Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.
John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.
I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.
Seg 2- News
Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.
This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.
Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.
I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League. Connecticut deserves our support.
1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.
The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain, Thomas and Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.
Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court. There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)
2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable. Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first. Then Yvonne looked closer. “It was July 26, 2016. I might be dead by 2016, she said. By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.
3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College. There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school. That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware. The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car. Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school. Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk. The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.
4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds. These teachers took advantage of it. They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety. Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.
Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.
5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed. Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave. There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month. Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law! That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.
6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again. Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles. The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”. This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles. Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.” Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”. The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it. We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.
Rob has comments. I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?
John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately, citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese
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Seg 3 Interview with George Hill
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Segment 4 DGUs
-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.
(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)
-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California. They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools. An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived. Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence. Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism. His bail was set at $80,000.
(Paul has a comment on this one too)
-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead. A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims. They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables. The couple fought back instead. The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion. The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover. The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.
Rob’s comments- Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun? Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.
We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:
In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.
Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”
Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.
Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.
Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)
Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.
Rob – Jeremy from Email:
Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing. Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive. That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work. That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed. That is in contrast to your wonderful show. Keep it up!
John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email
How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list? WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.) I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west. Too cool.
Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there. The mix of personalities is great.
Keep it up, guys.
Rick in Wyoming. (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming. I’m a truck driver.)
Paul – James emailed this in:
I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:
All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline. With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor. We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.
The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable. The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.
HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.
HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19. As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.
HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.
HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.
HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.
HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.
HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.
HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.
HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.
SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.
SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.
SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.
The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.
HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.
SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.
As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts. Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.
Don’t forget! Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.
These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.
AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .
John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong. Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.
Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.
John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438
Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.
John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.
Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.
Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/ That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia. They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!
Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.
John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,
Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.