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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment 1:
3- Interview Segment 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio
4- Interview Segment 2: Philip Van Cleave of VACDL
5- Interview Segment 3: Grant Cunningham Trainer Extraordinaire!
6- DGU Segment:
7- Email and Show Close:
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday February 11th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Philip Van Cleave about changes in Virginia’s concealed carry reciprocity agreements… again.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Dan and Cheryl Todd about firearms sales trends
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will also talk with Grant Cunningham about the design of the new Kimber revolver
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a valet is fired, then not fired after a Defensive Gun Use at General Motors in Michigan
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and we will talk about a federal circuit court striking down parts of Maryland’s assault weapons ban, so climb aboard!
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 366 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Carried every day. Dry Practice once this week. The easy way to find the concealed carriers at Mardi Gras is to look for the sober person. Outside of New Orleans, Louisiana does not allow public drinking. Fortunately the police look the other way on Mardi Gras. I upgraded my NRA membership from a Life member to an Endowment member. For a limited time that only cost $200. I visited with Bill Frady at Lock and Load Radio and Kenn Blanchard at The Black Man with a Gun Podcast.
John – Congratulations to Rob for upgrading his NRA membership. I did the same late last year. I thought with this election year coming up, the NRA could use the help.
Other than that, gun wise, a selection of scale sized targets arrived along with a webcam. Now I just have to get everything set up so as to use with my SIRT pistol and the LASR software.
Since I was last on the podcast, I’ve been to two run n guns and shot at a bunch of different ranges.
- Highlights: improvement in shooting from one weekend to the next; 55 rounds, 38 hits; all the people and great advice, nailing 500 yard shots
- Lessons: understanding; gear (electrolyte tablets, anti-fog wipes); speed in stages – finding position, thinking more smoothly; high angle shooting; the power of mental practice (see my write-up of lessons learned)
- Ranges/events: Best of the West – getting data at 500yds; Red’s – trying out XDS 9mm and Glock 43 with a friend; Oklahoma – Run N Gun; Ft. Davis – Run N Gun, shot my .308 for the first time
- Plans: Cabela’s in Waco/Buda this weekend to promote classes; long-distance shooting; MAG 40
Gary – What training do you have coming up?
Paul/Susan – Paul trained a different student than I was supposed to this week.
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
2- News 1
Lead News and Opinion: Maryland’s Modern Sporting Rifle Ban Stayed
Maryland’s so-called Firearm Safety Act of 2013 has been dealt a severe legal blow. One that gives all supporters of the Second Amendment hope for change. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals remanded the Kolbe case back to the lower court for reconsideration under Strict Scrutiny, the most demanding test in Constitutional law. The court found the case should be tried in light of the Supreme Court’s Heller and McDonald decisions, which demand the Second Amendment be considered an enumerated right. Unfortunately, the judges didn’t go further and find the law unconstitutional.
According to 2nd Amendment legal scholar Andrew Branca, the Fourth Circuit’s instruction to utilize Strict Scrutiny is a very important one for the Second Amendment. All of the Constitution’s enumerated rights are subject to strict scrutiny – with the current exception of the Second Amendment. If that was to change, a law would have to have a particularly compelling governmental interest. And that law must also be narrowly tailored to actually achieve that interest. That level of scrutiny almost always leads to the law in question being found to as unConstitutional.
Other Circuits have allowed the use of Intermediate Scrutiny when examining gun laws, which usually allows a law based on nothing more than a State’s contention of public interest. With this conflict in the lower courts, the Supreme Court may finally take up this issue while the ideological mix remains friendly to the Constitution. The application of strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment, would be a complete game changer on gun rights on a national scale. As Branca summarizes: If strict scrutiny is applied to almost any law, the law falls.
That would be a great day for Freedom.
Rob- en banc appeal. That is a trick the chief judge uses to overturn a minority opinion that prevails in a three judge panel.
John – If Maryland doesn’t get their request for an en banc appeal, they will appeal to the Supreme Court. Their attorney general is very anti-gun and helped get the Maryland Firearm Safety Act passed.
Rachel- somebody break this down for me. What could this mean for Maryland? for others?
Supreme Court Strikes Down Obama’s EPA Regulations on Global Warming
The Supreme Court has struck down Obama’s use of EPA regulations to enforce his Global Warming program. In a 5 to 4 decision split along ideological lines, the Court eliminated the requirement that companies expanding industrial facilities or building new ones must evaluate ways to reduce carbon emissions. The Obama administration failed to get similar legislation through Congress. The Justices found that the EPA lacks the authority to force the companies to comply. The ruling could also be used to challenge the EPA’s other global warming efforts.
This ruling is important to the Second Amendment as the normal reluctant Supreme Court has once again struck down one of Obama’s overreaches. Perhaps this will extend to the similar anti-gun executive order excesses. It also highlights the importance of who we put in the Oval Office in 2016. The new president could conceivably nominate four Supreme Court Justices during his or her two terms. The Supreme Court and the Second Amendment hangs on a precarious balance between the Constitutionalist and those that would dismiss the US Constitution as an old, outdated document written by dead, white guys.
John – I hadn’t thought of this decision in this light but Charlie is correct. It also emphasizes what is at stake in this year’s presidential election. We need a Republican president who will appoint pro-gun justices for the anticipated openings in the Court.
Paul – Ruth Ginsberg is almost certainly going to
Corruption in the Democrat Party
We’ll briefly note the overwhelming victory of one rabid anti-gun office-seeker over another in the New Hampshire primaries. Worth noting, however, is the undemocratic Democrat party election process. Despite 60% of the vote, and a 22% margin of victory, Bernie will receive less than half of the New Hampshire delegates.
Under Democrat National Committee rules New Hampshire has 24 “pledged” delegates allocated by the primary vote. Sanders has 13, and Clinton has 9, with 2 currently unassigned. However, by party rule, New Hampshire also has 8 “superdelegates,” who party officials can commit to whomever they like, regardless of the popular vote. Six of those superdelegates have been committed to Hillary, with two unassigned, giving Hillary 15 delegates over Bernie’s 13. Despite a virtual tie in Iowa and a tremendous victory in New Hampshire, overall Hillary has 394 delegates to Bernie’s mear 42.
Remember, if they’ll do this to their own, what do you think they’ll do to their blood enemies?
Paul – it sucks to work hard and earn something then have it taken away right Bernie?
Bloomberg Mad at McAuliffe
New York billionaire, Michael “Big Gulp” Bloomberg, has his lace panties all in a wad over Virginia Governor Terry “McAwful” McAuliffe’s perceived knuckling under to the NRA and state Republicans.
Bloomberg and his Everytown for Gun Safety group poured about $2 million into McAuliffe’s attempt to give Democrats control of the state Senate. Despite that money, McAuliffe lost all three races he targeted. Then, when his attorney general eliminated CCW reciprocity with 25 states and ignited a state and nation-wide firestorm, McAuliffe had to accept a NRA and Republican backed bill that would provide for nearly universal CCW reciprocity. McAuliffe got a few small, mostly symbolic, face-saving concessions.
The response from Bloomberg’s anti-gun minions in the press and social media was immediate and vicious. Everytown took out a full-page ad screaming “Terry McAuliffe is Wrong.” McAuliffe, a Clintonista operative with strong ties to New York City Progressives, responded quickly. In a speech, he dismissed the criticism,saying “everybody supports [the gun deal] except one gun-safety group out of New York City.” The Virginia chapter of Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies immediately clutched their pearls. “I’m sooooooo angry at the governor for his comments,” said the volunteer leader of the state’s Mommies affiliate. McAuliffe’s spokesman had first referred to Everytown as a “group from New York” after it launched a sharp social media campaign against the governor. Now, McAuliffe has personally characterized Everytown as an outsider group meddling in Virginia politics. And the bleat goes on.
Don’t you just love it when the Progressives eat their own. Popcorn, Miggy?
John – I would urge our listeners to pay attention to the interview with Philip Van Cleave on this issue.
Paul – Hat tip to Miguel Gonzalez of the Gun Free Zone Blog
Police Chief Urges People To Arm Themselves
A 73-year-old Waterville, Maine woman was brutally attacked in her house and the town’s Police Chief is urging residents to to arm themselves.
Police investigators say that 32-year-old Mark Halle broke into the victim’s home, beat her and sexually assaulted her at gunpoint. Quote “This is the type of case one could make an argument that citizens should arm themselves… That a gun in the hand will probably protect you more than someone on phone saying, ‘The police are coming,’” end quote said Waterville Police Chief Joe Massey.
The chief says he knows gun control is a hot button issue, but he thinks it’s worth starting a conversation with seniors about protecting themselves. We heartily agree – but an effective means of self-protection is not just for seniors.
John – A reminder to our Maine listeners – Bloomberg has been very active in the state.
Rachel- I’m glad
NY Times Reporter Flummoxed By Polite, Knowledgeable Gun Owners
A New York Times reporter did the unthinkable and actually left Times Square to talk to actual gun owners. What he found was quite amazing — at least to a New York Times reporter. It turns out that gun owners can be law-abiding, polite, knowledgeable, well spoken, reasonable and rational advocates for firearms and the Second Amendment. Who knew?
One weekend, Lawrence Downes journeyed all the way to New Hampshire to experience a “Badass Divas” class for new women shooters at the Londonderry Fish and Game Club. Under the watchful gaze of the posterized “Firearms Salesman of All Time” the reporter was immersed in the gun culture. He found his hosts (quote) “could not have been friendlier, or more serious and sincere, or less moved by my case for gun restrictions. Laws that strike me as common sense they see as ominous.” (end quote) Well… yeah. The reporter couldn’t let all of his prejudices slip, dismissing the group’s concerns about government tyranny as “paranoia.” Neither could he get away from the obvious mistakes that are distressingly typical of the mass media: breathlessly describing handling a “9-millimeter revolver” for the first time or shooting a “fully automatic rifle with a drum magazine.”
We must remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day – and a New York Times reporter wasn’t educated in a weekend. Read the article linked in the shownotes – you too will be astonished by what you find.
John – I doubt he had the Ruger LCR in 9mm
Gun Quotes ..a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen… District of Columbia Court of Appeals in Warren v. District of Columbia.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Dan and Cheryl Todd, Philip Van Cleave, and Grant Cunningham.
3- Interview 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio
4- Interview 2: Philip Van Cleave VCDL
5- Interview 3 Grant Cunningham
CCW Holder Saves Woman Being Stabbed – And Is Fired by GM
A woman was stabbed multiple times outside General Motor’s Detroit-area Vehicle Engineering Center. She was in danger of losing her life when a car valet – a Concealed Pistol License holder – drew his firearm and stopped the attack. No shots were fired. For his heroism, Didarul Sarder, 32, was escorted off GM property and terminated.
Sarder, a supervisor with the valet service subcontracted by GM, was let go for violating his employment contract which prohibited carrying weapons. GM had little official comment, but GM employees hailed Sarder as a hero who saved the life of their coworker. The local mayor condemned the firing as the public exploded in outrage. Smelling that all too familiar wiff of impending disaster, GM quietly reversed course. A company spokesman said that neither GM or the valet service fired Sarder. As of now, Sarder is officially unfired.
The two people directly involved in the incident are apparently mother and daughter. The mother is hospitalized in critical condition and the daughter is in custody. The attack is said to be domestic related.
We congratulate Sarder for his selfless actions that saved a life. We also give a hat tip to his decision to value his life and his coworker’s above his job when he decided to arm himself. We also acknowledge GM’s uncharacteristic nimbleness in getting out of the way of a public relations nightmare. However, we are very pleased to ponder the GM employee’s, mayor’s and the public’s immediate and effective support of a man with a gun. A good guy who did good things.
The times, they are indeed a changing. Particularly in Motor City.
Don’t Bring a Dumbass to a Gunfight
A Florida man ignored the most important rule of gunfighting: Don’t bring a dumbass to a gunfight. Jarell Blackmon, 24, allegedly tried to rob a local mercado armed with a replica handgun. The gun the store clerk drew was most certainly not a fake, and Blackmon ran from the store bleeding from a wound in the neck. A police K-9 found the suspect hiding nearby.
Blackmon has been charged with grand theft, armed robbery, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and a few more assundry charges. He confessed to police his firearm was fake. The store clerk has not been charged, as he believed the replica was real and that his life was in danger.
A fake gun will rightly put this thug behind real bars. And it just about put him in the ground.
CCW Holder Stops a Mass Murder
A New Orleans gas station was the scene of an argument that escalated into an attempted mass murder. A group of ATV riders had stopped for gas when Richard Macklin, 30, arrived in his car. From police reports, Mackin became enraged during an argument with the men and started firing the gun he had concealed. Three of the riders were hit. However, one victims was able to returned fire with a legally possessed firearm. By his actions, he stopped an attack that could have easily become a multiple murder. Malkin was hit in the back of the head and immediately fled. He was found several hours later being treated at a local hospital. Malkin was booked on three counts of attempted second-degree murder, illegal use of a weapon, illegal carrying of a weapon, and possession of a firearm by a felon. The “good guy”, as described by his sister, was also arrested on an outstanding warrant for a recent domestic violence incident where he displayed a handgun, threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend and then punched her in the eye.
The armed ATV rider has not been charged in what police described as a clear case of self-defense. His weapon was legally possessed and he had a CCW license. However, three of the riders that escaped the gunfire via their ATVs were arrested for reckless operation of a vehicle. Detectives confiscated five of the victim’s ATVs that were not street legal. New Orleans is cracking down on unlicensed vehicles on their streets, a lucrative misuse of police manpower in one of America’s most violent cities.
We certainly applaud the man that used his legally concealed handgun to (Wait for it, Shannon Watts!) stop a mass murder.
Homeowner Shoots Burglar in the Back
We all have that friend that lives by the motto “Better lucky than good.” An Oklahoma City homeowner was certainly lucky – and hardly good – but he’s alive and will likely escape the legal repercussions of an incident with a home invader.
The homeowner was awakened very late in the night by a loud banging on his door. He grabbed a shotgun and went to investigate. He indeed found the trouble in the form of a suspect who had entered the home. They grappled for the shotgun, and the homeowner was fortunate to retain possession. While the criminal was trying to escape, the homeowner shot him in the back at some distance. Luckily, his self-defense load was birdshot, and the burglar was not severely injured.
It all comes down to training. With the proper training, the man would likely have been informed about correct weapon and load selection, proper tactics when confronting an invader, and when it’s legally allowed to employ deadly force. We sincerely applaud the man for defending his family – but other than that, he did almost everything wrong. While he apparently will escape the criminal justice system, we doubt if he will be as lucky in the civil courts.
There’s no substitute for education.
Rob- Practice Weapons retention
Gun Owner Saves Philadelphia-Area Cop
A gun owner and CCW permit holder stepped into a desperate situation to save the life of an Philadelphia-Area policeman. The cop found himself surrounded and attacked by a large group of teens. “There were 40 kids. If it wasn’t for the good Samaritan stepping forward, he’d have been dead meat,” said Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood.
At 3 o’clock most weekdays, nearly 4000 kids pour out of a local high school. Last Friday afternoon, things turned ugly. An officer was trying to break-up a fight when both teenage combatants jumped him. “There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer. That’s when the good Samaritan, who lives on the block, came out of his house with a gun in his hand and told the teens to get away from the cop” according to Chitwood. “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”
The trapped officer suffered significant hand injuries, An officer responding to the backup request suffered a major injury to a leg. The two fighters were arrested and sent to a juvenile detention facility.
It shows you that good people on both sides of the badge can work together.
Rob- You mean he had to do more than phone the police and be a good witness?
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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Listener Voice mail x2
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Listener e-mail discussion
Our First Email is from Steve with the subject line Show Feedback
Love, love, love, that you had Jenna Meek on the show!
I always appreciate the female perspective on your show, and when Susan and Rachel aren’t available, strong personalities like Jenna fill the void nicely.
Paul – Jenna will be coming back on the show in 2 weeks to talk about her new book!
Listener Greg from Bremerton emailed us this link with the comment “Could this be a case for, know your target and what lies beyond??”
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Clayton wrote in about several topics.
Dear polite society,
Thanks again for another great show last week.
(Note: Feel free to use these segments separately where they are relevant. )
To address the basic pistol segment: I am a USCCA instructor. I’d like to add that very few of my students are willing to invest the time to take my full class version; about 90% of them elect to take an abbreviated private lesson from me.
Their lack of dedication saddens me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not allowed to tie people to chair and give them the firearms education they need!
In regards to Susan’s gun choice. I’d like to add that I am a strong supporter of Smith and Wesson’s M&P line. The Shield or the Compact in 9mm would serve you well. I suggest you get your hands on the new PPS M2 from Walther, it is almost exactly the same size as the Shield but styled very differently. It felt like a very nice piece.
I’d like everyone’s opinion on pocket .380’s
I prefer to carry my M&P CORE when concealment isn’t important, my Shield when it’s preferred, and wonder if I should invest in a Bodyguard to carry in mythological “gun free zones”.
John – I like my Sig P238.
Thank you for having Miss Corbin on your show. The public really needs to hear her story.
What impacted me the most is she was A. disarmed by the federal government in regards to buying a handgun and having a permit to carry it, and B. that she was “safe” in her home when this stranger broke in and attacked her there.
I’m tired of ridicule for being “paranoid” and carrying my gun in the home. This is not a safe world and home invasions happen all the time. It sickens me to know stories like Kimberly’s are prolific and I applaud her for getting her voice out there while most sink back into the shadows afterwards.
Lastly I’d like to add that I too am a CDL certified driver and don’t understand why the public thinks we won’t be forced to crush them if they brake in front of us!
Very glad to hear Paul never had to disarm in any of the states he trucked through last, I hope that is a trend that happens more often.
P.S. If you’re ever in desperate need for a second driver on your way through Minnesota, you know where to find me!
P.P.S. Hoping I can make it to Sioux Falls this spring, Mag40 would be invaluable in my training. I’m very happy to hear about how pro gun South Dakota is!
Rachel – ridicule? be patient. conceal. don’t’ make a big deal of it.
Jeff in Texas wrote in about an email we aired previously
In your recent episode you replied again to Terry’s email and I wanted to share my experience about the last sentence in his email.
“What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.”
Let me share an experience of mine.
Not long ago I took a force-on-force training class, In the first scenario I did have to pull my gun and shoot, But I only shot once. My instructors asked why only once, I really didn’t know why but further into the de-brief I told them that all my training to date told me never point a gun at someone. As a result, I held back.
Fortunately my instructors reminded me that I needed to get mad. Get really mad; tap into it and fight. My next two scenarios both called for a justified shoot. And yes, I got really mad and didn’t think about the number of shots I made, I just wanted the bad guy to stop, I fired until he did stop, even when I got shot.
The fighting mind set is not a pretty thing, but knowing I can fight means I don’t have to be a good little victim. That’s a good thing.
Note: Sachse is pronounced “Sak-see”.
Nathan wrote to Susan
Hey Susan and gang, 1st I would like to say you all are doing a great job. I am a regular listener and had just recently found your podcast. I enjoy it very much and you have a lot of useful information. The question I have is about my wife, let me give you a run down, at first she hated guns and didn’t want them around. I went shooting with some friends and I was hooked after that. It took me a couple of years to come around an decide to purchase 1, mostly because I saw how bad thing around the world was getting and I wanted to protect my family. So I saved up and went out and got a handgun. Needless to say she was a little hesitant about it. So I brought the whole family to a friends range so they could experience what I had enjoyed. We let them try different guns that he had. Ar15, Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm and my “new gun” Smith & Wesson SD9VE 9mm. She really didn’t like the AR15 or the Shield. She preferred the S&W SD9VE. Most of the issue was safety around the kids. Which I understood so I bought a little safe to put it in so that she felt more at ease. Since then I have gotten my CCW and have joined the NRA and am working on my Life time membership with them. I also vote as was mentioned in the last podcast. My question is how to get her more into shooting? I have taken her to the range once before as a date and let her shoot the 380’s ( I am not mean lol) she still prefers the 9mm in a subcompact size. I now have 2 hand guns (Glock 19 and a S&W Shield 9mm) so I can carry 1 and leave 1 at home for her to protect herself and the kids. From a woman’s view how would you suggest I get her more comfortable around “guns”. I am very safety conscious and have been teaching the kids about gun safety, including my son who love to go shooting his Remington bolt action 22 that his grandfather gave him. As far as me a training class is in my near future. Any suggestions?
P.S. sorry about the long email and being all over the place.
staying safe and armed in NC
Rachel: Let her make her own decisions
it’s ok if guns aren’t her thing
Don’t give her 380’s. 9mm is often more comfortable.
Girl & A Gun club – give her info and let her decide
Appleseed…especially Ladyseed shoots
try a fun .22 – handgun or rifle
quiet ranges, short range time
Rob- Do not push. Eddie Eagle for the kids. Let her take a class. 22LR. Ruger 10-22 rifle. Buckmark. Ruger 22-45.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote an article called “Unarmed and Afraid in a Gun Free Zone”. You can find that and more at Clash Daily. Ammoland, and at slow facts dot wordpress dot com. John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.
John – If you haven’t figured out by now, this is a presidential election year and the airwaves in primary states are full of ads. I saw such an ad featuring former Attorney General Eric Holder endorsing Hillary Clinton. She sought Holder’s endorsement because she thinks it will help her with black voters in the SC Democratic primary. This led me to write a blog post with the inflammatory title, “She approves of dead Mexicans, gun running, and murdered Federal LEOs.” When you seek an endorsement, you get both the good and the bad about the endorser. Eric Holder was the most partisan, most disgraceful, most contemptible AG in the history of this country. Hillary doesn’t care about his role in Operation Fast and Furious and his contempt for the Constitution so long as it gets her one more vote in South Carolina. Hillary doesn’t care about those that have died and those that will die as a result of Holder’s quest for more gun control. They are just more casualties in her quest for the Presidency.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?
Rob- limit letters to 300 words?
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