Episode 254 – Kevin Starrett, Luke Wagner and Kyle Coplen

Introduction- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 23rd 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation.
I’m Rob Morse. We will talk with Luke Wagner of the Colorado Second Amendment Association.
Rachel: We have an update from Kyle Coplen of the Armed Citizen Project in addition to our usual news and DGUs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 254 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve missed the last two podcasts so I guess I have some catching up to do. Last Wednesday, I got to tour PTR Industries plant in Aynor, South Carolina. They make the PTR-91 rifle. It is the civilian version of the HK G-3. I was able to interview Chris Petersen of PTR for a later episode. I also got to shoot the PTR-32 Gen 1 Plus in 7.62×39. In other news, Barb and I got married. If you read my blog, you may have heard me refer to the Complementary Spouse. Barb is more than a complimentary spouse now.

Rachel- I’ve had a houseful this past week and have spent most of my time keeping meals rolling for all my guests and taking care of the kids, but still found some time for gunpowder and lead. Instructed an Appleseed shoot in Waco last Saturday because my kid dragged me (proud of that kid!) and one of the participants let me shoot his K31. Loved it. =)

Rob- Dry practice. Planning to shoot IDPA this Saturday

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Seg 2- NewsNews_Partner_white

Rob- Let’s start with some good news for the right of self-defense.  Philadelphia lost a large court case because they infringed on the rights of legal gun owners.  The city was ordered to pay 1.42 million dollars as well as the costs of administering the legal settlement.  The settlement runs to 11 pages.  Here are some of the highlights-

  • Philadelphia agrees not to disclose License to carry firearms applicant information either electronically or in-person.
  • The police department agrees to annual training for the License and Inspection Board of Review, and the Gun Permit Unit.
  • The city agreed to post a copy of the application process on their website.  This includes license applications and the appeals process.  The city must also submit a copy of the license appeals process to anyone who has their license denied or revoked.
  • The city no longer requires or contacts character references from license applicants.
  • The city will not ask if applicants already own a firearm.
  • The city will not confiscate a license or a firearm from a licensee unless there is probable cause that they are needed as evidence of a crime. If they are confiscated, then the officer must immediately provide a property receipt, which shall include the pertinent information for their return.

That is a good day for civil rights in Philadelphia.

The decision must irritate the Pennsylvania attorney general, and that is a good thing too.

Rachel- I don’t know the whole back story on this positive turn of events, but I know one thing: it happened because somebody got off the couch and did something.

Rachel-This last weekend, 40 people were shot and 4 were killed in the gun control paradise of Chicago.  Chicago politicians blame weak gun laws, but the real cause are the drug gangs who feed on social policies that resulted in broken families and economic policies that destroyed jobs.  Chicago politicians have company.

Rob- Weekend death toll in ny?  I called the new york deputy commissioner of public information and spoke to his office.  I also sent them an e-mail request for information about this weekend’s statistics.

John- This is an election year, so some ridiculous bills get passed and some reasonable bills never make it to a vote in committee.  A recent case is the rider to a congressional bill written by Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.  Massie is optimistic about Senate support for the language he attached that would dismantle the local gun laws in the District of Columbia.  The congressman is realistic enough to doubt the measure will ever reach the Senate floor for a vote.  Quote “Twenty rank-and-file Democrats in the House voted for the amendment, and I know Democrats in the Senate would vote for the amendment.. but I suspect Harry Reid will do everything he can to prevent that vote from happening.”  Senate majority leader Harry Reid did not respond to questions about Massie’s pro-gun proposal.  Neither did some of the vulnerable Democrat senators from conservative states, Senators such as Alaska’s Mark Begich, Louisiana’s Mary L. Landrieu, and NC’s Kay Hagan.  Massie’s amendment would likely have a Senate sponsor in Kentucky Republican Rand Paul.

Rachel- Here’s an issue that divides even strong gun rights supporters. A man open carrying a gun in a south Kansas City Walmart store alarmed shoppers early Monday.  Yes, shoppers were frightened even though open carry is legal.  A customer in the store called police to report the man.  The customer also reported the incident to the store manager. The store manager then asked the armed shopper to take his gun back to his car.  The gun owners was doing that when the police arrived. Kevin Jamison of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance said that while open carry is legal, it doesn’t mean it’s always a good idea.

Rob- Friends, this is not how you convince the public that gun owners are trustworthy.  In fact, it is the opposite.  Your ounce of good intentions are outweighed by the ton of bad press.  Let me say this again.  It doesn’t matter how you see open carry; it matters how your audience sees open carry.  In the battle for hearts and minds, your audience gets a vote and you don’t, because it is their opinion we’re trying to change.

Rachel’s reply-  We are all ambassadors all the time.

John- The first Tuesday in August is almost here!  You might remember that Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed a number of pro-gun bills after the legislative session passed.  There was also a proposed state constitutional amendment placed on the Missouri ballot.  The amendment added language protecting ammunition and accessories typical to the normal function of our firearms.  The amendment recently survived a challenge in the state supreme court, so Missouri voters may have a say in the right to bear arms after all.  The amendment gets voted on in the August 5th election.  Missouri gun owners, and their friends, get active.

Rachel- We reported several personal attacks at Target department stores since the company asked customers and staff to disarm.  Here is the first reported murder on Target property since their disarmament press release.  The disarmed victim was part of a night cleaning crew.  The victim was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died.  The assailant was a known gang member and later tested positive for being high on bath salts.

Rob- I hate it when a gun free zone fails and people die.

John – Beretta USA announced on Tuesday that they plan to move ALL production to their new plant in Tennessee. Previously, the new plant in Gallatin, TN was only intended for new production lines. Beretta USA said the reason for this was due to Maryland passing such draconian gun laws in 2013 and the anticipation that it will only get worse. The production of the Army’s M9 pistol will continue until all current orders are filled. They will be leaving their administrative, executive, and import offices in their Accokeek, Maryland location.

Rob- The polite society podcast is a little late in getting out the news, but I love giving credit when law enforcement gets it right.  In Ohio, the Union Township Police Department will host a Gun Safety Class for children from ages six through 13.  The two hour training class starts at 10 am on Saturday, July 19.  The class covers the nomenclature and safe handling of handguns, shotguns and rifles.  The class does not include any live fire training.  Donuts, juice and coffee will be provided.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Professor Mike Adams

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

  • News from Kyle Coplen at the Armed Citizen Project
  • Interview with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation by skype at 5:30 pacific!
  • Interview with Luke Wagner from Colorado Second Amendment Association

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Bad choices sometimes have a happy ending, but there might be more to this story.  This home break in occurred in Carrick, Pennsylvania.  It was 2AM when two men fired through the front door of an apartment building and forced their way inside.  A 19 year old man and a 17 year old woman were in the building at the time.  The intruders forced the man into side bedroom.. the side bedroom where the homeowner kept a loaded shotgun.  Both intruders were shot.  One died at the scene.  The second intruder fell down the steps and was taken to UPMC Mercy hospital. His condition is unknown.

Rob- I hear Rachel’s comment, carry or hope you are lucky and guess correctly.

John- Sometimes there is no good solution.  40 year old John Mapp attacked his 38 year old sister.  The crime took place around 3:40 AM in West Philadelphia.   Mapp then attacked his 34 year old younger brother.  The younger brother is a paraplegic, but he remained physically strong enough to pull out his handgun and protect himself.  He shot his older brother once in the chest.   The older man was taken by police to the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania where he was pronounced dead. The sister was also taken to the same hospital for her injuries.

Rachel- There are millions physically disabled individuals who are attacked each year.  Some of the disabled can defend themselves.

Rob- Phyliss Law’s home had been broken into before.  That is why some of the windows were already boarded up in this Prichard, Alabama home.   Phyliss heard the thieves pry open one of her windows.  This time she told her granddaughter to hide in the closet.  The 63 year old grandmother wanted the the thieves to leave, but they turned on the lights and began to inventory her home.. again.  This time she was armed with a 9mm handgun.  She fired when one of the thief entered her back bedroom.  She fired again and one thief was stuck in the head.  Despite his wound, both thieves were able to flee.   Later, when the police arrived, they briefly handcuffed Phyliss Law.  She was released on the scene.  The juvenile victim and his accomplice were arrested by police.  The wounded teen survived his wounds.

Rob- Now Phyliss keeps her shotgun near her bedroom door.

Rachel- Here is a good Samaritan story from Hubertus, Wisconsin.  An innocent man was walking his dog when three Pit Bulls escaped from their backyard and charged at him. Dennis Williams lives nearby, and heard the victim scream for help. Williams saw the attack through his window and ran to help.  He tried to stop the attacking dogs with a baseball bat.  Quote “It was one of the worst things I’ve ever witnessed. The dogs were on top of the man and his dog. They were not going to stop. I first tried hitting the Pit Bulls with a baseball bat, but they wouldn’t relent. There was blood all over the ground.”  Close quote.  Williams drew his handgun and killed one of the Pitt Bulls. The other dogs then backed-away.  The man and dog who were attacked required treatment for severe bite and puncture wounds.

We say children are not trusted with firearms, yet we trust these same children to watch their siblings.

John- This San Antonio, Texas homeowner had been robbed before.  This time a 20 year old man broke into the home of a 70 year old man who was ready for him.  After the intruder broke into through a back window, the 70-year-old homeowner used his handgun to shoot the intruder three times in the leg.  Paramedics transported the intruder to the hospital, and he is expected to survive.  The homeowner was not expected to face charges, police said.

Rob-  Two home invaders in Jackson, Mississippi thought 2:30am on a Friday morning was a good time for a robbery. They thought wrong. Jonquez Porter, 19, is now dead and his accomplice Romelo Porter suffered a wound to the leg as the homeowner fought back. Police have not identified the homeowner but had this to say about the incident:

“”You’re entitled to have a weapon in your home and certainly you’re entitled to defend yourself and your home. Apparently, from all we know, this is what this homeowner did,” (Asst Police Chief Lee) Vance said. “The deceased suffered the consequences that come sometimes when you break into somebody’s house.”

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
John- this in from a listener

Hey guys,
Love the show, and heard you are looking for feedback on what works/doesn’t work. I want to say my favorite parts are the DGU discussions because they give me examples to provide to others who do not yet appreciate the necessity of the right to own and carry a firearm.

Thanks for all your work.
Zach Esposito

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes.Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway, Go to Cornered Cat dot com for info on her classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Sheriff Gore is my sheriff and I reported on the victims in his county.

Rachel- Bob Mayne will be on our Saturday show. Bob and Ben Branam will also be doing a training class in Sioux Falls, SD in the spring of 2015. Tune in to this weekend’s show for details.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.