Episode 399 – Sean Maloney and Laura Carno

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Sean Maloney

4- Interview Segment 2: Laura Carno

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday January 22nd 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Sean Maloney.  Sean started Second Call Defense, and now he is running for re-election to the NRA board of directors.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Laura Carno about training first responders for Colorado Schools.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about some of the legislation that is up before congress in the new Trump administration

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and yes Virginia, there is a Second Amendment even in Chicago

…so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 399 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- You know the most important thing I did in my gun-world?  I wrote down the name and contact information of my state and federal representatives.  I also started a list of the pro-gun bills we should support and I called their local office so I’m heard.


I bought a new Alien Gear holster.  Reducing my firearms inventory, but shopping for more classes.  David Cole and Jenna Meek joined me for Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Tony Simon is up next.  I was on Big Gunner 81’s you-tube show.  Greg Hopkins and I were together on Dan and Cheryl Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio.  I’m still looking for help with some videos.


John – I have not been on the last two shows and I should explain why. My mother-in-law’s health suddenly declined a little over two weeks ago and Grace passed away on Jan. 7th. It was a quiet, peaceful, and dignified passing surrounded by her two daughters and many of her grandchildren. We buried her a week ago Thursday. Barb and I had planned to be at the SHOT Show this past week but as I wrote in a blog post life caused a change in plans. The SHOT Show will be there next year.


I have started a new project which I hope our listeners will help go viral. I call it 2A Selfies. It is a selfie of you holding up a list of what you want in the way of pro-gun measures from Congress and the Trump Administration. All you need is a smart phone, a Twitter account, and an Instagram account. See my post on my blog for more how-to details. President Trump likes social media so we need to play to that.



Taught a few classes, gave a bunch of speeches, and read a million words (98% of the Texas gun bills filed so far).  Rally at the Capitol – speech with hecklers (see video). Next time we need LOTS more of us. I co-hosted an Open Range Day today. Lots of fun – pistol and rifles, steels, and a .50 cal for everyone to try out. I also wrote a list of a bunch of things I’m not going to do.


Coming up:

  • Speaking at the Wichita Falls Tea Party meeting, Feb. 2, Harley Davidson, 7pm
  • Teaching MAG-20 live fire, Feb. 11-12
  • A bunch of other stuff
  • MAG-30 in the Austin area with David Maglio, June 16-18. It’s gonna be great SO SIGN UP NOW!


If you’re in Texas and you don’t get my emails, sign up right now ….. www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com




Paul/Susan – Went to New Jersey again. After I got home dental surgery, that is why I sound a bit funny.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(February 11 & 12, 2017 MAG20 in Austin, TX)

(June 24 & 25, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am-5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017 MAG40 in Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)



2- News 1


There is new legislation in Congress and the Senate.

  • House Resolution 34 would allow honest gun owners to legally carry firearms within 1000 feet of a school zone.
  • HR 38 would require national reciprocity.  That means a state would be required to recognize your out-of-state carry license including recognizing people from Constitutional Carry states.
  • Senate bill 59 and  house resolution 367 would remove suppressors from the list of prohibited items in the National Firearms Act.
  • House resolution 509 would eliminate the BATFE.

Paul – We NEED to be very active right now to push on these

John – I wish we had a companion bill in the Senate on reciprocity. I have a different attitude about BATFE.

Rob- Republicans are in control.  They are out of excuses.  They have to walk the walk, or walk the plank.


There is a Second Ammendment.. Even in Chicago

Writing for the 7th circuit court, Judge Diane Sykes struck down Chicago’s zoning requirements for shooting ranges and struck down Chicago’s prohibition on minors entering shooting ranges.  The Second Amendment Foundation brought the lawsuit.  You might remember that SAF sued so there was a right to carry in Illinois, then Chicago said you need training, but outlawed gun ranges in the city.


John- That failed, and Chicago owes SAF for their court costs.


Paul – The great news is that Judge Sykes is also on President Trump’s short list to fill the vacancy on the US Supreme Court.  This is really good news.  We should get a great judge on the Supreme court, and then President Trump would also nominate a young conservative to the lower court to replace Judge Sykes.


Rob- Here is what I’m worried about.  The court said that Chicago limited gun ranges to such an extreme degree that only 2 percent of Cook County was an eligible location for a business like a gun range.  I hope the court will decide that the proof is in the result.  I’m sure that Socialists politicians can find a way to make gun ranges unprofitable.. even if they are allowed on every street corner.  Whatever the means, I want to see the result, rather than the possibility.  There should be as many gun ranges in Chicago as there are in a comparably sized city like Houston.  If there are not, then we’re seeing the results of discrimination against gun owners.


John – Possibility of en banc. I heard from a person in Illinois re the suit and Judge Sykes. I can’t name him but he had an issue that might come up with Sykes.


State Sponsored Identity Theft

Freedom of Information Act requests are generally a good thing.  However, care should be taken when the government entity responds to them.  In October of last year, the state of California responded to such a request from a reporter with Southern California Public Radio.  The subject was Firearms Safety Certifications.  


California “accidentally” provided sensitive information in their response.  The “dates of birth, driver’s license numbers and California identification numbers” for 3,424 firearms instructors are no longer confidential.  


At least the State was kind enough to inform these instructors that their personal information had been compromised.  Does it matter that it took over two months for the notifications to be made?  The Attorney General, Kamala Harris, recommended that these people place fraud alerts on their accounts, “since driver’s license numbers are appealing to identity thieves.”  


Jennifer Baker of the NRA-ILA said this, “is just another example of The California Department of Justice’s disregard for the rights of gun owners.”  Do you believe the personal information of Hollywood elites would be treated with such carelessness?


John – Kamala Harris is now Senator Harris. Her successor is just as anti-gun.


Another conservative state is looking at Constitutional carry.  Alabama State Senator Gerald Allen filed a bill so Alabamians could lawfully carry guns without a permit.   Constitutional carry is slowly arriving at more and more states.  We have not seen the companion bill in the Alabama House.


Gary- Rachel, you better hurry, or Alabama will get there first.


Gun Quotes– When only cops have guns, it’s called a “police state”.

— Claire Wolfe, “101 Things To Do Until The Revolution”


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Sean Maloney and Laura Carno



4- Interview 2

?Some talking points for Sean Maloney-


  • Second Call Defense and what it does – a recent example to add color to your regular DGU segments
  • Sean will be teaching “Lethal Force and the Law” seminars at the Great American Outdoor Show February 4-12.
  • Why he ran for NRA board in the first place, and why running for re-election.
  • What makes Sean different than other candidates.
  • How he hopes to work with the grassroots for the NRA.
  • Follow him on Facebook and Twitter @SeanMaloneyNRA Website MaloneyForNRA.com
  • FASTER as a lead in to Laura – Ohio is at almost 800 school staff members trained.

4- Interview 2

Laura Carno

Rob- Laura Carno built the websites I am Created Equal, and Laura Carno.com.   You will find her there when she isn’t on Colorado radio or NRA news.  Laura is an author, and her recent book is titled, Government Ruins Nearly Everything.

Welcome back, Laura.


Laura’s latest project is Coloradans for Civil Liberties.  They want to train staff to be first responders in case of a violent attack on Colorado schools.  Tell us about that.


Laura-  Point of information to Rob, we are in the fundraising stage now so we haven’t had any classes yet. We are ready to go once the money is there. We are fundraising now!


We plan to learn from our friends in Ohio and start from there, changing if something needs changing. But they have 4 years on us, so we are happy to learn.


Rob- I’m thinking that many of the school staff in Colorado might also be on Ski Patrol, so they already know about emergency response.  They are already concealed carriers, so they are armed when they are away from work.  How much of the emergency responder training is new, and how much do you have to re-organize or refocus?


Public and private schools?

Daycare through college?

Adult education and vocational training?


You do this training at no charge to the schools.  What do you offer the staff?


Laura-  ???They bring their own guns and equipment.  We provide?  (ammo, lodging, training, medical crash kits for them to take home)  Bandaids for the class, and real supplies for the classroom.


Rob- That takes money for instructors, ranges, equipment.  How do you fund it so far?



Rob- This a phenomenon unique to the United States.  We see a problem, and we get together and solve it.  I admire that about our character, but I have a concern.  I’ve been to those fund raisers.  Aren’t we trying to fund a culture of liberty with bake sales and overcooked chicken dinners?


Also feel free to mention that CCL is on FB and Twitter.


Please support Coloradans for civil liberties


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Woman Shoots Intruder After Husband Opened the Door

Brandon Robinson opened the backdoor of his Columbus, Ohio home to an 11 PM knock. The two people outside said they had been stranded by car trouble. Robinson kindly gave them the house phone. But, when he turned to go back inside, the heavily tattooed Allen Thompson pistol whipped him.   


Thompson’s accomplice forced his way past the stunned owner into the home, where he demanded cash from Jessica Robinson. The thug got the one thousand dollars from the Robinson’s safe. When he demanded to go into the back bedrooms, where her two young children were sleeping, Mrs Robinson went Full Mama Bear.


Using her pistol hidden in the kitchen cabinets, she shot the invader in the torso. “I know there’s a damn good chance we’d be dead right now if I hadn’t grabbed my gun like I did. My immediate life was in danger, so I shot.” The wounded intruder fell down the back stairs escaping from the empowered woman. Thompson, still outside, shot back at Jessica. Return fire from Brandon Robinson drove Thomson away.

Thompson was arrested at the hospital. The unnamed accomplice, possibly a minor, was admitted and arrested. Both suspect’s conditions are unknown.

Also unknown is why Brandon Robinson would open his door to a late night knock. His well-meaning actions exposed his family to dangerous possibilities. Thankfully, his wife was able to respond with the use of her firearm. However, we must question the hiding of a firearm in a cupboard with a seven-year-old in the house. On-body carry, POGO!, would have been safer for all.   



Photo courtesy of ABC6


Possible thoughts:
Paul – Keep the door shut and locked – offer to call 911.

Rob- Concealed carry in the house.  
Safe storage of a firearm with children.

John – Kathy Jackson had 5 kids under 6. She decided the safest place to keep a firearm was on her hip.


Taxi Driver Stops Attack With His Gun
An unruly passenger pulled an ice pick on a New York taxi driver. He pulled his gun. There is no indication he uttered the words; “Youz talkin’ to me?”

Collin Green, picked up Katrina Green, 39, no relation.  After driving her to several stops, it became obvious she would not pay. He stopped the car and called police. Katrina became agitated and knocked the phone out of the driver’s hand and then pulled an ice pick. Both exited the vehicle and Katrina demonstrated her rage by shattering the rear window of the car with the pick. When advanced on Collin, he pulled the handgun he bought after being stabbed 13 times. “Look, don’t come any further. Don’t make me do this. I don’t want to have to hurt you.”

Reason somehow penetrated Katrina’s skull, and she calmed enough to allow Collin to drive away. Police later arrested the woman and charged her with Menacing, Criminal Mischief, Criminal Possession of a Weapon, and theft of services. Because of the damage to the taxi, the charges could be upgraded to a felony. Lt. Jon Ballard praised Collin for his actions in dealing with the situation. “The guy did everything correct. He used his handgun to protect himself but didn’t go above and beyond what was necessary.”

We too congratulate Collin Green, who could pass for funkmeister George Clinton, for his measured response — and also his foresight in buying, getting his carry license, and carrying a weapon. Driving a hack is one of the most dangerous occupations.

Another save for POGO!


Rachel-I wonder what was going on in his mind. I imagine it could be difficult for a man to overcome social expectations and pull a gun on a woman….even though obviously it was VERY warranted and necessary to save his life.

Rob- Disparity of force.  You don’t don’t have to press the trigger.  

Paul – New York City cabbie and he was able to get a permit? There ARE Unicorns!

John – I wish. He was upstate in Rochester.


Four Against One, The One Had a Gun

In a quiet, South Florida neighborhood, four armed intruders violently stormed into a home midday Saturday. The homeowner was forced to fight back against those incredible odds.


According to the police, the homeowner acted to defend his life and the lives of the three women in the house. His shots killed one invader and caused the other three to flee. They escaped in a green sedan and have not been located. Other than the intruder, no others were harmed. An elderly woman resident was shaken up and taken to relatives.


“I do have a license to carry, and it’s because of things like this,” said neighbor Jorge  Martinez.  


We POGO because of things like this.  

Rob- This is closer to the rule than the exception.  Robbers attack in packs.


Paul – For new listeners, POGO means Pants On Gun On

John – Makes me think that the pistol of choice needs to be an AR pistol with a 30 rd mag.

Rob- Who carries a spare magazine?


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion

605-215-1438 or onair@politesocietypodcast.com

First, an email from Carl that we didn’t get to last week.



Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its naïve stance on firearms.  I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob.  For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment.  The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals.  This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander.  He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence.  OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind.  But they also call for (http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/):

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within.  PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas.  Now I am tired.  Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!).  Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.



Rob-  Thank you, Carl.  I’m sorry your church isn’t listening to reason.  That must be alienating, to say the least.  I hope you will find and support a church that shares your values.


Rachel- Thank you for your honesty.

Gary –


Next an email from John about show notes.


I have been listening to your show for about a year or so.

Many changes, lots of growth, and my favorite of the 9 I listen to.

However. I use an iPhone 6s to listen.
Whenever you mention show notes, I am unable to see them using the iPhone podcast app.


I use this app as it is the best choice for all the different podcasts I listen to.



Paul – That is entirely my fault. I will work on getting a solution in place to make this happen

Rachel – Awww we’re his favorite!

Rob- Paul, you might try the Blueberry publisher.


An anonymous emailer writes in

First off I would prefer that you not use my name – Only my wife and son know that I carry concealed and I prefer to keep it that way.

I try to follow John Farnam’s advice …stealth is good, don’t draw attention to yourself as a concealed carrier.

Here is my question for discussion….Do you recommend getting a few training classes under your belt before going to a MAG40.

My state concealed carry permit requires 8 hrs. of class room which includes live fire. I have done that plus 4 hrs. of club training with range qualification.

I also practice at the range every other weekend for almost a year now.

I don’t want to put out significant dollars for MAG40 and have it be too early in the process for me and not get the maximum value out of the class.

I am over 50 years old and CCW permitted I May 2016.

I really enjoy all of you on the show…I listen to you and Bob Mayne.



Rachel- I think someone would find themselves behind the curve and frustrated if they attended a MAG-40 class either (1) without a good quality handgun (i.e. a tiny 380 or something that jams every other mag), or (2) without being comfortable and safe in handling the firearm (loading, chambering, manipulating, drawing, holstering, basic shooting). Other than that, you’re good. You don’t have to be a great shot. MAG is supposed to teach you to shoot – you don’t have to come already knowing everything. You sound like you’re at a place to definitely get maximum value. As far as the classroom portion (rules of engagement): if you’ve thought about the sober ramifications of carrying a gun and read some DGU’s (or listened to ours) you are ready. And once you pass MAG-20, go to MAG-30. It is AMAZING how far you can go in your shooting with just 3 days of David’s instruction.


Paul – I want to re-iterate what Rachel says here plus say that a lot of dry fire practice after ANY training helps

Gary –

Rachel – don’t wait to get really good instruction.  


Charlie Cook of Riding Shotgun with Charlie sent us a Facebook message

Hi Polite Society Podcast hosts,

I was just listening to Ep 398. It had John Corriea of ASP and Amanda Suffecool. During the email questions, someone asked about traveling on airlines with a firearm.

I’ve done it a few times. Wish I did for SHOT just to do it again. But I wasn’t going anywhere where we could carry.  

In Providence RI in 2007, someone stole my suitcase that contained 4 handguns that were properly checked and in locked, secure containers. They were gone for 2 weeks. The secure containers were broken into and the contents taken out.

The criminal got caught trying to sell my snub 38 in downtown Providence.   After he was caught, his roommate turned the guns in to the local police and called me. I was able to get the guns back. Three of them came back a week after he was arrested. The one he tried to sell was held up for the court case. We all have nicknames for our carry guns. My is The Evidence. (Hehe).

The reason my suitcase was stolen is partly on me. I went to the bathroom after I got off the airplane and before I retrieved my luggage.

So my advice on traveling on an airplane with a suitcase. Get your suitcase THEN go to the bathroom.

~ Charlie


Gary –

Rob –


Paul: Rob, do you have any posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob-  I’d like to talk to our listeners.  Thank you.  People like you saved dozens of lives in December.  I wrote about your success in my article “Armed Civilians Saved Lives”

I also helped Greg Hopkins put up the article that our listener Carl talked about.  It is called  “Liberal Churches are Confused About Evil and Guns”

That, and much more is up on Clash Daily, on Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


John- The fight against traditional lead ammo and fishing tackle has been going on for years. So-called environmental groups such as the Center for Biological Diversity and Project Gutpile (I kid you not on that name) sued multiple times and always lost in the courts. As a parting gift to these groups, Dan Ashe, Director of the US Fish & Wildlife Service, issued a Director’s Order on Jan 19th mandating the elimination of lead ammo and fishing tackle on Federally owned properties within 5 years. He went further and said that lead-based shotgun shells would be outlawed for dove and upland bird hunting. This order was based upon bad science and political opportunism and without consultation with any of the state fish and game agencies. I am hopeful that the Trump Administration overturns this order rather quickly.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


Rob- The older I get, the less I want the feds owning ANY lands.  None.  Nada.


Susan – https://youtu.be/db0nEyXK_e4


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.