Episode 285 – Joe Chetwood and George Hill

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday the 16th of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we note with sadness the passing of Anita Ingrao.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Michigan home invader found that crime can be deadly.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Joe Chetwood for the ask the gun doc segment
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster Cooking and Food Packaging for Preppers.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 285 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – Truck drivers and grades. Thank you to Greg in Bremerton for making me aware of a YouTube video, although I need some of Gary’s blood pressure medicine now.
John – I did some more practice with my SIRT pistol and took some of Rob’s suggestions. Other than that, just work, blogging, and family stuff.
Rob- Lots of overtime at work.  A little dry practice at home.  I need to order some new gun parts.
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Seg 2- News

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-It is with sadness that we report the passing  of Anita Ingrao on Thursday from breast cancer. Anita was a producer, along with her fiancee Kris Koenig, of the 2nd Amendment documentary film “Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire.”  The  memorial service will be held for her on Monday in Chico, California.  We knew Anita from her work in the right of self-defense.  She also loved the stars.  She and Kris produced a film “400 Years of the Telescope”, and together, they ran observatories.  Contributions are suggested in lieu of flowers to the Anita Ingrao Memorial Fund at the North Valley Community Foundation to benefit the Chico Community Observatory.  www.nvcf.org

The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission turned down a proposal to ban lead-based ammunition. By a 5-1 vote, the Commission members rejected a petition presented by Paula Brown.  Brown is a part-time raptor rehabilitator.  She collected the signatures of 53 residents and four letters of support calling for the prohibition.  There is no science that links lead ammunition with environmental lead poisoning in either animals or humans.

-What if they passed a gun law, and nobody obeyed it?  Washington gun owners plan a rally to defy the newly passed initiative 594.  The new law makes it illegal to hand a gun to a friend.  They are hoping for 5500 gun owners to break the law.. peacefully.  The civil disobedience protest is scheduled for December 13 at the capitol in Olympia, Washington.  Spokesmen for the Washington State police said the protesters would not be charged with violating I594, but asked them to stay safe and follow the firearms safety rules.

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Colt Defense is reported to be in severe financial trouble. A $10.9 million interest payment is due on Monday may be missed. If they still can’t pay the interest due by mid-December they will be in default on their $248 million bond. Bond holders could then demand immediate payment of the total debt.  According to filings with the SEC, they are blaming their “liquidity problem” on a decline in demand for the Modern Sporting Rifles and handguns. Colt Defense is the parent company of Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Colt Canada.

-Captain Jack McCauley had a good career in the Maryland State Police.  He was often promoted and moved to demanding positions.  Then something changed for Jack.  I think he lost his faith in Maryland law enforcement.  According to his affidavit from this spring’s court case, McCauley was asked a question while testifying before the Maryland House.  During testimony in the State House Judiciary subcommittee, McCauley was asked to testify if the newly enacted firearms ban would reduce crime in Maryland.   Quote “As I began to respond, I was commanded by Shanetta Paskel, the Deputy Legislative Officer for the Office of Governor Martin O’Malley, not to answer the delegate’s question.”  The trooper said he acquiesced to her request because he believed she was his superior in the administration.  Had he been allowed to answer, he would have told the delegate that the banned firearms are almost never used in crimes, that the anti-rights laws would have no effect on mass shootings since stricter mental health protections were far more effective.  Now he says “My goal is to educate the public, because the mainstream media and the governor’s office are intentionally lying to people,”

After the hearing, Ms. Paskel explained why she ordered McCauley not to answer.  The testimony “was not about policy; it is just [about] votes.”

-There is more news about Maryland assault on civilian long guns.  21 State Attorneys General filed an amicus brief opposing Maryland’s gun ban.  The brief was filed in the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Kolbe v. O’Malley.  The States Attorneys said Maryland’s Firearm Safety Act violates citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms by imposing a ban on the possession of commonly-used weapons.  They also said Maryland law must be subject to strict scrutiny because its restrictions extend to possession of a protected weapon by a law-abiding citizen for self-defense in the home.

-The Ohio Senate had hearings this week on several bills to change the state’s gun laws.  One bill provides legal protections for residents defending themselves during violent attacks.

It would rescind Ohio’s law which requires a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense.  The bill’s sponsor said, Quote “The bill would allow a lawful carrier of a firearm to defend themselves so long as the person is assaulted in a place where he or she has the right to be. A person facing a life threatening situation should not have a duty to flee and hope for the best; they should have the right to protect themselves and protect their loved ones.”  The bill would also reduce the mandatory safety training from 12 hours down to four hours to get a concealed carry license.  It allows people serving in the military to retain their concealed carry licenses and accommodate out-of-state firearms purchases.  It also requires Ohio to recognize concealed handgun licenses issued by states that recognize Ohio’s license holders.

-Anti-rights politicians are off the chain in Missouri.  State House Democrats introduced an anti-gun bill which would turn gun owners into criminals by banning semi-automatic firearms.  Quote, “Any person who was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.
This is forced civilian disarmament.

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-Elections have consequences.  After this last election, the NRA publicly said there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senate majority leader Harry Reid in 2016.  The NRA refused to endorse Reid in 2010.  Reid’s push for gun control since his last election has made endorsement impossible.  Quote “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.”  Nevada firearms owners supported Reid’s opponent, Sharron Angle, in 2010, but the NRA never got onboard.  Some insiders felt the NRA favored Senator Reid in order to keep Chuck Schumer from replacing him as Majority Leader in the Senate.

-Maybe this is news about news, but Jeff Knox posted an article at World Net Daily.  Jeff talks about injured veterans being denied their right to own a gun because of their injuries.  I don’t mean one or two veterans.  More than 100,000 vets lost their second amendment rights because of their VA classification.  Jeff noticed that US Representative Gabby Giffords has not been forcibly disarmed after her traumatic brain injury.  There are clearly two sets of rules at play.  One set of rules is for the politically favored and another set of rules is for the people who have to pay their own legal bills.  We’ll have Jeff on the Wednesday show to talk about his article.

-Jeff Knox is from Arizona, and so is this next story.  We covered the brutal murder of a real estate agent in Arkansas.  The agent was targeted because she was a woman who often worked alone.  That prompted many real estate agents to apply for their carry licence.  This particular group of Keller Williams agents consists mostly of women, and they spent a day at the range rather than opening front doors and talking about closet space.  Jenny McCall sells houses in Tempe, Arizona.  “This particular house is vacant which would be something that somebody who wanted to hurt somebody would definitely look for.”  The more expensive, vacant homes in particular can attract criminals.  The agents try and double up for some calls, but that’s not always possible.  Now they carry concealed and spend a day at the range to brush up on their skills.

Quote, “Because we deal with such a wide variety of real estate from the high-end stuff.. all the way down to the very lowest of low..  we never know what we’re walking into,” said Kevin Craig. Some ranges in Tempe now offer monthly self-defense courses for realtors.

-A gun owner is suing the Atlanta Botanical Gardens after he was escorted off the property because he was openly carrying a permitted gun. Phillip Evans and GeorgiaCarry are bringing the lawsuit.  The Botanical Gardens allow “no weapons except as permitted by law.”  Since open carry by licensed firearms owners is legal in Georgia, Evans visited the gardens while armed.  Evans wasn’t questioned about his holstered firearm in October.  Evans came back to the gardens a week later with his wife and two children, again openly wearing his gun in a holster.  This time the management of the Botanical Gardens told him he could not have his gun with him. The police were called and Evans was escorted to his car.  The Botanical Gardens is a private organization and it operates on 30 acres it leases from the city of Atlanta.  The private organization can not deny citizens the right to tools of self-defense on the public property they use.

-Sometimes it takes a lawsuit to make the police follow the law.  A legal resident tried to get a carry permit in Boston.  The police told him he must provide either a US birth certificate or naturalization papers.  Phuong Ngo, and the group Commonwealth Second Amendment, sued the Boston police department.  The city folded.  Now the Boston Police accept passports from legal residents as documentation in the concealed carry application process. Thank you Mr. Ngo and Commonwealth Second Amendment.

-We love it when a police department promotes real firearms safety.  The Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office, in Louisiana made us smile.  Registration is open for their “first gun” class intended for children from 8 to 12 years of age.  The four-hour class is offered in early December and early January.  The course provides basic instruction for children who may never have fired a gun but want to be able to use one safely. It’s also recommended for kids who will receive a new BB gun, shotgun, or hunting rifle for Christmas.  The Sheriff’s training academy will provide firearms if the children don’t have any.  Children are welcome to bring their own firearms like BB guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles, and small caliber shotguns, but not high-powered rifles.  BBs and 22 ammunition will be supplied.  All children will shoot at both fixed targets and skeet.  The class is free.

-A North Carolina gun shop ran an ad on Facebook.  The advertisement read-  “Shop Online and choose from the area’s largest selection of safes and vaults… on sale now through November 15!”   The ad was taken down by Facebook almost immediately.  Facebook said ads cannot indirectly link back to pages where guns can be purchased.  “The decision is final. Please consider this the end of our correspondence about your ad.”

The Canadian Supreme Court ruled last week that airguns are to be considered firearms for all purposes in the Canadian criminal code except for registration and licensing. Thus, airguns will be subject to the same criminal code provisions dealing with careless storage of firearms. Moreover, provisions dealing with concealed firearms will now apply to airguns. This means if you put your airgun in a pocket or backpack you will be violating the law. Canada’s National Firearms Association says they will be seeking a legislative remedy to the problems caused by this ruling.

-The opposite is happening in Michigan.  Michigan lawmakers passed legislation loosening regulations on BB and pellet guns.  The legislation excludes guns that propel a projectile by gas, spring or air from Michigan’s firearm regulations.  Another bill would repeal a law making it a misdemeanor for a minor to possess a BB gun unless accompanied by an adult. The Michigan Senate passed a bill to prohibit local governments from regulating ownership of paintball and BB guns.  Municipalities could limit their use to authorized locations or on private property.

-You might remember our story about a one room school house in Colorado that raffled off a rifle to raise money for new playground equipment.  The library in Breckenridge, Texas is raffling off a limited edition rifle to raise money.  Tickets for the rifle can be obtained at the library for a $5 donation or five tickets for a $20 donation.  They want more computers for the library. The rifle was made by the Bold Ideas facility, located in Breckenridge.  The drawing for the winner is scheduled for noon on Monday, Dec. 1.

-Speaking of books, the Christmas season is coming.  We interviewed authors Brian Aitken and Jae Wells, so please remember them if you give books this Christmas.  We use information provided by author Stephen Wenger in every podcast.  We recommend his book, Defensive Use of Firearms. A great gift for any shooter is The Cornered Cat: A Womans Guide to Concealed Carry  By frequent guest Kathy Jackson. The links are in our show notes.

Gun Quotes
One of our regular email contributors Ken from Arizona sent in our gun quote, it comes from Winston Churchill

“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

George Hill and Joe Chetwood
Joe, the gun doc
Can I re-bore my 22 without customized and expensive machine tools?
No.

Why won’t my Mosin extract a fired case?
The chamber ID is either fouled or pitted.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then hang up the gun or rebarrel it.

Rust?
Steelwool!

Where can I find parts for my Savage 99?
Numrich. and use the web.

Does Mosberg make a long rifled barrel for their 12 Ga?
Ask them.

Taurus won’t cock the trigger every time.
Could be many things.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then bring it to a gunsmith.  Try Tetragon-action blaster to clean the action.

Segment 4 DGUs
-A man broke into an indianapolis house at 2 in the morning.  The house had been broken into a day earlier, but this time the owner was home.. and the homeowner was armed.  Homeowner Howard Murphy shot 39 year old Kocho Long when the intruder moved to attack him.  Long was shot in the leg and caught by police a block away.  Long was transported to  Eskenazi Hospital and remains in stable condition.

-A Milwaukee woman was attacked in the afternoon and only a few blocks from a local police station.  Even though the police were nearby, they were still too far away to help her.  She helped herself.  A robber approached the 36 year old woman and demanded her purse and valuables.  The robber drew a gun, and so did the intended victim.  She fired several times, but apparently missed.  The police were looking for the man who ran from the crime scene.

Menominee County in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was the scene of a home invasion on Monday. At 5am, as three young men broke in by a garage door, the 62-yo homeowner called 9-1-1. As the home invaders came in the house, the homeowner fired multiple times at them. Hayden Gagnon, 19, died at the scene. Police found his compatriots, Thomas Hartman and Matthew Franjose, after a search of the nearby woods. They both have been charged with 1st degree home invasion. The Menominee Co Sheriff said “the homeowner defended himself and his home”. While no charges are pending against the homeowner, the local DA says he plans to review the case to make sure the shooting was justified.

-You remember when the Bloomberg group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America said you don’t need a gun to go shopping.  Well, sometimes you do.  Daniel McHugh is 48 years old.  He had just walked out of a Kroger supermarket in Atlanta Georgia and got into his car.  That is when two men opened the driver side door and shot him.  Bystanders put pressure on the gunshot wound to his stomach by the time police and medical personnel arrived.  Now McHugh is fighting for his life at Grady Memorial Hospital.  He remains in critical condition.

Criminals break the law for a living.  Criminals do not obey gun laws, just as, in this case,  they refuse to obey laws against armed robbery, car theft, possession of a stolen handgun, and attempted murder.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about texas gun laws.  Texas denies the right of self-defense in many hospitals and churches.  They also treat some gun owners as guilty until proven innocent.  I want Texas to do better, and you know how texans get if you say Texas isn’t perfect.. yet.

Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a couple of posts this week on Washington State’s I-594 and what to expect next. The first post dealt with the ultimate intentions of Bloomberg and his ilk. A post from Reddit makes the argument with which I agree that it is to kill the gun culture. My second post looked at the factors that made Washington State and now Nevada targets for universal background check initiatives. I ranked the states by those factors. The other states to keep an eye on are Arizona and Oregon thanks to the number of in-migrants from California.

Gary- NRA founded Tomorrow November 17, 1871
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 284 – John Pierce

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 12th, 2014.  I’m John Richardson
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Attorney John Pierce about Alabama’s newest constitutional amendment.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll have news from California and Texas, so climb aboard
Rachel- strap in
John and hang on!  Episode 284 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John-Nothing much to report in gun related news for me.
Rachel- enjoyed some time off with friends this weekend but came back to windchill in the 20’s and a broken heater. Warmed up the house for now, but haven’t found any way to warm up the outside. Looks like my four range days this weekend will be pretty chilly.
-Rob- Gun repair.  Talked politics with a Sheriff’s Lieutenant.

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-Washington DC’s anti- rights handgun law was overturned because the district demanded that handguns and rifles be stored in an inoperative condition.  The US Supreme Court reminded them that guns, like fire extinguishers, only save lives when they are within reach.  Now the Los Angeles city council proposes a similar ordinance requiring that all guns be kept with a trigger lock  or in a gun safe.

-Emily Miller is a resident of the District of Columbia and the investigative reporter for Fox DC 5. She is now seeking to get a DC carry permit. She was told by Metro Police that the only way she could qualify is if she was in a business where she carried large amounts of money or jewelry or if her life was in danger. General levels of crime or living in a “bad neighborhood” didn’t count. She had to have specific threats against her life.  After telling her this, the police official said the Second Amendment  didn’t apply in DC because it was “for when the British were coming.” To make matters worse, there is currently no one in DC certified to teach the carry permit class. Alan Gura told Emily that the District’s new law is unconstitutional and doesn’t adhere to the court’s ruling. He is seeking a permanent injunction.
Rob Comment – I sense a second book from Emily coming soon!
Rachel Comment – I think it is now a race to see who gets a carry permit first – Rob or Emily. I’m guessing Rob.

-Michael Cargill and his employees at Central Texas Gun Works have somewhat of a secret language among them. That way when something is going wrong, they can signal each other for help.  So when a particular customer walked into the Austin Texas store Thursday afternoon, it wasn’t long before Cargill’s clerk had to send him one of those signals. The man asked for 500 rounds of Full Metal Jacket, 500 rounds of Ball, 500 rounds of Hollow Point ammunition.  He also wanted to purchase a Sig.  Cargill’s suspicions were confirmed when the customer said, “I’m gonna go over there to that hospital and I’m going to shoot everyone in that hospital,” That’s when Cargill presses the silent alarm. Police arrived and detained the man.  The man had been released from the hospital earlier that day because they didn’t have enough beds in the psych ward.”

6-With the election completed, Texas legislators aren’t wasting any time. Here’s some perspective for you: last year, the most significant bills were licensed open carry, filed at the end of January, and campus carry for CHL holders, filed in February. This year things are different. The session begins January 13, but pre-filing started this week. Already, we’ve seen two licensed open carry bills filed, as well as a full constitutional carry bill, HB 195 filed by Jonathan Stickland. Additionally, Rep. Kleinshcmidt filed a 2A protection against federal infringement (HB 176), and Rep. James White filed a bill to lower the age of CHL eligibility to 18 (HB 216). Another representative apparently has a good heart and a sense of humor; he filed HB 223 which says, in part, “A school district may not punish a student in kindergarten through grade five for .. brandishing a partially consumed pastry or other food item to simulate a firearm or weapon . . . ” The mommies demanding action are ….well, they’re seeing some action, and they’re not liking it. Guess what? I think the action is only beginning. Hang on for the ride, because it’s going to get fast-paced in the weeks and months to come.

11- It’s not often we can say these words, but – kudos to CNN for producing a very honest and favorable report on gun usage. Their video clip entitled “A Special Sisterhood” takes a heartwarming look at the lives of ladies in the Austin chapter of A Girl And A Gun Shooting League. The report includes personal thoughts from A Girl & A Gun founder, Juliana Crowder. Here’s what Juliana had to say: “Simply possessing a firearm – does that make you safer? Not if you don’t know how to use it. It’s how you prepare yourself as a firearms owner that makes you safer. . . . I do have friends who don’t own firearms; some don’t understand what I do. I learned early on not to convert anybody. All you can do is offer up the opportunity. . . . I just see so many more women open to the idea of learning to shoot. We have this really tight sisterhood of understanding of why we’re here, why we enjoy this particular hobby, why it’s important not only for the 2nd amendment issue, but as a sport and recreation, and ultimately as personal responsibility.”

Rachel comment- Juliana Crowder is one of the top five people I credit with propelling me into the world of firearms and politics. She was my CHL instructor when I was just starting to believe that gun carry was a positive thing but I was still very intimidated. She taught me, encouraged me, and inspired me. She’s a wonderful mentor and has touched many lives with her passion, care, and heartfelt desire to improve women’s lives. Thank you, Juliana.

13-If you have a deceased family member who had a pistol permit in Buffalo, New York, don’t be surprised when you get a visit from the Buffalo PD. Under Buffalo city code, a firearm can only be transferred if it goes to a FFL or gunsmith or by a testamentary bequest as in a will. Police Commissioner Daniel Derenda says this is an effort to prevent firearms from going back into circulation “off the books”. About the effort, Derenda said “We recently started a program where we’re cross referencing all the pistol permit holders with the death records, and we’re sending people out to collect the guns whenever possible so that they don’t end up in the wrong hands.”

Comment – So much for the lies that the proponents of registration tell when they say “we only want to know who has a gun; we don’t want to take them”.
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14-Also in New York, Remington Arms laid off more than 100 employees at its Ilion factory.  The fate of Remington’s operations in New York has been questioned since the passage of the SAFE Act in early 2013.  Remington laid off 125 New York workers in August as work continued to grow at Remingtons new plant in Alabama.  These latest layoffs came a week after election day.

15-Speaking of the wrong hands, a guy called in a tip to the police.. and then the cops shot him by mistake.  Now that hurts.  The Vancouver police were conducting a manhunt on Halloween morning as they looked for 59 year old John Kendall.  Kendall was involved with a shooting earlier the day.  A citizen called 911 to report a suspicious car.  The caller had the suspicious car in sight and waited for law enforcement.  Officers arrived to see the caller get out of his vehicle and walk towards the back of his vehicle. The cops then opened fire on the innocent man, shooting him in the leg.  The wounded tipster took cover behind a pile of gravel and then attempted to return fire with his own weapon.  The citizen then called 9-1-1 again to report that he had been shot by the cops, at which point the responding officers decided to forgo killing the wrong person and made contact with the innocent man.  The citizen was taken to the hospital and treated for his gunshot wound.  The real fugitive was later found to have committed suicide.

18-What if the politicians stopped trying to control the sale of guns, and instead decided to control guns directly.  Smart gun technology would allow a complex combination of electronics, WiFi communications and police enforcement to turn electronic guns on and off.  If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear, right?  That’s what researchers from the University of Delaware are proposing.  They claim that technology can hack around the Second Amendment. Will they then allow guns into airports, court rooms and on airplanes?  Quote “We propose to address these safety areas within the firearm itself”.  close quote.
comment- I want the politicians and law enforcement officers to go first.

19-Some good news out of California. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals denied the motion by California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the Brady Campaign to intervene in the Peruta case. The Peruta case said self-defense was sufficient cause to be granted a concealed carry permit.  The Attorney General and the Brady Campaign did not take part in the case when it was on trial.  The Attorney General sought to intervene after San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said he wouldn’t appeal the Court’s decision. The Court “held that the movants did not meet the heavy burden of demonstrating imperative reasons in favor of intervention on appeal. Noting that the movants sought intervention more than four years after the case began, the panel stated that the stage of the proceedings, the length of the delay, and the reason for the delay all weighed against timeliness. In the absence of a timely motion, intervention was unavailable. Attorney Dave Hardy notes they can appeal for an en banc hearing on their motion but he doesn’t hold out much hope for them.

Comment- There are two timelines at work here.  Normally the judges ruling would go into effect in 7 days.  However, any of the judges on the 9th circuit court of appeals could ask for an en-banc review during the next 21 days.  Rob might apply in a month.

21- There is more news for the California Attorney General, and this next story was sent in by listener Anthony.  .  Four California gun dealers filed a federal lawsuit against her because California law violates their First Amendment civil rights. Stephen Lindley heads the California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms, and he is named as a co-defendant.  The Tracy Rifle and Pistol shooting range was cited by the Cal. Department of Justice for having pictures of three handguns visible through their window.  The California Penal Code section, written in 1923, bans gun stores from putting up signs advertising the sale of handguns, but not other firearms.  While California gun dealers cannot display even the word ‘handgun’ at their stores to passersby, adjacent businesses and anti-gun protesters are not prohibited from using the prohibited words and images.  Similar statutes banning handgun displays are on the books in Pennsylvania, Texas, and Washington, D.C.  The California Department of Justice appears to be the only state agency enforcing the laws.  The lawsuit is supported by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Calguns Foundation.  One of the lawyers representing the businesses is UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh.

23-Pennsylvania pre-empts local firearms regulation.  Legislators went so far as to pass a law requiring that cities pay the legal costs when they lose a lawsuit brought by citizens trying to overturn the cities gun regulations.  Now, Pennsylvania’s two largest cities sued the state opposing that law.  Philadelphia and Pittsburgh argued that lawmakers approved the measure in violation of state constitutional provisions designed to promote transparency in the legislative process.  Under the new law, a gun owner would no longer have to prove they had been harmed by the law to successfully challenge it, and “membership organizations” could stand in to sue on behalf of any Pennsylvania member. The challenger also could seek damages.

-This is a followup to a story we reported last week. It looks like Col. Martha McSally has maintained her lead over over Rep. Ron Barber in Arizona. This is the Congressional seat formerly held by Gabby Giffords. Her gun control organization put in over $2 million in independent expenditures for Barber and against McSally. With almost all the provisional and early ballots counted, McSally has a 133 vote lead. Unfortunately, this will trigger a recount.
Comment – I just hope Col. McSally isn’t “Al Frankened” with more and more ballots being found until Barber is declared the winner.
Comment – If McSally does win, this will have to hurt for Giffords and Mark Kelly.

Gun Quotes-  If you teach your kids how to shoot, when to shoot, what to shoot and where to shoot, freedom will easily be maintained. -Erin Canales.

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Segment 3 Interview

John Pierce.
Strict scrutiny protection for armed self-defense.
In theory, gun rights were protected.  In practice, they were not protected.  Amendment 3 gave the courts the required grounds to defend the right of self-defense.
Rational basis- legitimate interest
intermediate scrutiny (balancing test) important government interest and be narrowly tailored to achieve it
strict scrutiny- a compelling interest achieved in the least restrictive manner possible.
black letter law vs case law
What will we see in Alabama firearms litigation?  Places and manner of carry; schools, government buildings, bars, age to receive concealed/open carry.  Now we have a standard of review to question existing laws.
Other states could benefit from similar amendments.

Segment 4 DGUs

-A customer pointed a handgun at the clerk at the C & C convenience store in Dallas Texas.  Most of us are not at our best at 1 AM, but the clerk fought back and disarmed the robber.  He then shot the robber in the leg and held the robber down until the police arrived.  The robber was transported to a local hospital and is awaiting a hearing.  Neither the clerk, other staff or other customers were hurt.

-Two armed men and their getaway driver planned to rob an apartment in Aspen Hill, Maryland.  The two kicked in the door to find a man, two women, and two young children inside.  After the robbers took their money, one of the women grabbed the robbers gun and then shot the robber in the shoulder.  The other robber and the lookout escaped with the money, but the victims didn’t let the wounded robber escape.  They beat him after he was shot. and held him for police.  Dean Watts was hospitalized and charged with attempted murder, robbery, assault and felony handgun use.  Investigators believe the victims and the suspects knew each other, WUSA added.

-This DGU is not one of our normal ones. In this case, a West Springfield, Massachusetts man was alerted when he heard his self-described “ankle biter” dog barking in the yard on Friday night. The problem was a black bear. The homeowner made several attempts to scare it away but it just wouldn’t go away. Then it turned on his dog and got within a few feet of both the man and his dog. The homeowner put one pistol shot in the bear just above its eye. The bear tried to climb a tree and then collapsed. Police say the homeowner had a valid license to carry and was within his rights to protect his pet in his yard.
comment- Is that hunting over a baited trap if you dog is tied on a lead, and a bear tries to eat the dog?

-Four masked people broke in through the front door of this Atlanta home.  The couple and their children complied.  Three thieves took valuables upstairs while the adults and one of their children were held in the basement.  The husband attacked the robber when the robber put his hands on his wife and pulled her clothes down.  The homeowner said, “I realized he wasn’t holding the gun firmly. He wasn’t holding it strong. So I was waiting for a time when I could attack.”  During the fight the gun went off and shot the robber in the leg.  The gunman ran out through the front door but stopped at a neighbor’s yard asking for help.  Police took 18-year-old David Wilson into custody.
comment- Armed robbery and attempted rape by an 18 year old.

-On Monday night, a robber demanded money from an employee of a San Antonio, Texas Subway restaurant. He threatened to shoot the employees if they didn’t comply. The husband of a woman who was in the process of ordering was waiting outside. Fortunately, he not only realized what was going on but he was an armed!  He entered the store and attempted to hold the robber at gunpoint. At this point, the robber beat a fast retreat and police are still looking for him.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John Pierce for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 283 – Grant Cunningham

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday November 9th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Grant Cunningham about revolvers for self defense.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we have news about more bad gun laws in Los Angeles, California.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we report on a robber who pretended to have a gun, and the homeowner who was carrying a real firearm. You know how that ended.
Rob: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 283 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I took four friends shooting Friday night. Unfortunately, the gun breaking Genie must have come with us. We suffered a lose sight, a broken wood grip, and a magwell fell off. We also had a ton of fun. One of the new shooters did a great job. We had her shoot 5 dry fire practice shots for each live fire shot. She simply got better and better as the night went on. Yes, I replaced the stock and fixed the sight.

John – I have been looking for a Savage 99 lever action rifle for a few years at a cheap price. I finally got one this week. It was missing the rear sight but was otherwise in a good shape. I do plan to refinish the stock. The other gun stuff I’ve done is discover a new gun shop. It is run by a client’s husband as a retirement hobby. The best thing about it is that he’ll do transfers for $10.

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Los Angeles Councilman Paul Krekorian introduced a measure before LA City Council on Friday that would mandate locked storage of firearms. He introduced the measure as part of the Women Against Gun Violence’s TALK Project. Krekorian said, ““It is critical for Los Angeles to lead on this issue. Requiring gun owners to lock up their firearms and store them safely will prevent needless accidents and tragedies. This sensible step will keep our schools and children safe.” Proponents of the motion say a loophole exists in which the state requires that guns come with safety locks, but there is no requirement to actually use the locks while the weapons are not in use, or to store them in locked containers.

Comment – Ah, the old gun lock loophole argument.

Mississippi voters passed a constitutional amendment on Tuesday that established a individual constitutional right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife. Amendment One passed with 88% of the vote. The amendment also ensures that future wildlife conservation and management decisions are based on sound science and not emotion. The amendment was supported by the NRA, the Mississippi Legislative Sportsmen’s Caucus and the Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks.

Saira Blair, age 18, becomes the youngest elected state representative in the nation. She was elected to the West Virginia House of Delegates as a Republican. Saira is a freshman at West Virginia University and won the election with 62% of the vote. She ran on a pro-gun platform, was rated A-Q by the NRA, and was endorsed by the West Virginia Citizen’s Defense League. She didn’t mince words in her support of the Second Amendment – “ I believe in protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty. It’s time that we stopped treating our citizens like terrorists and terrorist like citizens. Simply stated, firearms allow our law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families. Our constitutional right shall not be infringed!”

-There is hope, even in New Jersey. The Franklin Revolver and Rifle Association held its 26th Women & Guns class.  23 women came to learn firearms safety and practice with handguns.  The club provided volunteer coaches, range safety, and the use of the shooting range.  Ammunition, targets and refreshments were paid for by a grant from the NRA.

Franklin Borough native and National Pistol Champion John Heller gave a one-hour lecture on firearms safety and basic pistol marksmanship.  Each student shot 60 rounds during the half day event.  Dawn Siek of Stockholm, New Jersey won top honors in the electronic illuminated red dot sighting category by scoring 95 and 97 out of a possible 100 points. Her coach for the day was Mark Jenkins

In the open sights classification, Virginia Tomala of Wantage earned “top gun” honors with a score of 95.  She was coached by Bob Leach.

– Well, New Jersey, that is a fine start.  I’ll see your 23 students, and raise you a few hundred more.  The largest gun club in Colorado held a free concealed carry class for teachers and school staff.  The turnout was so large that the Centennial Gun Club had to move the lecture portion of the class to a hangar at the local airport to accommodate the 500 teachers who wanted training..  Think of that.  The news media hands us the contradiction that we have both an epidemic of mass shootings, and that we should be disarmed.  The Centennial Gun Club in Denver thinks teachers should be able to protect themselves and their students.  The 8 hour class went over proper firearm handling, safety, shooting fundamentals, holsters and more.  Unfortunately, state law prohibits teachers from carrying at any public school grades kindergarten through 12.  That means only the bad guys get to have guns.

After this last election, the Republicans now control both the Colorado House and the Colorado Senate.  We’ll see if the legislators actions are as good as their word.

-Tuesday’s election changed the balance of power in a number of states.  Democrats lost their super-majorities in the California Senate, the Vermont House and the Maryland House of Delegates.

Republicans now control 67 state chambers while the Democrats control 28. Prior to Tuesday, Republicans had a 57-41 advantage.

Republicans have complete state control, meaning they control both legislative chambers and the governor’s mansion, in 23 states.  The Democrats have six.

Rob- Anyone want to take bets on whether the US Senate will pass concealed carry reciprocity, or are Republicans all talk and no vote?  John Cornyn authored the Senate bill earlier this year.

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-Vermont is a blue state controlled by Democrat legislators.  That was true last week, and it remains true after this last election.  The good news is that a few of the anti-rights legislators were voted out of office.  Democrat Vermont state Representative Linda Waite-Simpson used to represent Essex Junction.  She said she would support mandatory universal background checks in Vermont.  She was also the largest recipient of money from anti-rights groups like Gun Sense Vermont.  Linda Waite-Simpson lost.  Human rights advocates can also claim victory in the lieutenant governor’s race, where progressive Dean Corren lost to incumbent Republican Phil Scott by a 2-1 margin.

Rob- didn’t Michael Bloomberg claim that anti-rights candidates would ride a wave of gratitude from the voters?

Gary- Everytown is still claiming victory because of I-594 then I saw a MDA spokesperson claim 87% want More background checks even though 594 past 60-40 and thats with millions spent on confusing ads

-Well that didn’t take long.  Greg Abbott won the election to be the next governor of Texas.  He said he would sign an open carry bill.  Quote “If Open Carry is good enough for Massachusetts, it’s good enough for Texas.” close quote.  The Bloomberg group Moms Demand Attention said that Governor Abbott should demand mandatory background checks before he signs a bill allowing open carry.  It sounds like “mandatory background checks are the new MDA Talking points.

-Here is more Texas news from.. The New York Times.  They found that black men are 2.79 times more likely to be denied a concealed carry license than white men, and that black women are 4.74 times more likely to be denied one than white women. That racial disparity is not unique to Texas. In Indiana, black men are 5.54 times more likely to be denied a license than white men, while black women are 7.26 times more likely to be denied one than white women.

In order to be eligible for a concealed handgun license in Texas you must pay a $140 fee, prove citizenship and residency, be 21 years old, and complete a 4 to 6 hour training course, pass a state background check which includes determining if the person is an addict, delinquent on any child support payments, taxes, or owes any debts to the state.  They also check for any restraining orders.

New York has similar prejudicial requirements.  Some New York Sheriffs require sworn affidavits of good character from a county resident who has known you for five years and is not a family member.   Americans move every 7 years on average, so this requirement alone eliminates over 65 percent of the possible applicants.

Rob- We denied these people their right of self-defense, but we have no idea if we’re safer because of it.  Are strangers who moved here recently really more dangerous?  Do we know that 19 year old military vets are less safe than a 21 year old?  Do we know if a serviceman who was overseas and couldn’t make a court appearance in family court is really a danger to society?  Do we know if a fee left over from a relatives probate case really makes us so dangerous we should be disarmed in public?  We don’t!

We deny the right of self-defense for the thinnest excuse.

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Shelley Gottschling is a real estate agent in Bay County, Michigan. She has been carrying concealed since 2013 because she realizes the danger real estate agents, many of whom are women, face showing empty homes to strangers. The criminal who kidnapped and killed real estate agent Beverly Carter in Arkansas two months ago said he targeted her because she was “a woman who worked alone.” Using this incident as a motivator, Ms. Gottschling worked with a local gun shop to organize a concealed carry training class for a group of a dozen real estate agents. As she said, “You can never be sure what’s behind the door when you go to open it.”

-This should come as no surprise to our listeners. A Gallup poll released on November 7th found that 63% of Americans said that a firearm makes their home safer. Gallup first started asking this question in 2000. Since then, those who say it makes them safer has risen from 35% to 63%. Meanwhile, the number who think it makes it less safe has dropped from 51% to only 30%. They found that Southerners and Republicans are more likely than Easterners and Democrats to have a firearm in the home.

– In the barely news category, a federal judge says he meant what he said.  U.S. District Judge Frederick Scullin had earlier issued his decision in the case of Palmer versus DC.  He said the District of Columbia’s total ban on the public carrying of ready-to-use handguns outside the home (was) unconstitutional under any level of scrutiny.  The district asked for reconsideration, and this week, the judge said no.  There are strong indications the District understood Judge Scullin very well, but the district has slow walked the required legislation since July.  That opinion is shared by a firearms instructor who was also a plaintiff in the Palmer case.  George Lyon complaining about the high cost of applying for certification. The course takes 16 hours in the classroom and two hours of range time.  Quote “This is another example of (the district) making the process as difficult and expensive as possible.”  The district requires a $435 fee to apply to be a firearms instructor.  We will see what the judge has to say.

-Florida passed a law last year prohibiting doctors from compiling records on firearms owners as part of their routine medical survey.  Some doctors denied care based on the patients answers.  The privacy law was appealed by a doctor who said he had a first amendment right to ask his patients if they owned firearms.  A federal court of appeals judge ruled the doctor could express his views, but the law stands since it establishes a “codes of conduct that define the practice of good medicine” and “protects a patient’s ability to receive effective medical treatment without compromising the patient’s privacy with regard to matters unrelated to health care.”

-Who is hungry?  More businesses are being pressured to put up no-gun signs.  The owners of the Tater Junction restaurant in Aurora, Texas thought otherwise.  They posted signs reading, “Notice: Guns Welcome on Premises.  Please leave weapons holstered unless need arises.”  Co-owner Darren Trainer said they decided to post the signs when they were taking over ownership of the restaurant. The signs serve as a joke but also as their stance on concealed carry in their restaurant.  Texas has very specific signage requirements for businesses that choose to ban firearms.

Gun Quotes – “He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that that is where he is.” — James Thurber

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham is a revolversmith, a personal defense trainer, a blogger, a podcaster, and a published author. His books include the Gun Digest Book of the Revolver, Defensive Revolver Fundamentals, and Defensive Pistol Fundamentals which will be released later this month.

In addition to his critically acclaimed books, Grant’s articles on shooting and self defense have been published in a number of popular magazines and on websites like the Personal Defense Network. Grant has made a DVD on revolver shooting for the NRA’s Personal Firearms Defense series, and is a founding member of the Association of Defensive Shooting Instructors.

In past shows we have had discussions about the use of revolvers for defensive gun use.

There are some that consider the revolver as being outdated and with a limited capacity.

How would you respond to critics who say the revolver is not a viable weapon for a person’s primary carry firearm?
What are the advantages to using a revolver? And what are the disadvantages?
How is training with a revolver different than a pistol?
What revolver would you recommend as a first revolver for someone new to revolvers?

Revolvers have a greater variety of caliber than the generally available options in semi-autos, (38-357, 44special- 44 mag, 32, 45, 22 etc) in semi autos it is generally believed that 9 vs 40 vs 45 comes ballistically down to not a heck of a lot of difference. it that the same with revolver calibers?

A lot of the commonly used semi auto guns are easily customised to the individual shooter, options exist in changing sights, grips, springs etc for many semi autos, is this same option available for revolvers?

Can you speak a little bit about the revolvers (there are 2 that I am aware of) that will fire both the 45 long colt and the .410 shotshell, are these pistols legitimate self defense guns?

Segment 4 DGUs

Two employees at Karsch’s Village Market in Barnhart, Missouri tried to stop a drunk man from driving off for his own safety. For their troubles, Robert Lawson pulled a firearm from his car and pointed it at them. One of the employees drew his own legally concealed handgun and shot Lawson who died at the scene. The employee was not taken into custody and the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Dept refused to identify him.

When Thomas Lopez, 74, answered his apartment door in Dallas Wednesday, he was confronted by two men who forced their way in and demanded money. One of the men, Saeid Ardestani, 56,(Sah-Eed R-duh-stan-e) held his hand in his pocket like he was armed and threatening to shoot the homeowner.  Mr. Lopez was armed, and drew his pistol and shot Ardestani (R-duh-stan-e).  Both intruders fled.  Ardestani was found critically wounded at a nearby gas station after his accomplice and their getaway driver dumped him and called 9-1-1. He died later at Parkland Memorial Hospital.  Mr. Lopez was questioned and released.

An elderly, disabled man in Martinsburg, West Virginia was the victim of home invasion on Friday night. Two men kicked in his door around 11pm. In response, the homeowner grabbed his gun hoping to scare off the intruders. When Ronald Stotler tried to grab the homeowner’s gun, he was shot in the chest and collapsed. The other accomplice then fled. Stotler was taken to Berkeley Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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The night of November 9 – 10 will mark the anniversary of Kristallnacht, the infamous Night of Broken Glass, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership reminds its supporters by resurrecting an essay from the 60th anniversary of the obscene precursor to genocide. Written by Rabbi R. Mermelstein in 1998, the recounting of the night of official hatred and horror gives a graphic reminder of what happens when disarmed people are powerless to protect themselves from evil. From 1938

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul, I don’t mean to hog all your email time, but I just keep getting these thoughts.
We have a new Attorney General nominee, who is described as a “strong advocate for civil rights”. Do you suppose she is a strong advocate for all civil rights, or just the civil rights that fit her agenda. I bet you right now that she doesn’t think the 2nd Amendment is a Civil Right and has never worked to support it, or support those who do.
Pardon my skepticism, but I’ve seen enough from the gang currently in power to doubt anything and everything about them.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ
Free State of America

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Paul- Rob, do you want to mention any posts from your blog.

I have an article on acceptable bigotry against gun owners.  It will be out at Ammoland.

Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I’ll have an article out on I-594 and why Washington was chosen. It will also look into the next targets for Bloomberg and Everytown.

Paul: Tomorrow is the 239th birthday of the United States Marine Corps. We’d like to wish all current and former Marines a happy birthday and thank them for their service!

That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Grant Cunningham for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?

Rob- Rachel will be back with us on Wednesday.  John Pierce should join us too. We will have any reactions from the Grand Jury verdict in Fergusson, Missouri to talk about.

I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 281 – Brian Aitken and “The Blue Tent Sky”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday November 2nd 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and on tonights show we talk with Brian Aitken about his new book “The Blue Tent Sky”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll tell you the latest misadventures by Bloomberg’s anti gun groups.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we report on another defensive gun use in Houston, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 281 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I took some training at a local gunshop Thursday night. We reviewed presentation from concealment. I recorded the end of class summary with the instructor. I wrote it down when I got home. Now I’ve got homework when I dry practice! I also cleaned my 45 magazines, and cleaned the 22 I use with new students. I was impressed. That little gun will run when it is very dirty.

John – Did some dry practice with my SIRT pistol. Had snow on Saturday morning but still went out to a gun auction on Saturday night to see if I could pick something up cheap. Not enough people showed up so they turned it into a silent auction.

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-A few years ago, Mary Reed was shot at the Tucson shooting, a shooting which also wounded Representative Gabby Giffords.  Now Mary Reed supports the Bloomberg group, Moms Demand Action.  From what we read, Mary Reed thinks she needs to embellish her story to the press.  No, that’s not right, she isn’t exaggerating.  Reed is lying.  She told the press that the Tucson murderer walked around open carrying his firearm in the Safeway grocery store for 15 minutes before the murderer shot Representative Gabby Giffords.  That isn’t true. The store security personnel and the store security cameras never saw the firearm. This isn’t the first time Bloomberg’s group has been caught in a lie.  If the truth doesn’t make your point for you, then you have to lie.  Now our listeners know the truth about Tucson, and about Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups.

-Our next story is another example of anti-gun politicians distorting the facts.  Democrat Fred DuVal is running for Governor of Arizona.  He has previous experience as the Deputy Director of the White House under Bill Clinton.  DuVal supports Colorado-like gun control in Arizona.  Quote “ the attacks on Sandy Hook, Aurora, Isla Vista, and Tucson show we must require background checks for all gun purchases.” DuVal does not mention that in three of the four examples he lists the murderers actually passed the required background checks.  DuVal also ignores that the Sandy Hook murderer stole his firearms, and so completely avoided any and all background checks.  The tragic multiple victim murders are tragic events that DuVal is exploiting to take firearms away from honest citizens.

– In our last episode we told you about a Georgia voter who was asked to remove his NRA instructors cap before he was allowed to vote.  The NRA’s legal team responded quickly.  They demand the board of elections in Douglas County, Georgia, reverse an informal ban on pro-gun clothing at the voting booth. According to the NRA, Georgia law prohibiting campaign materials “provides absolutely no support for the policy you have implemented, because the items such as a hat bearing the words ‘NRA Instructor’ are wholly unrelated to any political contest before the voters.”

-The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Council is the labor union that represents members of the government’s immigration service. Council President Kenneth Palinkas issued a statement decrying President Barack Obama’s planned amnesty by executive action after the Nov. 4th midterm elections.  Palinkas said  “The United States is the world’s rubber-stamp for entry.. regardless of the ramifications of the constant violations to the Immigration and Nationality Act. Whether it’s the failure to uphold the public charge laws, the abuse of our asylum procedures, the admission of Islamist radicals, or visas for health risks.  The taxpayers are being fleeced and public safety is being endangered on a daily basis.”
Rob comment- Elections have consequences.. and so do open borders.
John comment – I think they may also remember what happened to one of their own, Brian Terry, who was killed using a gun walked by ATF.

-You remember that congress passed the Patriot Act after Muslims attacked the US over thirteen years ago on September 11th, 2001.  The Patriot Act fast-tracked the government’s ability to search for information without a warrant.  We gave the government new powers to defend the US, but now the government is using those same legal provisions for something else.  Potential drug cases make up 99 percent of the “sneak-and-peek” searches that are conducted by federal law enforcement without informing the target of the search.  1 percent are used to target terrorism.
Rob comment- That legislation passed a Republican controlled House and Senate.  Shame on them.
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– We received this news item from Doug Ritter and Knife Rights.  The City of New York agreed to pay $7,500 to a falsely arrested knife owner after the police falsely declared his knife to be an illegal “gravity knife” even though the blade did not lock open. The knife owner is a sculptor who uses a knife for his work.  The knife owner was arrested, handcuffed, booked, and placed in a holding cell like a common criminal.  The knife owner fought the charges.  With the help of an expert witness in court, the knife owner proved his knife was legal.  The District Attorney voluntarily dismissed the case.  Now the city owes the knife owner for legal fees.

-Here is some good news.  Gallup conducted a poll in early October.  They found that the support for gun control has fallen considerably in the last two years. Today, 47 percent of Americans favor stricter gun laws.  38 percent  want the laws left as they are. 14 percent of us want gun laws removed.  The number of people who want gun control fell by 11 percent from its high after the murders in Newtown Connecticut.

Support for more firearms restrictions fell in almost every category.  Here is how the numbers break down-
71 percent of democrats favored stricter laws, a decrease of 8 percen
67 percent of liberals supported stricter firearms laws, again a decrease of 8 percent
55 percent of women favored stricter laws, a decrease of 14 percent
36 percent of independent favor stricter gun laws.  That is an increase of 1 percent.  The increase may show that more former democrats and liberals now view themselves as independent voters.
32 percent of conservatives support stricter laws, a decrease of 12 percent.

And as you would expect, only 29 percent of self-identified republicans support stricter firearms regulation.  That is a decrease of 10 percent.

A record 73 percent of us think handguns should not be banned, while a new low of 25 percent think only the police should have handguns.
Rob- That is great news.  It means we should have more listeners.
Rob, I disagree with you.  The numbers show that our listeners have been doing a great job as ambassadors for responsible armed self-defense.

– Bloomberg’s paid for lobbyists showed up at the Kroeger stockholders annual meeting to stage a media event.  Bloomberg’s group is trying to bully Kroeger into banning guns at their supermarket.  Someone took pictures of the Bloomberg protesters, and noticed they had armed security.  Now that we’ve looked at the pictures, their security crew is carrying concealed.  One of them looks like the same guy we saw being armed security for Bloomberg’s protest back at the NRA convention in Houston.

-We have another dose of hypocrisy for you.  A woman in Corpus Christi, Texas doesn’t like guns.  She doesn’t like her boyfriend owning guns or buying guns.  27 year old Bridget Campbell argued with her boyfriend after a man came to their mobile home to sell a gun.  While they were arguing, Bridget grabbed a knife from the kitchen and stabbed her boyfriend in the back of the head.  Police charged her with aggravated assault.
Rob- It sounds like people who hate guns are violent.  I’ve never been stabbed by a gun owner.
Gary- Hoplophobes project their own lack of control on others.

-Two peace activists in Washington County, Pennsylvania beat their roommate unconscious..  Nikole Ardeno and Emanuel Velez work for an anti-gun community organization called  “Stop the Violence”.  The two went to the police and accused their roommate of theft.  Police determined the roommate was only taking property he owned as he moved out of their shared apartment.  Ardeno and Velez assaulted the victim as he left.  They beat and kicked the victim until he vomited blood and had convulsive seizures.  The victim also worked for “Stop the Violence”. The two peace activists are charged with aggravated assault, conspiracy, simple assault and disorderly conduct.  At last report, the victim remains unconscious and in critical condition at Pittsburg’s Mercy hospital.

-Newark, New jersey instituted a new policy for police officers. Chief Anthony Campos informed officers that they should refer any victim complaining about crimes such as simple assault, criminal mischief and harassment to file complaints in municipal court, rather than compile an incident report themselves.  “in order to streamline operations and make better usage of police resources”.  It also covers disorderly persons offenses such as improper behavior and offensive language, as well as complaints about bad checks and false information provided to police. The new procedure allows for exceptions for any crime that involves domestic violence or could constitute the level of an indictable offense.
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-Gary, this next item is about Chicago.  In that gun-control paradise, a large group of thugs attacked an off duty Police Sergeant.  He was robbed as he walked to his car in a parking garage on Madison Street.  The officer and two other men were confronted by 6 to 10 thugs at 3 in the afternoon.  The officer was beaten unconscious and his firearm was taken from him.  The sergeant suffered facial fractures and bleeding in his brain.  He has been in and out of consciousness since the beating.

Gary- but we need more gun control so criminals can’t buy guns.  Here is a news-flash for Chicago politicians.  The criminals don’t go to the store to buy their guns.  The thugs steal them.  Breaking the law is what they do for a living.
Rob- I checked the Chicago crime reports.  59 people were shot in chicago that week.  None of the criminals were licensed gun owners and used a legally purchased firearm to commit their crime.

-Here is more news from a gun free zone. Two men robbed two students on the campus of Western Michigan University.  This prompted campus officials to post an alert on the university’s website Wednesday night.  The armed robbery occurred at about 9 p.m. between the Sindecuse Health Center and Sangren Hall.  The thieves made off with a backpack.  Campus officials said they are asking students and others at WMU “to move about the campus with caution and not walk alone.”   Michigan law prohibits concealed handgun license holders from carrying on or in a dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.

rob comment- Hello, the two victims were not alone.  That means campus officials are prescribing more of the same activity that got these two students robbed at gunpoint.  That is irresponsible.  I hope the students and parents call and let the University know how you feel.

-One more story from a gun control paradise. As a DC Metro police was investigating a suspicious person while on patrol early Friday morning, he was ambushed by the guy who was wielding a double-bit axe. The axe-wielder embedded the axe in the driver’s side window of the cop car. The officer then exited his car and struggled with the man but he got away. The officer suffered a dislocated shoulder and injured knee in the struggle.

Comment – I guess DC politicians will be calling for axe control to go along with their gun control.

-Kimberly Weeks is a rape survivor and an advocate of armed-self defense.  Kimberly lives in Colorado and she wrote a guest editorial at Revealing Politics.  She wrote,

“There are still times I awake in the middle of the night with my heart pounding in my chest at the slightest sound. To me, the bump in the night is not a fear of the unknown—it is a fear of reality.  My nightmares have a name—a face—a memory.

“Very recently, I’ve been accused of fear mongering and waging a war on women in an election season where ads about a fabricated birth control apocalypse and condom shortages are mainstream.   But my real-life experience is not a gimmick or a strategy, it is just a truth. I could easily be your daughter, your sister, your wife, or your mother. This makes many people uneasy; to have to imagine their loved ones in my shoes. I’m not asking you to go out and buy a gun if that’s not your choice; I know it wasn’t always mine. All I ask is that you not infringe upon my rights to do so.” close quote.

Kimberly, thank you for speaking out.  Some people would rather forget your attack.
Maybe we should use Kimberly’s story should as our gun quote.  Our regular gun quote fits with her  experience..

Gun Quotes
“To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.”- Ted Nugent

We’ll talk with Brian Aitken after this message.
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Interview with Brian Aitken

Brian Aitken traveled through NJ with a firearm.  Brian called the police and asked how to legally move through the state with his firearms.  Brian was manipulated and prosecuted by the New Jersey court system.  Simply put, he was sacrificed to the anti-gun New Jersey court system.  He was sentenced to seven years in state prison.  His sentence was commuted, rather than being pardoned and expunged.  That means Brian is a convicted felon and can not vote or own firearms. A family court judge said he is not a fit father because of his conviction.  Brian described his experience in his book “The Blue Tent Sky”  The book was the conservative book of the month and is available in hardcover and as an e-book.

Brian worked for the Foundation for Economic Education.  He also was given a “Sammie” award by the Samuel Adams Alliance for outstanding citizen leadership.  Brian, welcome back to the polite society podcast.

Briefly tell our listeners what happened to you.
Is the case closed?
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Segment 4 DGUs

An Omaha homeowner confronted Lee Harvey as he tried to break-in at 2am on Wednesday morning. The homeowner shot Harvey once in the chest. He collapsed a few blocks away and was taken to Creighton University Medical Center where he died. Harvey was the third home-invader killed in Omaha in recent months. While the homeowner was questioned by police detectives after the incident, they said it was obvious that Harvey had tried to break-in by the damage he caused to the front door. Harvey had prior convictions for criminal trespass. No charges are pending against the homeowner.

A Vicksburg, Mississippi mother and her 17 year old daughter were the victims of an armed home before sunrise on Monday morning. They were held at gunpoint and robbed of their wallets. As the home invader was leaving, the 17 year old daughter was able to free herself and grab a firearm. It was then that the home invader came back for a second time. He and the girl exchanged gunfire which made him leave for good. Neither the girl nor the robber were injured. Police have found the empty wallets but are still on the lookout for the home invader.
Rob- comment- would someone please make sure those two women get firearms training.

-We reported on this DGU very briefly on Wednesday but now have more info. Two women tried to burglarize a house in Walden on Lake Houston, an upscale Harris County, Texas neighborhood. After driving to the area in a stolen car, they threw rocks to break a window in the front of a home. As they were reaching in to unlock the front door, the homeowner shot them in the upper torso with a shotgun. Both had to be airlifted to an area hospital with life changing injuries. The elder of the two said to be in her mid-20s suffered a spinal cord injury and is expected to paralyzed for life while the 17 year old may lose an arm. Harris County Police are calling this an unusual incident as it involved two female suspects and the neighborhood is usually very quiet.

71 year old Ronnie Lummus and his wife were leaving a Dallas, TX Aldi’s grocery store Tuesday night when 36 year old Mike Angel Carmillio approached them and grabbed Mrs. Lummus’ necklace off her neck. Carmillio then pushed her down and continued trying to rob her. It was then that Mr. Lummus drew his legally carried concealed handgun and started shooting at Carmillio. Carmillio then ran to his car and crashed a short distance away. He was found dead with his pistol in his hand. Police are calling the shooting justified and have no plans to charge Mr. Lummus. They did, however, refer the incident to a grand jury.

Four thugs tried to break into a Jacksonville, Florida home around 1:45 AM on Friday. The homeowner was armed with a rifle and shot one of the suspects multiple times causing them all to flee. Shortly thereafter, a car pulled up to UF Health Center with the injured suspect. Police took all four into custody. They don’t expect to bring any charges against the homeowner who was uninjured.

– This next example of armed self-defense was sent to us by one of our listeners in Houston.  Thank you, Scott!

There have been several robberies on the south side of Houston this month.  A homeowner heard the glass breaking at 3AM as a man came through the back window of his house.  The homeowner retrieved his firearm and found the intruder standing in his kitchen.  The homeowner shot and killed the intruder.  The homeowner was uninjured as was his wheelchair bound father who also lives in the home.  It is hard to call this a cold burglary since there were four cars parked in the driveway and front yard at the time of the breakin.  This was the second Houston-area home invasion in which a burglar was shot this week.

-This report is from your area of the country, Rob.  A 30-year-old woman from the Lincoln Park area of San Diego woke up and found a burglar in her home at 2:30 AM.  The 34 year old female intruder refused to leave.  The intruder was verbally abusive and threatened the homeowner.  The homeowner grabbed her handgun and shot the intruder in the leg.  The intruder ran from the home but was arrested as she sat on the lawn a few houses away.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion 
-Hey gang,
I’m just curious on what you all thought about this situation.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10/dean-weingarten/provide-security-disarmenter-mocked/
Would you defend/escort a MDA (or other similar gun-grabbing organization) member?
The short story, a woman wearing an MDA shirt was mocking an open carrier at a gas station. Then, some rowdy yoots came into the store. She then asked the open carrier to escort her to her car, to which his response was, “I’m sure that loud mouth of yours will keep you safe.”
I’d say that this “advocate” made a poor judgement decision that only helped this woman to seal her hatred of guns. I would have walked her to her car and maybe had a quick discussion on why she felt safer with an armed person, vs alone.
Thanks,
TJ Gauthier

This comment came in on our website.

-Please check on episode 279.
The team does a fantastic job with an excellent podcast.
However, there were two verbal gaffes that change the meaning of the intended point.

  1. During the discussion on assault rifles and “assault weapons” in the very final review of the definitions they were actually switched.
  2. During the discussion of the Surgeon General and the better qualifications of the Acting Surgeon General, the position was accidentally called the Acting AG.

These things happen. Just wanted to alert you. Braden

-We also had a comment from the video producer of the Hickenlooper blues.  Peter Gould said
“Many thanks for posting this! I’m one of the creators of the music video The Hickenlooper Blues, which we developed in collaboration with music and lyrics creators Dave Simpson, Cyd Lantz and David Codrea. There’s still time to get A LOT of eyes on this but we need your help to do it! First, please click through to http://youtu.be/aVIKV3eO68A and watch the whole video – it takes less than 3 minutes and will help the numbers right there. And give it a thumbs-up on YouTube, please! And second – SHARE THE LINK everywhere you can – Facebook, Twitter, on other pro-rights pages, with friends and family – and ask them to do the same! MANY THANKS TO ALL!!

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote about voter fraud.  I know this podcast episode will come out after the election.  I’m hoping there are no more voter fraud stories we have to talk about.
Rob- John do you want to mention anything from your blog, No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?
Nothing really political but I did have an idea with what to do with all the candidate yard signs that are littering the roadside. Collect a bunch of them after Tuesday and turn them into target stands. I think they’d be great for pistol or .22 rimfire.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Brian Aitken for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 280 – Vic Khanna

Introduction “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, october 29th, 2014, I”m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have an interview with public health advocate and second amendment supporter, Vik Khanna.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have a story of firearms and Tabasco in Colorado, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel: and hang on! Episode 280 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – Work and teaching have been keeping me running around like chicken without its head so far this week. Thus, nothing gun related for me to report.

Rachel- Wilderness Fun Day at Deepen the Heart was a great success. I worked with a team of a couple dozen young people to put on the event for 40-50 attendees. We had medical scenarios out in the field complete with (fake) blood and guts, classes on everything from search and rescue to incident command structure to sheltering and fire-building, yummy food, fun, talent show, campfire with s’mores, and a great team of people who made my job (logistics) a breeze.

The next day was the Ghosts of Goliad marksmanship course at Battle Road. We had a group of guys who train together who discovered major equipment failures on their go-to battle rifles as well as a couple cute kids who just about out-shot everyone else. I enjoyed the long line of centerfires….great sight, sound, and smell.

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The “Hickenlooper Blues” came from David Codrea, Dave Simpson and Cyd Lantz. The video came from Peter Gould.  Give it a listen and a share.

-A California firearms owner was charged with making false statements on ATF Form 4473.  A federal jury in Sacramento found him innocent.  It took two long years for the gun owner to clear his name.  Ulysses S. Grant Early was the defendant.  Early was represented by civil rights attorney Donald Kilmer and his defense was partially funded by the Calguns Foundation.  Early’s alleged crime was to purchase a handgun from a police officer.  The firearm was NOT on California’s roster of approved firearms, though it is legal for law enforcement officers to buy this model of handgun.  It is also legal for the officer to then sell the firearm to a third party.  The sale is legal as long as the seller and buyer follow the many other California laws restricting firearms.

Early’s lawyer successfully argued that the police officer was the actual buyer, and that Early purchased the handgun from the officer in a separate legal transaction that occurred later.  In his purchase of the handgun from the officer, Early adhered to all state and federal firearm laws.  He used a licensed gun dealer for the transfer.  He had a valid California firearms safety certificate.  He completed and passed a background check, and he waited the required 10 days to receive the firearm.

Calguns Foundation Executive Director Brandon Combs said, “The prosecution went too far with a charge based on an ambiguous form and a lack of clarifying regulations.  The ATF needs to address its deficient process before more innocent lives are upended or destroyed by inadequately considered and improperly enforced federal gun control laws.”

Rob- California wages lawfare against gun owners.  There are fewer and fewer firearms on California’s approved roster.  This was a political hit designed to stop the purchase and sale of off-roster firearms through a person-to-person transaction.  The government will take all the rights we are willing to surrender.  Our liberties are only as strong as our willingness to defend them from the next unjust arrest.  Please donate to the calguns foundation.

-Do citizens need firearms to protect themselves and their families?  They do in thug-controlled Chicago.  Corey Brooks is a pastor on the southside of Chicago.  He was featured in an advertisement  endorsing Republican gubernatorial candidate Bruce Rauner.  Now Pastor Brooks has been threatened.  His family has been threatened.  His church has been vandalized.  His church has been robbed.  Now Pastor brooks says he’s moved his family into a new home while police investigate.

Brooks said he received the five phone calls on Friday. He recorded one of them, and provided it to police. In that call, which was played for the Sun-Times, a man’s voice is disguised via a high-pitched filter. He is heard calling Brooks a “token nigger.”  “The death threats seem to be related to Bruce Rauner. The five phone calls mention Rauner as well as Pastor Brooks.  “It’s really derogatory, real racial, a lot of homophobic words. It’s real life-threatening.”

Rob- Ministers are supposed to be our conscience.  They are supposed to remind us right from wrong.  There are a lot of political wrongs to be righted on the south side of Chicago.  That won’t happen as long as the thugs sit in city hall.  The Chicago police are supposed to work for the citizens.  In fact, they work for the Chicago government.  Now we are asking the police to investigate a number of crimes against the city’s political rival.  It isn’t going to happen.  No one will serve time for these crimes.  No one.

-We have more crazy news, but this is from Virginia.  Robert Dickens became the victim of a SWATting call. The Virginia Citizens Defense League obtained the details.  Dickens stopped for some coffee at a 7-11 in the skyline area of Fairfax, Virginia.  He was traveling by motorcycle and open carrying.  He was soon pulled over by four Fairfax police officers. The four officers disarmed mister Dickens.  Dickens of course, asked why he was stopped.  The police had a call from the 7-11 saying a white guy on a motorcycle was robbing the place.   The next day, the Fairfax County Police Department revealed that the caller had made false calls before.  The caller was a known SWATter.  Unfortunately, the individual who makes the false calls is thought to be mentally ill. The FCPD has a difficult time pursuing a criminal SWATting case against the caller because they can’t prove criminal intent rather than bizarre mentally deviant behavior.

The caller claims he doesn’t know right from wrong.  Somehow that makes it alright.

-Don’t worry, the police will protect us.. or not.  James Brothers is a cab driver in Salt Lake City.  He picked up four customers at a bar.  The customers argued.  Three of them got out at another party, but the fourth customer asked to be taken to the Hilton Hotel.  This customer appeared intoxicated, and the driver complied.  On this leg of the trip, the customer drew his firearm and asked Brothers if he wanted to “live or die?”  The driver grabbed his cell phone, ripped his keys from the ignition, and jumped out of his vehicle. The passenger grabbed and tore Mister Brown’s shirt as he fled.  Fortunately the driver slipped away and called 911.

The assailant was 44-year-old Byron Keith McDonald of Texas. McDonald is a federal police officer with the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs, a sub-agency of the Department of the Interior.  The agent was on official business for the Bureau when he pulled his gun on the driver.

Security cameras at the hotel confirmed the driver’s story.  McDonald was arrested and charged with third-degree felony aggravated assault. The Salt Lake County District Attorney said McDonald’s superiors are aware of what’s going on. Quote, “We don’t care whether you are a police officer, whether you are a rich person, poor person. It doesn’t matter what your status is. If you commit a crime and we have evidence to support that, we’re going to treat you like anybody else.” McDonald remained in jail for 5 days before posting bail.  The driver said he no longer picks up passengers after dark.

– A Santa Fe County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a fellow deputy during an argument at a Las Cruces, New Mexico hotel.  27-year-old deputy Tai Chan shot and killed 29-year-old deputy Jeremy Martin.  The deputies had transported a New Mexico prisoner to Arizona and they were driving home when they stopped at the hotel in Las Cruces. Police said the two deputies went to a Dublin Street Pub where they got into an argument.  They returned to the hotel around midnight where the argument escalated.  Deputy Chan shot Deputy Martin in the back as Martin fled toward an elevator. The wounded deputy was taken to local hospital and pronounced dead.  Officer Martin was married and had three children under the age of 10.  A spokesman for the sheriff’s department said deputies are allowed to drink alcohol as long as they are not on duty, but they are held to a code of conduct.

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-A voter in Douglasville, Georgia was told to remove his hat before being allowed to vote.  A poll worker complained because the hat said “NRA Instructor” which the poll worker associated with the Republican party.  Bundy Cobb, who is certified by the National Rifle Association in firearms training, wears the hat in part to promote his business, True Aim Defense. But poll workers apparently saw it as something different.  Quote “I went by the first two ladies, and they didn’t say anything. And then the next lady, she said ‘sir, you’re going to have to take off your hat.  Cobb looked down the voting line and saw another man with a hat on. “What’s the difference between his hat and mine?” Cobb asked.

That’s when workers told him that his NRA hat was perceived as being associated with the GOP and that he couldn’t wear it near the voting booth.

Cobb reportedly wore the same hat to the same polling place in several previous elections.

Cobb took off his hat and contacted a local reporter.. as well as the state board of elections.

Rob- Democrats are members of the NRA.  Do they also outlaw clothing that identifies someone who supports Public School Teachers or fireman or police officers?  Both are associated with the Democrat Party.

-Politics crosses borders.  The Conservative government in Canada shelved its bill to reduce restrictions on long guns.  This happened after the Muslim terrorist attacked the Canadian parliament. Members of government responsible for The Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act are refusing to discuss the bill. The bill was scheduled for three days of debate beginning on the day of the attack. The firearms bill has drawn criticism from the NDP, the Liberals and the Coalition for Gun Control for loosening restrictions on the transportation of restricted and prohibited firearms and for giving the cabinet rather than the RCMP the final say over the classification of dangerous weapons. They contend that this bill would increase the threat to public safety. It should be noted here that the terrorist used a non-restricted, non-prohibited Winchester 94 to carry out his attack. Moreover, he was a prohibited person due to his previous brushes with the law. Meanwhile, rather than allowing its military personnel to carry loaded firearms, Canada has ordered them not to wear their uniforms in public when off duty.

-The recent murder by a high-school student in Washington may promote more murderous bigotry against gun owners.  Billionaire Nick Hanauer (HANHOUR) contributed one million dollars to Washington state firearms initiative I 594.  Hanauer Tweeted that we need more school shootings to get the amendment passed.

Comment- Well, we’ve had a school shooting, and amendment 594 would have done nothing, NOTHING to stop it.This young man broke a handful of laws, such as firearms theft, possession of a handgun by a minor, possession of a handgun on school grounds, and the far more serious laws against murder, attempted murder, and suicide.

This campaign is an emotional appeal to disarm Washington firearms owners.  That is ALL it is, nothing more.

Raleigh police are searching for two armed men who robbed three people at gunpoint late Saturday near the entrance to the North Carolina State University Club on Hillsborough Street. Police say the victims were walking to their vehicles after returning from the North Carolina State Fair around 11:30 p.m. when the armed men approached them and stole their wallets. No one was injured. The two robbers then drove off. List members will recall that NC Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens recently upheld an administrative ban on carry at the fair by Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler. Regardless of whether or not the three victims would have been armed if not for the ban, we find it hard to believe that the publicity announcing a gun free zone didn’t encourage the robbers.

-Last month whistleblower and retired ATF Agent Jay Dobyns won a long court battle against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.  Agent Dobyns had warned the public about corruption at the ATF, and that the ATF failed to address death threats against Dobyns family after Dobyns worked undercover.  Now the ATF is dissatisfied with their loss in court.

The ATF and the Department of Justice are appealing the ruling.  This could take years in the courts.

Dobyns wrote on CleanupATF.org last week, Quote “I will never give in and I am excited to now have a panel of judges examine what ATF AND DOJ have done. ATF and DOJ want more scrutiny on their conduct? Let’s go! I wrongly believed that they would not want any more exposure on what dirty and corrupt organizations they are running but it appears that they have not yet felt enough pain. They will. I promise.”

comments- This looks like the same old retaliation from the Bureau that we  saw before Acting ATF Director B. Todd Jones promised to cleanup the agency.

I think they picked on the wrong agent.  Dobyns is a bulldog.

-A firearms company has some heavy guns off its own as it brings legal evidence against the ATF.  The Bureau raided Ares Armor earlier this year over the sale of polymer 80% AR receivers.  Ares replied with documents filed by Daniel G. O’Kelly.  O’Kelly stated that the polymer lowers are not receivers, and hence not firearms. Daniel O’Kelly is a 30 year veteran of law enforcement and has 20 years with the ATF. He essentially wrote the firearms training manual for ATF agents.

Rob- I was at a protest in support of Ares Armor.  They are in my area.  The are located in Oceanside, California.  That is one of the towns immediately south of Camp Pendleton.  Ares employs several veterans as you might expect.

-The District of Columbia finally announced its long expected appeal to a federal judge’s ruling.  The ruling from last July overturned the District’s total ban on carrying a gun in public.  The Federal judge said he would not reconsider his decision.  Ted Gest, spokesman for the DC attorney general’s office, says the District hasn’t been indecisive on whether to appeal, but rather has been waiting for the legal process to play out first.

Rob- did anyone doubt the District would appeal?  An appeal is a win-win for DC.  The delay enforcement of the judges ruling.  The District judge might die or be transferred to another district, in which case DC would appeal again.  If the District wins the appeal then they will prevent honest citizens from carrying in the district.  The District might lose this appeal, but that could take years.

– Late Wednesday night, Judicial Watch finally received some information it has sought for years.  President Obama claimed executive privilege to withhold over 15,000 documents detailing the “Operation Fast and Furious” gun-walking scandal, including email conversations between Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and his wife.   Operation Fast and Furious was the Federal operation involving the justice department, the state department, the FBI, Customs and the BATFE.  The goal of Fast and Furious was to walk guns into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.  Nonetheless, the Justice Department was forced to release a 1,307-page “Vaughn index” identifying and describing the withheld documents. Those records were released last week and are online.  The hidden records indicated extensive communications between top officials in the Justice Department, the White House, and BATFE related to how they planned to respond to both press and Congressional inquiries into Operation Fast and Furious. We are including a link to the full index in case any listeners would like to search it on their own.

Rob- the White House has their fingerprints all over this coverup.

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-An Open Carry Breakfast at The Ranch restaurant in Greeley Colorado invited gun owners to enjoy breakfast and raise awareness of Colorado law and Second Amendment Rights. The gathering gun owners could eat while armed.  The breakfast was hosted by the local gun store, Brick House Guns. Store manager Rich Carroll said the purpose was to show that gun owners are responsible everyday citizens with a right to protect themselves and protect others in need.

With a Smith & Wesson revolver holstered at his side, Carroll stirred creamer in his coffee as he shared breakfast with his son, Riley, and Riley’s girlfriend, Brooke Quintana.   15 other firearms owners joined them in eating while armed. Carroll said the event was exactly what he had hoped for. The breakfast was calm, no one was uncomfortable.  Some of the patrons at the restaurant who didn’t carry were curious and Carroll was happy to inform them.

comment- I’ve seen lots of car clubs that would meet and greet at a restaurant.  I bet it is a great way to attract new friends.  Praise the the ammunition and the tabasco sauce.

Smoky moe’s in Cedar park!??

For the second night in a row, an alleged Fresno [CA] gang member shot himself with his own weapon. Officers investigated a report of shots fired and found Randy Mcbride, 28, who had sustained a gunshot wound in the leg. McBride had put a sawed-off shotgun in his pants.  While trying to draw the weapon, he pulled the trigger and the shot struck his leg.   Mcbride is a known gang member and was treated for his injuries at Fresno Community Regional Medical Center.  McBride is facing charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm. A night before, another gang member, 31 year old Edgar Navarro-Chavoya, shot himself with a .22 caliber revolver after threatening another man with a gun.

Rob- I was struck by lead, but never a shotgun.

Gun Quotes

“Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.” Marko Kloos (pronounced CLOSE) from his essay “Why the Gun is Civilization.”

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Vic Khanna met firearms as an immigrant to the gun culture.  The drug dealer next door pushed Vic to arm himself.  He saw the right of self-defense and personal responsibility.  Teaching firearms safety is part of a larger lesson.  We don’t drive with drunks.  We don’t take drugs with friends.  My son learned we don’t stay in a room with an unsecured firearm at a neighbors house.

There is a lot of hostility from the anti-gun crowd.  We have to reply in a civil tone.  We have to remain attractive during the debate.  Firearms ignorance can get our children killed.  You need to get training with a firearm to meet your personal responsibilities.

We could cut our healthcare spending in half by simple self-care.  We go to the doctor a billion times a year.  Most of the time it is our fault for over eating, drinking and lack of exercise.  We go to the doctor for every illness once we’re so compromised.  Obamacare encourages more screening rather than encouraging good health.

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Segment 4 DGUs
A recent convert to islam attacked four rookie New York City police officers.  Without warning, he swung a small axe and broke one officer’s arm.  The second attack missed, but the third struck an officer in the back of the head. The remaining two officers shot the assailant.  They also shot a 29-year-old woman in the back.  She was walking a half-block away.

The officer is in serious but stable condition. http://nypost.com/2014/10/23/man-shot-dead-after-striking-cop-in-the-head-with-ax/

Rob- How are those knife laws working in New York?

A man accused of opening fire in an Ensley [AL] KFC is in the hospital. He and a restaurant employee exchanged gunfire during an attempted robbery in which both were shot. Police say the shooter went into the Ensley restaurant around 6:30 p.m. Sunday to rob it and started shooting. An armed employee fired back. The employee was hit in the lower body and the injuries are not life threatening. The suspect was shot in the stomach and had to undergo emergency surgery.

Two burglars entered Arthur Williams’ home in Birmingham, Alabama. Mr. Williams has had his home broken into multiple times in recent weeks and has had it ransacked. This time the burglars got the worse of the encounter as one of them got shot in the chest with a .22 rifle. They fled in a SUV and Mr. Williams continued firing at them shattering its rear-window. Shortly thereafter, the wounded burglar was dropped off at Trinity Medical Center. He later underwent surgery at UAB Hospital. Birmingham Police are continuing to investigate the incident.

Gainesville [TX] police are investigating a shooting that left a suspected home invader dead after they say he was shot by a homeowner Tuesday morning.The suspect is identified as 20-year-old Dakota Ray Huckaby of Gainesville. The homeowner told officers over the phone he had shot the intruder. “Officers did arrive on scene and located a male laying in the backyard of the residence,” said police spokeswoman Belva McClinton. “He succumbed to his injuries, so they did not transport from the scene.” Area residents said that the homeowner is the father of a 9-year-old boy, and he made the choice he felt necessary to protect his household – a decision that locals say they understand.

-This second Texas shooting was sent to us by our listener, Scott.  Two women drove a stolen car to a northeast Harris County home.  Then they tried to break in.  The homeowner shot both intruders.  According to police, both suspects were airlifted by Life Flight to Memorial Hermann Hospital in critical condition.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Rachel- Thomas from Canada sent me a message after I complained about what days at the range do to my hair:

Guys have bad hair days at the range too! Until about 8 years ago, my hair was very long. Use to get caught in my belt and holster unless l tied it back lol. My solution was to carry a spray bottle of water in my car. I would wet my hair and brush it out. Great way to get rid of the hat head look!

Thomas

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Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

-John – Harry Reid’s Senate Majority PAC has resorted to race-baiting in the Senate race between Kay Hagan and Thom Tillis. They released a radio ad this weekend aimed at African-American voters that had this statement in it – “Tillis even led the effort to pass the type of stand your ground laws that caused the shooting death of Trayvon Martin”. They are referring to the passage of NC’s Castle Doctrine law in 2011. Besides its reprehensible efforts at race baiting, this ad is wrong on two fronts. While Thom Tillis didn’t stand in the way of the passage of our Castle Doctrine law, he didn’t lead the effort. Second, George Zimmerman’s defense never brought up stand your ground. It was a straight self-defense effort. This ad proves that accusations of racism are the last refuge of a liberal scoundrel!

Rachel: This is the last episode that comes out before the November elections.  I hope you all get out the vote. That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Vic Khanna for joining us today.  Rob and John will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 278 – Miko Tempski

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 22nd, 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we interview Miko Tempski of the citizens committtee for the right to keep and bear arms.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll report on Operation Choke Point and another knife attack stopped by a gun owner.
John, of course we have our weekly stories of self-defense and defensive gun use.
Rob so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
John, and hang on! Episode 278 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John- Nothing really new since the weekend. I did order scope rings and a mount for my new-to-me (and perfectly legal in California) Marlin 336A rifle which I got at an auction on Saturday. I also bought a set of bullet molds for .30-30 for when I ever get around to bullet casting.

Rachel- I spent the weekend with an eager group of ladies at the Fredericksburg LadySeed – an Appleseed rifle marksmanship instructional event for women only.
how was the weather?
Also..what does it mean to “time out” in a shooting stage at the Zombie Run? Your score is a combination of total run time as well as your shooting time at each of 8 shooting stations. So, the range officer times you and records that time….but each stage has a time limit If you reach that, you have “timed out” and must move on.
Rob- Lots of dry practice.  Grip, presentation, and reloads.  Isometric grip exercises.  IDPA this weekend.  Reading a book on propaganda and the mainstream media. (Professor Brian Anse Patrick)  I have Brian Aitken’s book on the nightstand.

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John -Thirty members of Congress demanded the Department of Justice launch an “immediate investigation” into the agency’s own Operation Choke Point.  Representatives wanted to know who was involved in creating and implementing the initiative against enterprises that are out of favor with the Obama administration. Led by Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, R-Mo., the 30 lawmakers sent a letter to Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department’s inspector general, and Robin Ashton, head of its Office of Professional Responsibility.  The Congressmen calling Choke Point a “blatant abuse of legal authority.” Six Republican Senators sent a letter to the Justice Department earlier this month demanding that Attorney General Eric Holder release information about Operation Choke Point.
rachel comment- and what will happen when the Obama administrations ignores them or writes a false report exonerating itself?

Rob-Jean-Pierre Robinet owns the Old Forge pub in Knoydart, a town of just 111 in Scotland.  This week he fought back tears as a court declared his .300 Blaser rifle and a shotgun that he had brought with him when he emigrated from Belgium were illegal and forfeit. Robinet had legally owned the guns in Belgium and had traveled with Belgioum and Scotland for 16 years. There every autumn in the thick forests around Knoydart, which can only be reached by boat or 18-mile overland hike, he would hunt for two weeks. These hunting trips led the Belgian restaurateur to buy the Old Forge nearly two years ago. However, since he is now a full-time UK resident, the guns are illegally owned and will now be disposed of.
Rachel comment- now don’t we all feel safer.
John comment- bigotry on display

Rachel -Certified firearms instructor Rick Ward knows last year’s big debate in the Mississippi legislature was about open carry. The new open carry laws prompted signs banning firearms on buildings across the state. Ward says the building owners are ignoring the Mississippi citizens who can legally carry a gun. “Cities and counties are imposing standards, laws or ordinances and resolutions that violate state law.  That’s where we have the problem.” Another bill passed this legislative session allowing citizens to file complaints and ask those locations to remove the signs. More than 30 have been filed since the law took effect. “In one way you say well maybe it’s arrogance, maybe it’s ignorance,” said Ward. “I don’t really know which is the case. You’ve got cities and counties that are not complying till they’re forced to do so.” Some places like the town of Florence are stilling trying to get questions answered. Their attorney requested an opinion from Attorney General Jim Hood last month. The topics are all about clarifying the application of gun laws. Traffic stops were also mentioned. That’s a point Ward is especially concerned about. “We’re not a threat to police officers just because we carry a gun,” he said.

John -A new law was passed in Pennsylvania that allows firearms owners to sue government agencies for their bigoted firearms laws.  Now some Democrats are upset they broke the law.. and have to pay for it.  Some of the anti-gun politicians thought they could ignore the Pennsylvania state pre-emption laws, and keep the civil rights protesters tied up in court forever.  After all, the politicians are spending someone else’s money for lawyers.  Not any more.  Now Pennsylvania politicians get to tell their story to the judge.. and pay up.
rachel comment- So now we get to find out if a law is a restriction on the right of self-defense.. or not!

Rob -Are you one in a million.. or one in a thousand?  A newly created database of New Yorkers deemed too mentally unstable to carry firearms has grown to roughly 34,500 names.  That recently released figure raised concerns among some mental health advocates.  The mental health professionals said too many people were being categorized as dangerous to themselves or others.  Civil rights activists worried that people who posed no threat at all would have their rights infringed. Mental health advocates also argued that the new laws unnecessarily stigmatized people with mental illnesses. Because the names in New York’s database and the circumstances of their cases are private, it is impossible to independently determine whether the people in the database are truly dangerous. Gun-rights opponents claim a wide net is appropriate because of the potentially dire consequences. Even if just one dangerous person had a gun taken away, “that’s a good thing,” said Brian Malte, senior national policy director of the Brady Campaign.  The N R A proposed a separate “process of adjudication” to make sure that “these decisions are not being made capriciously and maliciously.”

John comment- As usual, the New York legislature and the elite New York press ignore that guns save lives.  They will never count the disarmed victims who could have defended themselves if the state had allowed them to be armed.

Rachel -A jury of six men and six women acquitted a Norristown, Pennsylvania man Thursday of all charges related to a shooting last year.  A drunk man entered Culbreath’s Barbershop.  The drunk argued with mister Albert Dudley who works at the barbershop.  Dudley has a concealed carry license.. and was carrying at the time.  The drunk tried to take Mister Dudley’s gun.  In the struggle Dudley fired a round into the floor, and also through the arm of the intoxicated man.

Dudley was arrested and charged by Norristown police.  This week he was found innocent of two counts of aggravated assault, two counts of simple assault and one count of recklessly endangering another person.

Rob comment- a gun is not the ultimate weapon.  It is a tool among many options.  A bigoted prosecutor is dangerous to firearms owners.

John -Matthew Halleck brings his two girls to and from the outskirts of Harriet Bishop Elementary in Rochester, Minnesota every day. “I’m going to protect my children anyway I can,” said Halleck. For Matthew, that means having a concealed carry license and carrying where he can.  Recently, a sign went up in a front yard across the street from the school. It has Matthew’s picture on it and reads, “This man carries a loaded gun around your children every day. Since we don’t have a way to stop him, we felt it was important to notify the neighborhood and the parents that there is an armed man in their presence,” said Kimberly Edson, a Rochester resident who put the sign up.
Rachel comment- You are always an ambassador.  Sometimes a good one.  Sometimes a bad one.
Rob- I’d like to thank Mr Halleck

Rob -Edgewood High School Principal Russ Fussnecker may soon start his work day by strapping on a gun. His Butler County, Ohio school district near Cincinnati allows school administrators to carry a handgun while on school grounds. Fussnecker said he will get a concealed-carry gun license then take the required training from the Butler County Sheriff’s department.  They would give him a certificate to carry a handgun in a public school building.

The School Principal said, “If someone wants to come into a school building and create havoc and cause harm, it is hard to stop them (if we’re unarmed).  An armed principal “will make the school safer.” Butler County and its schools have been emphasizing building security.  School officials credit Sheriff Richard Jones, who has made national headlines since Sandy Hook with some of his safety proposals including using former police and military officers as armed substitute teachers.
comment- good for Principal Fussnecker.  It would be better if no one knew who was armed.

Rachel -In Episode 276, we reported on how the Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors were using an armed robbery at a Kroger store to push their move to have legal open or concealed carry banned at the chain. It looks like they are at it again. In this case, the armed robber was dressed in a black hoodie, carried an umbrella, and had on a Halloween skeleton mask while demanding cash at gunpoint. They say, “These crimes at two Kroger stores in one week should serve as a wake up call to Kroger’s leadership to prohibit the open carry of firearms in its stores. Kroger customers should not be responsible for determining if someone in the store holding a gun is a criminal or making a political statement. “

We are including the surveillance photo issued by the Cincinnati Police in our show notes so that you can make the determination.

John Comment – If I were that teller, I’d already have pressed the silent alarm and readied the exploding dye packet of money. It is that obvious.
rob comment- Mandatory disarmament is a fantasy.  They want a no-guns sign as if that will work any better than the no robbery sign.
rachel comment- We will see if Kroger customers and management is smart enough to know the difference between a fantasy and reality.

john – The US Supreme Court has agreed to take a case tangentially involving firearms. It is actually more of a takings case. Former Border Patrol Agent Tony Henderson was convicted of distributing marijuana back in 2007 and sentenced to 6 months in prison. When he was arrested, he voluntarily gave his 19 firearms to the FBI. Henderson later asked to be able to sell the firearms as a felon cannot own firearms and a judge refused. The 11th Circuit Ct. of Appeals in Atlanta affirmed the ruling. The legal question is whether the federal prohibition on felons possessing firearms terminates all ownership rights. His attorney argues that leaving the ruling intact strips gun owners of their property rights for conviction upon an unrelated charge. The government argues that Henderson could have transferred or sold the guns prior to his conviction.
comment Rob- It isn’t clear if Henderson faced full due process.

Rob – There was a terror attack in Ottawa, Canada today at the War Memorial and the Canadian Parliament. Corporal Nathan Cirillo was on duty at the War Memorial and was killed in the attack. The attack was attributed to radicalized Canadian Muslim convert Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who was killed by police during his attack on Parliament. This didn’t stop supermodel Chrissy Teigen from using the event to criticize US gun laws.

Our sympathy to the family of Corporal Cirillo.  I noticed that the Parliament was protected by armed security.  They met violence with violence and saved the legislators.  As a counter example, Canadian citizens are asked to wait as disarmed victims until the police arrive.

Rachel – Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed had a gun in her possession at the time she was arrested.  She was arrested as she protested outside the Ferguson Missouri Police Department. Senator Nasheed has a concealed carry license, and has an anti-gun voting record.  She sponsored several Missouri Bills including a Gun Owner Registry.  She also refused to take a breath analysis because the police thought she acted strangely, she was kneeling in the street and she “smelled strongly of intoxicants.”

Rob comment- You or I would be in jail.  She goes to trial next year.

John- Gun Quote “One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.” – Jeff Cooper

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews
What will Washington initiative 591 do?  Why was 591 necessary?

It’s designed to prevent gun confiscation like we saw after Katrina – without due process. It also prevents state agencies from promoting background checks that are stricter than a national standard. (See full text)

An initiative is just as a law passed by the legislature, but with greater protections (it can’t be changed immediately).

What happens if 591 and 594 both pass?
It’s unclear what happens when two competing initiatives pass, covering the same topic. Possibly, the conflicting portions would simply be cancelled out; possibly, the courts would consider which initiative received more votes.

Why have two competing initiatives, instead of simply opposing 594?
difficulties in educating voters on what’s in 594
additional protections are afforded by 591
Do law enforcement support 591?
Yes. Most do.
Why is initiative 594 particularly dangerous?

It criminalizes non-violent behavior, including normal firearms safety classes. It shuts down the gun culture in Washington State by making it very difficult to take friends shooting or to go hunting with your family. Also, because it’s an initiative, the legislature would not be able to change anything about it for at least two years.

Where can we donate to 591?   CCRKBA or WA gunrights.org

Segment 4 DGUs
Rob – In our last two episodes, we’ve featured DGUs in which someone with a knife is stopped by an armed citizen. In this case, a Flint, Michigan robber brandished a knife and demanded money last Thursday around 7pm. The victim responded by pulling his legally carried firearm while calling 9-1-1. The victim held the robber until police arrived and arrested the robber.

Rachel –The residents of a Bellevue, Nebraska apartment started keeping a shotgun near the front door after a previous break-in. It came in handy after Tyrell Dalia, 21, broke into the home Saturday night armed with a handgun. One of the occupants responded to Dalia’s threats with armed force. Dalia, who was out on bail while awaiting trial on felony charges, was killed.

Rob Comment – Wait, I thought people under indictment for a felony weren’t supposed to have firearms.

John –A home invasion in Sarasota County, Florida turned deadly early Tuesday morning. Fortunately, it was deadly for the home invader and not the residents. When home owner Chris Bane heard the glass break at 5:40 am, he armed himself. Going out into the hallway, he came face to face with Calvin Yoder. After Yoder fired a shot at him, Mr. Bane returned fire killing Yoder. A spokeswoman for the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Dept says no charges will be brought against Mr. Bane as he was defending himself and his 11 year old son. Yoder had been arrested several times and had served time in prison.

Rob – A store clerk in Albuquerque, New Mexico gave the armed robbers $100 and his watch. The Pajarito Corner Store had been the target of armed robberies in the past. When the clerk went to lock the door of the store after they left, one of them turned around and pointed a firearm at him from their Mercedes. That is when he shot and killed one of the robbers. Christopher Garza, 20, was pronounced dead at UNM Hospital. Police say the shooting was justified. His accomplice, Reuben Lucero, also 20, is now being charged with felony murder in his death.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about our California gun laws.  Mental health evaluations don’t work to protect us.

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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank our guest Miko Tempski for joining us today. Our go fund me page needs some love. We’re raising money to bring you streaming video from next years Gun Rights Policy Conference in Phoenix, Arizona. Rachel and Rob, will you be with us for the weekend show? I’m looking forward to it. So until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: Y’all please be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 276 – Zombie Run

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 15, 2014. On tonight’s show we’ll present an After Action Report on the Zombie Run and we’ll talk about self-defense news

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – Not much in the way of shooting news to report. However, I did receive my invitation to Media Day at the Range for the SHOT Show. It means I can do more than just look with regard to some of the new firearms coming out. I’ll be able to actually shoot them!!!

Rob- Ammo arrived.  I felt like a ammunition pusher delivering a package of lead and brass to a friend.  One box with a thousand rounds of 45 is heavy!

Rachel- not much. Prepping for a LadySeed I’m shoot bossing in Fredericksburg this weekend.  I have a wedding gig Saturday evening so I’m going to have to figure out some way to go straight from the range to a formal event without having range hair…all the ladies will understand.

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ROB – In California, we recently passed a law that would let a doctor take away your means of self defense.  A mental health professional, a cop or a family member could ask for a firearms restraining order.  This will be abused.  It will also be ineffective.  How do we know the new law will not stop the mentally ill?  Because some crazy people are evil, and they lie.  The young murderer who shot up the Arapahoe High School in Colorado planned his attack.  The murderer called himself a “psychopath” in his secret diary.  The murderer vowed revenge for slights dating back to elementary school.  He was a discipline problem at school and threatened the debate coach.  The murderer wrote that he wanted to commit QUOTE “mass murder and be in a place of power where I and I alone are judge, jury and executioner.”  CLOSE QUOTE

To the rest of us, that is a clue.  The murderer was required to take two mental health evaluations within a few months of his murders.  One was a threat assessment by a school psychologist.  The second evaluation was by therapists at a private behavioral clinic.  They determined he was a low-level threat.  Yes, then described him as a threat in their reports.  So how did this murderer pass the mental health screening designed to detect sociopaths?  The murderer tellls us in his own words.  In his diary, the murder said, “Let the record show I lied through my teeth (during) the test.”

The proponents of firearms registration said they will keep us safe.  They would take guns from people who are crazy, criminal or corrupt.  You’d have to be crazy to believe them.  Similar laws are proposed in New York.

 

RACHEL – Allison Lundergan Grimes is running for political office.  She is currently the Secretary of State in Kentucky.  She wants to be the next senator from Kentucky.  Grimes recently spoke to a board of editors at the Louisville Kentucky Journal Courier.  It isn’t news that politicians say different things to different audiences.  Now we can find out when they say one thing to one audience and say something else to a different audience.  The Weekly Standard has a copy of Allison Grimes briefing notes for the newspaper editors.  Grimes was told to say-

support “strengthening background checks,” on firearms

don’t take a stand on “closing the gun show loophole.”

“disagrees with Obama on gun control by saying “We shouldn’t be banning guns based on things like their grips as a bill supported by Obama tried to do.”

Note that Grimes does not have a clear position against banning guns for other reasons.  The Democrat Senate Committee has stopped all funding for Grimes in her election bid for Senate.

John – comment – despite her waffling on whether she voted for Obama despite being a delegate for him, she has come out for universal background checks. I did a blog post on it a couple of weeks ago.

JOHN- Susan Happ is the Democrat candidate for Attorney General of Wisconsin. On Monday, she called for universal background checks on all gun sales. Perhaps it is only a coincidence but that same day her opponent Republican Brad Schimel received the NRA’s endorsement for Attorney General. In response to her call for universal background checks, Schimel said that criminals don’t fill out government forms. He says the real problem is prosecutors don’t enforce laws barring felons from possessing guns.

ROB – In further proof that keeping university campuses gun-free zones is not a great idea, police at the University of Illinois issued a public safety alert for the Champaign-Urbana campus. This came after four separate incidents of battery and strong armed robbery by a roving mob of black males. They randomly attacked five people for what University Police say was “seemingly no reason”. The incidents happened early Saturday morning. There is speculation that these random attacks were actually part of a gang initiation ritual. Police in the area had noted the rise of street gangs as either affiliates of Chicago gangs or stand-alone gangs that later affiliated with the Chicago street gangs..

RACHEL – How is that gun-free campus working for you in Washington DC?  A group of eight students at Catholic University were robbed at gunpoint.  This happened in a wooded area on campus thursday evening.  Two men approached the students.  They drew a handgun and demanded their Phones, backpacks and wallets.  The students, two women and six men, were unarmed.

JOHN – The Bloomberg-affiliate Moms Demand Action has been running a campaign against Kroger because they won’t kow-tow to demands to forbid legally owned firearms in their grocery stores. This next story illustrates why giving in to the Demanding Mommies would be dangerous. Champak Rana of West Chester, Ohio went to the Kroger Monday evening to pick up his wife. While using the bathroom, an armed man put a gun to the back of his head and demanded his wallet. Rana complied and the man ran from the store.  Police are looking for the armed robber.

The Bloomberg Moms are now perversely using this incident as an example of why legal carry must be banned in Krogers. They said Kroger customers “should not be responsible for determining if someone in the store holding a gun is a criminal or merely making a political statement.”

ROB – On Monday, the US District Court for Idaho ruled that the Army Corps of Engineers cannot ban the carrying of firearms for self-defense on Corps property. The case, Morris v. US Army Corps of Engineers, challenged the total ban on firearms and ammunition used for self-defense. There are limited exceptions for hunting on Corps property. The court said the Corps’ existing regulation violated the Second Amendment under any level of scrutiny and enjoined its enforcement in Idaho. Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill limited it to Idaho as the plaintiffs only challenged its application on lakes and in campgrounds in Idaho.

RACHEL – Here is what happens if you live in a country where there is no Second Amendment and no Fourth Amendment. The Home Secretary in the United Kingdom issued new guidance to British police regarding firearm regulations for England and Wales. He said that police could now make unannounced home visits to gun owners to check on the security of their firearms. The police can do this if they have a concern that the gun owner might be vulnerable to either theft or terrorism.  A dedicated Crimestoppers hotline has been established to report concerns. Given that the Government reports only about 475 firearms (out of a total of 1.8 million) are stolen annually, the British Assoc. for Shooting & Conservation has called this law “unnecessary and inappropriate”. The Countryside Alliance is asking shooters to contact their MPs about the campaign as it  ““encourages an untrusting and vindictive attitude from your friends and neighbours”.

ROB – I’m writing an article about Mexico.  Some students from a teachers college protested against the corruption of their local government.  The police herded them into vans.  They were later found in several mass graves.  We think the police gave the students to the local narcotics gangs who killed them.  Today the students and faculty burned down the state capital.

JOHN – Loudon County (Tennessee) Commissioners voted 10-0 on Monday night to take down the signs banning carry in the county’s office building. The idea to do this came from Loudon County Mayor Buddy Bradshaw. He said the gun ban was outdated. Bradshaw continued, “”What the gun signs in effect did was disarm a law abiding citizen, and I didn’t feel comfortable being a part of that. “I think this makes us safer. In my opinion removing the signs is the same thing as removing a bullseye.” As to the Courthouse and Annex, removing signs there will be up to the sheriff.  There remains a “no guns” policy for city employees, but the mayor said that might change too.

ROB – 17-year-old Atiya Haynes, a Michigan honor student, was expelled from school after security guards at a high school football game found her pocketknife in her bag. Her grandfather gave her the knife to protect herself as she biked between southwest Detroit and Dearborn for her summer job, and she’d forgotten she’d left it in her bag. The school is allowing her to take online courses in order to graduate, but because of a zero-tolerance policy for weapons she’s not allowed to physically return to her school.

RACHEL – To me, this story screams out about ceding control of our kids to the government and thereby subjugating them to governmental regulations. Whether we’re talking about guns, self-defense, or raising our kids: if we do not take responsibility, we lose freedom. THIS is why I have chosen to homeschool the brother I’m raising. So I can teach him as I wish, so he can learn about freedom, so he can learn the purpose and use of firearms, so he can be a member of a polite society.

RACHEL – Governor Cuomo must feel confident about owning New York.  He has proposed a second version the gun control act called the New York SAFE act.  Safe act 2 would include-

  • All weapons must be stored with a safety locking device or in a safe storage depository.
  • Requires all semiautomatic pistols must microstamp the ejected case.
  • Ban all weapons larger than 50-Caliber.
  • Adds business practices, recordkeeping, reporting and a million dollar liability insurance requirements for all firearms dealers.
  • Requires that all firearms sold in New York are child safe.
  • Citizens can only buy one gun a month.
  • imposes a 10 day waiting period.
  • Requires every bulled to be etched on the base with a unique code.
  • Requires mandatory quarter million dollar liability insurance for each gun owner.
  • Reduces the period of a pistol permit to two years from five years.  The period of the pistol permits used to be lifetime before the first safe act reduced them to five years.

This looks like the cultural purge New York Democrats have always wanted.

Gun Quotes – John

“How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.”  Texas state representative Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Segment 3 Interviews

After Action Report – Zombie Run at BattleRoadUSA

Segment 4 DGUs

JOHN – A man brought a knife to a gunfight at a Northeast Philadelphia [PA] supermarket late Sunday afternoon.  The two men didn’t know each other.  They were in the parking lot outside the Pathmark grocery store.  That is where the younger man started the argument because the older man “looked at him for no reason.”  The younger man then pulled a 13-inch serrated hunting knife and threatened to cut the other man. The older man asked the aggressor several times to drop the knife.  The younger man refused, and attacked him instead.  The older man then pulled out his 9mm Glock and shot the knife-wielding attacker in the groin. The attacker was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  The defender has a valid concealed carry license.  No charges have been filed.

RACHEL – An Alabama man was walking along a trail in an Alabama park.  It was just at sundown when the walker was approached by a man carrying a large stick.  The man demanded his money and his wallet.  The victim presented his firearm and the robber fled.  The victim gave a detailed description of Bobby Dean Hall, age 40, of Sylacauga, Alabama.  The police picked Hall up, and the robber is now in the Talladega county jail until he makes bond.  The armed man is unhurt.

ROB – 1:30 AM is a strange time to buy a bag of chips. A customer brought a bag of chips to the counter at a British Petroleum gas station in Saint Louis, Missouri.  The customer also brought a handgun and pointed the gun at the store manager while demanding the money in the till.  The manager drew his own handgun.  He shot the robber in the leg, the buttocks and the hand.  31 year old Roosevelt Yancy was taken to the hospital where he remains in stable condition.  He is charged with attempted robbery and armed criminal action. A judge set bail at $150,000 cash-only. I noticed that the news already had a police photo of Mister Yancy, so I’d guess he has a criminal history. The 23 year old store manager and a 26 year old clerk were not injured.

JOHN – Pennsylvania State representatives Marty Flynn and Ryan Bizzarro were walking home from the capital at about 11pm.  The pair were approached by several teenagers and a teen driving a car.  One of the teens pointed a gun at the legislators and demanded their money.  Marty Flynn is the representative from Scranton.  He is also a former prison guard, a mixed martial arts fighter and a professional boxer.  He drew his licensed handgun and fired at the teen.  The crew of teens fled while the legislators called 911.  The provided a description.  The police found them.  And the legislators positively identified the teenage robbers.  Police recovered the firearm used in the incident. The teens were charged with attempted homicide, aggravated assault, robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery, possession of a firearm by a minor and a curfew violation. I assume these two Pennsylvania legislators are pro-self-defense.  I wonder how the democrats, Flynn and Bizzaro feel about the Pennsylvania attorney general working to stop reciprocity with other states. 

Segment 5 Email and Show close

Rachel- This e-mail came in from listener William Harvey.  Hello, William, and thank you for writing.  He says-

Hello all,

In a recent program you responded to an email I sent and it ended up a discussion about revolvers and that they were no longer viable primary defensive arms. Even though I normally carry a semi I do at times carry a wheel gun as my primary carry gun. Just depends on my mode of dress and the situation. I don’t feel under-gunned when I do so either. It is all a matter of how you train and what you practice. With a semi a lot of time is spent practicing doing failure drills. With revolvers you spend your time practicing reloading.

I’m not saying the revolvers are superior to semi-autos and I am not saying they are inferior. Both have the advantages and their disadvantages. (I.E., every cloud has a silver lining and every silver lining has a cloud.) The best choice depends on the situation. Maybe you should try to find a wheel gun expert as a guest. Maybe Grant C., from gun nation.

My question about the defensive gun use refers to the clerk that shot two of the robbers and had the 3rd shoot him and got away. Everyone said he did a great job and I have to agree 100%. When the story first aired, it was mentioned on 2 shows, Rachael asked, “Wonder if he had training?” A good question and something I also wonder. My question comes from what was next said. One of the guys, don’t know which one, said, “I hope so.” I have to ask, WHY?

It would seem from all the comments everyone seems to think he did a great job. He certainly did better than a lot of police in that he was able to hit 2 of his targets and kept a level head throughout, something that training may not instill. So why, after the fact, does it even make any difference if he had training or not? In other words, why do you hope so?

Not intended as a criticism but just curious.
William Harvey

Rob comment- I hope everyone who carries has training because a lethal weapon is the wrong place to learn from your own mistakes.  If I remember correctly, the clerk was open carrying a 45.  The robbers had hoodies pulled tight around their heads.  The clerk was backing out of the store when he bumped into the fourth criminal who was a lookout waiting at the back door.  The lookout shot him in the hip.

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Episode 273 – Massad Ayoob at GRPC

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, October 5th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have some audio from the Gun Rights Policy Conference featuring Massad Ayoob talking about gun-free zones.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about some anti-gun laws that got signed into law in California this week
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have 2 gun quotes for you today.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in our DGU segment we talk about a young woman in Las Vegas whose stalker wasn’t stopped by a protection order.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about Bug out Bags
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 273 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – 1)Holy cow! GRPC was AMAZING! Talked to a lot of people, got to get to know a little bit some people that I have considered my heroes for a long time.
2)We are partnering with Ammoland (thanks Fredy Reihl) and NJ2AS (thanks Frank Fiamingo) to live stream next year’s GRPC. I have a little bit of equipment to acquire before that happens.
3)Susan got her gun
4)Truck issues AGAIN!
5)Greg in Bremmerton
6)Chaz
7)We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

Rob- Dry practice. I wrote an article defending a woman’s right to self-defense.
GRPC, Tom Gresham (70 hours is easy), NRA board member Maria Heil, Dr. John Edeen, Vik Khanna, Charles Heller, Gary Daugherty and Sherry, Kimberly Morin from Woman’s Defense League of New Hampshire. John Fund from National Review. Chris Bird. Chris Knox. (Jeff didn’t make it.) Eddie Fulmer from ‘Bama Carry, and Paul Valone from Grass Roots North Carolina, Larry Pratt.. oh, and Dr. John Lott. We’ll have them on our show. I also met Rhonda Ezell from the Ezell vs Chicago lawsuit. We almost got to meet Shaneen Allen from New Jersey.

John- Thanks to a suicidal pyromaniac at the FAA’s Chicago radar facility, I didn’t make it to this year’s GRPC but not for lack of trying. My first flight was canceled, I got rebooked on another flight at an airport an hour’s drive away, and then that flight was canceled after I sat at the airport for 3 hours. Next year Phoenix! And in better news, my daughter and her husband announced yesterday at their “gender reveal party” that it will be a girl – Olivia Grace. I need to start shopping for a Cricket rifle in either pink or pink camo!

Rachel- Not nearly anything as exciting or dramatic as everything y’all experienced at GRPC! However, I did sight in my EOTech for the Zombie Run and even got to do some shooting at the rifle marksmanship clinic I helped to instruct last weekend while y’all were in Chicago. It was the first rifle fundamentals training course at Battle Road USA, and it’s designed to help prepare shooters for the more advanced courses we offer (Combat Carbine, Precision Rifle, Camouflage and Stalking, etc.). We pushed shooters hard but they responded well and showed good improvement. One of my favorite parts was the long distance segment on Sunday afternoon – some of the group took centerfires out to the long distance range; I stayed with the rimfire shooters and we took .22’s out to 100 yards. Everyone learned a lot about trajectory, wind, and the importance of being solid in fundamentals.

Gary H- busy week, ebola scare = long term food sales, real mask details, coming up events.

Gary D – Possible suicide attempt at one of my training ranges.

Break
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Seg 2- News

Rachel- Speaking of Rhonda Ezell, who we met at the Gun Rights Policy Conference; the case of Ezell v. City of Chicago challenged the city’s code by asserting that the regulations involving installation and operation of gun ranges inside city limits are burdensome. This week U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Kendall agreed with the Second Amendment Foundation.  The judge found the city’s zoning and requirements regarding hours of operation were unfounded.  Judge Kendall quoted Chicago police officials who “admitted that they had no data or empirical evidence that any criminal impact would occur due to the presence of a firing range, or that (the impact) would be lessened by placing ranges in manufacturing districts.”  SAF executive vice president Alan Gottlieb said, “our persistence in this issue.. caused the city to actually repeal many of the rules we challenged, even before the court could address them. That’s an indication the city knows there were problems with the code as written, and it demonstrates that when an in-depth analysis of gun laws is undertaken that requires proponents to prove those laws would be effective, they can’t.”  SAF attorney Alan Gura added, “Every day on which Chicago loses some of its unconstitutional laws is a better day than the one before. This latest decision brings Chicago that much closer to the rest of America, where responsible, law-abiding people can practically access gun ranges for safety training and recreation.”

Rob comment- we saw Alan Gura at GRPC too.

Rob- I have a lot to apologize for.  I’m from California, so let me apologize for my crazy California Senator, Dianne Feinstein.  She was one of the original authors of the 1994 “assault weapons ban”.  The ban outlawed modern firearms with “military style features” such as pistol grips, bayonet mounts, adjustable stocks, flash hiders or a standard capacity magazine.  The senator put out a press release this month that claims her ban reduced crime.  Experts who study the use of firearms in crimes say the exactly the opposite.  Duke University public policy experts Philip Cook and Kristin Goss wrote that “There is no compelling evidence that (the ban) saved lives.”  A report from the United States Department of Justice said, “We cannot clearly credit the weapons ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence.  Should (the ban) be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”  Those facts don’t matter when you’re crazy like my Senator.

Rachel comment- crazy is right. I tried to explain a few of California’s regulations to my new shooter’s class last summer and the girls thought I was making it up.

John -Guns and Ammo magazine released their list of the best states for firearms owners, and for concealed carry holders in particular.  The ranking is based on several factors.  They recorded the the issuing scheme for permits, the extent of reciprocity, the amount of training required to obtain the license, the required fees and the use of force in self-defense like stand-your-ground laws.

Arizona ranked first, Utah ranked second and Alaska ranked third.  The Washington DC ranked last.  I had to list the states where we live, so Rachel, Texas ranked 12th, Paul and Susan, South Dakota ranks 19th, North Carolina ranked 30th, Gary, Illinois ranked 42nd, and Rob, California ranked 50th.

Paul- comment- Arizona won this comparison last year as well.  Arizona Citizens Defense league deserves credit.  Their hard work year after year pays off.

Rob- At least California is better than DC.   (boos)  I’m packing already.

John – NC got marked down because they don’t issue non-resident licenses. Given we accept all other state’s permits including non-resident ones, what’s the big deal.

Paul- California added to its list of firearms restrictions.  California Governor Jerry Brown signed two bills into law.  One law allows the police to seize firearms from any legal gun owner with the request of a family member, judge or law enforcement officer.  Wait until the divorce lawyers get their hands on this one.  The Governor signed a bill requiring all toy guns to be painted bright colors.  The bill could make some of our “red” guns illegal.  Also, some criminals have started painting their real firearms in bright colors.

Rob comment- California, where your right of armed self-defense goes to die.

Rachel comment- Just wait until the politicians start using the firearms restraining order on each other.

Break

Rachel -New Jersey maintained its reputation for being hostile to a culture of self-defense.  The Atlantic City Council passed two measures this week.  One outlawed the sale, possession or use of any imitation firearms unless they are colored in bright, fluorescent colors or transparent. Pistols that use metal caps are banned from being sold to minors.  The other bill would eliminate the city’s liability for the actions of police when they are working off duty as security guards.

John -Grass Roots North Carolina pays a clipping service to search the media sources for firearms use in the state.  It was a year ago that North Carolina allowed concealed carry holders to enter restaurants that served alcohol.  The anti gun politicians predicted blood flowing out of the bars and into the streets.  It didn’t happen.  Not once.  They tried to sell a horror show.. and history delivered a yawn instead.  This isn’t the first time that politicians and the media said the sky would fall.  They told us a chicken little story about carrying concealed in state parks.  That was another yawn.  Now it is North Carolina Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler’s turn to cry wolf. The Commissioner says he will post the North Carolina State Fair against concealed carry even though state law prohibits him from doing so.

Rob comment- politicians sure show their crazy during an election year.

Rachel comment- when is halloween?  Could that be the excuse?

Paul comment – Troxler is a Republican proving that gun control is not just the province of Democrats.

Rob -It looks like there is some dirty money at play in Connecticut politics. Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy and Republican Tom Foley will face each other in a close general election in November.  Malloy campaigned on gun control, and Foley opposed it.  Civil rights groups like the Connecticut Citizens Defense League support Foley.  Someone funded a third party candidate to run with a pro-gun position.  Joe Visconti says he is a tea party candidate and his advertisements show him holding firearms.  Until he ran for governor, Visconti was not active in gun-rights activism.

They elected the anti-gun Democrat in Virginia when the libertarian candidate siphoned a few percent of the vote from the pro-gun attorney general Ken Cuccinelli.  It later turns out that the libertarian was funded by liberal democrats.

Paul- Anthony sent a story link to us in email. Fox news is reporting that the NRA is being outspent in Washington by 7 to 1 on the coming November elections. As we have talked about here before there are 2 competing initiatives in Washington state and it looks like BOTH might pass. Millions are being dumped into the race by people who are certainly rich enough to buy their own armed security, and sometimes their own operational tanks.

Rachel -The California legislature is working to outlaw lead ammunition, and poor academic studies of lead is one of ways they are doing it.  That is why honest research is important.  A study, out of Iowa State University looked at eagles in the wild.  The authors tested fecal samples from nest areas for lead levels. They found detectable lead levels in most samples, but in the majority of samples, the levels were low and within the range of birds in lead-free sites, and within background environmental lead levels. There was no statistically significant difference in samples collected in the winter versus the spring or in those collected near a river (meaning plenty of food sources) or far from a river (hypothesized to be more likely to scavenge gut piles and thus exposed to lead ammunition). There was also no correlation between lead exposure and the number of deer harvested in an area.

John comment- Ah, but will the facts stop the environmentalists and the anti-gun politicians?

Rob- what did you do today, Dad?  Son, I tested eagle poop for lead.

Rob-The Second Amendment Foundation has been bringing lawsuits against cities in Utah.  These cities violated Utah’s pre-emption laws.  For example, up until Wednesday night, it was illegal to possess a firearm or knife with a blade more than 3 inches long in a city-owned park in Santa Clara, Utah.  Councilman David Whitehead said, “We’ve used a knife longer than 3 inches to cut cake while having church parties in the park.”  The city council said they didn’t know the regulations were on the books.

John –New York City is at it again, and it seems that they are borrowing from the California legislatures playbook this time. New York City Assemblyman Brian Kavanagh has introduced legislation that would allow gun confiscation by just bringing an allegation. This quote is directly from the Assemblyman. “So this is a bill that would permit family members or friends or medical professionals or law enforcement or really anyone who’s concerned that somebody having to access to guns poses a serious danger to go to a court and present evidence of that, and if the court were persuaded, they would be able to issue a temporary order preventing the person from acquiring or possessing guns,” Kavanagh explains. “The person who is the subject of the order would then have an opportunity to appeal that decision.”

Rob- can we get the gun rights removed from these politicians?

Paul -The FBI twists statistics to please their political masters.  The latest evidence is in an FBi report released last week.  The report claims that active shooters became more common from 2000 to 2013.  That claim contradicts the statistic that mass shooters are becoming less common.  Note carefully that “Active shooter” and “mass shooting” do not mean the same thing.  The FBI statistics include events that no one would call a mass shooting.

The FBI also deliberately excluded killings connected to gang rivalries or the drug trade.  Rather than basing its definition on how many people were killed, the FBI report focuses on homicidal intent. If the perp only wounds his victims, or if he doesn’t even manage to do that, he still gets counted. Fewer than half of the incidents in the FBI report qualify as mass shootings.

Dr. John Lott will have a report out soon that untangles the FBI claims.  In the mean time, note which networks cite the FBI statistics.  Those networks are revealing more about their bias than they reveal about the changing habits of violent criminals.

BREAK

Rachel -In what should be called “News of the Weird”, MSNBC is blaming the NRA for making the ebola crisis worse. Honestly, we are not making this up. In a column published on Thursday, Krystal Ball and Anne Thompson say that the NRA’s opposition to President Obama’s anti-gun nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. Vivek Murthy, has made the situation worse because the US doesn’t have a Surgeon General. They say that Dr. Murthy could help ease people’s fears about the disease.

John Comment – This may be why re-runs of The Shark Tank have better Nielsen ratings than does MSNBC.

Rob- We got to hear Vic Kahanna talk about Dr Murthy at GRPC

Rob – With all the attention being paid to restaurant chains that are kow-towing to Bloomberg’s Moms, it is great to read about a restaurant that rewards customers for taking their self-protection seriously.  Bergeron’s Restaurant in Port Allen, Louisiana gives a 10% discount to customers who are carrying their firearms. Owner Kevin Cox says, “Target Department stores banned guns and these people are banning guns. Don’t they realize that that’s where people with guns are going to go? I want to take the opposite approach. How can I make my place safer?  When we have a gun, we’re all the same size.” Mr. Cox reports giving out 10-20 discounts daily.  The discount at Bergeron’s Restaurant started for law enforcement and then they expanded the discount to cover concealed carry holders.

John -Being a police officer isn’t easy.  Sometimes the police get it right, and sometimes they get it wrong.  Last year, police arrested Sung-Ho Hwang after he entered a movie theater in New Haven, Connecticut.  Hwang is an immigration attorney and president of the New Haven County Bar Association.  Hwang was originally detained after 20 policemen responded to a call of a man with a gun.  Hwang is also a licensed concealed carry holder.  The theater was not posted a as a no-gun area.  Police were going to let him go until the New Haven police Chief Dean Esserman, demanded Hwang be arrested.  Hwang was initially charged with second-degree breach of peace and interfering with police.  All charges were dropped.

Now, Hwang is suing the City of New Haven and the police chief Dean Esserman. Hwang asserts officers made a false arrest and acted without probable cause, ordered by a police chief who is not himself a certified police officer.

Hwang said “We can’t live in a society where somebody decided that he has a personal objection to something even though it’s lawful.  It’s not right for the Chief of Police to inject his personal opinions when he pursues a case. He needs to abide by the laws.”

Gary D comment- A city in Colorado settled a similar lawsuit this year.

Paul -In the United States, there is a quirk in the law for showing racial discrimination.  A plaintiff only has to show there is a discriminatory outcome, not a discriminatory intent.  That means Chicago has some explaining to do.  The legal restrictions imposed on Chicago residents has resulted in a racially discriminatory selection against black concealed carry holders.  Blacks and Hispanics are far less likely than whites to meet the many requirements to legally carry a firearm if they live in Cook county in general, and if they live in Chicago in particular.

We are not talking about a license to practice medicine; we are talking about armed self-defense which is recognized in the bill of rights as a universal human right.  This means a judge could ask the politicians to defend every aspect of their restrictions.. and ask if the city and state’s fees and regulations placed a discriminatory and unwarranted burden on the black citizens of Chicago.  To quote one of our favorite academics, Dr. John Lott said, “You really need to ask whether or not politicians are consciously trying to disarm certain groups of people.”

John -If you’ve bought a firearm recently, then you know the ATF requires us to disclose our race and ethnicity before we can buy a gun.  The ATF says this this data is required by the Office of Management and Budget.  OMB says they never required the data.  Entering the wrong data or refusing to divulge the information is sufficient reason for the ATF to revoke a gun dealer’s Federal Firearms License.  US Representative Diane Black from Tennessee sponsored a bill to remove the race and ethnicity data, or at least make it voluntary.  The bill states- “The federal government may not require any person to disclose the race or ethnicity of the person in connection with the transfer of a firearm to the person.”  Congressman Ted Poe of Texas said  “This ATF requirement is intrusive and unnecessary. As long as the gun is purchased lawfully, race or ethnicity should be irrelevant.”

Gun Quotes
Rob- #1) If you have 10,000 regulations, you destroy all respect for the law. —Winston Churchill

Rachel #2) “You can spout all the anti-gun noise you want. You can tell me guns are ‘macho’ and ‘masculine’, and accuse me of trying to be like the ‘big boys’ if I carry one. I don’t care. I’ve been raped, and I’ve decided that I would much rather defend myself “than sit back quietly and be ‘ladylike’.” – Julie Batson (Found on the Cornered Cat Facebook Page)

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Audio of Massad Ayoob from GRPC 2014 “Targeting Gun Free Zones”

Segment 4 DGUs

John – Brandy Moreno took out a restraining order against Leo Henry.  Henry was her ex-boyfriend.  Brandy Moreno was so frightened for her safety and the safety of her children that she also got a handgun.  She showed her 11 year old daughter how to use the firearm.  That turns out to have been a very good decision.  Before 4 AM Tuesday morning, Leo Henry broke into the home where he used to live.  He broke into the home despite a restraining order.  He stabbed Brandy Moreno several times.  The attack continued until the 11 year old shot Mister Henry.  Both Mister Henry and Ms Moreno were taken to Oklahoma University medical center for treatment.  Court records show that Henry was charged in 2013 in Oklahoma County District Court with a misdemeanor count of domestic abuse assault and battery. The case was dismissed.

Gary commment- what if the young woman had been taught to call 911 instead of protecting herself with a firearm?

John comment- then the news story would probably be about a murder rather than a defensive use of a handgun.

Paul – (I REALLY want to do this one) Grand Rapids Michigan police are investigating a shooting at a bankruptcy court…. Well they are calling it an “accidental” shooting. What most of us would call it is a negligent discharge. a court security officer was “cleaning” his gun when he pointed the gun at his hand and pulled the trigger on a live round. Pulling the trigger is required to disassemble some guns for cleaning, but when I bought my Glock I was told of this by the sales rep ( and of course it is in the instruction book that you get with your gun). You might be asking “why the heck is this in with the DGU’s? Well I think that it is news in that this was someone who is around guns all the time and is paid to work with them. It only takes a second of distraction to ruin your day when working with a firearm. There are more models than just the Glock that require a trigger press to disassemble please take your time and whenever you are placing a gun in your hands to what my friend Charlie Foxtrot once said on the old GRRN forums. think to yourself “ok this is for reals”

Rob – A DGU that has REALLY been making the rounds on the internet.  It is the story of a young Las Vegas woman who had a problem with a stalker. The young woman, who doesn’t want to be named, had enough problems that she got a restraining order.  Luckily she didn’t stop there.  She also got a gun. She was awakened at 1:15 am on Friday to the sound of her door being kicked in. The following quote is directly from her Imgur post  “I’m writing this staring at the mess the police left for me, in a bit of a fog.  After 6 months of stalking and threats against my life my stalker finally snapped and decided to kick my door in and make good on his promise.

“Out of fear, the past month I had begun sleeping with a chair propped against my front door, to give myself a few extra precious seconds in case of emergency.  I shudder to think how differently things might’ve turned out had I  not barricaded the door.

“I awoke around 1:15 am to the sound of the door giving way after one kick followed by the sounds of my stalker struggling to dislodge the chair while forcing his way inside. I jumped up and grabbed the gun I’ve learned to do everything even shower with.

“I stood at the top of my stairs and fired twice. Hitting him in the chest, I hear his scream, his disbelief that I’d stood up for myself.. 0 to 100 in milliseconds. I’ve never been so afraid in my life. I do not know if he is living, but I do know the police have him and that’s what helps the most.

“For months of him evading the police I began to question whether he was unstoppable. Untraceable. Houdini, he would murder me and get away with it. As of now I’m in a haze of  guilt, surprise, relief  and disbelief. I shook as the canines drag him out from his hiding place under a bush. I survived, where so many people do not. Holy shit, I survived.”

John comments-  Stalking and rape are about power and control.  I’m glad this young woman decided to protect herself.

Rachel – At 4:30 in the morning, a Houston area grandmother was cooking breakfast with her three granddaughters.  That is when three armed men broke into her home.  Fortunately, an adult son heard the disturbance.  The son heard grandma say “please don’t hurt the girls” and grabbed his handgun.  He shot two of the intruders.  One of the criminals died on the scene and two escaped.  The eight family members living in the home were unhurt.

The family runs a construction business, and police are investigating why they were targeted for the break in.

John – A Knoxville, Tennessee home invader found out the hard way that kicking in a man’s door will get you shot. Jeffrey Minor shot the home invader with his shotgun as his door was breached. According to Knoxville police, the suspect then fled on foot but not before shooting at Minor’s house with a handgun and then dropping it. He was arrested when he appeared at a local hospital for treatment for the gunshot wound to his arm. Police say that Minor was in fear of his life but are still investigating.

Rachel – Mark Vaughan recently sold Vaughan’s foods that he started.  Mister Vaughan stayed on to help run the place in Moore, Oklahoma.  That morning they’d fired an employee.  The employee returned and stabbed a female employee working in the office.  The attacker then cut off her head.  The employee then attacked a second woman before Vaughan shot him.  Vaughan was a reserve sheriff’s deputy.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Email from Ken in AZ,

I heard you need more emails so, here we go.
How do we ensure the security of a Free State? The 2nd Amendment says by keeping and bearing arms, right?

Therefore, doesn’t it logically follow that 2A is saying it’s the duty of the citizen to keep and bear, as well as his right? I mean, if we aren’t keeping and bearing arms, we can’t ensure the security of anything! So, to be a good American, we have to.

It’s a pretty nifty system. The 2nd Amendment protects our right to keep and bear, and in turn, we protect it by keeping and bearing. And ’round and ’round and ’round it goes, each part supporting the other part. It’s an infinite feedback loop of freedom, to coin a phrase.

Ken S.
Phoenix, AZ
Free States of America

PS Thoughts and prayers for Bob Mayne of Handgun World Podcast as he is fighting cancer.

Paul- William emailed this one in.

A short one, plan on other topics later. You mentioned the Ruger LCR in 9mm. Moon clips are very fast for reloading wheel guns. That’s great for competition but don’t forget that moon clips are thin metal plates and therefore fairly easily bent. Carrying reloads that way may be great for speed but if the clip gets bent then you are dead in the water so to speak. I’d rather sacrifice a bit of speed than chance not being able to reload at all. Just my opinion.

Rob -A listener from South Carolina who asked that we don’t identify him on the air emailed this in.

Several episodes back there was some discussion about carry in your own home.
When I am home, I am in the place that should be the most secure. Consequently, I always have a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special in a pocket holster. I have other, heavy duty firearms in the home but the CA .38 is always handy and even when I take shower it is in a pants pocket in the bathroom with me.
Please take a look at this link and see if we qualify as a South Carolina Second Amendment group for your listing.
http://palmettocc.us/
Thanks for all you and crew do to help us stay informed and alert.

Rachel- Marc in Ohio emailed about a DGU we talked about on the last episode that we recorded.

Hello,
I’m sending you a link to a news story about a shooting in a town I work in. I have talked to officers on scene. The store clerk was open carrying a 1911. The thieves were so focused on the robbery they went right past the clerk. The clerk was shooting and walking backwards to a door. The clerk did not know there was a third thief watching outside the doorway. When this thug and the clerk met it scared the lookout and his shot at point blank was at the clerk’s hip. I’m told the clerk did an outstanding job shooting. The clerk even continued to shoot after being shot high in the hip with a hollow point .45 The thief that shot the clerk is the one still at large.
Capacity matters and the clerk emptied his 1911. Open carry did not alter the thieves plan. They had hoodies tied tight around their faces. Maybe the hoodies kept them from seeing the openly carried firearm.
The officer started his story to me by saying, “Did you hear the story about gun owners doing it right?”. No charges are expected to be filed on the clerk.  http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video-store-clerk-shoots-and-kills-2-of-3-armed-robbers-in-gunfight/

Marc from Ohio

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I posted two articles since our last show.   I live in San Diego County, California.  My sheriff prefers disarmed civilians.  He says law enforcement will keep us safe.  He is wrong.  I wrote about the recent victims of violent crime in San Diego County.

I also wrote about some crazy feminists who said women promote rape by protecting themselves.  More precisely, women promote rape culture on campus when they advocate awareness, avoidance and self-defense. That hit a nerve since I’ve asked my wife and daughter to practice awareness, avoidance and self-defense.  Both articles are up at Clash Daily.. and they will be up at my blog and at Ammoland.

Paul Comment – Love the comment about seatbelts

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did an article on Friday regarding an attorney running for the NC Ct of Appeals. Mark Davis was the lead attorney for the state defending NC’s emergency powers act that prohibited firearm possession off premises during a declared emergency. That case, Bateman v Perdue, was brought by GRNC and SAF and which was won by Alan Gura. My point was that even in non partisan elections we need to check out the candidates because, even with all their endorsements, they could really be anti-gun.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 271 – How much is a suppressor in China?

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, the 20th of September, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about homemade weapons showing up in China
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Baylor university approving concealed carry on campus
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we will also have a discussion about water storage
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 271 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- Didn’t get the show that was supposed to go out on Wednesday out on time. It released just this morning. Went shopping for a new handgun for my beautiful blushing bride Susan. She decided on the Glock 23. The store that we support with our business didn’t have one in stock so we ordered it and it should be in late this week, just about the time that GRPC starts.

Got a new Concealment Solutions holster. LOVE the Sidewinder Pro. I never thought that I would like any holster better than the Black Mamba CE however Jason outdid himself with this one. Just like the Black Mamba, this is a hybrid holster, the Sidewinder pro is a outside the waistband hybrid holster. That means that it is both leather and kydex. It also has a thumb break retention strap. I haven’t totally retired the black mamba, however I wore the new sidewinder all this week while I was on the road and I absolutely am in love with this holster. The only negative that I can find is that I have to get used to adjusting my belt to a tighter hole, however that does have the added benefit of making it look like I lost a little bit of weight!

I also have a tiny bit of a rant, if you have an NRA, SAF, GOA, S&W, Glock or other sticker on your back window of your car or pickup PLEASE drive courteously. I don’t have one on my pickup for theft deterrent reasons, but if you have one and you are driving like an idiot you are giving us all a bad name.

John – I couldn’t agree more with Paul on this. I only have my NRA Life Member sticker on my car and you have to look to see it. As for gun stuff, I had planned to take my new rifle to the range and sight it in. I didn’t get to the range but I did take the rifle apart to learn more about it. Found out it assembled on a FN Mauser action from a 1951 Belgian Navy rifle with a barrel made in Pennsylvania. The gunsmith who crafted this rifle also glass bedded the stock.

Rachel- I haven’t been doing much with politics and guns the past few days, beyond working on raising a responsible citizen to join the coming generation of polite society. I really enjoyed his team’s football game Friday – not only because we won soundly, but also because of the great sportsmanship Jordan’s team showed. They played with passion and heart, but every time after they routed the other team during a play, as soon as it was over, they were there giving their opponents a helping hand. That speaks well of becoming a great citizen.

Gary – new products available to order – including ammo.

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Paul-The state of Hawaii denied firearms permits to legal permanent residents because they were not yet citizens.  That practice was appealed and found unconstitutional.  A federal district court ruled that the practice was invalid under the Equal Protection Clause and the Second Amendment.  If the state has any concern justifying the regulation of firearms, the exclusion of legal non-citizens is not narrowly tailored to meet that concern.  The case said is was permissible to deny firearms ownership to illegal residents.  The case is sure to be appealed.

Rachel- Legal private firearms ownership is virtually non-existent in the People’s Republic of China. However, for 2,200 Yuan (about $320 US) you can get a black market Type 64 pistol with silencer and 5 cartridges. It should go without saying that Chinese gun laws are very strict. However, this story from the China Daily goes to show that even in the most authoritarian of countries, gun control doesn’t work.

John – The Student Senate at Baylor University gets it. On Thursday, they voted to approve a resolution that would allow students and others who have concealed handgun permits to carry their guns on the Waco campus. Unsurprisingly, school spokeswoman Lori Fogleman tells the Waco Tribune-Herald that Baylor officials believe allowing the guns would create security challenges. Texas law allows college students with concealed carry licenses to have guns in a locked compartment in their car on campus. Any changes would have to be approved by the University’s Board of Regents.

Paul – The gun control group North Carolinians Against Gun Violence is so desperate for publicity that they held a vigil on Friday evening for a convicted felon killed in a shootout with another man. Nigel Scarlett had been previously convicted of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and was known to be in the drug trade. According to the lawyer for the man who shot Scarlett, the man had no criminal record and shot Scarlett in self-defense after being threatened by him. He suspected Scarlett was behind the home invasion that left his cousin and her boyfriend dead.

Comment – They picked a real winner there.

Comment – Sure would have been nice if they cared as much about honest folks threatened by the likes of Scarlett and others.

Rachel – The billboards supporting Shaneen Allen that Frank Fiamingo told you about here are starting to attract the attention of the New Jersey mainstream media. My9NJ in their Chasing New Jersey segment brought attention to these billboards and had an interview with both Frank and NJ State Sen. Jeff Van Drew. Van Drew, a Democrat, is sponsoring a bill that would give judges the same discretion that Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain has. If you watch the whole episode, you can tell the news staff is sympathetic to Shaneen Allen.

John – There will be a benefit fish fry to support Shaneen Allen and her sons. The event is being held in Philadelphia on October 11th and 12. As the sponsors say, this event is to help support a single mom fighting to keep from being separated from her children over a honest mistake. If you are in the area, we’d urge you to attend.

Paul – The Republican Leader of the NJ Assembly Jon Bramnick has weighed in on the Shaneen Allen case saying, “”This is a case, where a woman with no criminal record, should not go to jail.” He acknowledges that she made a serious mistake but thinks the charge should have been something like disorderly conduct. He noted that Ms. Allen would have had no problems in at least 30 other states. Bramnick also endorsed legislation nicknamed Shaneen’s Law that would lessen the penalties faced by legal concealed carry permit holders who get ensnared in NJ’s laws. The proposed law would mandate pre-trial intervention instead of a minimum of 3 ½ years in prison.

Rachel – Thursday, Reps. Diane Black (R-TN-06) and Ted Poe (R-TX-02) introduced the FIREARM (Freedom From Intrusive Regulatory Enforcement of Arbitrary Registration Mandates) Act – legislation to prohibit the federal government from requiring race or ethnicity to be disclosed in connection with the purchase of a firearm. The ATF changed Form 4473 in 2012 to require the disclosure of race and ethnicity citing a 20-year old OMB mandate. As Rep. Black notes, failure of the purchasers to check the appropriate box can result in the ATF shutting down a dealer’s business for incomplete forms.

Gun Quotes
John – A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.(bo͝orZHwäˈzē) (middle class) — VLADIMIR ILYICH LENIN

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs

John -A U.S. Army veteran who never fired a shot while serving in Afghanistan found himself exchanging gunfire earlier this week.  27 year old Shaun Cooper and his family were at home.  A teenager knocked on the door, and then began shooting into the house.  Cooper grabbed his own firearm.  The teen saw Cooper through a window, and fired at him.  Cooper shot back and dropped the teenager.  The teenager is in stable condition at a local hospital.  Las Vegas Police believe the teen was attacking the family after arguing with Cooper’s 14 year old brother.

Rachel -A man posted on Craigslist that he had a rifle for sale.  Three men came to look at it.  They examined the rifle then turned it around and pointed it at the seller.  They then tried to rob him of his valuables.  The seller pulled his handgun and told the men to lie on the ground because he knew his handgun was loaded and he knew the rifle he’d handed them wasn’t.  The seller then grabbed his rifle and ran away to call police.  The three men were arrested and booked into jail in Hanover County, North Carolina.

Paul – Our listeners understand that the right to keep and bear arms is about more than just firearms. It includes knives and swords and other implements of defense such as spears. Jimmy Wilson is an active participant in SCA – the Society for Creative Anachronism – and he keeps a short spear by his bed. And it was a short spear that he used to protect himself against a home invader in Wichita Falls, Texas on Wednesday night. The home invader, Thomas McGowan, was lucky to escape with just cuts to his hands and shoulder. As Mr. Wilson said, “I am a Christian man and I don’t want to take life, however I want to make sure that he (McGowan) understands that his life was mine to take. I let him have it.” Police found McGowan a few blocks away from Wilson’s house. After taking him to the hospital to be treated for his wounds, McGowan was charged with criminal trespass, DUI, and evading police with an automobile.

John – A man attempting to rob a Wisconsin truck driver who was working a job in San Antonio Thursday night got more than he bargained for after the trucker pulled out his firearm and used it to protect himself. Joshua McCann was in San Antonio to pick up a motorcycle and then deliver it to Michigan. The robber approached McCann saying he was a cop. When McCann asked to see his badge, the robber said he was going to steal McCann’s truck. That’s when McCann pulled his firearm and shot the robber three times killing him. Police confirmed McCann’s story with bystanders and employees of the motorcycle shop.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 270 – John Pierce

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday September 17th 2014. I’m John Richardson
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have John Pierce to discuss the Washington State firearms initiatives.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 270 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I really haven’t done anything gun related since last week between visiting my step-daughter who is “with child” and work. I do hope to get out this Saturday to sight in some rifles.

Rob- I went to a new range nearby that opened a few weeks ago. I’m trying to get a tour so I can review them.

Rachel- I took advantage of a break in between students to run out to the range and shoot my newly set-up AR. I knew I was gonna love it, I just had no idea it was going to be THAT much fun. It was. 🙂

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LOOK FOR NEWS OF NEW JERSEY BILLBOARDS “Free Shaneen From Unfair Prosecution.”

John -You are the first responders.  That is hardly news to our listeners, but it is wonderfully refreshing to hear it from the county coroner in Winston County, Mississippi. Coroner Scott Gregory is fed up with the rash of home and car burglaries in the Louisville, Mississippi  area.  He posted on his facebook page “sit down before you read this.  I’m not encouraging anyone to go on a killing spree. If more folks would handle their own business, I think we would stop getting these calls of houses being broken into.  I say shoot the idiots and call the coroner!”  40 year old Scott Gregory isn’t your average coroner. He’s has been a radio host for 20 years and how hosts a morning show on a classic rock station.  He was a fireman and funeral home worker and was elected coroner in 2003.

Rob – Our listeners are also the first responders to defend our rights.  We received a message from the Minnesota gun owners political action committee.  Anti-self-defense activist Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly have been spreading their anti-gun money around the Minnesota election.  Giffords and Kelly spent more than $130,000 on a direct mail campaign supporting anti-gun politicians in Minnesota.

We will lose our right of self-defense if we sit back and do nothing.  Sending 15 dollars a year to the NRA is not enough.  Are you registered to vote?  Do you support and volunteer your time to candidates who defend your human rights?  The election season is here.

Rachel – Here is more on politics.  We reported a month ago when Washington DC lost a court decision.  The court told them to allow concealed carry for residents and visitors.  Mayor Vincent C. Gray, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson and council member Tommy Wells will announce details of the gun-carry proposal today.  We know the city council will put barriers in the way of concealed carriers.  Preliminary reports show the city will adopt a restrictive “demonstrated need” approach to concealed carry.  This is modeled after the laws of Hawaii, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

DC residents would have to complete the onerous DC firearms permit process as well as additional safety and training requirements.  City officials say the bill will meet the letter of the law since they will “provide a means for those responsible and suitable firearms owners who can show they have a legitimate need for it to obtain a permit to carry a weapon in public in a concealed manner.”  The city’s police chief would have the authority to deny concealed-carry permits to those who don’t meet the standards.  Permit holders would also be barred from carrying guns in locations including government buildings, public transportation, bars and restaurants, stadiums and places where public officials need to be protected.

John – We have sore news on Panera Cafe.  Panera came out with an anti-gun stand last week when they “requested” that patrons leave their guns at home.  You and I resent the request to be disarmed victims.  We are not alone.  A poll by CNBC proves that point again.  By a ten-to-one ratio, respondents said this decision by Panera Bread Cafes made them think worse of Panera.  Only 9 percent approved the decision.  THAT is news you won’t hear on NBC or in a press release from a Bloomberg astroturf group.

rob – Kochanski’s Concertina Beer Hall was robbed a year ago.  Three men walked into the bar and staged a robbery.  Two of them were armed.  The bar owner shot two of them and killed one of the robbers before the thieves ran away.  100 people celebrated the event this year at Kochanski’s by taking a free concealed carry training class.

Rachel comment- I read the old article about the robbery and self-defense shooting and there were hundreds of comments in support.

John comment- this really is a neighborhood bar.  This is the second concealed carry class they had in the bar.  They had the first class nine days after the shooting last year.

Rachel- Voters in Alabama will vote on a state constitutional amendment designed to protect their right to bear arms for self-defense.  The amendment would preserve their legal rights even if the Second Amendment of the US Constitution were overturned or limited by federal judges.  If federal courts said that sheriffs could deny the right to bear arms, then the Alabama constitution would limit the right of state officials to infringe the right to legally bear arms.

John – Gun Quotes

The show used to be called politics and guns, and we are a few weeks away from the next election.  Our quote is “If your answer to every failure of government is MORE government, then you are like an alcoholic trying to drink yourself sober,” said Will Spencer

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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John Pierce- Washington initiative 594.  Assault weapons bans have failed.  Assault weapons were never a problem.  Gun control advocates now want to impose “universal background checks”.   Background checks are a way to register firearms.  This also requires a background check for any “transfer”.  594 increases the waiting period from 5 days to 10 days for all handguns.  A SBR requires a transfer.  They want to make firearms ownership too cumbersome to be practical.  Every firearm in the state requires registration.  This law does not read like the rest of Washington legislation.  It looks like this law was copied from New York legislation.

-DC proposes more regulation for concealed carry.  We have a statement of intent from the DC city council.  They want a “may issue” system based on an immediate need.  You need prior police reports to justify your future need.  The need requirement was approved by the 4th circuit court.  Reciprocity would depend on demonstrated need as well.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Stupid runs in this family.  Three men cased a Houston convenience store.  One came back wearing a mask and waving a shotgun at the owner and his family.  That is when 20-year-old Usman Seth snatched the 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun out of his father’s hands and shot the thief.  The thief fired back while Seth yelled at the thief to drop his weapon.  Seth finally shot him again and killed him.  Paramedics removed the thief’s mask and the store employees recognized the thief.  The thief’s brother came to the store the next day and threatened to murder the family.  The store had been robbed several times before.

Rob Comment- I hope the Houston police put the fear of death into the thiefs family.

John – Comment- it won’t be long until the dead robber’s family claim he was a good person and was turning his life around.

Rob – 60 year old Todd Taylor went to his estranged wife’s home in Swatara, Pennsylvania.  He fired several times at her home with his shotgun.  He walked inside and shot through doors, wounding people barricaded inside.  The homeowner’s nephew fled the house, but then returned and shot Taylor.  The nephew then disarmed Taylor and waited for police to arrive.  County prosecutors will not file charges.

John?- An employee for an armored car company walked up to a bank in Lakewood, Washington.  He noticed a man wearing an obvious disguise standing outside the bank.  Instead of entering the bank, he contacted another armored car employee inside.  As the armored car guard approached from inside the bank, the robber drew his weapon and fired.  The guard fired in self-defense.  The robber was hit in the head and the thigh, but managed to limp to a getaway car.  The criminal was later dumped at a near by hospital and rushed into surgery.  Police are looking for the female driver of the getaway car.

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Listener e-mail discussion

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I did a post on Saturday morning about an offer from the Americans for Responsible Solutions – the Gabby Giffords – Mark Kelly organization. They were giving away a copy of their new book for a donation of ANY size. I gave them $1 and think that it will cost them about $7 plus for the book and postage. As Mike Vanderboegh said, quoting Chairman Mao, it is the duty of every guerrilla to sap the strength of his enemy by existing off that enemy’s substance. As I said, that is $6 plus dollars that won’t be going to their anti-gun cause.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.