Episode 174 – Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS and Shelley Sargent of GunUp

Frank Jack Fiamingo

Frank Jack Fiamingo

Today we’re joined by guest host Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast for Sunday, Oct 27th 2013, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about another Second Amendment lawsuit.
Sticks: I’m Sticks and we also talk about the Chino Police Department needing to learn the 4 basic rules of gun safety.
Frank: I’m Frank Fiamingo and we have an interview with Shelley Sargent…  So climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode # 174 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
Show read and intro music.

Seg 1-
Catch up-
Paul dry practices in a truck cab.
Sticks goes into Bass Pro Shop and doesn’t buy a gun.  Will instruct his first Appleseed course in a few weeks!
Rob took some dry practice instruction for an AR and was reading the course syllabus for a four day rifle course.  Couldn’t go to the course because he has a cold.
Frank joined a new range in his neighborhood and took his wife out on a shooting date.  Shooters, NJ.

Sticks- Chino CA, PD needs to learn the 4 basic rules of gun safety.  A police motorcycle officer was giving a drug safety lecture at an elementary school.  Three elementary students were taken for medical treatment after one of their classmates snuck behind the officer and pulled the trigger on his AR while it was racked on the motorcycle.   Impact fragments cut some students.
Rob- I don’t fault the patrolman.  I fault the training officer
Paul- I want the gun unloaded unless it is physically controlled by the officer.

Paul- Interpol Chief is starting to see the light on armed citizens stopping terrorists.
“Societies have to think about how they’re going to approach the problem,” Noble said. “One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves are so secure that in order to get into the soft target you’re going to have to pass through extraordinary security.”
Does TSA make you feel secure?  Do you think they are really going to x-ray every rack of clothes that enters a department store and scan every cart of supplies headed to the food court of your local mall?  Armed citizens are the solution.

Rob- SAF files an unusual legal petition:  The Second Amendment Foundation filed a petition in the case of Palmer v. District of Columbia.  The case was originally filed in 2009 and is still awaiting a ruling by the federal district court.  Original suit brought by attorney Alan Gura.

Frank- Grass Roots North Carolina threatens lawsuit   North Carolina’s most vocal gun rights group is threatening to sue Raleigh if it doesn’t update signs in city parks that tell visitors firearms aren’t allowed.

Mister Mayor, tear down this sign!

Anyone have  a wrench?


Frank- Not that they are going to go anywhere, but there are two new pro-gun bills in the House of Representatives.

Rep. Steve Stockman from Texas introduced:
HR 35 which would repeal the gun ban that keeps teachers and school administrators defenseless.  The bill would thus protect heroes like Assistant Principal Joel Myrick who have actually used a gun to stop a school shooter.
HR 3199 would repeal the ban that keeps servicemen defenseless on military bases.

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Jeanne Assam

Rob wrote an article about good men (and women) with guns.
Rob- We forget that good men and women prevent mass murder and really do save many lives.  I forgot how often this happens, so I did some research that was published by JPFO.

Frank- After a years investigation, Mark Witaschek was arrested and charged for having illegal ammunition in Washington DC.  He had an antique black powder firearm that doesn’t have to be registered.  The way the law is written, you can’t have the lead balls for the antique gun because the lead balls are considered ammunition components.  He was arrested for having ammunition for a gun that was not registered, in fact for a gun you can not register because it is an antique.

He had one shotgun shell that was a dud and one rifle cartridge.  For that, the DC police executed a no-knock warrant with a battering ram, tossed his house and caused ten thousand dollars in damage.  This is the sort of crap you’d expect from a redneck southern sheriff in the 1950s.  This is now mainstream and simply politics by other means.

Rob: Guns and Ammo ranked the states from worst to best for concealed carry.
Arizona is the best and Washington DC is the worst.
North Dakota is number9, Arkansas is number 26.  Nebraska 35, NJ 48, CA 50.
Sorry, Toby.  NEBRASKA not South Dakota.

Paul: Concealed carrier may have stopped mass shooting in Arizona!  What we know is that a 27-year-old man got at an argument at a party in Glendale, AZ and was asked to leave. He returned a short time later with a rifle, fired several shots in the air to terrify party-goers, and then leveled the muzzle at the party.  That is when a 39-year-old partygoer pulled his handgun and shot the 27 year old holding the rifle.  The shooter did not try to leave and waited for the police to arrive.

Sunnyvale is about to get bitch-slapped if this new law passes.  Sunnyvale voters on Nov. 5 will decide on Measure C, a wide-ranging gun control ordinance that cracks down on gun possession and ammunition sales. If it passes, Sunnyvale gun owners would be required to report firearm theft to the police within 48 hours, lock up their guns at home and get rid of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. In addition, gun dealers would have to keep logs of ammunition sales.

This is forcing an anti-gun culture into law.  Can you say “Lawsuit!”

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Seg 2
Shelley Sargent interview.  http://www.gunup.com/

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Seg 3
Frank Fiamingo interview. Www.NJ2AS.com
Armed citizen project in NJ?

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Seg 4  Frank Fiamingo Part 2
Frank posted some recent videos of New Jersey civil-rights activists speaking at a high school debate night.
Shelly Kennedy Speaking at Leonia High School Gun Forum PART 2
Leonia High School Gun Forum- Question and Answers
Man he’s busy.  We’ll have to have him back.
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Show close

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I like it.  This could be an expensive holiday.

Listener e-mail discussion-

From: John
Subject: Which rifle would you recommend?
I am planning on attending an Appleseed training and have two (2) different rifles I could use.  A Marlin model 99C or a Browning model SA22 both have a Bushnell 4x scope on them.  Which rifle would you recommend I use?

Answer- Use the one with which you’re most familiar.  I think both are tube feed, so other rifles might have a competitive advantage, but this isn’t a competition.  You will learn the essential fundamentals of rifle marksmanship no matter which firearm you bring.. and some awesome history.  Bring the gun you love.

List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, or Onair to reach all of us.

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Join NRA SAF GOA JPFO, at least two of the four.
Join your local and state civil rights groups like NJ2AS.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Sticks, be aware,
Frank, and we’ll see you down the road.
Outro and disclaimer

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