Episode 434 – Paul Valone

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Paul Valone

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

Belle: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, December 18th, 2017 I’m Belle McCormack

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Paul Valone about HR 38.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the call from a Cook County commissioner for the UN to intervene in Chicago due to the violence.

Amy: I’m Amy Dillon, and also tonight we will talk about hotels beginning to electronically scan for concealed firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU we talk about convenience store clerks that defended themselves with a firearm… so climb aboard

Amy: strap in

John : and hang on!

Belle:  episode 434 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I’ve had a busy week.  I joined Bill Frady on his Lock and Load Radio program. We talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I was on Steve Pauwels’ Striker Radio to talk about gun culture. I was also on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters, and we talked about the death threats leveled against the women who advocate for self-defense.  Tom Gresham also retweeted one of my blog posts. I carried every day and got to eat breakfast with a traveling firearms instructor.  Thank you, Tracy Thronburg.  How about you, John?


John – Congratulations on the retweet. I hope it drove readers to your blog.  I received my media badge for the SHOT Show and Industry Day at the Range as did my wife. It is hard to believe that it starts in little more than a month. I had a nice discussion on training and carry with a client and friend who is a lesbian. Her partner is still wary of firearms and we discussed some of the things to help. Other than that, we’ve just been getting ready for Christmas like everyone else.




Amy –  Unfortunately, I have been busy these past few weeks taking care of family emergencies, which is why I have been unable to record the past few podcasts. But, I do want to thank everyone who has reached out to check in with me, and while my family still has a lot to deal with moving forward, I am back at work and making plans to get ready for SHOT show and the rest of 2018.


Tracy- I just got back from the MAG-120. This was my most favorite class EVER! We shot double and triple speed qualifications, long gun qualifications, shot the Florida Department of Law Enforcement qualification, got to shoot from a moving vehicle, had a night shoot, performed handgun retention and disarming maneuvers every day, had a 4-hour block of Kubaton (™) instruction on the last day of class, and had great guest instructors. I was also the class champion for the handgun sniper shoot. My STI Trojan ran great. I can’t wait until the MAG-180 in June of next year. I also got to have breakfast with one of my favorite podcasters yesterday. It’s always good to see you, Rob.


Belle- Shot an IDPA match in Renton. I did pretty decent. No major mistakes and no gun or ammo issues, for once, thankful for that! Going to try and get out next weekend for another IDPA match. Have to get as much competition as I can before training season starts in the spring and i’m working weekends again.



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2- News



We have all heard of the high numbers of gang and drug related shootings that take place in subsections of Chicago. Now, Chicago’s Cook County Commissioner Richard Boykin has called for the United Nations to intervene in the city.


Commissioner Boykin met recently with the UN’s Assistant Secretary General Oscar Fernandez-Taranco, in New York to discuss the “quiet Genocide” in Chicago’s black community.


Saying that “The United Nations has a track record of protecting minority populations” Commissioner Boykin said “we have to do something.. black people make up 30% of the population in Chicago, but 80% of those killed by guns.”


When asked if he would welcome foreign troops on the streets of Chicago, Commissioner Boylin replied “I’m talking about whoever the UN would decide to send in.. He may  have some ideas about how we get peace in these communities.”, continuing “We can’t wait for the mayor to put another 1,000 police officers on the streets..”



Commissioner Boylin confirms that the UN will “accept an invitation” from the city to visit, once a youth violence study is completed.


We’d like to know what we think of our cities officials calling for the UN to solve problems here in the USA that those cities’ elected officials seemingly cannot.









John- The UN protects minority populations? Tell that to the Tutsis in Rwanda.


Rob- Politicians need excuses once they hollow out their city. The UN is only an excuse.


John – Rahm needs to read the constitution regarding freedom of travel. I’m going to a meeting – unfortunately – in Chicago in March 2018. I’m just thrilled.





Following the recent Las Vegas atrocity, where 59 concertgoers were killed by a murderer shooting from a hotel window, One hotel has decided to use  radar to scan their guests at checkin for the presence of concealed handguns and other firearms.


The Westgate Las Vegas Resort and Casino has deployed a weapon detection device made by the Canadian company PatriotOne Technologies. This technology scans customers without their knowledge or consent. The devices are so small that they can even be installed in hotel room doors.


The Chief Operating Officer at the Westgate LAs Vegas, Mr Mark Waltrip, says that the hotel will have a 100% scan rate of all guests in order to “maintain a safe environment”


SO, listeners, what are they going to do when Shot Show comes around in January?








Amy – I wonder if the hotels that use this will be required to post that they are doing this. Seems like an invasion of privacy and I would not choose to stay at these hotels.

Rob- False positives and security screening.





Following the passing of HR38 through the House, Senate Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi went on record preaching doom, gloom and the end of civilization as we know it over Twitter and other social media platforms.


Stating that the new Bill would “invite violent criminals, convicted stalkers and domestic abusers to carry concealed weapons.” Minority Leader Pelosi ranted with demonstrably false and self-contradicting statements.


Now, the Washington Post has awarded her three Pinnochios for lack-of-facts. We wonder how many are in her collection.









John – I have a correction – Nancy is the House Minority Leader.

Rob- Nancy played to her base.




The weekend of December 15th marks the 5th anniversary of the murder of 26 pupils and teachers at the Sandyhook Elementary School, in Newtown Connecticut.


Everyone knows the story of what happened. Five years later, schools, parents and local authorities still disagree on how to prepare for such events. Many still use it as a source of political gain and activism.


Here at the Podcast we hold out our hearts to the grief of those who lost loved ones and to the bravery of the school staff who stood in defense of those children.







Rob- The first responders at Sandyhook were awesome. No one can do it better. FASTER training. Church training. We all get it..except some big-government politicians and school administrators.




Belle- We have had quite the increase in teaches and church groups who have quietly come in for training here. I have some young friends who are students who have already thought out and committed to the idea of, at the very least, going out fighting.



Gun Quotes Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Dr. Martin Luther King


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Paul Valone).



3- Interview – Paul Valone, President of Grass Roots North Carolina



Rob- does this bill create any new government departments? Does it give them any new powers not already written into law?

How do you propose to get CC in the deep blue states?


Amy – Paul, what specifically (is there any wording) that you would warn our listeners to look for, or read, in this bill that may not necessarily be what we want when it comes to “national reciprocity?” Do we want the “Fix NICS” associated with it at all?


John – Rep. Ted Budd, R-13th NC, has a dear colleague letter going around saying that the Fix NICS should be kept separate. Do you think will go anywhere?


John – Do you think the Senate will have enough votes to even pass reciprocity with or without Fix NICS?


4- Interview 2


Belle -5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Rob- Oak Park, Illinois

When armed robberies become common place, you must protect yourself.  In the first 10 months of 2017, Oak Park, Illinois has had 47 reported armed robberies and 40 more unarmed robberies.

A week ago at the 7-Eleven, three people entered the store and at least one of them displayed a weapon.  They were wearing masks or bandanas and demanded cash from the clerk.  The clerk was armed legally and opened fire on the three, leaving one in critical condition laying on the store floor.

Just the previous week, the same store was robbed at gunpoint in the middle of the afternoon.  A man entered the store, showed a small handgun and ordered the cashiers to put money in a bag.  The workers removed $147 from the register, put it in a plastic bag and put the cash on the counter.  The man grabbed the bag and left the store.

In that case, no one got hurt, but that won’t always be the case.


Gary- The Oak Park police chief and mayor said it was unfortunate that the thief was shot. These government officials did not celebrate that the clerk went home alive. The victim attitude is spreading.

John – Oak Park used to ban handguns just like Chicago.


Belle- Mas says you should NEVER apologize for surviving.


Amy- Columbia, Missouri

When Levi Strodman’s wife heard a knock at the door, she told him about it.  He grabbed his pistol and went to the door to see who was there.  Of course, we call it POGO.

When he got to the door, the peep hole was obstructed but he thought is was just one of the neighbors having some fun.  He cracked the door open, but it was not a neighbor.  It was an armed intruder.  The thug rushed the door and Strodman fought back and had stopped him when the criminal presented his firearm.

The homeowner lost his footing and fell down the stairs, but as he did, he fired two shots at the would be intruder.  The intruder valued life more than whatever the Strodman’s owned and ran from the scene.

Former prosecutor Bill Tackett commented that it was a textbook case of Missouri’s Castle Doctrine and stand your ground in action.

Under castle doctrine, a homeowner, or someone allowed to be in the home like a babysitter, has the legal right to defend themselves using deadly force when faced with a threatening trespasser. Stand your ground says people no longer have to retreat from danger before shooting in any place where they have a legal right to be.

The homeowner stated he only saw one person but a witness reported to police that they saw two people.

Police brought in a K9 unit to try to track down the suspects.  There was no indication whether the intruder was hit by either of the shots.





Rob- Can’t retreat when you’re flat on your back.


Gary – Glenpool, Oklahoma

A Tulsa man attempted to rob a Glenpool convenience store but the tables got turned on him.

Ezell Brown entered the store, pointed a gun at the clerk and told him that he would kill him if he didn’t give him the money.  The clerk did just that.

Gary Adams then grabbed the crook’s gun and a baseball bat and chased Brown outside where he held him until police arrived.

As the clerk kept the robber in place, Brown kept telling him that “I have a gun.”  Adams said, “If you pull a gun, I am going to shoot you with the gun that I have of yours.”

The hapless robber was booked on multiple charges including attempted robbery.




Gary- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.



6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

This is the E-mail and show close segment of the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition

Amy- no e-mails tonight, but I do want to encourage our listeners to join our discussion and email us at onair@politesocietypodcast.com


Amy: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- Gun owners don’t see themselves as police officers. Most of us don’t even see ourselves as gunfighters.  We see ourselves as defenders. The media still thinks the gun-culture is a mix of TV westerns and video games. In reality, we accumulated 50 million man years of legal concealed carry in the last 10 years. My article is called Not a Gunfighter but a Defender-the changing face of gun-culture..and thank you for carrying.


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


This is the time of the year where we think about gifting. I suggest that we consider donations to the various non-profit gun rights and gun training organizations.Not only would you be doing something good, you would also get a tax donation. The organizations I suggested range from SAF and the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund to the FASTER Program to Operation Blazing Sword. My post on this includes links to where you can donate.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.




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Belle: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Paul Valone for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, Grant and Rob,

(Belle, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Amy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.