Episode 265 – Chris Petersen

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 30, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 265 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – I am looking for some help with the GP2AS. If you live south of the Canadian border, East of Montana, North of Oklahoma, and West of Illinois and are interested in helping us grow, please email me. I am mainly looking for people to help with the Facebook Site and our Website right now. Mostly just doing for the great plains what we do on the show here, just on a more regional level. I am looking for people from each state, and the more involved you are in the second amendment cause in your state the better. These are NOT paid positions, but if you ask nice I MIGHT be able to get you into the GRPC at no charge. You would have to pay for your own room and get yourself there though.

John – My wife and I took a “road trip” today to Greenville, SC to tour the recently opened Cabela’s store. While not as big as some, at 105,000 sq. ft. it was plenty big. I saw a lot of nice firearms in their Gun Library. What I didn’t see in the store was .22 LR rifle ammo.

Rob- Only work and work at home. Nothing gun related. I need to buy ammunition.

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Seg 2- News


Paul – It should surprise no one that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey has publicly stated that he doesn’t plan on intervening in the Shaneen Allen case until it has been completely adjudicated.  Christie is quoted as having said “I don’t like to intervene in the judicial process until the judicial process has an opportunity to work its way through,” he said. “I think then and only then is it the appropriate time for a governor to consider action.”  My own editorial comment is that now isn’t the time to let up. Let’s keep pouring the pressure on Christie and the other people who have bearing on this case. The number for the Governor’s office is 609- 292-6000.

John Comment- Ms. Allen’s lawyers originally hoped to raise about 25 thousand dollars through donations.  They raised that, and more.  There are also many thousands of dollars raised to put up billboards calling out the local prosecutor and asking why the Atlantic County Attorney chose to prosecute a single black mom who had no prior convictions.  She could serve up to 11 and a half years in state prison.

You can donate at SAF.org too.

Rob -In a continuation of the theme we have had over the last few episodes, there is a positive news story in what is usually termed the mainstream media that appeared recently. An article appeared on Time.com recently that advocated teaching your children to shoot.  What is even more amazing is that this appeared AFTER news broke about a shooting instructor who lost his life in a tragic incident with a child shooting a full auto uzi recently, in fact it is mentioned right at the beginning of the article. The story is well written and worth a read.

John -Jacob Smith is a junior at the University of South Carolina.  He carries an empty gun holster around the campus as a political protest and he’s not alone. Smith belongs to USC Students for Concealed Carry.  Unfortunately there is a minor crime wave on campus to fuel their cause.  Less than a week ago, the university says a student was held at gunpoint at the Horseshoe, taken to an East Quad dorm, and forced to give the suspect money. Over the weekend, a gunman was reportedly spotted near the Russell House. Most recently, a 19-year-old was the victim of a strong-armed robbery.  University President Harris Pastides has promised more patrols of uniformed and plain-clothed officers as well as more security cameras and call boxes on campus.  However, Jacob Smith, who is also in the US Navy, proposes another solution.  Smith wants the law changed so students could defend themselves.


Rob – July 1st was the first day that Idaho citizens with an enhanced permit could carry concealed on the campus of Boise State University.   Students have started to show some interest in taking classes to obtain the enhanced license necessary to carry on campus.  Idaho has liberal carry restrictions for an ordinary concealed carry license.  Course work for the enhanced license covers legal education and range time.

Paul Comment- no streets running red with blood?
Rob Comment- not a drop.

Paul- A petition is being circulated that piqued my interest a group of small business drivers is circulating a petition that drivers be able to carry in order to defend themselves. It says in part that the current patchwork of laws from state to state interferes with interstate commerce. It’s an interesting take. I don’t believe that it has much of a chance until next year at least, depending on the elections this fall, however it is worth a look. Thanks to Greg in Bremerton for sending this one in.

John- Voters in Castle Rock, Colorado voted to take gun restrictions out of the hands of politicians and appointed city managers.  The votes were finally counted in the special election, and now the voters have the authority to decide if guns are welcome on city property.  From now on, only a public vote can enact a ban on open carry in Castle Rock.

Rob- And that is how it should be. It should be citizens and not bureaucrats or politicians making the decision.

Rob- Talking about votes, California legislators defeated an ammunition registration bill by the slimmest of margins. The final vote on California bill SB53 was a tie, so the bill is dead for this year.  You would need your ammunition buyers ID card to buy ammunition.  It would have required a fingerprint check to buy ammunition.  The bill would have made it illegal to buy ammunition online.  You could be arrested for picking up my ammunition from the ground at the range.

Rob- I reached out to some of the legislators, so we might get to hear from them next episode.


John –  A tragedy happened in Omaha this week when a member of the film crew for the television show “Cops” died after being shot while filming for the show this week. Bryce Dion, a 38 year old sound engineer for the show was fatally shot while helping to film a police response to what appeared to be an armed robbery at a Wendy’s restaurant. The Omaha World Herald reported that film crews for the popular TV show wear bullet resistant vests while filming. Unfortunately a vest wasn’t enough to stop the tragedy this time.

Paul- You might remember that outdoor signs promoting firearms safety were taken down by the city of Phoenix.  Later the city lost a court case against them for violating free speech rights of Train Me Arizona.   Here is a similar situation in Washington, DC.  Project Child Safe wanted to run advertisements at major airports across the country.  The ads advocated responsible gun ownership and said, “Own It? Respect it. Secure it.”  The advertisements went up in Hartford-Springfield, Las Vegas, Little Rock, Providence and St. Louis. But Reagan National airport in Arlington, Virginia refused the advertisements.

Rob Comment- Free speech for me, but not for thee, in DC?
Paul- Comment- You’re a poet.
John- Comment- the second amendment is too political for DC?

Rob- Also in Washington DC, there was an anti-regulation article in the conservative Washington Times.  The article said that gun control is really about control, rather than about guns or the second amendment.  “(The origin of gun control) is actually the statist belief in big government. Too many activists and politicians crave the power by controlling people’s lives to the nth degree. They find fulfillment in believing that they are improving society by making better decisions than ordinary people would make.  It’s the ultimate loss of freedom when your personal safety — and your family’s — must be entrusted totally to government. Millions of Americans are saying they don’t trust government to protect them. That is why they insist upon their right of self-defense, free of government threats to restrict or remove it.”  The article is by former congressman Ernest Istook.

Paul Comment- Congressman Istook gets it!
John Comment- Think the congressman will be a the Gun Rights Policy Conference later this month?

Paul – The Clearview, Colorado Library is being sued.  The library asked Erika Sattler to leave the library after another library patron spotted the her carrying a handgun complained to a library staff member.  Erika Sattler has a concealed carry permit, but the library has a policy prohibiting weapons of any kind except those carried by law enforcement.  Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the gun-rights lobby that was instrumental in recalling two state senators last year, is bringing the suit against the library.

Rob Comment-  The smell of bigotry is strong in the Clearview Library.

John- There are some 23 thousand firearms regulations in the United States.  Law Professor Eugene Volokh came up with a list of the laws he thought were both abusive and vulnerable to legal challenge.  The restrictions on concealed carry in public topped his list.  They affect 50 million people in California, Washington DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island.

Paul -Comment- we have our work cut out for us.

Rob- Our friends in Montana can use our help.  Gary Marbut is running for the Montana House of Representatives.  He is no stranger to Montana politics.  Gary was President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, and helped enact 64 pro-gun bills in the past 30 years. Gary was named by SAF as the Grassroots Activist of the Year, not once, but twice.  Gary has vowed to not take any money from any special interest groups, only from individual contributors. He needs your donation to mount an effective campaign.

John Comment- until the billionaires for liberty start spending, It is up to us little guys to get the job done.

John- Statistics appear to be on our side again in Illinois, or more specifically the windy city. The Blaze reports that crime rates year to year are appearing to drop even though not one single tactic has changed in policing policies during the same period. Both robberies and burglaries are down 20 percent. The only change according to The Blaze is concealed carry licenses over 83,000 licenses have been applied for, and over 68,000 have been granted in the state since January.

Rob- The chicago cops gave up on prosecuting some crime in high crime areas.  They saved police effort for the well-to-do areas of the city.

Paul – Comment: Please remember that early this year a similar story appeared and we cautioned you not to become too optimistic and that it had been a horrifically cold and brutal winter. Sure enough this summer we are seeing murders and shootings up again.Are the numbers good news, yes. However before we claim any sort of victory other than individual DGU’s lets get a few years of numbers.

Rob- All of us need to follow the four safety rules.  All of us, all the time.  A U S Border Patrol officer had a negligent discharge at their headquarters in Marfa, Texas.  Agents and staff searched the El Cosmico hotel and campground next to the headquarters looking for damage.  The agency said the negligent discharge took place during a training session.

John Comment- So federal agents don’t have super powers with a firearm?
Rob Comment- Nope.

John Gun Quotes
“It is the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made.” – Roger Sherman of CT, 1790, during a speech before the US House of Reps. Sherman was a signatory to Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution.

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interview with Chris Petersen of PTR industries.
Segment 4 DGUs

Rob -A man trying to rob a Dairy Queen on the south side of Albuquerque, New Mexico.   He threatened the cashier with a gun through the drive through window and demanded money from the till.  The cashier gave him the money and then ducked behind the counter. The man then asked for more money. A different employee fired at the robber five times.  The thief was struck at least once and died after being transported to University of New Mexico Hospital.  No restaurant employees were injured during the incident.  No no other suspects are at large.  Police do not expect to file charges against the store employee for firing in self-defense.

Paul- A strange DGU out of Houston, A homeowner had had his home broken into 4 years ago and he stated was just getting his sense of security back. Then earlier this week he is in bed and the doorbell rings and rings and rings. Then come loud knocks at the door, and someone trying to kick the door in. The homeowner was on the phone with 911 and had his handgun. When the bad guy broke in the homeowner ordered him to leave and then to stop advancing. when the intruder did neither the homeowner shot the intruder. The intruder falls down immediately begins crying, begging for his life and asking to call his girlfriend. At last report he was in the hospital, no word on whether he was able to call his girlfriend.

John- The Indianapolis Star reports that Indianapolis metropolitan police are investigating an early morning armed robbery in which they say the homeowner fought back and a suspect was shot.  Two or three men were trying to break into the home at about 3 in the morning. The homeowner struggled with the men over a gun and shot one of the suspects.  A woman and small child inside the home at the time were not hurt.  There were bullet holes in the home’s front door and blood on the front porch and driveway.  A short time later, a man with gunshot wounds in the leg and back showed up at the Circle K gas station and was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.

Paul – Comment it doesn’t say whether the gun belonged to the homeowner or the bad guy. It is far easier to stop a bad guy if you use your own gun rather than trying to take the bad guy’s gun from him. Also if this is a case of the bad guys bringing the gun in it kind of “Shoots holes” in the theory that if you have a gun the bad guy will just take it away from you and shoot you with it.

John – As Paul often says, nothing good happens after midnight. That was the case early Friday morning in Darlington County, SC where two armed home invaders forced their way into a home just after midnight. One beat a female on the head and hit an 11 y.o. boy several times in the face while his confederate held a second woman at gun point. Unbeknownst to the home invaders, there was a male resident asleep in another area of the house who awoke and armed himself with a rifle before checking out the commotion. He exchanged fire with the home invaders. They fled but not before killing the family dog. However, Marquis Benjamin, 25, was found dead about 75 yards from the house. Deputies later picked up the other home invader, Brandon Lunn, some time later and have charged him with multiple felonies. Sheriff Wayne Byrd said he doesn’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner. ““It’s more a matter of defending yourself, defending your family. Providing for the protection of your own life and your own family’s life. And their well-being.”

There is no word on the condition of either the woman or boy that was assaulted at this time.

Rob- I suspect he intruder will be charged with murder.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- TJ emailed this in.

Hey Paul,
You guys have probably solved it by now, but here’s proof that you could get double the rounds of a 1911 in a 40. XDm holds 16. So, that is double. If you add the + 1, it would throw it off the “Double” claim a little, but it would still be the same as a 1911 with 1 reload.
Or, you could go with the same logic that it seemed like you were going for and use a 9mm (since it’s still mostly the same) and have 19+1 in the XDm.
Thanks Paul,


Rob- Bob Main said you have to marry the platform

Paul-  Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I live in San Diego County.  We have a May Issue Sheriff. I reported on the number of disarmed victims in San Diego County.  The article went out on ClashDaily, Ammoland and on my blog.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.