”

Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door.  The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered.  As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand.  The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg.  Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured.  Evans died at the scene.  Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.

John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son.  The homeowner met them and they argued.  One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it.  The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant.  The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.  They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital.  Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.

Rob- Who is going to say it?

Paul- I will.  Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint.  The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg.  All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner.  None of the customers or store employees were hurt.

Rob Comments- more than one assailant.  bad shot placement.  we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.

Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers.  They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut.  One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle.  While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself.  The police rushed to the second store.  An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email from TJ:

Hi Paul,

You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.

In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?

Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.

Thank you Paul,

TJ Gauthier
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Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.