Episode 422 – Dr John Edeen

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday September 11th , I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with friend of the show and frequent guest Dr John Edeen about a doctor referral service.

Tracy: I‘m Tracy Thronburg , and We will discuss the US Virgin Islands wanting to confiscate guns.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk POGO even at Taco Bell .. so climb aboard

Tracy: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 422 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them), getting


Rob- I cut the walls out of a flooded house in Texas.  I also got in some dry fire and life fire practice.  I was going to interview Jeff and Robyn Street for my podcast, but they are busy dodging their own hurricanes.  I was able to donate some money to Marcus Weldon.




Tracy- I just got back from a Ladyseed class this past weekend down by San Antonio, at Tim Crosnoe’s home range. Tim was one of our instructors.  A big word of thanks to Tim and Kristin Crosnoe for putting me up for three nights. I very much enjoyed their company and hospitality. It was a great class. Dr. John Edeen was there and helped out. I’ll tell you, the class is A LOT harder than I expected. In all of the years that I’ve been shooting, never have I fallen asleep on the range, much less during live fire. I’m pleased to report that I finished the class on a high note, with all of my 400-yard shots and the 250-yard head shot on the Redcoat target. While I didn’t make Rifleman this time, I’m looking forward to my next Appleseed class. I can’t let Rachel beat me at anything, and I’ve got my work cut out for me to get to her level of rifle shooting.




Promo about upcoming training classes here.



2- News 1


Aldermen want a ban on weapons at Chicago rallies after Charlottesville violence

Last week, a Chicago Alderman introduced an ordinance in response to the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

The ordinance says that because right-wing “paramilitary militias” carried guns and other weapons at the “Unite the Right” rally that devolved into violence, Chicago police should have explicit power to outlaw weapons at Chicago events.


Given that Chicago police can ban loudspeakers and other disruptions, Alderman Edward Burke said in a news release “it seems only fitting that Chicago should also be able to restrict the carrying of weapons during public demonstrations in order to curtail the possibility of violence.”


Chicago police already have broad powers about what may or may not be brought to marches and other public gatherings in the city. But the new proposal specifically bans “firearms, knives, weapons, sharp objects, shields, fireworks, chains, bats, clubs, sticks, batons and any other rod-like instrument.”


It also allows the Police Department “to determine other items that may not be allowed at an assembly.”

Violators would face fines of $500 to $1,000, and up to 10 days behind bars. The proposal will head to a joint Finance and Public Safety Committee hearing.


Rob- This sounds like legislating “pre-crime” to me.  So far we’ve seen communist mayors disarm peaceful protesters while they stood back and let left wing goons beat people up.


Any rationalization will do to make chicago citizens vulnerable.  How about we arrest chicago drug gangs and put them in prison.


Tracy – Let’s just go ahead and ban car keys while we’re at it (because car keys can be sharp objects) and have everyone take public transportation to the rallies. This is just sad.


Safety concerns raised over a planned firearms class qualifying people to carry concealed weapons in Illinois are baseless, according to Elmhurst police chief Michael Ruth. “It’s strictly a classroom environment. There’s no weapons, there’s no firearms, there’s no ammunition. There’s none of those things.”

Social media activity had raised the specter of armed students coming to the classes being offered in the Knights of Columbus Hall.

Brad Carey, who manages hall rentals, was as emphatic as Ruth about the rental by Illinois Concealed Carry, LLC, the organization putting on the classes. “In the contract I had them sign, there’s no ammunition allowed in the hall, there’s no shooting going on.” Carey said. Carey also stated that during the rental the Knights bar will be closed and locked up.

The issue was brought to the attention of the Elmhurst City Council meeting Tuesday when a  resident told council members about their concerns. The resident cited what they claimed were written statements by previous class attendees that they were “required to bring a firearm” and were “required to shoot on the last day of class.”

Ruth and Carey said after a full class day on Saturday, the Sunday classroom work would end at 1 p.m. Participants are expected then to leave Elmhurst for hands-on gun work at an approved firing range outside the city.

Those intending to fire weapons outside Elmhurst after the class must possess a valid Illinois Firearms Owners Identification card issued by the Illinois State Police. Weapons to be transported must be broken down and not easily accessible from within the vehicle.

Paul- Gary, isn’t there a firing portion to the qualification to get an Illinois CCW?


Rob- You can smell the stupid from here.  This is really poor journalism.  Someone said shooting is required, so I don’t want a class in my neighborhood.  It just SOUNDS dangerous.


In fact, the only point of the mandated training is to dissuade licensed gun owners.


Virgin Islands prepares to grab guns ahead of hurricane Irma

On September 4th ahead of the landfall of Hurricane Irma Kenneth Mapp, the Governor of the US Virgin Islands issued a directive that raised quite a few eyebrows. Quoting directly from the 2rd paragraph of the directive.


“The Adjutant General is authorized and directed to seize arms, ammunition, explosives, incendiary material and any other property that may be required by the military forces for the performance of this emergency mission”


Immediately after some in the media informed the Governor that the Virgin Islands were a territory of the US and were subject to the constitution, including the 2nd amendment, the Gov tried to backpedal and say that he was only authorizing release of weapons from an armory.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          


Rob- Annex the virgin islands and make them a county in Florida.

Tracy – No, annex them to Illinois!

Rob- notice the difference between this and Texas/Louisiana!


Gun Quotes- Can we hate our country enough to change it, and yet love our country enough to think it worth changing?  Misquote of G. K. Chesterton


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with John Edeen.



3- Interview 2

We’ve heard the claim that “Democrats want your guns”.  I’ve heard it from  republican candidates when they are running for office.  I wanted to know if that was true.


That isn’t too hard to do.  We know how many people have concealed carry permits in each state.  We know what the permits costs and if the state doesn’t give permits to ordinary citizens.  We also know the party affiliations of state governments.  All we have to do is put it all together.


We see some consistent trends.  Fewer of us get permits when the cost go up.  The more training the state mandates the fewer of us get our permits.  Some states make you take out a newspaper advertisement or call your employer before you can get a permit.  Only judges and politicians get permits in “may issue” states.


You’re about three times more likely to get your permit if you live in a republican dominated state than in a democrat dominated state.  If you really want to see political bias then look at the permitting schemes.  The constitutional carry states are republican or neutral.  The may issue states are all democrat controlled.


There is one exception. Vermont became democrat controlled and they never have had any gun licensing laws.  They still don’t.


I wish it wasn’t so, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes.  Judging by their actions, the democrats want us disarmed.  I wish both political parties defended our rights.


See for yourself at my blog, slowfacts.wordpress.com.




Tracy- Rob, I’m curious as to which state(s) require you to take out an ad in the local newspaper and/or call your employer because in Texas, being a license to carry holder is private information.


4- Interview 1 Dr John Edeen – DRGO.org



Tracy – Many medical practices are now owned by major healthcare corporations, such as Healthcare Corporation of America. HCA has a policy prohibiting firearms at their facilities. How can we circumvent this? I work for a group of specialty physicians, some of whom are gun owners, but their practice is owned by a large corporation. Are those patients just out of luck?


Rob- Doc, why is this necessary?


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


PA Home Invasion

Servando Santos was warned.  After assaulting an elderly lady in Dauphin County PA, he forced his way into a nearby home.  The homeowner confronted Santos and warned him that he was armed.  Santos continued into the home.  The homeowner then fired several shots, one of which hit Santos in the abdomen. He then continued further into the home and struggled with other people before being subdued shortly before police arrived.

Santos continued struggling with officers and was taken into custody.  He was given medical attention at the scene and transported to a local hospital where he died from this wound.

The female from the first residence was in the hospital in critical condition


Tracy – what does Farnam say? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

(Farnam says move!)


Taco Bell Shooting

Two armed robbers walked into Taco Bell in Cleveland.  It was the middle of the afternoon and they were wearing masks on their faces as if they were acting in an old western.  Instead of a Taco Supreme, they ordered the employees behind the counter to  lie down on the ground.  The robbers were both armed.  Six employees were in the store that evening.

The robbers walked up to the cash registers and three other employees then fired several shots at the two masked men.  They shot one of the robbers 6 times.  The other robber immediately ran from the restaurant.

Police found the first robber laying face up on the floor unconscious with a faint pulse with the loaded gun still in his hand.  He died after being taken to a local hospital.

The second robber had not been apprehended.

Gary –

Tracy – I’m glad to see an employer who lets their employees be armed at work.

Rob- great job.  Work together next time.


Indianapolis Carjacking Prevented

Law student Kari Bird was getting out of her car.  She was parked outside her home.  It was almost midnight and a group of 3 or 4 young males approached her.  She didn’t think much about it until one of the robbers presented his firearm and demanded her keys.

Just after handing over her keys, she remembered that all of her very expensive law books were still in her car.  She reacted quickly and drew her own gun from the center console.

The robber said ‘Oh, [expletive]’ , and then ran.


Tracy- do we know what state this was in?

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?



Spokane Neighbors Stop Burglars

Recently in a close knit Spokane neighborhood a couple was watching TV and noticed by the reflection in the TV that a couple of people were walking up to the house next door.  They didn’t recognize either person and knew that the woman who lived there was not home.

They knew they were going to have problems contacting the neighbor since she had gone to an area of notoriously poor cell service.

Raymond Dupris watched the couple from his window as they walked past the house then came around back through an alley.  The female burglar was pacing around and the next thing Dupris sees is a backpack fly over the fence and the male suspect jumps the fence.  When he broke in the door, Dupris told his wife to call the neighbor from the other side of their home.

The neighbor came over with his gun and Dupris’ wife called Spokane police.

When the burglar tried to exit the home through the bathroom window, the neighbor aimed his gun at him.  He then tried to flee through the front door but was cornered by Dupris and the neighbor.

“He just stopped in his tracks and got down on the ground.  I held him down on the ground and got on him with my knee on the back of his neck and the other neighbor had the gun on him, and we were just waiting for the cops,” Dupris said.

Spokane police arrived quickly and arrested the 21 year-old man.  He make an appearance in court for a residential burglary charge and a $500 bond was set.


Tracy – My doors are locked for YOUR protection! I’m also NEVER going to look for trouble. Call 911. This is why we have property insurance.

Rob- I want them to listen to this podcast so they have a plan.  That means they know what to do, and what to not do.

Pistol Packing Mama chases off home invader

Brett Santo walked into Sarah Long’s home in Elyria OH and approached her 15 year-old daughter.  When Long’s 17 year-old saw Santo, she screamed which launched her mother into action.

She grabbed a pistol by her bed and charged Santo but dropped her gun while still in her home.  She and the 17 year old chased Santo out of the house and down the sidewalk until they lost sight of him.

Officers were dispatched to the area on a report of burglary suspect fleeing the area and Long provided a description.

Police found him on a short distance away and during the ride to the station admitted to burglarizing the home.

This was not the first time Long chased Santo from her home.  He entered her home but left when confronted.  This time when he approached her daughter, the mama bear made an appearance.  Her boyfriend had just left the house and had told her to keep the pistol handy.


Rob- To give moma bear a bit of credit, maybe she chased her daughter, not the thief.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Text Message #1


Hey guys


I was just wondering how many magazines would recommend someone to have for pistol and rifle?





Tracy – The more, the better, and remember to buy quality magazines! Your life may depend on it.

Gary –


Hal thinks Paul’s choice in guns is… Less than ideal


I had just about forgiven Paul for his glock-fan-boy shame since he smarted up and started carrying a S&W Shield and then we came to episode # 412 and the question of BBQ guns. Paul made the statement regarding 1911’s… “I am not a 1911 fan” (gasp!!!) “I do not like them” (heresy!!!) “I think they are very old technology” (that should be stated as ‘have stood the test of time!’) and then, shame of shame “incredibly outdated”… OMG!!! I almost drove right off the dang road! I must admit, he did save a very small bit of face when he described how much he liked the Cabot 1911 with the meteorite grip, I could hear the lust in his voice! That made his previous comments almost bearable! I had to put the torches and the tar and feathers back into the closet that I hide them in and will once again try to find a way to forgive Paul for his blatant sacrilege of not liking a near perfect form of sidearm that some of us learned to shoot at the age of 7… some 53 years ago… as taught by our Marine father.


In response to the obvious question… yes, I have shot the glock, many times, and find it to be the Yugo of firearms, cheap, somewhat efficient, ultimately serviceable and totally undesirable, for me, on par with a hi-point… this is my opinion, no better than Paul’s, and we all know what they say about opinions!

now, if one of you would be so kind as to tell me what font we are supposed to use when utilizing sarcasm, those portions of my commentary in which I am utilizing sarcasm would be much more easily discernible…

sign me

Hal in Kaliforniastan

p.s. I am inserting a picture of a pair of the Cabot 1911’s in which much of the near perfect form of handgun is made of meteorite… please feel free to join me as I drool all over myself!






Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I read Amanda Suffecool’s book on producing a concealed carry fashion show.


Do you want to attract more women and minorities to your club?  Do you want more young people at your events and fundraising activities?  Here is your opportunity to back up your words with actions.  Since concealed means concealed, new gun owners don’t know what they are missing.


Put on a concealed carry fashion show that looks like the members you want rather than the members you have.  You can do more than tell new gun owners that they are a welcome part of Armed America; You can show them.  Show them that concealed carry holders “look just like them.”


Amanda wrote this book with us in mind.  This is a nuts-and-bolts kind of instruction manual.  She identifies the people, positions, tasks and decisions you need to make your event a success.  Events like this have been done before.  We all can learn from their experience, the good and the bad.


I want you to do it.  A fashion show does more than demonstrate methods of concealed carry for men and women.  It can recruit new members into your club, and it can be entertainment for existing members.  The show can be a fundraising event for your organization.  You can showcase local vendors and promote their products.  A fashion show does that,  and something equally important.


A concealed carry fashion show communicates what responsible gun owners in your community look like.  You get to make that statement rather than accept how gun owners are portrayed in the media.


Do it.


That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.




Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.


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