Episode 423 – Brian Hill, Marty Hayes, and Marcus Weldon

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Brian Hill

4- Interview Segment 2: Marty Hayes

5- Interview Segment 3: Marcus Allen Weldon

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:



1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on September 21, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marcus Allen about being wrongly prosecuted in Detroit.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Due Process Failure in Kentucky.

Amy: I’m Amy Dillon and we’ll also talk about a court case in Utah saying employees don’t have to take a bullet for the company.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack and we’ll talk about a DGU from Washington State where a homeowner credits training for no shots being fired… so climb aboard

Amy: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 423 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Live fire training with a student. I recorded Tracy on Self-Defense Gun Stories. Carried every day.


I heard from Jeff and Robyn Street. They live in Naples Florida and went through the eye of hurricane Irma. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet.


John- As regular listeners to the show know, my wife and I love to visit thrift stores and church bazaars. This weekend I picked up a tennis racquet carry bag with a shoulder strap which I intend to convert to a covert bag for either a folded stock rifle or my AR15 pistol. So for $1 plus some cheap foam I will have a carry bag that lets me go about my business without frightening the hoplophobes,

(Rob- Hey, Bugsy, don’t touch my lucky tennis racket.)


Amy – Recovering from recent hurricanes in the SouthEast! Scheduling my training classes for the upcoming 4th quarter, working on redesigning my website CCWstyle.com, and gearing up and training for the 3-Gun Nation Regionals in Virginia on Nov 10th. I’m excited to be headed to Dallas next week for the Gun Rights Policy Conference! I’m driving from South Carolina to attend!


Belle- Got the new 2018 schedule up on the website for FAS, very busy at t

e Network and getting ready for Farnum’s Urban Rifle course this weekend.

Rob- So I’m in the special class again.  Darn it.


Paul/Susan Amm-Con and GRPC planning


Patches!!If you are attending the upcoming Gun Rights Policy Conference in Dallas, we will have PSP patches available for purchase. Cost is $10 each. If you can’t make GRPC, you can still buy a patch by emailing john@politesocietypodcast.com. We accept PayPal or checks.


Should our friends bring their headsets?


Promo about upcoming training classes here.





2- News 1

Due Process Failure

When the Police State is running things you must be careful.  We are not talking about being questioned at a train station in East Germany during the Cold War.  We are talking about the treatment of American citizens by federal authorities.  The case of Gerardo Serrano is a textbook example.

Mr. Serrano lives on a farm in Kentucky.  He unsuccessfully ran for the US House in 2014 as a pro-Second Amendment candidate.  He is licensed to carry and typically conceals his Sig Sauer .380 caliber pistol.

Mr. Serrano decided to drive to Mexico for a visit with his cousin in September 2015.  Along the way, he took pictures with his phone to document his journey.  Everything was going swimmingly until he reached the border crossing in Eagle Pass, Texas.  He held his phone out the window and captured an image of the Customs Agents in the vicinity.  The photo depicts the two agents holding their hands up in an apparent attempt to prevent him from taking their picture.  The agents then directed Mr. Serrano to the side of the road and asked him to surrender his phone.  He refused to comply.


The agents then opened the door to the new Ford F-250, unbuckled his seat belt and removed him from the truck.  His phone was seized and the agents demanded his phone’s passcode.  Again, Serrano refused to comply.  His truck was searched and a loaded six round .380 magazine was found in the center console.  He was detained for three hours and was told he was free to go.  However, his truck was not free to go.  Serrano then rented a car and drove back to his Kentucky home.


The authorities seized Mr. Serrano’s truck under federal asset forfeiture.  The truck was considered a “conveyance of illegal exportation.”  Of course, these types of findings are normally made once someone crosses into Mexico.  It seems that the border agents don’t like to have their picture taken.

Mr. Serrano requested a trial to resolve this matter on September 7.  His other options were to pay a ransom to the agency in the amount of $4,000 (10% of the value) or just let them have it.  It will be interesting to see how this works out for Mr. Serrano.


John – As bad as this is, Mr Serrano just lost a truck. The SAF has filed an amicus brief in a case out of Florida where the District Ct said you can have either your 2nd rights or your 4th amendment rights but not both. A man answered the door at 1:30am with a handgun in his hand. He was shot and killed by the cops who knocked and then shot when he answered the door. They were seeking info on a motorcycle parked near his house.


Rob- John, I disagree, but I hope he hasn’t lost a truck, but I agree this is abusive prosecution, and the so called civil rights activists are silent..because the victim was a gun owner.  Why is the Trump administration continuing the prosecution of this legal case?


Cleanup in Aisle 14

The Utah Supreme Court sided with a group of Wal-Mart workers who were fired for defending themselves when they were assaulted by an armed shoplifter.  Six workers were fired after they fought with a shoplifter who pulled a gun on them inside the Layton Wal-Mart.  The company had claimed the employees violated Wal-Mart’s policy of disengaging, withdrawing and alerting authorities. During a hearing, Utah Supreme Court Justice Christine Durham bluntly asked if an employer should be able to fire somebody “for refusing to take a bullet for the company?”


The court said, “Utah law reflects a policy favoring the right of self-defense.  That public policy is an exception to the at-will employment, but only under the narrow circumstances where an employee cannot withdraw.”


In practical terms, this means the employees can sue Walmart for unfair termination.

Amy –



Gun Quotes

People with armed security should not lecture the rest of us about gun control.

Source unknown.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Marcus Weldon).



3- Interview 1- Marcus Allen Weldon

You were arrested after a self defence incident.  You were wearing a santa suit, so this was christmas of what year?

You were arrested and charged.

When did you get a not guilty verdict?

It cost you about how much to defend yourself?

And that was the end of it?

Are we sure that it is taken care of now?

What would you tell your 26 year old self?

Get insurance.

Practice closing your mouth until you talk to your lawyer.


4- Interview 2

Brian Hill-

Rob- We’re not violent.  We don’t recognize violence until it is in our face.


Marty Hayes-



5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Training Training Training

A Marysville Washington homeowner credits his training for a no shots fired DGU.

Sunday night just after midnight, Joe Hemrich was awake and sitting in his living room when he heard a noise outside.  He turned on his surveillance cameras but did not see anything.  Not knowing what it was, he went to investigate.  He found a man in his driveway under his carport.  The area appeared to be ransacked and the man looked to be holding a baton or a stick.

Four feet away from the man was his child’s bedroom.  Up until recently, the 70 degree temps meant that the bedroom windows were open at night.

Hemrich drew his weapon and ordered the man back.  The man dropped this baton and backed up and even got down on the ground when ordered to do so.

The father of three held his stance in the doorway, holding the pistol he has owned and trained with for 12 years on the criminal with four warrants out for his arrest and happened to be on the lam.

“This is the first time in my life it has ever come out of the holster when I wasn’t at a range,” he said.  “I train so I know exactly where it is, exactly how to pull it out, whether my finger is going on the trigger.”

He stated that the extensive training allowed him to focus on the subject in front of him and not on his gun.

“I carry a firearm to protect myself, my family, my community with the intentions of never having to use it,” he said.

The surveillance video was still rolling when it captured Hemrich walk the suspect at gunpoint to the front yard, ordering him to the ground and holding him until police arrived about five minutes after the altercation began.

Marysville police said he did everything right and most importantly, he complied with the officer’s commands when they arrived on the scene.

POGO once again is proven to work.

Amy- Great example of effective training


Leave your Ex alone

Nothing good happens after midnight.  And nothing good happens when you go to your ex-girlfriend’s home after midnight.

Christopher Carter showed up at his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend’s home just before 4 AM this last weekend.  An argument erupted and shots were fired.  Police said that Carter shot both his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend.  She was shot in the leg and he was shot in the arm.

The boyfriend went in the house, grabbed a pistol and shot Carter.  Carter was pronounced dead at the scene.

The couple were treated and released at the local hospital.

The Athens Alabama police chief stated that they had reviewed the evidence and statements were taken.  The investigation will continue for several weeks but they believe they have a case of self-defense.  The case will be handed to the County district attorney and will probably go to grand jury.

John –

They always say he shouldn’t have been shot

In Laplace Louisiana last week Kalvin Ferrygood tried to break into a home.  When the homeowner heard two voices in the back of his house, he went to the door to see what was happening.  That was when Ferrygood forced his way into the home.  The homeowner defended himself and opened fire.

Saint James Parrish Sheriff’s deputies found a gun in the backyard which they believe belonged to one of the two intruders.  They also stated there is video evidence of what happened.

Ferrygood had just been released from jail four months ago after being arrested for shooting five people on Christmas Eve 2008 at a night club in the Parish.

Ferrygood’s family was defending him.  They stated that the mojo had him running and that he wouldn’t break in or hurt anyone.  As stated, the video shows differently.  Mojo is a synthetic marijuana which has been known to cause erratic behavior and even cause death.

According to the Parish Sheriff’s office, the homeowner acted in self-defense and he was not arrested.  They are working to identify the second subject.

Rob- Good job having a gun ready when you need it.

John – not meant for human consumption

Don’t Judge a Book by Its Cover

79 year-old James Noah and 77 year-old Barbara Melton were inside their apartment on a Saturday afternoon when there was a knock on the door.  Melton answered the knock and two men shoved her aside and forced their way inside.

The two men started assaulting Noah with a blunt object.  But, Noah was practicing POGO and was able to draw his handgun from his waistband and fired one shot.  He hit his 26 year-old assailant in the head.

The second would-be robber fled the scene after his partner was shot.  The first robber was alive with life-threatening injuries.

According to a neighbor, Noah was a vet and had training which kicked in during the encounter.  Noah was recovering but had some bruising on his face.  No criminal charges will be sought against him.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion

Listener Kay writes in


Hello gang!

 First off thank you for the wonderfully informative podcast! since I started listening roughly a year ago I have yet to miss an episode.

 I just listened to your segment with Paul Martin on being prepared. As Paul spoke about having friends in the Salt Lake Valley who are prepared but do not consider themselves “preppers” it dawned on me that We who live in Utah are just that. I did not realize that it has become a way of life here. Now I, not being of the Mormon faith, but lived here almost all of my 40 years,pick up on these ideals because it is a way of life here. But the Idea of food storage here is not just for doom and gloom. As the Mormon church teaches, it is to be self sufficient, in case of loss of job, accident, etc. that may keep you from having funds to feed the family.


Our food storage consists of canned at home, re-fried beans, whole beans, rice, powdered milk, and wheat. very little is store bought “canned” items. We also have bottled (a lost art in some areas of the nation) mirepoix (onions, celery, carrots in chicken stock) for soups and the like, for each member of our family we have no less than a weeks worth of food on hand.


 Due to the fact that we live in Southern Utah, which is high desert, we get a variance of weather. In the summer temps reach 110+ and in the winter can reach freezing during the night. we generally have on hand 2 gallons of water per individual per day for just as many weeks as food. Sounds like overkill to some but to us it is might be enough.This is just if we decide to barricade and ride out the problem. If we must bug out we have backpacks for each individual containing enough food water and first aid for three days. we also carry a field medical bag with surgical kit. To top it off, each family member has a primary and secondary firearm system with ammo to spare. As far as training is concerned, local meetings happen quite regularly for first aid, canning and bottling and general food storage.


   In just our neighborhood alone there are a plethora of different skill sets among the neighbors and we all know each other well. With local parties and gatherings that are usually put on by the Mormon Church you get to know the people around you very well creating almost a band of families you can trust. As I write this we do sound a tad crazy but better to have it and not need, it than need it and not have it.


Rob- What a wonderful neighborhood.

Amy – Not crazy, very prepared! For example, when a natural disaster happens, grocery stores are emptied, and supplies are hard to find.

John – I worry about my daughters and their families. We preach that they need to have extra food. I may finally be getting through to one of my sil who is diabetic.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- We recently found out that the election last november in New Hampshire was probably a fraud.  New Hampshire has same day registration, and more than five thousand voters entered New Hampshire to cast their vote on election day, and then never became state residents.  New Hampshire voted for Hillary by a margin of only 2700 votes.  They elected a democrat senator with a margin of 1100 votes.  Yep, that is the definition of fraud.  Dr John Lott proposed a solution.


We already have a national instant background check system in place.  Scores of judges already ruled that this particular background check does not infringe on any of our constitutional rights.  This is the background check system we use when an honest citizen buys a firearm.


The background check wasn’t an infringement when I had to use it..or so I was told.  Democrats also told us that the instant background check system is necessary to keep felons and illegals from buying guns, and to keep honest gun owners from buying more than one gun a month.  We can use these background check systems today to keep illegals from voting and to keep US citizens from voting more than once.


My articles are at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


Earlier this week, the Wisconsin Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee approved a bill that would bring constitutional carry to the Badger State. Given that they didn’t get any form of concealed carry until 2011, this is amazing. The chairman of the committee predicts it will pass both houses of the legislature. It is unclear whether Gov. Scott Walker will sign the bill as he has indicated he is happy with the current system. If you live in Wisconsin, you might want to give your governor a call on this. Now if the North Carolina Senate would get their act together on constitutional carry….



That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


Amy have you written anything that you want to mention?

My recent articles have been published on gunware.net. This week I’ll be writing about competitive shooting.  I will also be adding my articles bank to my website ccwstyle.com and linking them there in the future as well.




Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Amy stay safe,

Belle: be aware

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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