Episode 339 – Melody Lauer

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Melody Lauer

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Saturday July 11th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Melody Lauer about Sheepdog Mommas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the gun used in a California shooting that was stolen… from a federal agent.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a group of thugs try to break into a store that sells class 3 firearms, they made a big mistake.

I’m Natalie Foster, and we find out why background checks didn’t stop the AME church murderer. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 339 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob-  Eddie eagle, dry practice,

John – I spent a few hours today at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. I think we signed up 5 new members. We also handed out an alert asking people to contact their NC State Senators. We are asking the Senate to restore the parts cut out of the gun rights bill that passed the NC house last month. Ending the pistol purchase permit system and making sure that docs cannot require you to answer written questionnaires on gun ownership were key parts of the omnibus bill.

Doc Wesson and I are working to organize a 2-3 day training class in the Greensboro area of North Carolina this fall. A date has not been set. It will feature Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson. There will be a segment on defensive handgun use, defensive revolver, and possibly one day on carbines. If you are interested, see the show notes for contact info for me and Doc.

Other than that, I’d like to ask listeners to keep my mother in law Grace in their thoughts and prayers. She is moving from a rehab facility to a nursing home this coming week. Barb will be leaving in the morning for St. Louis to help with the move.  (John – If your wife needs anything, be sure to give me a call. Dan)

Natalie- http://www.nrawomen.tv/love-at-first-shot  New season with Julie Golob coming out soon.


Paul- Busy week. Lots of running, we record this one on Saturday evening and I need to leave again Sunday morning. I usually run Monday through Friday, with an occasional Saturday morning. My boss needs me to fill in on running nationally again for a few weeks so I might need to take a few weeks off from the show. I will stick my head in if I can, but no guarantees. I have a GREAT team around me and I know if I cannot make it in they will do a good job.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Mention Go Fund Me for GRPC equipment/  http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw


Seg 2- News

The first 2 stories are related to the failure of background checks. 1 they never would have been utilized 2 they failed, we could mention something in the throw to Susan.

Kathryn Steinle’s Killer Used a Federal Agent’s Gun

It now looks like the government that enabled Kathryn Steinle’s killer to be on that San Francisco pier — also armed him. This adds a bitter, ironic twist to an already tragic event. Leaked information has tied the .40 caliber Glock murder weapon to a Bureau of Land Management Ranger. The Ranger was in San Francisco on official business when his automobile was burglarized. The police did not start an investigation on the gun theft until after Steinle’s murder. The Bureau of Land Management is coordinating with the San Francisco Police, but there is very little official information at this time. Why the wildland agent was in San Francisco and why the pistol was left unattended have not been disclosed.

The Steinle murder has ignited a firestorm over immigration policy, sanctuary cities, lax sentencing, parole and recidivism. Police, Sheriffs, ICE bureaucrats, city officials and politicians are desperately trying to smear one another. Predictably, San Francisco Representative, House Minority Leader and sanctuary city supporter Nancy Pelosi wasted no time before once again demanding more gun control. She opined that Congress has a moral responsibility to act. Unfortunately, that moral responsibility does not seem to extend to the wholesale violations of the country’s laws.

Obama’s White House has been largely silent on Kathryn Steinle’s killing, her illegal alien murderer, and the serious problems of sanctuary cities and current immigration policy.

FBI Background Check Allowed Charleston Emanuel AME Church Killer To Buy Gun – Emailed in by Listener Anthony L

FBI Director James B. Comey admitted that the FBI’s NICS system failed and allowed the Charleston Emanuel AME church murderer to buy his firearm over the counter. The breakdown resulted from several FBI and local law enforcement errors. There were failures in the human component as well as the design of the NICS database. Comey has ordered a 30-day review of procedures and processes that led to the failure. FBI agents in South Carolina have met with the victim’s families to explain.

The killer’s admission to a felony drug crime should have been noted in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). That admission should have red-flagged the killer’s application. According to Comey, information had been incorrectly entered in into the FBI’s databases. In addition, South Carolina law enforcement agencies confused the situation or did not respond in a timely manner. “It’s not clear why that happened,” Comey said of the errors, “but it made a big difference.” As a result of the “highly improbable“ bureaucratic errors, the killer’s NICS check did not reject him, and he walked out of the gun store with a pistol.

The failure is worrisome, as the $100 million a year system failed to do what it needed to do. There is a growing body of evidence that the NICS system actually catches very few criminals, who normally get their weapons from uncontrolled back-alley purchases. In a prior year, only 11 criminals were successfully prosecuted through the NICS system. That’s about $9 Mil per conviction. One hundred million could pay for a lot of cops on the street, doing a lot more to fight crime. Instead of giving the gun-control community pause, these shortfalls have only resulted in more strident calls for gun-control, including every gun sale to go through the NICS system.

It is heartbreaking to realize that the nine AME parishioners in essence relied upon the false security of the NICS check at the cost of their lives. They believed the failed gun-control measures would keep them safe. Safe from the very evil they knew existed.

Gun-walking, much?

New Jersey is at it Again

Chris Christie’s New Jersey is at it again: bringing the full weight of the state against an innocent CCW carrier.

Brian Fletcher mobilized his crew to help repair cell phone tower damage in Trenton, New Jersey. He left his North Carolina home in less than an hour, responding to an emergency plea from New Jersey. There, he was approached by a police officer. Fletcher handed over his ID and as a good North Carolina citizen, naturally informed the cop that he had his CCW in his work truck.

Ignoring Fletcher’s critical disaster relief work and NC CCW permit, the cop arrested and charged him for carrying a firearm, a Class 2 felony in the Garbage State. We now think that if a New Jersey cop approaches, you should only give him your name, rank and serial number, as you are in enemy territory.

Fletcher is now at home in North Carolina, free on a $25,000 dollar bond. His lawyer is trying for pre-trial intervention and hoping for a pardon. We wish NJ governor Christie would shake off his food coma and do the right thing. We hope he immediately frees an innocent man, rather than waiting for the right time in his presidential campaign.  And big guy, fix your damn state’s insane gun laws NOW, or you can choke on your overfed political ambitions.

Rob- pro tip- check your luggage and pants cuffs!


Backdoor Gun Restrictions In Denver

Gun restrictions can come from a variety of directions.  Thanks to some fine investigational work by our own John Richardson, we now know that the City of Denver has modified the International Fire Code to limit the amount of small arms cartridges in a residence to 10,000. This Denver specific amendment was first instituted in 2008 with little notice. NSSF tests have shown that modern firearm cartridges in any amount are no danger in a fire. The IFC does contain a limit of 10,000 primers; which is reasonable, as primers are explosive in bulk.

It is not known why Denver made the nonsensical amendment. However, our Denver listeners might just want to inquire – loudly. Other listeners might want to keep an eye on their local Building Code bureaucrats.

In the show notes we have the text of Denver’s amendment.

SECTION 3306 (2008)


Add Section 3306.4.3 as follows:

3306.4.3 Small arms cartridges. No more than 10,000 small arms cartridges shall be stored in any Group R (Residential) occupancy

John – I am still trying to find out if the Denver addition is part of the 2015 revision of the IFC. Many cities adopt the IFC in its totality into their own building codes.

Rob- Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter: What Happens When Ammo Burns? – SAAMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

Seattle’s Worst: Proposal to tax gun sales and ammunition purchases

The power to tax is the power to destroy. That seems to be what Seattle City Council President Tim Burgess is about with his proposed $25 per firearm and 5 cents per round of ammunition tax. It should be obvious, even to a politician, that people will just go outside the Seattle limits to make their firearm and ammo purchases. City gun stores would suffer and close, making it more difficult for residents to exercise their Second Amendment Rights, which is likely the real intent.

Burgess justifies his sin tax with the old refrain of gun violence expense. No mention was made of the expense that could come with NOT having a gun. Any tax revenues would be used to fund gun violence prevention programs. Historically, these programs have largely been ineffective boon-doggles.

The NSSF and Alan Gotlieb are already planning their Seattle lawsuits. Larry Keane of the NSSF said “The NSSF will vigorously oppose this misguided attempt to blame the lawful and regulated commerce in firearm and ammunition products for the violent acts of criminal,”

Alan Gottlieb said “It looks like we will get to sue Seattle again and notch another win,” “We have already sued them under the Washington preemption law and won before. They make winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time fun!”

We wish Alan Gotlieb all the fun he can handle!

Rob- The city council said guns cause problems, so gun owners should pay. Are the police immune from these taxes?  I want to tax the politicians for all the unemployment they cause?

Drive to Recall Oregon Democratic Leader Ends as She Will Step Down

A move to recall Democratic House Majority Leader Val Hoyle over gun control legislation was halted when the lawmaker announced she was stepping down. Hoyle announced that she was leaving her House leadership position and will focus “on getting out of the building.

The petition drive had collected enough signatures to force a recall. However, a complaint had been filed challenging the petition circulation as improper. Given the expense of fighting the allegation, and that the recall has largely met its desired goals, the Hoyle recall was ended to focus resources on the recall of two other anti-gun legislators.  Oregon!!!!

Lynne Russell Opens Fire at the Chattering Class – Also emailed in by Anthony L

Lynne Russell is rapidly become the Poster Girl of many gunnies.  Relieved that her hero husband will survive his five gunshot wounds, she has turned her guns on the chattering class that’s making much of the Motel 6 shoot-out.

She described the attack in detail, and her and her husband’s actions, then Russell really opened up:

“The United States of America is a great country. You can debate absolutely anything, whether or not it has merit, and whether or not it’s any of your business. But guns? There’s nothing to debate. Throw out all the numbers and expert opinions. I’ve got your expert right here, and it’s called EXPERIENCE.

Now, ask me how I feel about the Right to Bear Arms. Here’s the truth:

  1. Criminals will always have guns, this is not about them.
  2. Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms. Humans have a right to defend themselves. If we didn’t have the Second Amendment, we would create it.
  3. You can’t control everything; but if it makes you feel better, go with a simple law preventing violent offenders from buying firearms. Make it “violent” offenders rather than “white collar” offenders, or most of Capitol Hill won’t be allowed to own them.
  4. Get a gun, get legal, be responsible, trust yourself. Don’t trust yourself? Then don’t carry. But for God’s sake then, shut the (fudge) up about it, because that’s where your involvement ends.”

All we can say is: You GO Girl!

Cuomo Shelves Background Checks On Ammo Purchase

In one of those Friday afternoon news dumps that politicians hope you miss, New York State and its anti-gun governor Andrew Cuomo have decided to suspend the requirement for background checks for ammunition purchases. While Cuomo made these background checks a key part of his NY SAFE Act, he ordered a key aide to sign a memorandum of understanding with the State Senate Majority Leader, Republican James J. Flanagan suspending the checks. The memorandum citing “the lack of adequate technology,” said the database “cannot be established and/or function in the manner originally intended at this time.”

In other words, Cuomo finally realized that trying to do background checks on a box of .22 LR was a boondoggle that wasn’t going to work. Democrats in the State Assembly and Senate criticized the move calling it “an ill-advised end run around the Legislature and the Safe Act.”

Natalie foster- Gun Quotes – “I’m not a “CCWer”, I’m not an “OCer”. I’m not in your Jets or your Sharks. I’m not a Sheepdog. My gun has less emotional freight or symbolic significance to me than my watch and only slightly more than my shoes. It’s a thing I carry around so that, should the necessity of fool-shooting be forced upon me, I will have something with which to shoot said fools.” — Tamara Keel

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews


Melody Lauer-

Are guns a hazard to children?

Why do moms want guns in the home?

What does it take to be safely have a firearm in the home?

Why do we hear such polar extremes?

Segment 4 DGUs

Chicagoland Police Chief – Gun possessors are potential murderers.

Despite recent success, when faced with explaining a bloody 4th of July weekend,  Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy knew just who to blame – the law-abiding gun owner.  “It’s real simple,” he said, “Gun possessors are potential murderers. If they don’t learn a lesson for carrying the gun, they keep carrying the gun. They get into an argument, now instead of fighting, they shoot.” McCarthy said there need to be stricter gun laws and blamed “the gun lobby” for the lack of political motivation to pass them.

All this was said in light of a man with 45 criminal convictions, including a recent arrest for gun possession for which he only spent a single night in jail. That man, a high ranking gang member, was involved in a gang shoot-out that killed his son. McCarthy said the system failed the seven year old boy. We can clearly see that Chicago’s failed legal system desperately needs revising. The Second Amendment does not.

I think we all know who is simple.

Rob- Who is this cop calling a risk?  licensed gun owners are more law abiding than the police?

Victim Selection Process Fail: Houston Gun Store

Two, perhaps three, criminals decided on an adventure at a Houston area gun stone. They were obviously planning on acquiring firearms without going through the NICS background check. What they didn’t plan on was the owner of the Class 3 Weapons gun store meeting them at the door. The owner fired his shotgun, killing one of the burglars. The other ran away, followed by a hail of pistol shots. That man is still on the loose.

This is the second time in recent memory that the gun store had been robbed. Several months ago a vehicle had been used to break through the store’s wall. Police are questioning the owner and have not indicated if he’ll face charges. The case is expected to be referred to the Houston Grand Jury.  When asked about the robbery of a gun store, the police spokeswoman merely shrugged and said “It’s Houston.”

Rob- When does shooting at criminals become a competitive sport?

74 year old man with CCW shoots two teenage attackers

74-year-old Larry Dean Claybaker was getting into his car in Nashville when he was robbed by two teenage thugs. They took his cellphone and told him to get out of the car.  That’s when Claybaker pulled a pistol from his pocket and fired one round at each suspect.

Keion Andreas Hayes, 17, was hit in the stomach. He was held at gunpoint until the police took him into custody. His accomplice ran away with Claybaker’s cell phone and has not been arrested. Hayes will likely face juvenile court after he is released from the hospital. Police said Claybaker will not be charged as he was legally carrying concealed and acted in self-defense.

Two young thugs against a 74 year old man… we think that is more than sufficient disparity of force. Well done, Larry, excuse me, Mr Claybaker.

Man Shoot Ex-Boyfriend

A tony, gated Maryland neighborhood was the scene of a shooting early Monday morning.  The resident called 911 around 2:30 a.m. to report that he had just shot someone who was breaking into his home. Police found thirty year old Craig Ivan Corbin Jr. of Baltimore at the scene, killed trying to climb through a window. Police say the two individuals had a prior romantic relationship.

Police have not said if they will charge the resident.

Woman Shoots Abusive Boyfriend

Faced with a dangerously abusive boyfriend, a New Orleans woman retrieved her gun and shot the man. Randy Johnson spent the Fourth brutally abusing, hitting, pinning and strangling his girlfriend. She broke up their relationship with a shot to his groin. (aaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

Johnson was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to his… err… Johnson.  He was released from the hospital on July 5 and booked on one count of domestic abuse battery by strangulation.

The woman’s gun certainly made a difference In her life. It may have also made a difference in her attacker’s.  However at this time, it is not known if Randy Johnson will be changing his name to Rhonda Johnson.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.


Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Lynn D

I love your podcast. Don’t change a thing. I like the relevance and the slight irreverence

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?




Ammoland, Clash Daily, and my blog slow facts dot word press dot com

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I want to refer listeners to a short post I did on Friday. I found a highly ironic photo of Hillary Clinton pushing more gun control while campaigning in Iowa. The backdrop is an Iowa state flag which features the motto: “Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain.”

That and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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