Episode 410 – Paloma Capanna and Kevin Creighton

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Paloma Capanna

(the file for this segment is not available for individual listening, but is in the full show)

4 Women’s Meet and Mingle

5- Interview Segment 2: Kevin Creighton

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, May 23rd, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Paloma Capanna about protecting your rights of gun ownership and your privacy in New York.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Big City gun bigots in, believe it or not, Texas.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll have a report on the Women of the Industry Meet & Mingle.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU’s we talk about a couple of bad decisions… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 410 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- MAG 20 class with Rachel Malone as the chief instructor.  My wife joined me, and we got to meet some very nice people.  I published two new episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories with instructors David Cole and Jeff Street. I ordered a new holster, and I’ll be on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady again.


John – I booked my plane ticket for GRPC. I found I had enough frequent flyer miles to pay for it! With the money I saved, I enrolled in Andrew Branca’s The Law of Self Defense Level 1 & 2 classes which will be held in Raleigh, NC on June 10 & 11. Other than that, it has been cleaning out my mom’s house and work. Oh, I almost forgot. Last week I got to go to one of the most unusual combo gun stores around. It was way better than Bubba’s Beer, Bait, and Guns. The name of the store was McCaysville Drug and Gun. Their motto is Pistols or Prozac – We Got You Covered.



Rachel- MAG20 with Tracy Becker and David Maglio also instructed.  







Promo about upcoming training classes here.


(June 9-11 2017). MAG-30. Florence, TX

(June 24, 25th 2017).  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL

(July 8, 2017) Defensive Rifle Skills for the Armed Citizen https://squareup.com/store/concealedcarryassociates

(August 10-13, 2017). MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD

(August 26 & 27, 2017). Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD

(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota


John – Promo for PSP patches – send orders john@politesocietypodcast.com. $10 for 1, $18 for 2 PPD.




2- News 1

Big City Gun Bigots in Texas


Large American cities harbor liberal politicians who would restrict our rights.  Seeing chiefs of police citing the non-existent threat of concealed carry is not news.  For these law enforcement officials, touting the party line is how you advance in city politics.  Elected sheriffs typically have a more reasoned approach.  The outstanding sheriffs who come to mind are Joe Arpaio, David Clarke and Wayne Ivey.  These sheriffs realize that it is critical for law enforcement to work with good citizens to beat back the threats to our daily lives.


Then there is Sheriff Lupe Valdez of Dallas County, Texas.  Yes, Texas.  She is putting the weight of her office forward to sway Washington from passing national reciprocity.  Sheriff Valdez actually said, “This bill would make it easier for dangerous people, like stalkers and domestic abusers, to carry hidden guns in all 50 states.”  Of course, it does not matter that stalking, assault and murder are already illegal.  Does Valdez believe that such people would actually be deterred because they do not have reciprocity for their carry permits?  The odds are that they would not have a carry permit in the first place.  But, gun control advocates rarely allow facts to change their propaganda.


Valdez is actually a member of Americans for Responsible Solutions.  This is the gun control group founded by Gabby Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly.  But, when you reach the lofty position of Sheriff of Dallas County, your perspective changes.  You do not have to walk a crime scene and realize that the person lying dead on the ground may have survived if armed.  Maybe you do not even care.


Rob- Follow the money.  The sheriff is groveling for campaign dollars.

John- I agree with Rob. She is unusual.



Wear Orange!

The gun grabbers have come up with a silly idea to promote their agenda.  They have called on their followers to wear orange on June 2.  The photos are to be posted to social media with the hashtag “#WearOrange.”  


Second Amendment champion AWR Hawkins would like to get in on the game, too.  He suggests that everyone go to the range that day, wearing orange.  So, be sure to post pictures of yourself shooting while wearing orange.  Tag it with #WearOrange and let’s beat them at their own game!



Gun Quotes

Bureaucracies are progressive. meaning they have a burning fear that someone, somewhere, is doing something without permission. Jerry Pournelle


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Paloma Campanna and ???




3- Interview 1 Paloma Capanna-  Do you give up your rights when you own a gun?

Defending gun owners from breach of medical information and release of information kept on federal forms we’re required to submit when we buy a gun.


Decision from the District Ct can be found here. The case is now on appeal to the 2nd Circuit Ct of Appeals.


?- Doesn’t this conflict with another Fed law – HIPAA


Politicians get a free pass.


See you in Dallas!



4- Interview 2

Woman’s industry meet and mingle in Atlanta-


Kevin from misfires and light strikes

Indiegogo Interactive Pistol Training System


Ultimate firearms trainer

Kevin, can high fidelity training pull more gun owners into advanced training?

Can you tell the speed of trigger travel?

The slide cycles in about .2 seconds.

The range is over 15 yards.


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Never Shoot a Fleeing Thief

A Franklinton Louisiana man is facing charges from a DGU gone wrong.  An unnamed man was visiting Wilson Rowell recently and as he was packing up to head home, slipped one of Rowell’s pistols into his luggage.  Rowell confronted his visitor and the man pulled out the pistol and pointed it at Rowell, Rowell’s wife and mother.  After the brief standoff, the would be thief tossed his ill-gotten gains to the ground made a break for it.  At this point, Rowell fired and struck the fleeing thief two times.

The victim was taken to the hospital and will be arrested upon release and booked with theft of a firearm and three counts of aggravated assault with a firearm.

Rowell was booked on aggravated battery and had two outstanding warrants for contempt of court and failure to appear.

Louisiana, as in many states, a person’s right to use deadly force ends when the threat to your life ends by the person posing the threat flees.  When the visitor attempted to run away, he ended the threat of bodily harm and thus ended Rowell’s need to use a gun defensively.

Paul – We have said it many times – when the bad guy is running away it is time to stop shooting


Rob- Let’s learn from this.  You can’t make those decisions in the moment.  You have to make them NOW.  You need a conditioned response

John – We aren’t law enforcement. We don’t have an obligation to detain the bad guy or to stop them from fleeing.


Self-defense isn’t always involves against another human

In recent weeks we have seen a rash of dogs mauling either other dogs or children.  In a recent LA report, the FBI was investigating an incident involving an off-duty agent who shot and killed a pit bull who attacked the man’s German Shepherd.

The agent was out walking his dog when the unleashed pit bull attacked his dog.  He attempted to pull his dog away but the attack continued so he pulled out his gun and shot the attacking dog once, killing it.  This followed an incident where LAPD had to shoot 3 pit bulls which attacked a man and his small dog.

In either incident, no charges were going to be charged.

Paul – It’s not the breed it’s the owner. Also you may need to use your gun to defend against 4 legged predators, are you prepared for that?

John – I agree. In the last couple of years we had a local woman killed by a pair of dogs that we normally think of friendly big dogs – Great Danes.

Rob- I’ve lived in a rural community.  If your dogs attack my stock, then your dogs are going to die.  Been there, the dogs escaped because I wasn’t allowed to carry in California and they got away before I got my gun.


We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.



6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Beg for emails  onair@politesocietypodcast.com  voice and email at 605-215-1438




Listener e-mail discussion


Voice mail #1


Message from our Facebook page from Ed

Hi everyone! Thanks for your outstanding work, I love the podcast.
A recent discussion came up about carrying spare magazines and it’s really a hot subject here in (what Massad Ayoob once called) “darkest New York”.
We are restricted to carrying no more than 7 rounds in a magazine here, so a spare mag is an assumed necessity.
I was wondering if any of your other listeners used the small “5th pocket” on the right side of their jeans like I do. Great retention and it’s already there.
The only downside is that I have to reach across for a reload. The plus is that I’m already aware of concealment on that side and it blends in with whatever I’m already wearing to cover my holster.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on this as well.
Thanks again everyone! Be mighty!


Rachel-I could barely fit 3 bullets in my jeans 5th pocket, much less a mag. More power to you. Sure it’s not ideal, but….what do you give up to gain? I think this could be a fair gain.


Rob- new mag to fit a mag in your pocket.



Email #1 this one is from Carl



We should not assume that because we do not have little ones at home, nor grandchildren that are close enough to drop in unannounced that we can be sloppy about securing our firearms.  We had a neighbor and her 4 year old visit a while back when I wasn’t home.  My wife related to me that the little guy started exploring the house.  His mom was going to stop him but my wife told her it was OK.  And you know what?  It was OK because our firearms are locked up when not in use.


P.S.  I have been able to get a sense of Paul’s trucking routes and it seems he travels through my neck of the woods from time to time.  I will be on the lookout for his company’s trucks, especially since I hear he hauls two of my favorite commodities – ice cream and bourbon!!!  If I am lucky I will be near when loads are rejected!



Rob- Good job.



Email #2  This one from our anonymous Michigander

Hi Everybody –

I have continued to faithfully listen and enjoy the episodes.

Couple of things…

A few episodes ago there was a discussion around “carrying” and working for an employer who doesn’t have the same viewpoint and prohibits firearms on the property as a term or condition of employment. It was interesting to listen to others wrestle with this issue.  I think your commenters were in the medical profession (I think it was a nurse?).  It was a great discussion and it came down to weighing the risk of losing your job (or career) versus your work environment safety risks.

Now add another dimension, the employer provides a good job, a good work environment, and makes it possible for you to pay for top shelf training.

My point is, it was reassuring to hear others in the concealed carry community contemplate and wrestle with the same decisions and choices…not easy decisions and serious stuff when others are depending on you to walk in the door every night as well as provide financial viability for the family.

These types of discussions on the podcast really provide a service to our community –  thanks.

Paul –

On a lighter note — have you shot your first competitive match yet?  

I went to my first match this spring.

There were pluses and minuses for me.

On the down side – they took one look at my everyday carry set up and said “nope!”

I carry concealed IWB 4:00 O’clock with an FBI cant for every day carry.

So, in match competition I am drawing from a 3:00 O’clock OWB holster…not the best scenario.

On the up side-  I had a great time. Once I told them I was a new competitor/shooter the safety officers and other shooters really helped me out.

I have since gone back to other matches. I look forward to competing at the regional and various state matches.

And yes…I have been taking dead-last at the matches…pretty humbling, but I am improving.


Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener


Rob- We’ve had experienced shooters shoot from the 5 o’clock position.  They won’t allow a shoulder rig because the gun is pointed at other competitors.

Gary –


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- Thanks, Paul. One article is titled New Bigotry from Old Civil Rights Icons- Congressman John Lewis and the failed fantasy of gun-control.  Black liberal politicians are trying to disarm the people who need guns the most.  Fortunately, we have black gun owners who are now speaking up for their community.


Gary, this one came from your mom.  It’s called The Crazy Things Pacifists Tell Me

How many of us have heard people tell you strange things about themselves when they find out you’re a gun owner.  I decided to write them down..along with the answers we’ve all kept to ourselves.  

I’ve had people say,   “My husband has a gun, so I don’t need one.”  You’re the designated victim?  

“I couldn’t hurt anyone.”  Really, you don’t care if your family is hurt?  Does your husband or wife know that?


I’d like to thank the organization “Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership” for reposting a number of my articles.  They are usually hosted at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money



John- I received an email over the weekend from the Brady Campaign opposing national carry reciprocity. They are now calling it the “Zimmerman Bill”. Our listeners know that all of us on the Polite Society Podcast have met and interviewed George Zimmerman in person. George is a quiet young man who was forced to defend his life and has had his life turned upside down as a result. The Brady Campaign even called George a criminal which is defamation. They are trying to paint an ugly picture of unhinged white guys being able to kill young black men with impunity. This is a lie and they need to be called out on it.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Before we go I want to ask if you like the

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank ( PalomaGuests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot,  Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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