Episode 380 – Orlando

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Robyn Street

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Cheryl Todd

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday June 24th,2016  I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonight’s show we will talk about the Orlando massacre and some of the fallout.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a TON of listener feedback! .. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 380 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Matthew Martian: Sabots in 30-06 to reach MACH 4 LFDResearch.com

Heinrich Thies: Building a vacuum forming table to make ballistics gel molds, and working my second job designing rifles for JARD inc.







Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Orlando Massacre: Radical Islam is at War With Us. And So is Our Government.   

     It’s been two months, and it’s happened again: a Muslim with links to the Middle East, radical Islam and terror organizations has killed on American soil. Forty-nine innocents have died, with a like number injured. The Administration, Progressive politicians and the media immediately leapt to the attack – not against this growing threat of domestic Islamic terrorism, but against their old blood enemy: the Nation’s lawful gun owners.


  Politicians and activists piled before the cameras, demanding their usual “common sense” nostrums with practiced ease. They scrupulously avoid more than a passing reference to the fanaticism at the attack’s core. Our Feckless Leader whined about being criticized for never using the words Radical Islam – while still never actually using the words Radical Islam. However, he’s very definitive about the unconstitutional secret gun ban list and reviving the ineffectual Clinton assault rifle law. Hillary danced through the blood to slam her opponent for supposedly <quote> “engaging in inflammatory, anti-Muslim rhetoric that made the country less safe.” <unquote> She also waved the bloody shirt at gun owners and the NRA.


  The media has gleefully hyped the firearm involved in the tragedy, incessantly scoring the Orlando attack as the largest gun massacre. They’re following the administration’s line to focus on the gun and not the terrorist. They’re refusing to provide the context of the Paris, Brussels, London and Russian terrorist attacks. They’re even ignoring the largest night club massacre, where an immigrant used just a single gallon of gasoline to sacrifice 87 victims. It just doesn’t fit their narrative. Orlando wasn’t even near the toll of the largest American mass killing.


   The Left’s long running hoplophobia is in full flame: They’re trying to make sweeping changes based on a tragic incident that is thankfully extremely rare.  Nonsensical “common sense” solutions, are flying around at the speed of opinions. The left is intent on destroying the Enumerated Rights of hundreds of millions of Americans in the demonstrated ridiculous hope of keeping arms from jihadists who are supported by terrorist organizations able to span the globe. After all, the terrorist in Paris and Brussels had no trouble getting fully automatic weapons and explosives.


It’s going to get worse – much worse. The Administration, Progressive and media attacks will escalate. As will the terrorist attacks. Weapons will be most needed exactly when they are being threatened by the left. Fight the threat that the administration is importing, assisting and enabling. Fight the threat that political correctness will not challenge. Fight the madness that the Progressives will allow to destroy us. Ensure that our political leaders still retain enough backbone to fight for the Constitution and the citizens. Call your Senators and Representatives. Join the NRA. Fight for our future. Fight.  Now – because there will be no then.  


By the way: the largest American mass murder we mentioned before? That was in South Dakota, at Wounded Knee; where 150 Native American men, women and children were killed by the US Government. The attack came as the Indians were being disarmed.  Something we should all think about.   


Paul : 202-224-3121 The congressional switchboard Congress is back in session July 5th. Democrats have been losing their minds screaming and crying and the media is pulling out all the stops to cover the banality. PLEASE call and keep calling your senators and congress critters. Tell them that if they vote for anything that will limit any of their rights that the next time they are up for election you will work for their opponent NO MATTER THE PARTY. Make it clear that if they don’t stand for your freedom you will stand against them when it comes election time.


Charlie Rangel – We deserve guns – You don’t


One of the loudest voices to restrict sales of guns using a super secret list that you cannot get off of is Charlie Rangel. This week in an interview with Fox News Rep. Rangel stated that while common people of his district did not need guns, he certainly needs them to protect him. This is one of the clearest pictures of hypocrisy that we have seen.




Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1 Robyn Street


4- Interview 2 Cheryl Todd





5- DGUs


After the tragedy in Orlando, self defense stories have been extremely hard to come by.  


A Gun Saves Lives in a New York City Bar

It was a very late night in a downtown Queens bar. Three patrons were settling down to some serious drinking in the 4 o’dark hour. Then Andrew McClean, 24, and his pistol, walked into the Parkside Pub.

McClean started his crime by robbing the bar’s till; then he turned on the patrons. One of the customers was a disabled 69-year-old man, who probably looked everything like a pushover. However, that man was a retired ex-cop with 7 years of New York’s mean streets under his belt. And that apparent easy mark concealed a firearm – a rarity in the Gun-Free Zone of New York.    

As the thug approached waving his gun and threatening to kill, the targeted ex-cop pulled out his .38 revolver and shot once. McClean fell, hit in the head. The seven-time loser, with an arrest record for heroin, died on the barroom floor. The ex-cop was not charged with any crime. It seems a retired NYPD cop can carry a concealed weapon, unlike the vast majority of New York’s disarmed citizens.  

That gun made every bit of difference in that New York City bar, as a gun in the Orlando nightclub could have. Gun Free Zones are a mass murderer’s playground.   



Brought a Knife to the Gunfight

A-37-year-old man wouldn’t take “Get the Hell Out” for an answer when he confronted a homeowner in his living room.


The 60-year-old homeowner spent some time in his San Bernardino, California backyard early Saturday morning. When he returned inside, he found Timothy Mackay, a scruffy local transient, standing in his living room. The owner demanded that the man leave several times. Instead, the intruder advanced on him while waving a large hunting knife. Faced with being spitted on the knife, the homeowner got his gun and fired. Hit in the abdomen, Mackay collapsed on the floor, where he was found by police still clutching the large knife.    


Mackay, who is well known to local police, will face “appropriate” (unquote) charges after he is released from the hospital. No other information was provided about the homeowner. At this time, the victim has not been charged.  


Thug Tries to Rob a Harmacy

A Waynesboro, Pennsylvania pharmacy was the scene of a dangerous assault when an armed masked man demanded drugs and money. From the very start, he was violent, aggressive and very threatening to the businesses’ employees. A witness outside the building saw him leveling his gun at several people inside. It worsened as the robber became increasingly angry over the limited amount of money in the till. The workers cowered as the thug repeatedly cursed and pointed his gun at them. Then, the criminal collapsed to the floor.

A pharmacy employee, fearing for his coworker’s lives, had pulled his concealed revolver and opened fire. The employee connected with several of his four shots; his opponent was not as skilled. The still unidentified criminal was admitted to a Waynesboro hospital and then life-flighted to York Hospital, where he remains in critical condition.   


The concealed carrier was uninjured in the gun battle. His coworkers all escaped injury. The police must determine if the shooting is allowable under Pennsylvania’s self-defense law. As of yet, no charges — on either side of the gun battle — have been brought.




Only in Floriduh

Finally, it can get pretty weird down there in Miggy-landia, otherwise known as Central Florida. All that strangeness just means that you have to be more prepared, not less. A Florida woman was tested and survived — with literally no room to spare.  


A 54-year-old Ocala, Florida woman suddenly found herself facing a 27-year-old man pounding on her door, demanding to be let in. Denied, he kicked in the door and chased the woman upstairs. She locked herself in her bedroom, and then retreated again to the bedroom closet as the invader breached the bedroom door. There, the man paused to removed his shorts, which he had previously defecated in. With nowhere left to go, the terrified woman crouched behind the thin closet door. As the criminal battered his way through, she grasped at her last straw…. and shot the bastard in the gut.  

Alerted by 911, police found a naked Victor Alex Etherington hiding behind the bedroom door, punctuated by the .22 pistol shot. He was secured in intensive care after surgery, and will likely survive. As you might expect, Etherington was pretty well intoxicated. Police think the invader could have lived in the home when he was 15, but he and the current owner did not know each other. Police have not been able to determine why Etherington broke into the home or attempted the assault. Charges are pending.

POGO could have certainly helped in this near tragedy, as would a larger caliber gun. While a 22 certainly beats harsh words, it lack the physical stopping power of the traditional 9mm, 40 and 45 self-defense loads. Still, we’ll bet she is very happy that she had the 22 pistol when it was all that was between her and a a naked madman.  






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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Hi Folks,
Marty from NYC here. I’ve written in before. I used to be an anti gun liberal and now I’m a pro gun activist (still liberal). I try to get people I know to slightly shift their way of thinking if not flip them a full 180 degrees.

I know many of the rebuttals to the silliness espoused by anti gunners but this one has me stumped.
How can we prevent guns from getting into the hands of people with mental issues?  I have not heard one logical, beginning to end, well thought out answer that covers all of the facets of the problem including who can tell authorities that someone is emotionally disturbed (an abused spouse or an abusive spouse for instance), adult children or parents, doctors (and what questions can doctors ask children or any patient? What prevents an anti-gun doc from blowing something (like a parental argument that in a child’s eyes might be construed as WWIII or someone saying they were despondent over a death or loss of a job), into a reason for gun confiscation?  How about if an adult seeks help for some life issues and a doc sees this as being unbalanced and reports to LE?  What about people on meds who could stop taking them?  What about mentally disturbed people living in a home where other adults keep guns?

I’ve had all these questions and more asked of me and I hope you can tear this apart with some good answers. Weerd mentioned some measures that the antis keep shooting down, (no pun intended), but give us some examples.  Let’s put a big chunk of politics back into the podcast.

Keep up the good work. Great interview Mas and Gail.

Also a comment on the DGU where 15 shots were expended with only one of three gunmen being hit. Without any more details it’s hard to blame the shooter’s lack of training. We weren’t there and although it sounds like a terrible hit ratio, no info about:
how many times that single gunman was hit?
were the shots made from cover?
were people running towards, away or laterally (gunmen or good guy)?
Was he waiting for a safe background before unleashing a volley of hail mary shots?
Also not clear from the story if these thugs were fleeing the scene which brings up other questions.




Hey, Paul. If you could leave my name out if you read this on air, I’d appreciate that. You guys were talking about warning shots in a recent episode. I wanted to share a story of my wife’s relative. I don’t know the exact details, but the gist is:
He was disabled in a wheelchair, and home alone. A man tried to break in, so he yelled that he had a gun and fired a shot through the window. The round ended up hitting and killing a neighbor. He was sentenced to prison for the death. It was a somewhat distant family member, so I’m not sure of the sentence, but from what I gather he either spent a long time in prison, or died there. The family insists that he was wrongly prosecuted, because he was in a wheelchair, and it was “just an accident”, but it’s hard for me to not blatantly disagree with the family when it comes up. I do like your idea of shooting between your feet, or in his case maybe next to the wheelchair, if it’s absolutely necessary, but I’m generally in the camp of “if deadly force isn’t justified, neither is firing the gun, and if it is justified, then aim for the threat.




I don’t often post or speak about out and out political thoughts. Those who know me know my politics run center-right on most matters, and they also know I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I will say right now, more “gun control” will do nothing to stop the type of attack that occurred in Orlando. If someone is determined enough to do damage, they will, regardless of their access or availability to get a weapon. Ban “assault weapons” you say? If we were to go back to what was available during the so called Clinton era ban, this guy would have still been able to do the damage he did. If guns were magically whisked away and melted down, this guy still would have been able to employ any number of things to kill 50 people in the blink of an eye. The Tsarnaev brothers used slow cookers packed with explosives. Are we banning slow cookers? Timothy McVeigh drove a rented truck up to a building and blew it up with a bomb made from fertilizer and killed 168 people. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik got their guns from a neighbor who was either complicit in their crimes or just a complete dumb ass, regardless, they were able to gain access to the weapons they needed, even in one of the most restrictive gun control states in the nation and they killed 16 people.


Evil exists in the hearts of men. It is not something we can legislate away. Unfortunately, our rights as an American can be by our ill-informed members of our elected Government. There is a quote from a former Obama administration official,


You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before-Rahm Emanuel


I suspect this will be the though for those on the left after the tragic event in Orlando.

Well I have one in return.


“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin






I’m probably too late to make the first show after the shooting, but I had a couple of ruminations I wanted to share.


I was absolutely disgusted by the murder of nearly 50 of my people in Orlando, and the wounding of nearly 50 more.  One of the reasons I carry is because my childhood experiences with bullies taught me that nobody but you can secure your own safety, and reading about Matthew Shepard in my youth made me realize just how serious such violence could be as an adult.  As both a member of the LGBT community and a concealed carrier, I am used to looking over my shoulder, but this shooting brought a whole new urgency and immediacy to it.

Almost worse than the shooting itself was my frustration and despair with many members of my community.  I simply could not understand how a community who is so used to worrying about their own safety against attack would not even consider arming themselves.  Instead, I saw an immediate politicization of the attack, using it to continue to pick at wounds, both old and fresh, between the LGBT community and religious conservatives, when by rights they ought to be finding common ground in denouncing this attack.  It was very difficult to see my LGBT community under attack by a toxic and dangerous ideology and have them lash out at the very thing that could keep them safe.

Recently, though, I heard of Operation Blazing Sword, and witnessed the veritable explosion of activity on the Pink Pistols facebook page.  Pink Pistols, the LGBT firearms rights organization, has climbed from around 1,500 members to 6,300 members and counting, and there is such a flurry of activity there that I am having a hard time keeping up with it.  I’m beginning to dust off my old dreams of starting up a local chapter now that there is such renewed interest.

Operation Blazing Sword, for those of you who haven’t heard, is a project that aims to connect LGBT people with people in the area who are willing to provide some firearms familiarization, or even actual training, for free.  Most new gun owners got started by asking a friend who shoots to take them to the range, but many in the LGBT community have literally zero friends who are gun owners.  This project allows them to find that friend.

Lastly, I don’t know if you heard about the #shootback posters in Hollywood.  Someone printed a bunch of stickers and posters with a rainbow flag overlaid with the gadsden snake, with “#shootback” printed on the bottom.

These three things make me think people in the LGBT community are beginning to wake up.  I’ve heard anti-gunners speculate that the political activism machine that is the LGBT community could potentially take on the “gun lobby” and win.  I have no idea if this is true, and I don’t care to find out.  What I ask you is, what could they do working together to restore and safeguard our gun rights?



Jake from Iowa.






Finally Todd wrote in JUST before we started recording today.


You mentioned a legal marijuana shop that protected themselves by firing on 2 armed and armored thugs as they were breaking in.


While it’s legal in the state, the video is also proof of federal law violation of having guns and illegal drugs together. The Obama administration is only ignoring the federal marijuana laws unless it suits them.


I hope, for the store owner, that the feds don’t hear about it or decide not to act.


Also, if you’re going to read a recipe on the air …. you need to finish it.


I really enjoy the show, keep up the good work.




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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,


Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.


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