Episode 329 – Mother’s Day


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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 10th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a rock star who says we need to fight back against ISIS terrorists.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and for Mother’s Day we will talk to my mom. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 329 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant


John – I played hooky on Friday afternoon and went to our local Wildlife Resources Commission range. I got to test out my new ultra-lightweight AR-15 and my Ruger LC9s Pro You do have more felt recoil with a very lightweight AR but it was not objectionable. Even during rapid fire, I was able to stay on target easily. I did run into some trouble with the feed with the magazines. PMags were generally fine but I had trouble getting the first round to feed with the GI-type mags. After the first round feed, then no more trouble. As for the Ruger LC9s, I ran a box of ammo through it without any failures. I still have some more to go before it has passed the reliability test for being a carry gun. As I wasn’t shooting for accuracy but reliability, I’ll have to leave how accurate it is until a later report. I will say that I love the trigger.


End of pers news segment – Paul – I have had ownership of GP2AS.com and the corresponding facebook page for a while and just do not have the time to give them. I am not looking to sell them, I am looking for someone to take them over. I want to be clear, there are expenses to the website and if you offer to take over YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. Email me if you would be interested in taking over those domains.


Also I would like to remind our listeners that we are trying to raise money for some additional equipment to live stream GRPC 2015 in Phoenix. We have a go-fund-me page set up and are about halfway to our goal, but it is getting closer and we haven’t been mentioning it lately..






Seg 2- News

The Who’s Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again

Us old farts now have one more reason to like Pete Townshend, guitarist of the long-running supergroup: the Who.


On the eve of the Who’s 50th anniversary tour, Rolling Stone asked Townshend about the threat of Islamic radicals. The rockstar related; “I do think it’s very important that we keep our ammunition ready. I do feel there is nothing to worry about as long as we’re willing to protect ourselves. Whether it comes to our door in a Charlie Hebdo scenario or in a 9/11 scenario, we need to keep calm and to honor our own sense of values and justice and law and the way that we want to live.”

Townshend also called Huff Post’s Arianna Huffington “A dimwitted woman.”

It’s obvious that Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again.


John – I wonder if his “Shotgun will sing the song”?


Federal Judge Throws Out SAF Challenge to Washington’s I-594

A Federal judge has thrown out the Second Amendment Foundation’s lawsuit challenging Washington’s Bloomberg inspired Universal Registration scheme. I-594 is a poorly written law, designed to confuse the law-abiding and potentially criminalize the everyday use of firearms. There is no agreement in the law-enforcement arena on how this vague law should be enforced, if at all.


The George W. Bush appointed judge did quite a few legal pirouettes in declaring that the plaintiffs had no standing. The plaintiffs were denied standing as they were not being prosecuted or at immediate risk of prosecution. The fact that gun owners in Washington were intimately affected by the overbroad law was ignored. By the judge’s logic, a citizen would need to be charged with violating the law before they would have standing in court.


Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, expects to appeal. “It is mind boggling that a law-abiding citizen evidently must put their civil rights, not to mention their clean criminal record, at risk before a court can rule whether a law is constitutional,” Gottlieb observed. “Because the state has refused to prosecute violators does not diminish the constitutional threat of this law,” he stressed. “This is 2015, not the Dark Ages.”


Gottlieb and his legal team will continue to pursue justice in this case.


Oregon Prepares to Enact SB 941

Bloomberg’s Universal Registration mischief has surfaced in another state. Oregon’s SB 941, largely based on the anti-gun Colorado and Washington laws, has passed both legislative houses and is now on Governor Kate Brown’s desk. The signature of the hard-left governor is certain, probably only being delayed to arrange the celebratory press event.

It is expected that the Oregon bill will create the same uncertainty and confusion that Bloomberg inflicted on Colorado and Washington. The reaction is also likely to be the same, with lawsuits, protests, recalls, and a political shift toward the right.


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Oklahoma May Soon Allow Trained Personnel to Carry in School

Many have noted that salt water seems to cause insanity. This certainly explains coastal Washington, Oregon, California, New Jersey and Miguel Gonzalez of Florida. (Hey, Miggy!)


Landlocked Oklahoma is exhibiting significant signs of sanity in passing a bill that would allow trained personnel to carry arms on school grounds.  The Oklahoma House voted in favor of legislation allowing a school district’s board of education to designate a school employee to attend an armed security guard training program or reserve peace officer program and pay for the training. The legislation has only to be signed by Governor Mary Fallin for it to become law. The governor has not indicated if she will sign the bill, but she has previously backed gun rights expansion in the state.


Hopefully, Sooners will soon be able to actively protect their most important treasures.


South Carolina May Be Poised To Enact Permitless Carry

Constitutional Carry is rapidly gaining momentum. South Carolina’s House recently passed a bill on its second reading allowing permitless carry by the margin of 90-18. The bill is likely to pass a third reading, and  then go before the state Senate where it will face challenges. Governor Nikki Haley has said that she would sign a constitutional carry bill, so she would presumably sign a partial reform such as this one.


This bill is not constitutional carry, as it does not allow open carry. South Carolina is one of only six states that prohibit open carry.  A powerful Republican Senate committee chair has said that open carry personally offends him. We urge all South Carolinians to tune-up this curmodgeon and immediately contract their other political representatives in support of this bill.




North Carolina’s Demanding Moms Are Worried

Bloomberg’s astroturfing Demanding Moms swept up all the hoary old platitudes when they visited the North Carolina Legislature this week. Their panties are in a wad over a bill to remove the sheriffs’ criminal background checks of pistol permit applicants. The sheriff checks are an unnecessarily expensive step as they duplicate the federal automated NICS background checks.


We urge all North Carolinians to immediately contract their political representatives to support HB 562. You might also ask your sheriff why he opposes it..


John – I’d like to expand on this a bit. The pistol permit purchase system was put into place in 1919 with a wink and a nod. It was designed to keep undesirables from obtaining handguns. In 1919 North Carolina that meant blacks, union organizers, Yankee carpetbaggers, and the like.


ATF accepts the pistol purchase permits as a substitute for the NICS checks. A study in 2013 by the Charlotte Observer showed that there were over 60 people in one county alone who had been issued pistol purchase permits who were now prohibited individuals. The permits are good for 5 years from date of issue and, until 2 years ago, sheriffs were not required to keep track of the people who had been issued them. The objection that some sheriffs have now to ending the permit system – which they won’t admit – is that they will lose a source of revenue separate from what is given them by county governments.

Designer of 3-D-Printed Gun Challenges Feds
For a variety of telling reasons, the ability to print out firearms using common 3-D printers and everyday materials has frightened the government.  With his Liberator, Cody Wilson has designed an all plastic gun that could be made in a 3-D printer. Within days of its internet release, the Obama State Department claimed a violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations and ordered the plans removed from the website.  Now the government has seized ownership of The Liberator. (Irony, much?)


This week, the Second Amendment Foundation has filed a lawsuit against the government charging the violations of  Wilson’s First, Second and Fifth Amendment Rights. The government is engaging in behavior that denies Wilson’s due process. The SAF is compelled to file the action because the bureaucracy is evidently playing games and it’s time for these agencies to behave. SAF also wants to publish the information about three-dimensional printing of firearms on its web site as educational material for its 650,000 members, supporters and general public.


Wilson’s goal was to invalidate the government’s “unconstitutional” hold on gun technology. Alan Gottlieb of the SAF contends: “The right to keep and bear arms includes the ability to acquire or create arms. John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, states that “3-D printers mean an end to any gun control. The government is not going to be able to ban magazines for guns, or ban guns themselves, and the notions of background checks would be even more impossible to do. I understand why government wants to regulate this, but it is too late. Technology moves faster than government.”


We wish them Godspeed.


Jesse Jackson blames full-auto AK-47s for Chicago Violence


Rev. Jesse Jackson, his Rainbow PUSH organization, and the Demanding Mommies held a demonstration outside of Chuck’s Guns in suburban Cook County, Illinois. Between the gun prohibitionists and a counter protest by members of the Illinois State Rifle Association, there were about 100 people there. Jackson blamed the violence in Chicago on full-auto AK-47s and other such full-auto weapons, saying, “There is no place in the city streets for AK47s, there’s no place for full automatic weapons.  Street gangs are more well armed than the police are.”


We don’t know where Jesse gets his facts but of the 125 murders year to date in Chicago, none were committed with a full-auto firearm of any sort. We won’t go into the fact that full-auto weapons have been regulated by the National Firearms Act since 1934.


Gun Quotes


The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster, (1787).


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews


Segment 4 DGUs


Garland Texas Policeman Stops Terror Attack

This week saw terror come again to American soil. Two ISIS affiliated terrorists sought to kill hundreds of people expressing their free speech rights by drawing the Prophet Mohammad.  The attack was stopped cold, ended by a policeman with a tremendous amount of bravery and skill — and a commonly available pistol.


A sixty-year-old Garland, Texas traffic cop responded to the gunfire that wounded his partner. From the available reports, he advanced into their rifles, wounding one terrorist, killing the second, then shot the first one again as he reached for a backpack possibly containing explosives. Details are very sketchy at this time, but in overhead pictures it’s possible to see the trail of shell casings left as the policeman took the fight to the terrorists.


There are lessons aplenty in this incident. It appears now that the dead were not directly sponsored by any foreign terror organization. That is not the good news it may seem. The two were radicalized through social media, choosing to achieve ISIS’ ends on their own. ISIS infected malcontents could appear anywhere across the US in large individual numbers. With ISIS training camps a few miles from the deliberately opened southern border, better arms and training could easily be provided to enhance the skills of those sorry individuals.

ISIS boasts that they have 71 soldiers in 15 different states, with targets in 5. By chance or design, those five states are amongst the most gun restrictive. Concealed carry would be limited there, along with other defensive advantages of the gun culture. Several commentators have noted how much the Garland situation looked like an IPSC stage. Could Texas’ vibrant gun culture have contributed to the success of the gentleman? Would an anti-gun environment have hurt?  We know which way we would bet.

Garland is very much an everyman’s triumph. An aging traffic cop armed with a common Glock pistol defeated two armed and armored terrorists. He is the very definition of the heroes in our Don’t Torque-Off the Old Person series. The skills and equipment to make a difference are well within the grasp of the common man and woman. All of us will need to take them in hand. We need to get armed, frequently train, practice, carry everywhere, and stay alert. There is no telling where we will be when the balloon goes up the next time.


Armed Citizen Saves Police Officer
An armed citizen acted to save a police officer being beaten by a dangerous criminal. During a foot chase of a home robbery suspect, the policeman had his baton taken and used against him. The officer was hit on the head as many as twelve times, causing a large gash. Into that desperate situation stepped a citizen, who shouted at the thief to stop. The citizen backed up his demand with a drawn gun.


The suspect and his confederate were placed under arrest.  The downed officer was taken to the local hospital. He was later released and is expected to make a full recovery.


We certainly commend the civic minded civilian hero for his actions and bravery.


Home Invader Shot By Hunter

In a suburb of Boulder, Colorado, a home-invader ignored a really big clue, and paid for his inattention. Roberto Zamora, 19, was stalking the well-to-do neighborhood that night. Several homeowners had already called 911 about his attempts to break into their homes. The house he finally choose for his adventure was odd, as it had a trophy visible to all: a magnificent Elk head mounted high on the wall. Most would have taken this as a clue that the house had a firearm along with someone who knew how to use it. Many robbers would have shied off. Not this criminal.


Zamora made his intentions clear by trying to break-in a rear window. The homeowner armed himself while his wife added to the 911 calls to the cops. Zamora reversed his attack and burst through the glass front door. The victim was knocked to the ground, there was a struggle, a shot, and Zamora fell dead with a single bullet wound to the chest.

The homeowner and his wife spoke to 911 again. The owner calmly told the dispatcher he had shot the suspect. “Everything’s fine. You just need to get the cops here.” The victim held onto his gun until told to put it down by the 911 dispatcher. When the cops finally arrived, the owner told them he shot because he feared for his life. The Boulder District Attorney’s Office will determine if the shooting falls under Colorado’s Castle Doctrine, dismissively referred to as the “Make My Day” law by much of the local media.


Even in this upscale neighborhood, the cops arrived a lifetime too late. When they did finally arrive, they were simply historians, armed for their own protection. The homeowner’s decision to arm himself possibly — probably — saved him and his wife from serious injury or death at the hands of a seemingly unstable intruder.


Police Shoot Victim of Home Invasion

The Initial armed citizen/ police contact is fraught with danger. Especially when shots have been fired and the adrenalin is screaming in everybody’s viens.  A Hollywood, South Carolina homeowner was shot in the neck by responding deputies when he failed to put down the firearm in his hands.

Deputies were called to the home by reports of an ongoing armed home invasion. They observed two cyclist pedalling away from the scene, but naturally focused on the man at the backdoor with a gun. In the first confusing seconds, the man was ordered to drop the gun, and then shot by a deputy when he did not comply. In the ambulance, the homeowner said he had been in a gunfight with two men who escaped on bicycles. He had been on the phone with the 911 operator for about nine minutes, but dropped the line to defend himself. Another 911 call from a woman reported shots fired.

One of the cyclists has been caught and charged with first-degree burglary and attempted murder. The homeowner has been operated on, but his condition is not known at this time.

What is known, that in the chaotic situation that is a self-defense shooting, it’s important to realize that the cops cannot know what is going on or who the players actually are. It is absolutely essential that the victim not appear threatening. The police orders are to be followed immediately. Plan accordingly.


Armed citizen not going to be charged after review of a January shooting in a Waffle House.


Back in January we covered a shooting in a Waffle house restaurant. At the time it wasn’t certain whether the man who defended himself would be charged. After a thorough review the Florida state’s attorney’s office announced this week that they will not charge Jerharrd Williams in the case.  There is video of the shooting that was released, and it looks as though Mr Williams was going “by the book after the shooting. Even to the point of after the shooting and the danger had passed he laid down the gun and called police.


WWII Vet Tunes-Up a Punk – DTOOP  (This Goes Last in the DGUs)

Finally, in another of our continuing “Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy or Gal” series, we have the heartwarming story of an older gentleman doing his part to help educate the youth of America.


A 95-year-old Manchester, New Hampshire resident saw a young man eyeing him in the local pharmacy. The observant old guy wasn’t too shocked when the thug tried to rob him in the neighboring credit union parking lot. The thief made repeated grabs for the wallet kept in a zippered pocket. That wallet was precious to victim, it contained a credit card, license and his grandchildren’s pictures; to him, worth fighting for.

Did we mention the Old Guy was a World War II veteran, a soldier, and had fought on Bloody Okinawa?


“He wasn’t very aggressive — but I was.” Arthur Kemberis remembers. “I probably hurt him a little bit.” Indeed. The thug got tuned-up several times with Arthur’s metal walking cane; taking 3 or 4 thumps to the shoulder. A passerby finally intervened, saving the feckless thief from additional embarrassment. He’s still on the run, but the police have an excellent surveillance photo of the punk.

After all that he’s endured, Old Guy Arthur isn’t taking any more chances; “My .357 Magnum will be with me all the time.” A note to thieves thinking about preying on the Greatest Generation: It’s dangerous to Torque-Off the Old Guy.




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Segment 5 Show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Comment from the Website: Mark Hookum commented on our last episode.


Thank you for all you do, I live in Minnesota and I’ve heard my guys from the Minnesota groups on your show, ( Andrew Rothman ) I actually listen to your show over and over. Don’t take this wrong, I listen to your show as I drift off to sleep because I almost feel I know your people and you are just comforting , I also listen at least once at work to make sure I catch the whole podcast in full, to make sure I hear everything said, Thank you ALL


Rob wanted us to mention one of his slow facts blog posts he made this week. He wrote about the 7th Circuit decision that we covered last week and extrapolated that the ruling could FORCE people to buy guns as the majority opinion in the Pew Research poll showed that people felt safer in the home when there was a gun there. They used opinion in the decision, but used the minority opinion.  Therefore since the wrong opinion was used it could be turned and force those that do not believe in guns to possess them. That is our VERY short synopsis of his column, go read it for yourself at slow facts dot wordpress dot com


John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?


Congressman Mike Rogers of Alabama has offered an excellent amendment to the act which funds the Dept of Defense. He is proposing that the approximately 92,000 1911s that the government still has in storage and which costs them about $200,000 annually to store, be transferred to the Civilian Marksmanship Program for sale. I think this proposal is worthy of our listeners support. Of course, you have to meet certain marksmanship standards and be a member of a CMP affiliated club to be able to purchase anything from the CMP.


This post and others can be found at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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