Episode 431 – Willes Lee and News about Surplus 1911’s

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Willes Lee, Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Willes Lee, Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday November 27th,2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Willes Lee about today’s NRA.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the real possibility that we will be able to buy surplus 1911s from the Civilian Marksmanship Program!

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a suspect that pick the wrong pickup truck… so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 431 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I carried every day.


John – I recently received a gimbal stick like Gail Pepin had at Amm-Con. I’ve paired that with a directional microphone and a bracket. I’m hoping to produce some videos from the Industry Day at the Range and from the SHOT Show itself. Other than that, I did some shopping over the weekend and otherwise just was a stuffed podcaster.






Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Promo about PSP patches


Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.



2- News




In what will be considered good news by many many US gun owners, one of the provisions of the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, about to be signed into law by the President, will allow the release of thousands of surplus 1911s to the civilian market, an estimated one hundred thousand, to be more exact.


The guns will be fed out through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Their website says that they have not yet decided how sales will be handled, or processed, but that they are expecting “exceedingly high demand” for these iconic handguns.







John – Just to clarify for anyone interested, you must belong to a CMP affiliated club and you must show proof of marksmanship. The latter could be your military discharge papers, a C&R FFL, your CCW, or your instructor credentials.




The Supreme Court has given us two significant victories in past years. The “Heller” and “McDonald” cases enshrined in law the concept that every American has the right to have a firearm, to “keep” and “bear”. This has made significant impacts in States such as New Jersey, where there was no commitment to the 2nd Amendment in the State Constitution.  However, more recently, SCOTUS has declined to expand these decisions into the realm of defensive carry outside the home, or to prevent erosion of access to commonly used firearms, such as the AR-15 style rifle. This sad process was reinforced again today (Nov 27), when two cases were denied a hearing.


So in total, SCOTUS has recently declined to hear five important 2A cases: Peruta v California, Kolbe v Hogan, Norman v Florida, Stephens v NJ and Purpura v NJ. Why is this? Are there too few votes to be certain of victory, Justice Gorsuch notwithstanding, or are the cases being weeded out by members of the Clerking Pool, without the Justices ever getting to actually consider them?


With the ever-gathering clouds of anti-gun legislation appearing on State and Federal horizons, we need a supportive SCOTUS working for us. Please be vigilant, and write to your State and Federal representatives to tell them to vote against anti-2A legislation, and to support pro-2A bills.













John – I have been busy today and was unaware that Kolbe v Hogan had cert denied today. That just sucks. It leaves in place the horrendous decision by the 4th Circuit. I would love to know who voted to hear the case and who voted it down.

Rob- we are running out of test cases. There is so much settled law in each circuit that it becomes harder to bring up a challenge case.





A failure of the military authorities to notify the civilian NICS system contributed to the mass murder of worshipers in a small Texan church by an individual whose military background should have prevented him from owning a firearm, thereby allowing the murderer to acquire multiple firearms, apparently legally. Now, Attorney General Sessions has asked for a review of the NICS system, to ensure that relevant military information is integrated correctly.


A bipartisan bill is proposed in the US Senate that would mandate such integration, which has been in the works since 2007








Gun Quotes-

The only way to make sure your gun will always be there when you need it is to always carry it.  Massad Ayoob


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Willes Lee.



3- Interview 1 Lieutenant Colonel Willes K. Lee USA (Ret) is a member of the NRA Board of Directors from Hawaii and Virginia. He is a Benefactor Life member, serving on five NRA committees. Lee is a West Point graduate, U.S Army combat veteran, who served 26 years as a Defender of Freedom. Willes is the President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies, a co-Chairman of the Trump-Pence Second Amendment Coalition, a member of the Council for National Policy, and on the board of the American Conservative Union Foundation, hosts of CPAC. He is a former GOP State Chairman and RNC member. Follow Lee www.WillesLee.com, Twitter and Instagram @WillesLee, and www.Facebook.com/WillesLeeNRA.



  1. Let’s talk a little NRA. When the general public thinks NRA they usually think lobbying organization, but there is more to the NRA than that right?
  2. I first met you at the SAF GRPC, so you are working with other gun rights organizations as well, how do you think the NRA does in teaming up with other gun rights organizations?
  3. We have had a few setbacks announced recently at SCOTUS, what are your thoughts?
  4. What can we do to get more workhorses like you on the NRA BOD as opposed to some of the show horses who lend their name but don’t show up?
  5. Trump Advisory board


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


It’s a Texas week for Defensive Gun Uses.


You Don’t Treat my Daughter that Way

A day-long argument in Denton Texas ended with the victim’s stepfather pulling his pistol in a no shoot defensive gun usage and the aggressive male roommate in jail.

The fight started in the early morning at the apartment where the 23-year-old victim lived.  The suspect, 31-year-old Chad Knapp, had taken some of the woman’s Adderall pills.  Adderall is used to treat ADHD and narcolepsy.

He was kicking and throwing things before he left the apartment through a back window with the pills.  The victim confronted him in front of the apartment as he got into his vehicle.  She attempted to grab the pills from the car.  The suspect pushed her hard and threw her backwards into a brick wall.  The force of hitting the wall caused her to fall to the ground at which point he started to drive away.

A nearby witness attempted to stop him by jumping on the hood of the car and was thrown off, suffering a small cut on her hand.

The victim was taken to the hospital where police noticed bruising on her arms from being grabbed.  Her head also hurt and her back had abrasions from the brick wall.

She returned to her apartment at about 8 PM with her stepfather who had a license to carry a concealed weapon.  As they were trying to get the door open, the suspect approached them with a hammer.  Her stepfather then presented his pistol.

Knapp was held in Denton City Jail on charges of Assault causing bodily injury and deadly conduct.


Woman shoots teen intruder in head and Marine defends himself

A Houston Texas woman was home alone when she heard someone breaking into her home at 2 AM.  When she investigated the sound, one of the teenagers hiding behind her couch jumped up.  At that point, she shot the suspect in the head.

She is not facing any charges but as per usual, the case will be sent to a grand jury.

About 3 miles away on Friday night, a group of four teens tried robbing a man at gunpoint.  That man, a retired Marine, pulled his pistol from the front pouch of his hoodie and fired back and hit one of the teens.  The injured teen’s mother took him to a hospital and he was expected to survive.  The teens were caught on a neighbor’s surveillance camera before the ambush and as they ran away.

It was not known if the two incidents are related but the area has seen an escalation of roving gang activity.



Rob- I used a flashlight with my students. They find that exercise shocking.


Chase suspect picks wrong pickup truck

On Sunday morning, Vidor Texas Police were notified by the Louisiana State Patrol that they were chasing a black Acura at speeds over 100 miles per hour on Interstate 10.  As the Acura approached the 855B off ramp, law enforcement laid down the stop sticks which disabled the car.

Ahead in a pickup truck heading the same direction, Tony Alford spotted the smoking car coming towards them and pulled over to get out of the way.  Diego Gomez, the MS-13 gang member, driving the Acura pulled in behind them and jumped up in the bed of the truck.  Alford jumped out of the truck and held the criminal at gunpoint until law enforcement pulled up.

While Alford held his gun on Gomez, Vidor Police and Texas DPS troopers deployed tasers.  The gangbanger ripped the prongs out and attempted to fight officers.  He was cuffed during the struggle.

While they had him sitting on the ground waiting to EMS to arrive, he gained his feet and ran from the scene but was captured a second time.

Alford’s wife said that he was prepared for the worst-case scenario.  “He was that far from getting a bullet,” she said.

Gomez is facing charges of evading arrest in a motor vehicle and aggravated kidnapping.  Louisiana was seeking charges for fleeing and traffic violations.  In North Carolina, he is facing charges including assault on a peace officer.



Paul –

Rob- I bet the toxicology reports were interesting.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Hello Everybody –

Really enjoying your format modifications with all the new voices and personalities, nice work.

What I have for you is not some great new revelation or heady political analysis ….but  it’s better than recipes…I am kidding Susan!

I wrote this a while ago this past summer when Venezuela was front-and-center, but I never hit “Send.” I guess I thought it was rather obvious and mundane. But now with the heinous evil acts carried out in Las Vegas and Texas, there seems to be renewed calls to vacate or significantly modify the political foundational documents of America.

Considering what is happening in Venezuela, I thought this short story from our own American history might be timely. The below information is from the book “The Debate on the Constitution, Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters During the Struggle over Ratification – Part I.” edited by Bernard Bailyn, 1993.

Shortly after adjournment of the Philadelphia Convention in September 1778, the colonial citizenry began the very public debate on the new American Constitution. In lieu of our current day social media, and with a lot more eloquence than our cryptic Tweeter quips, the citizens debated the virtues and follies of the new American Constitution in the newspapers, printed pamphlets and public letters. The press and local public speaking events were used to extol, ridicule, or just question the virtues, of the newly inked Constitution.

One such presentation was made on October 17, 1787 in the Philadelphia press by “A Citizen of America,” which was an alias (a Twitter Handle) for Noah Webster. He wrote…

“Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to the band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of the Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive (Bailyn 1993 p.155).”

Webster’s 1787 passage provides a view into how guarded the population was of tyranny. The Bill of Rights, in particular the 2nd Amendment, would not be ratified for another 13 years (December 15, 1791). So even in the absence of the ratified 2nd Amendment, Americans were staunch in their conviction to keep and bear.

I wonder if Venezuelans would think the American Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, quaint outdated historical documents. Or would they warn us to exercise prudence when considering changes to our longstanding government.


Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener.
Rob- A good analogy to today. Colonial immigrants saw minorities disarmed in Europe.




Hi, folks:


I enjoyed the discussion regarding churches.  As a Catholic, I‘m always interested to know what the Catholic position is.


The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination in the USA, and so its actions are closely watched by many as an example of how churches should deal with the issues of criminality and violence in our society.


Many Catholic Bishops have declared churches in their respective dioceses to be „gun free“ zones.  Furthermore, many bishops have advocated openly  against armed self defense. Unfortunately, these teachings by the bishops in many cases, may directly contradict the formal  teachings of the Church.


Saint John Paul, known in life as Pope John Paul II, explained the need for, and obligation of, self defense.  In his own words, from the Papal Encyclical Evangelium Vitae (p. 55):


“Legitimate defence can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State. “. [Quoting Catechism of Catholic Church #2265]. Unfortunately it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of the lack of the use of reason.“


You‘ll never hear the priests or bishops cite this contradiction of their heretical teachings.


Kindest Regards,






How about: MSSSLL, as in missile.








-Jeremy M in Iowa



Hi Folks,

I wrote the following poem a few years ago in order to honor and thank our soldiers, cops and civilian warriors. Please share it with your listeners.

The Sheepdog’s Prayer

The Knights of Old were Men of Honor who used their Might For Right!

Today they’re known as Sheepdogs, those who carry on the fight.

I am a tired old Sheepdog, the guardian of my flock.

I keep the predators at bay and stand watch around the clock.

Please stop the Sheep from pulling my teeth. I’ll need them for the fight,

When the hungry Wolves come calling, some dark and deadly night.

I pray I’ll never need my gun, but someday if I do:

May my cause be just!

My draw be quick!

And my aim be ever true!

Heaven holds a special place for those who do the deed.

Defenders of the innocent in their hour of need.

May the Sheep someday be grateful. There’s a debt they can not pay,

To the Sheepdogs who lay it on the line, each and every day.

I’m proud to be a Sheepdog. I’ve done my very best!

I’ll stand my watch until my Maker calls me home to rest.

But when I meet St. Peter, there’s just one request I’ll make:

“Please let me spend Eternity, standing guard at Heaven’s Gate”.

Lord, help us bring this ”Age of Sheep” to a rapid end.

Then fill this land with Sheepdogs, Men of Honor once again.

This prayer is dedicated, to those who bravely face,

The dangers all around us to make our world a safer place.

To the soldiers, cops and warriors- Sheepdogs through and through.

Thank you for your service and your sacrifices too.


Roger E. Temple- Sheepdog Firearm Training LLC




Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- A crazy man in Red Bluff, California was willing to murder his wife and neighbors.  Since stopping criminals is hard and passing laws is easy, I expect the California politicians to call for more laws to encumber honest and sane citizens. These new laws, and the media opportunities they generate for politicians, won’t stop the next murder either. The new laws will allow the politicians to appear relevant. The real problem is complex, and frankly, the problem is beyond the sound-byte politicians in Sacramento. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/people-died-in-red-bluff-california-and-there-are-no-easy-solutions/

Paul –

Gary –


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


This Black Friday saw the all-time one-day record for NICS checks set with over 203,000 checks. While there isn’t a one-to-one correlation with firearms purchases, it is a sign that maybe the stagnation in the firearms’ market is coming to a close. For the sake of those people working in the firearms industry at the retail, distributor, or manufacturer levels I certainly hope so.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul – Remington



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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Willes Lee for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.