Episode 219 – Kyle Bacon

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 12th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 219 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
John: Not much on the shooting front from me as I’m still waylaid with my ankle. I did register for my media credentials to the NRA Annual Meeting.
Rachel: Participated in the CATI-TX open carry march in downtown Austin. We did it today since the SWSX festival is going on right now. Great turn-out and lots of positive interaction – except with a Canadian gun rights activist. Also preparing to staff a booth at the A Girl And A Gun conference next week – anyone coming?
Rob: Training has to be fun, so I’m setting up a dry-practice, and dinner evening with friends. I’m also writing my next article.
Paul: Doing the firearms arm and disarm tango as I cross state lines.
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Seg 2- News

Rob- In California, the right to carry a firearm in public remains tangled in the ninth circuit court. Some counties issue a license, and some don’t. Desert Hot Springs is a town of about 30 thousand in the California Desert. The town is about 100 miles east of Los Angeles, but miles away in attitude. The chief of police in Desert Hot Springs understands the problem facing citizens. In fact, he came out for citizen self-defense. Police Chief Dan Bressler said, “There are a lot of gang members running around the Coachella Valley who are armed… I think it’s time for us to issue concealed weapons licenses to the law-abiding people of this city. I believe this will deter crime and help people feel safer.”

Thank you, Chief Bressler. You sound like the Chief in Detroit and the Sheriff of Milwaukee, so you are not alone.

Rachel- Come And Take It Texas joined the scene at the South By Southwest festival in downtown Austin today. Around 100 peaceful, law-abiding open carry activists carried their long guns up and down the streets among performing bands, food stands, crowds of festival attendees (including international tourists), and hordes of keenly interested media. CATI-TX has a great track record of conducting safe, friendly, educational walks in their mission to educate the public on their rights to carry, their responsibility to stand up for liberty and be prepared for their own defense, and the crime-stopping effect of open carrying.  If you’re in Texas, check out your local chapter at www.catitx.com. [shoutout to whiskey5a & CWW]

Rob- Is anyone else tired of schools with “zero tolerance” policies?  I think it is time we start a zero tolerance of stupidity policy!  This school south of Cleveland flunked the stupid test.  18 year old Jordan Wiser is not on a college track, but I think he is squared away.  He attended Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio.  He has already completed a law enforcement course, and received certificates for Terror Defense and Terror Recognition from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.  He has a certificate as an Emergency Vehicle Operator.  He wanted to join the military and then become an EMT/Firefighter.

That was until he posted a video about playing Airsoft on Youtube.  School officials searched Jordan and demanded his car keys.  He was arrested on felony charges and jailed for 13 days because of the small pocket knife tied to his EMT vest kept in the trunk of his car.

My god but these school administrators need to be fired.  Wake up, Ohio!

Rachel- Last week was Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day, and also the week the Illinois State Police sent out the first concealed carry licenses.  Well I was shocked at the news.  You see,   ten people were shot in Chicago this weekend, and not one of the shooters was a ccw holder.

How can that be?  Where is the blood flowing in the streets?  We were told that Chicago would become the wild west once Illinois had concealed carry.  I guess the news media and the Chicago police chief lied to us.  Illinois license holders are honest citizens.  Darn it.. another broken promise.  If you can’t trust the chief of police and the chicago papers, then who can you trust?

John-The NYPD’s sergeants union believes off-duty cops should be allowed to carry guns in NFL stadiums – and is planning legal action to get the rules changed. League officials notified team owners in September to no longer allow members of law enforcement who are not on the clock to pack heat at games. There are two exemptions – the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans – which convinced the league that Texas gun laws supersede NFL policy, sources said. In those venues, off-duty cops carrying weapons notify officials where they’re sitting – and they’re allowed admittance… http://nypost.com/2014/03/05/nypd-union-challenging-nfls-gun-ban-in-stadiums/

Rachel- Gun owners now will be able to openly carry firearms in El Paso County, Colorado parks. The Board of County Commissioners unanimously changed the rules that had banned open carry.  While the rule change allows open carry, it forbids the discharge of guns, fireworks or explosive device in a county park. Multiple board members also said they did not want to incriminate law-abiding citizens who simply want to defend themselves.

It sounds like Colorado Springs is way more than 100 miles from Boulder.

John- Global Digital Solutions, Inc. – GDSI – which is a penny stock trading on the NASDAQ OTC Bulletin Board made an unsolicited bid to buy Remington Outdoor Company aka the Freedom Group for a little over $1 billion. GDSI is involved in the so-called smart gun technology field and wants to apply their RFID and Wifi technology to guns. GDSI has a market cap of $65 million and a closing stock price today of 86 cents, up 6 cents.  Remington’s response? They called it “attention seeking in it’s worst form”. One side note is that former Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown who may have designs on running for the Senate from NH is a board member.

Rob- A few episodes ago, we reported on the Euharlee, Georgia police officer who shot and killed a teenager when the teenager answered his door carrying a Nintendo game controller.  Well Officer Beth Gatny has a troubled history.   It appears she was fired from her previous law enforcement job.  She sought disability and her claim was rejected because her claim was “not medically supported”.  She was terminated for not showing up to work.  Also, Officer Gatny shot at a suspect opening his backpack because Officer Gatny thought he was going for a gun.  The suspect was not armed, and her partner on the scene said there was no reason to think otherwise.

I hope the Euharlee, Georgia insurance policy is paid up, because this is going to be expensive.

Gun Quotes
Rick Ector has been on our show. He runs Rick’s Firearms Academy of Detroit and has some strong opinions on armed civilians living in big cities. I quote, “If anyone claims to be a civil rights activist and hates guns, he is deluded. Gun rights are civil rights.” Thank you, Rick.

Our interview segment is with with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast. Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

John:  Douglas County [NE] Attorney Don Kleine said no charges will be filed against a homeowner who fatally shot a 19-year-old man investigators said broke into the residence Saturday night… Authorities on Monday said Ronald Green, 66, was watching TV when he was startled by the sound of his front door flying open. Ramon R. Matlock entered the home, and Green ran to a bedroom to retrieve a revolver, authorities said. Matlock swung at Green, and Green fired a shot into Matlock’s chest and another into his lower back, authorities said. Authorities said Matlock ran out the door, but only got as far as the front yard. The Omaha Fire Department pronounced Matlock dead at the scene. Kleine said Green has been cooperating with authorities, even turning over the firearm, which is properly registered to him. Kleine deemed the shooting justified, saying that Green was fearful for his life, wasn’t the one to provoke the incident and had no place to go. Matlock’s family says the incident is a misunderstanding and that the 19-year-old wouldn’t have broken into someone else’s house without a reason.

Rachel: This is from Texas so I get to tell you about it. Last week in Houston, a husband and wife experienced a worst-case scenario that we all hope and pray we will never have to face – but thankfully, this husband was well-prepared and the story has a happy ending. Saturday night, just before midnight, the couple was confronted in a Houston parking lot by a man with a gun who demanded their belongings and cash. Acting in self defense, the husband pulled out his own gun. The result was a dead would-be criminal and an unharmed husband and wife. The case will reportedly be referred to a grand jury, but homicide detectives do not believe any charges will be filed.

Rob: Ken Guffey was in the right place at the right time, and it wasn’t all luck.  After work and on his way home, Ken called his 83 year old mother. They were talking when he heard her scream and drop the phone.  Ken was a few minutes away and entered his mom’s house with his gun drawn.  He had to fight with the intruder who threatened his mother with a shovel.  Guffey was sitting on the intruder and had a gun to the intruder’s head when police arrived.  Guffey’s mother had a heart attack while all this happened and she is recovering at the hospital.  The suspect is in custody of the Seymour, Tennessee police, but hasn’t been charged.

Rachel: A burglary suspect was shot multiple times by the homeowner, according to the Lawrence County, Ohio Sheriff’s Department. On Friday afternoon, Joseph F. Willis forced his way into a home along County Road 19 near the Kitts Hill area of Lawrence County. Investigators say during the burglary, the homeowner was in the house and had a gun. He shot at Willis multiple times, hitting him in the cheek and stomach. Willis left the house and crashed his car into a ditch about half a mile from the home. He was flown to Cabell Huntington Hospital… No charges have been filed against the homeowner. Neighbor Julie Webb says the Kitts Hill Neighborhood Watch program has been growing following numerous home break-ins in the area, and more and more neighbors have been arming themselves. She hopes this homeowner’s actions send a clear message.

Paul – An example of what NOT to do is one of our DGU’s tonight, Police in Jacksonville Alabama say that a Father-in-Law of a neighbor noticed a strange car parked at a house on Tuesday afternoon and approached the car to investigate. The car then drove off. He and one other man then entered the house and confronted a man wearing a bandana. Officers say that one of the men who confronted the bandana wearing suspect fired a shot. the suspect fled and has not been caught.

There isn’t a lot more information on this but I am begging and pleading with our listeners that unless there is a DAMN good reason to enter a house that may have been the target of a crime PLEASE DONT!!!. You put yourself in grave risk, and there is nothing good that can come of it. Call the police, watch the house and be a good witness. Let the police secure the house. Unless you are a sworn officer and have training you should not be going in, and they aren’t going in without communications and backup.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Thanks to Curtis for that tips and tricks segment on training versus concealed carry firearms.
We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

This is our listener e-mail segment
Rob: We reported on a similar news story last episode, but listener Troy Starkey found this event for us.  Members of the Lone Oak First Baptist Church attracted over a thousand people for their Second Amendment Dinner and Celebration.  Besides providing a steak dinner, the Church raffled off 25 hunting rifles and shotguns.  Guns aren’t that scary.  One of the church members said “Evangelism is risk and we’re taking that risk to share the gospel.”  Most of the complaints were from people who read about the event online and lived out of state.  The dinner and raffle were held in cooperation with the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
Thanks, Troy!

Rachel- Listener Chris G sent in this link to our Facebook page: It seems that some in Michigan feel that it is good policy to make armed people turn their backs on criminals who have already shown that they have no respect for the law and little respect for human life. It sounds like it is time for us to get in touch with Rick Ector again and find out if this thing actually has a chance of passing in Michigan.

John: Also in our mailbag, Greg from Bremmerton sent a link about a New York City raid that seems to have a few issues. It seems that the Department of Homeland Security was lending a helping hand to the NYPD this past week by providing vehicles and personnel. Apparently the snipers providing cover for this raid did not mind using the optics on their weapons in lieu of binoculars, thereby pointing the rifles at innocent people in adjoining buildings, understandably upsetting those who were just targeted. A few things about this story, first I was not able to find any substantiation outside of the linked story and for me that makes it dubious. Second is that if the accounts in the story are true it seems that either the NYPD or Homeland Security snipers need to go back to basic firearms training and learn Rule #2.

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Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.


Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.


Rachel: A Girl & A Gun is holding its national conference in Waco (right between Austin and Dallas) next week, March 20-23. It will include vendors (like me), speakers’ sessions, and live-fire training at a range. Be sure to come see me if you’ll be there!

Also, the next Zombie Biathlon at the Battle Road property in Central Texas is scheduled for April 26. Slots are going fast so sign up quickly if you want to come shoot zombies! See www.BattleRoadUSA.com

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: My post on Connecticut was picked up by Mike Vanderboegh’s blog- Sipsey Street, by JPFO, Ammoland, outdoors unlimited, the gun wire, and keep and bear arms. I got 2700 hits, not counting the people who read the article on those sites.  That means some gun owners are paying attention to Connecticut.
Hey, John?  What’s new on your blog, No Lawyers-Only Guns and Money?

John: I did have a post about efforts in at least three states to reimpose a duty to retreat on honest, law abiding citizens. The efforts to repeal stand your ground and castle doctrine laws are coming from legislators in Michigan, South Carolina, and Missouri. We’ve talked about the efforts in Missouri here in the past few shows and some of the unfortunate blowback. As Auric Goldfinger said to James Bond in the movie Goldfinger , “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, including our good friends over at Slam Fire Radio.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.