Episode 308

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Superbowl Sunday February 1st 2014 , I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about one of Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups messing up again, and this time it could land them in court.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the possible end of Operation Choke Point
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a 74 year old successfully defends himself against a home invader
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also have a lot of listener email to cover.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 308 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I cut my hand.  I couldn’t type, or go to the range or dry practice.  I’ve been talking about us so much that I ran out of podcast business cards.
John – The only thing shooting related is that I used a discount coupon that I picked up at SHOT to get a high quality trigger from ALG Defense at 30% off. Other than that, it was back to the routine of work and teaching.
Paul – Trip home from Shot Show, visiting grandkids, trying to outrun Snowmageddon, possible changes to show.
Rachel- I’ve been a musician for the past few days. Just dreaming of range time and listening in on the rodeo at the Capitol.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)
Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)
Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

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Seg 2- News

Paul-John Edeen posted on the website Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.  His article is called A tale of two cities.  On this podcast we have reported when doctors defended themselves.  John reminds us of when they could not defend themselves.  Quote ”We should not have to run afoul of the law or hospital policy to be able to defend ourselves in our workplaces.”  Medical professionals can follow these pro-rights doctors at www.drgo.us

Paul-Former mayor of New York Michael (guns protect me but not thee) Bloomberg’s Everytown group had to do quite a bit of backpedaling and may be in line for a lawsuit in the near future. Last week they put out a study that stated …

In its latest report, titled “Hiding in Plain Sight,” Everytown monitored guns for sale on three primary websites and in a sting-like move posted 24 guns for sale on a popular arms website between July 28 and Oct. 9.

Some 169 potential buyers responded. Investigators hired by the group checked criminal backgrounds and found that seven of the 169 were prohibited by law from possessing firearms.

By extrapolating the data, “gun sales transacted on just three websites put an estimated 126 guns into the hands of felons and domestic abusers in Vermont — and likely many more — in this year alone,” the report concluded.

The only problem is that AT LEAST 6 of those 24 advertised guns were from a single FFL in Mount Holly Vermont. Not only did Bloomies group pretty much just make things up to fit their story they now may face a lawsuit from the owner of Crossfire Arms, who has hired a lawyer to explore his options.

Paul- We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in the past. It was an effort by the Justice Department in conjunction with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to label gun stores, among other businesses, as “suspect” and “risky”. This past Wednesday the FDIC back off and reversed their stance. They said that banks should assess risk on a case-by-case basis. The FDIC said banks shouldn’t decline “to provide banking services to entire categories of customers without regard to the risks presented by an individual customer or the financial institution’s ability to manage the risk.” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, had introduced legislation to outlaw the practice. In a statement he released Wednesday, he said he had met with the FDIC chairman and vice-chair. In that meeting they had acknowledged “wrongdoing” on the agency’s party and would be having their Inspector General look into who was responsible for it. Luetkemeyer plans to keep going forward with his legislation on the matter.

Rob- the power to make arbitrary administrative decisions is the power to act as a tyrant.  The FDIC can act as god with their phone and their pen.

Gary -Kentucky is taking steps to speed up the process of getting a concealed carry permit. The Kentucky State Police are now taking applications online and will now issue permits within 15 days rather than the old 60 days for paper applications. Applicants are still required to pass an in-person training course on Kentucky law and basic firearm safety, undergo a background check, and have a valid email address. This program which began in mid-November has had several hundred people take advantage of it. The sponsor of the law that enabled the changes, former St. Sen. Sara Beth Gregory, defended the program against Democrat critics saying, “”The faster we can be responsive to people’s applications, the better the system is. Speeding up the process to approve people who should be approved is not a bad thing.”


2:11 Gary –DEA and ATF considered using license plate cameras at gun shows to “aid gun-trafficking investigations.” DEA head Michelle Leonhart denies that they ever implemented the idea. The potential program came to light due to a FOIA request by the ACLU which was looking into a DEA database that tracked the movement of vehicles within the United States. The primary goal of that database is asset forfeiture and it has been used by state and local law enforcement agencies since 2009. Asked about the program, the NRA said that they would have no comment until they learned more about it.

Rob-comment Do you remember the gun owners harassed in Maryland.  We have years of license plate data here in San Diego.  Now we have lawyers asking if that data can be subpoenaed, or if the data has to be destroyed.

Waze posts where police officers are parked. Sheriffs Want Waze’s Cop-Tracker Shut Down

Gary -If we pushed gun ownership underground for 30 years, there would be no gun ownership in 40 years.  That is why we ask you to take friends shooting, particularly young friends.  We want to build the culture of responsible gun ownership.. and the anti-rights politicians want to destroy that culture.  New York Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal introduced a bill to ban children under 12 years of age from gun shows.  The bill was referred to committee.

Rob- will they prevent nursing mothers from attending gun shows?  How about children in snugglies?  You can take your 12 year old and his friends to the gun show, but they have to be left home alone if they are 11?  How does that promote child safety?

John- In an update to a DGU we talked about recently, the Owner of She’s a Pistol will re-open her store for training after her husband was killed in a shootout with some armed robbers a few weeks ago. Owner Rebecca Bieker is re-opening the training portion of her Shawnee, Kansas business and is not sure when the gun shop will re-open. “We will not stay down but will get back up and fight,” Bieker expressed through a spokesperson and on social media.

Rob- comment- I remember her comment after her husband was murdered in their shop.  ‘Don’t tell me guns are evil.  My husband just saved my life with a gun.’

John- In another update, we have some news from Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave.  11 anti-gun bills were killed late this week in separate Virginia house and senate subcommittees.  A handful of bad bills remain alive, and between the House and Senate and most of the pro-gun bills are still alive as of now.

John- North Dakota state representative Dwight Kiefert introduced a bill to allow some teachers to carry concealed at school.  The proposal would require teachers or staff to first undergo training with local law enforcement. Kiefert said the bill is for rural school districts where law enforcement is particularly far away from campus.  As you would expect, state education officials told the State House Education Committee that they oppose the bill.

Contrast the education officials response in North Dakota with the attitude we saw in rural Texas.  There the principal said everything that happens at home also happens at school, and his teachers can and must respond to all of it.

Rachel- Gun Quotes- All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities.  It is not that power corrupts, but that power is magnetic to the corruptible.  Author Frank Herbert

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs

This happened a few hours before sunrise in the Southgate area near Detroit, Michigan.  A 74-year-old man was woken up by the sound of breaking glass at the back of his home.  The homeowner looked inside his home and then headed back to his bedroom where his wife was still in bed.  Before the homeowner could call police, the intruder climbed through the back window and pointed a gun at the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed as well.  The homeowner shot the intruder.  The homeowner was not injured.  The intruder died at the scene.  Police took fingerprints of the dead intruder and a toxicology report is expected within a week.  The investigation remains open and the police do not expect charges against the homeowner.  The homeowner said, “It’s a very quiet neighborhood. This isn’t something that we normally have happen.”

This next story is from Blytheville, Arkansas. Three men wearing dark clothes and hoodies entered Dominos Pizza after 9pm.  They announced a robbery and demanded the money in the cash register.  Sarah Cherry is the store manager.  She was in the back of the store and came to the counter when she heard the shouts.  The robbers shot at Sarah as she came through the back door.  Sarah Cherry was armed.  She shot back.  The suspects ran.  No one was injured.  Police are looking for the suspects.

This story is from John’s neck of the woods in western North Carolina. A neighbor called John Painter Monday afternoon to tell him that a suspicious car was in his driveway. When he arrived home, he found the door pried open and Joel McMinn, 35, inside. Painter “grabbed his pistol”, ordered McMinn to the floor, and then called 9-1-1. When McDowell County deputies arrived, they charged McMinn with felony breaking and entering.  Richelle Bailey, the McDowell County Sheriff’s Dept. spokesperson said your top priority should be safety. If you can detain the suspect safely, that’s OK. “If not they should always just go away, go back to their car, go to a neighbor’s house, whatever, call 911, and let us deal with it.” She added that concealed carry permits were on the rise and that intruders should think twice.

Two University of Central Florida students are lucky that they live off campus. Nour Skargee (Scar-GEE)  and his girlfriend Sable Nehme (NAY-me) were the victims of violent home invaders on Wednesday. The intruders knocked on their apartment door and then forced their way in when Skargee opened the door. They forced him to the ground and put a gun to his head. The intruders then announced they were going to kill Ms. Nehme. She retreated to her bedroom where she retrieved a revolver.

“The only thing I could think was, ‘I need to figure out a way to protect us,'” Nehme said. “I grabbed the gun from out here in my closet. I pointed it at them, because he has busted through my door.” Both the intruders ran when they saw Ms. Nehme with the revolver. She said her father had given her the revolver for protection. Police later said the intruders’ weapon was actually a pellet gun.

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Gary- Listener e-mail discussion

1 )Chris wrote in and sent us a link to a story that says that a bill has been introduced in Congress that would make it a felony to own body armor.

Thanks for writing in Chris. I love it when the listeners send us links in email as it seems that they have our backs. And honestly with us not having a show for almost a week it can be easy for some stories to slip by us.

Honestly I think that Bill Clinton has more of a chance to be elected pope than that legislation getting through the House of Representatives, but we will keep our eyes on it.

Paul- 2 )George in Houston also wrote in

Hi Paul,
Enjoy the podcasts very much. I’m in Houston so am following the TX situation.
Since you are soliciting suggestions, I have a couple:

  1. When doing a news piece on a replica gun incident, you might get used to saying “the gun turned out to be a replica or fake, or pellet gun.” The antis never say this, implying that the police or whoever knew it was not a real gun or should have made sure first (how I don’t know, maybe by getting shot).
  1. One of your callers said he listened to a lot of podcasts, as do I. What I do now is speed up a replay (using DPC or digital pitch control) by using a Sony AX412 portable device. There are others, like the Sony BX140, which is cheaper. I am not an iPod person so I don’t know if that is available there. Many podcasts can be heard reasonably well at 120% or 130% speed. DPC seems to be relatively rare in the overall player universe, and you have to hunt it down. The Sonys I mentioned are no longer made but are available on ebay. the smaller BX140 can be had used for around $25.

George S.
Houston TX

rob- I’m a droid.

Paul- 3 ) We got this one in just as we were getting ready for today’s show
I recently discovered your podcast and find it very enlightening. There’s very little mindless banter and I do like the format. I am from Aberdeen, South Dakota but recently moved to rural Minnesota for work reasons. It is very exciting to hear this quality of work coming out of Sioux Falls. I thank you for your time and efforts and will continue listening. Sincerely

Paul- We do have 2 voice mails that have come in since we last had the full studio set up up and running, however it is REALLY difficult to play those on the air when I am sitting in the truck in Baltimore. I will be doing this dedicated run for another 1 to 2 weeks and then we will go back to recording at ABN on Sundays. As soon as we do I will get those voicemails on the air. But please don’t stop sending them! Call 605-215-1438 and we will air yours as well!

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob– I wrote an article called Rules for Them, and Different Rules for You if You Have a Gun.  I noticed how many of the anti-gun public figures have armed security.  What can I say?  I’m weak, and that post wrote itself after I saw the pictures.  By the way, most of the pictures their armed guards standing with Michael Bloomberg and Rosie O’Donnell have been scrubbed from the online image collections.  Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez for your Google-foo.

Walmart video man tackled- http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/22/video-legal-gun-owner-gets-tackled-florida-walmart-vigilante

Rob- I also have a second article coming out where I compare our first amendment rights with our second amendment rights.  What would it be like if the government treated our right to speak and to assemble the same way they treat our right to armed self-defense.  We would be offended if we needed a permit to speak. And once we got that permit, then there are further restrictions on the number of words we can speak at one time.  That is because the government can’t let us speak too fast or too loudly.  These speech restrictions only apply only to citizens. People who speak for the government can use all the words they want.  They speak very loud indeed.  The government says it is only regulating our right to speak, not infringing on it.

It sounds absurd when I describe these restrictions on our right to speak, but this is exactly the way we infringe on the right of self-defense today.  The article is called “Some Rights are More Equal than Others.”

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a couple of posts earlier this week on the confirmation hearings for Loretta Lynch. She is President Obama’s nominee to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. I pointed out that Operation Fast and Furious surfaced in the hearings starting with Chairman Chuck Grassley’s opening statements and continuing with testimony from reporter Sharyl Attkisson and law professor Jonathan Turley. Attkisson described how DOJ froze her out over her reporting. Turley, a liberal who voted for Obama, attacked the Administration’s use of executive privilege to withhold documents concerning Fast and Furious. He also attacked their refusal to prosecute Holder over his contempt citation by the House of Representatives.

Rob- did you read the DOJ Voxsplain their hacking.

(Paul)Before we go I do want to mention that we are working on some REALLY cool guests for upcoming shows. I have been exchanging texts, emails, phone calls and other forms of communication with Ben Branham, Mike Hughes with NextLevel Training (the makers of the SIRT pistols) Grant Cunningham, Ken Kowalski and Chaz Murray and others setting up future interviews.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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2 thoughts on “Episode 308

  1. Pingback: Polite Society Podcast Episode 308 Self-Defense News and DGU

  2. I think one of you mentioned that it took 90 days to get a CHP in North Carolina. That was the old statute; the new time period is 45 days from the time of application and (unfortunately) the receipt of records of mental health check. The statute is here:

    Go to section 14-415.15

    I’m not certain, but I think that NC HB 937 got this change made.

    Glad I discovered your podcast … it’s on my list of never miss.

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