Episode 300 JN2AS and David Cole


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, January 7th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone

Rob : I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk with Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole

Rachel, we also have news about the terrorist assault on a french newspaper.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Rob strap in

Rachel: and hang on! episode 300 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- It’s been way too long since I’ve been on a podcast! I was sick with a nasty virus all Christmas week, and then traveling all of the next week. I did manage to connect with a few more reps’ offices. I’m also working with Lone Star Gun Rights to prepare for an event at the State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13. More on that later…

John is recovering from elective surgery.  He is fine, but said the anesthesia left him drunk.

Rob- Rachel, we could start our bloopers for the year by recording John.

Shot show credentials came in.  I downloaded the shot show app on my phone.  a low-cost hotel in Vegas said they had low rates the week of the convention..but Circus Circus lies in their advertising.  I made plans to shoot IDPA on Saturday and instruct at a women on target class on Sunday morning.


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Seg 2- News

1-The French satire newspaper Charlie Hebdo was attacked this morning by three muslim gunmen.  The terrorists were armed.  They killed 12 people, and asked for many of the victims by name.  They also killed a french policeman.  Like the rest of the french victims, the policeman was not armed.  The french policeman begged for his life before he was shot dead.

Rob- That is what gun control looks like.

Some news outlets are asking why this happened and how they can stop it.  The answer is simple.  Based on their own statements, muslims will stop killing once the french are dead.  French gun laws only allow owning a firearm for sport.  The permit and registration process makes New Jersey look easy by comparison.  French criminals don’t obey french gun laws any more than New Jersey citizens obey New Jersey gun laws.

The real question is why this didn’t happen before.. and why it has not happened here in the United States.  The answer is it has happened here.

We’ve had muslims attacks in Moore, Oklahoma; West Orange, New Jersey; Seattle, Washington; Skyway, Washington; Port Bolivar, Texas; Richmond, California; Boston, Massachusetts; Ashtabula, Ohio; Marquette Park, Illinois; Warren, Michigan; Waltham, Massachusetts; Houston, Texas; and Buena Vista, New Jersey.  Those attacks took place in the last four years.  Our president called them “work place violence”.  There has been only one vigilante reprisal.

Why haven’t there been more attacks in the United States?


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2- An army psychologist was shot in a VA clinic.  This happened in El Paso, Texas.  The clinic is a gun-free zone.  The doctor had previously filed a threat complaint against the person who later shot him.  The murderer then took his own life.  The only recorded contact between the two men happened at a grocery store several months ago.  The murderer approached the doctor and said “I know what you did and I will take care of that.”

That is when the doctor filed his complaint.

Rob- This is a two-fer.  It is a failed restraining order AND a failed gun free zone.

3-We reported when Illinois reached 100,000 concealed carry license holders in its first year.  When the law was being debated, the press told us we’d see wild-west shoot outs in the streets as gun carrying idiots fought over parking places.  They never printed a retraction, but the media owes us one.

Champaign County Sheriff Dan Walsh asked his deputies to let him know if they had any problems with concealed carry holders.  “I’ve yet to get one.” Walsh said.

Urbana Police Chief Patrick Connolly said, “..the people who are law-abiding and take the time to go to class and register and understand the concept (of concealed carry),..are going to be smart enough to handle the firearm appropriately. So, I don’t think this was something out of the ordinary.”

Danville police Sgt. Josh Campbell agreed, saying “When you’re talking concealed-carry, it’s mostly your law-abiding citizens, who don’t cause problems anyway.”

Illinois is way behind the national average for concealed carry and comes in between Nebraska and Rhode Island by percentage.  For raw numbers, it is between Louisiana and West Virginia.

4-I love it when people put their personal convictions into action.  A gun show manager in Utah organized firearms safety classes during his gun shows.   Mitch McKinlay he did it because of the number of new shooters attending his shows. “We want to make sure and give the public the opportunity to obtain professional gun safety courses.  Everyone who owns a gun, both new and longtime gun owners, can use the information and techniques taught during the classes.  We should all take the time to learn or refresh ourselves about safe and proper techniques with gun ownership.”  The safety classes were offered at no additional cost.

Rob- I bet gun sales went UP once new shoppers know how to safely accept, inspect and hold a firearm.

5-If that was a person with conviction.  Here is a story from a politician who doesn’t have any convictions.  New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said New Jersey gun control laws “might be a little too strict.” That was last month.  Now that Christie considers running for president, he says New Jersey needs more gun laws.  He wants dealers and manufacturers to make gun records available for inspection to State Police.  They would have to notify state police if their security systems fail.  Also, the dealer could be required to move the guns to another licensed location if the security system of physical security of their shop is compromised.

Rob- That is wasted effort designed to get political attention.

6-We don’t want civilians to lose their guns to criminals.  We don’t want the police to lose their firearms either.  A ‘good Samaritan’ couple returned a missing rifle to Salem New Hampshire police.  The M4 semi-automatic rifle was lost earlier that day by a Salem police officer.

The officer had left the Colt M4 Commando 5.56mm semi-automatic rifle atop his cruiser’s trunk as he headed out for patrol Tuesday afternoon.  They assume the rifle fell off during his patrol.  The officer was not identified in the news release that asked for the public’s help in finding the rifle.  The officer left the rifle in its black canvas carrying bag on the trunk of his police car.  He discovered the loss at the end of his shift.

7-Michael Bloomberg and his group of anti-rights billionaires said Initiative 594 would stop gun-crime in the state of Washington.  They were wrong.  A man walked into a Tacoma bank wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt, a face mask, gloves, and carrying a gun.  He demanded money.  The teller gave him the money in her till, and the bank robber ran away.

Comment- You mean that criminals don’t obey gun laws.. not even in the evergreen state?

No, they don’t.  Not in the people’s republic of Takoma.

Comment- Don’t tell the Washington Post.  They blamed guns for the recent attacks on police.

Comment- but what else would you expect from the Post.

8-Second Amendment Foundation opposed Washington Initiative 954.  They filed an injunction a month after the bill took effect.  We already reported that the state’s law enforcement agencies publicly admitted they can’t interpret the law.  SAF says parts of the legislation, “are so vague that a person of ordinary intelligence cannot understand their scope.” Other sections of the bill violate the Second Amendment.  For example, the law prohibits Washington residents from loaning their firearm to out of state guests or hunters while traveling in Washington.. even between family members.

Alan Gottlieb, vice president of the group, said in a statement to the press that the legislation makes it “difficult if not impossible,” for officers to enforce it due to the uncertainty of whether a change of firearm possession was exempt or not.

Rob- Superstitious gun bigots don’t care.  They want to outlaw your tools of self-defense.

9-This is a test.  How many of you have used the website Gunfacts.info?  I’ve used them as a reliable reference for years.  They conducted their research on a shoestring budget that covered their website costs.  Now they are suffering from their own success.  A growing number of visitors use their site, so their hosting costs are going up.  Guy Smith is asking for sponsors.

comment- They are a worthy subject for  your year end giving.

Gun Quotes

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

The Texas Legislature convenes on Tuesday, January 13. This marks the beginning of an intense 5-month period for which Texas gun owners have been eagerly waiting. Most of the open carry groups in Texas can trace their origins back to the summer of 2013, just after the close of a very disappointing legislative session. For the past year and a half, they have been conducting open carry marches to raise awareness and keep the issue from dying. Now they have a chance to work for legislative action.

Justin Delosh is doing just that. Justin is a grassroots liberty activist, member of the steering committee for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government), director of Lone Star Gun Rights, working to pass Constitutional Carry in Texas. Justin is here to talk about an event at the Texas State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13.

Justin, we’ve been a part of many rallies and open carry marches near the Capitol. What’s different about this event?

Justin’s website is–

When and where does this event begin?

January 13. 8AM at the south gate of the capital.  We want to flood every office.

What can we expect to be doing at the event?

Show up and be counted.

Some people won’t be able to travel or get off work to join us in Austin on Tuesday. What can they do to help the cause?

Go to http://lonestargr.com/ and sign the petition.

What can we expect during the next 5 months of session?

What are the critical points of getting gun legislation passed, and how can listeners be ready to come help?

You’ve been working and planning for the session for almost two years now. How does it feel now that it’s actually here?

Tell me about the behind-the-scenes work that’s going on right now to help make this event happen.

Tell me about the people who are working to make a difference in Texas.

Recap Jan. event (when, where, what). How can listeners connect with you, support the cause, and find information?

Thank you, Justin.

Segment 4 DGUs

– Drug use isn’t a victimless crime.  A 20 year old man knocked on a door in Castaic, California.  He was high on heroin.  He asked the homeowner for 100 million dollars and then punched the homeowner.  The 63 year old homeowner had surgery a few weeks before.  His house guest had hernia surgery the week before.  They pinned the intruder to the floor until the homeowner grabbed his shotgun.  The police arrested 20 year old Salvador Medrano on suspicion of robbery and assault. Medrano is in the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station.

– 32 year old Erica Duran broke a window at a Sante Fe, New Mexico home.  The homeowner said Ms Duran broke in and then came at him with a piece of glass.  The homeowner shot at Duran.. and missed.  Then homeowner call police.  The police picked up Duran a short distance away from the break in.  Duran is linked to several other burglaries in the area.  Duran is charged with possession of drug paraphernalia, concealing identification, felony aggravated assault, criminal trespass, and criminal damage to property.

-This is how concealed carry works in Wisconsin.  A 20-year-old inmate from the Waukesha county jail walked away from a work detail.  Then he walked into a Walgreens Drugstore.  He asked the clerk for a carton of cigarettes and to speak to a manager.  The inmate, Bretzel told the manager that he had a gun and to give him the money in the register.  The manager opened the till and walked away with his arms in the air. Bretzel then walked into a Steak and Potato restaurant and handed the cashier clerk a similar note.  “Give me all the cash in the drawer or I will shoot you.”  The clerk then reached under the counter and pulled out her black 9mm Taurus handgun.  Bretzel fled and was picked up by police.  He faces is charged with armed robbery, attempted armed robbery, escape, and misdemeanor repeat bail jumping.

comment- What a difference a firearm makes.

-An East Texas CHL carrier found himself in a position that we all try to prepare for but hope to avoid. Fredy Neal, age 65, was at a RedBox kiosk at a Walgrens in Tyler, TX when he was approached by Michael Caldwell. Mr. Caldwell and his girlfriend had just come from IHOP, where they were asked to leave after causing a disturbance. Caldwell then proceeded to create another disturbance by starting an argument with Neal at the Redbox. The situation escalated. Neal pulled out his concealed handgun. Unable to keep Caldwell from assaulting him, he fired one shot into Caldwell’s chest. Witnesses confirmed that Caldwell initiated the altercation, and Neal has not been charged or held in custody. As is customary in Texas, the case will be presented to a grand jury.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

One will come out on Friday about crime in Washington State.  Are any of our listeners surprised that criminals don’t obey the new Washington gun laws?

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Rachel, will you join us this weekend?  Until the next time…  stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Rachel and we’ll see you down the road.

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