Episode 434 – Paul Valone

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Paul Valone

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

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1- Introduction

Belle: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, December 18th, 2017 I’m Belle McCormack

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Paul Valone about HR 38.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the call from a Cook County commissioner for the UN to intervene in Chicago due to the violence.

Amy: I’m Amy Dillon, and also tonight we will talk about hotels beginning to electronically scan for concealed firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU we talk about convenience store clerks that defended themselves with a firearm… so climb aboard

Amy: strap in

John : and hang on!

Belle:  episode 434 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I’ve had a busy week.  I joined Bill Frady on his Lock and Load Radio program. We talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I was on Steve Pauwels’ Striker Radio to talk about gun culture. I was also on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters, and we talked about the death threats leveled against the women who advocate for self-defense.  Tom Gresham also retweeted one of my blog posts. I carried every day and got to eat breakfast with a traveling firearms instructor.  Thank you, Tracy Thronburg.  How about you, John?

 

John – Congratulations on the retweet. I hope it drove readers to your blog.  I received my media badge for the SHOT Show and Industry Day at the Range as did my wife. It is hard to believe that it starts in little more than a month. I had a nice discussion on training and carry with a client and friend who is a lesbian. Her partner is still wary of firearms and we discussed some of the things to help. Other than that, we’ve just been getting ready for Christmas like everyone else.

 

Gary

 

Amy –  Unfortunately, I have been busy these past few weeks taking care of family emergencies, which is why I have been unable to record the past few podcasts. But, I do want to thank everyone who has reached out to check in with me, and while my family still has a lot to deal with moving forward, I am back at work and making plans to get ready for SHOT show and the rest of 2018.

 

Tracy- I just got back from the MAG-120. This was my most favorite class EVER! We shot double and triple speed qualifications, long gun qualifications, shot the Florida Department of Law Enforcement qualification, got to shoot from a moving vehicle, had a night shoot, performed handgun retention and disarming maneuvers every day, had a 4-hour block of Kubaton (™) instruction on the last day of class, and had great guest instructors. I was also the class champion for the handgun sniper shoot. My STI Trojan ran great. I can’t wait until the MAG-180 in June of next year. I also got to have breakfast with one of my favorite podcasters yesterday. It’s always good to see you, Rob.

 

Belle- Shot an IDPA match in Renton. I did pretty decent. No major mistakes and no gun or ammo issues, for once, thankful for that! Going to try and get out next weekend for another IDPA match. Have to get as much competition as I can before training season starts in the spring and i’m working weekends again.

 

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2- News

Rob- CHICAGO COMMISSIONER CALLS FOR THE UN TO HELP SOLVE CITY SHOOTINGS EPIDEMIC

 

We have all heard of the high numbers of gang and drug related shootings that take place in subsections of Chicago. Now, Chicago’s Cook County Commissioner Richard Boykin has called for the United Nations to intervene in the city.

 

Commissioner Boykin met recently with the UN’s Assistant Secretary General Oscar Fernandez-Taranco, in New York to discuss the “quiet Genocide” in Chicago’s black community.

 

Saying that “The United Nations has a track record of protecting minority populations” Commissioner Boykin said “we have to do something.. black people make up 30% of the population in Chicago, but 80% of those killed by guns.”

 

When asked if he would welcome foreign troops on the streets of Chicago, Commissioner Boylin replied “I’m talking about whoever the UN would decide to send in.. He may  have some ideas about how we get peace in these communities.”, continuing “We can’t wait for the mayor to put another 1,000 police officers on the streets..”

 

STOP PRESS UPDATE:

Commissioner Boylin confirms that the UN will “accept an invitation” from the city to visit, once a youth violence study is completed.

 

We’d like to know what we think of our cities officials calling for the UN to solve problems here in the USA that those cities’ elected officials seemingly cannot.

 

SOURCES

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-met-boykin-un-1215-chicago-inc-20171214-story.html

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/12/14/richard-boykin-united-nations-gun-violence/

 

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/top-un-officials-to-visit-chicago-to-address-violence-problem

 

John- The UN protects minority populations? Tell that to the Tutsis in Rwanda.

Gary-

Rob- Politicians need excuses once they hollow out their city. The UN is only an excuse.

 

John – Rahm needs to read the constitution regarding freedom of travel. I’m going to a meeting – unfortunately – in Chicago in March 2018. I’m just thrilled.

 

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John – HOTELS TO BEGIN ELECTRONIC SCANNING FOR CONCEALED FIREARMS

 

Following the recent Las Vegas atrocity, where 59 concertgoers were killed by a murderer shooting from a hotel window, One hotel has decided to use  radar to scan their guests at checkin for the presence of concealed handguns and other firearms.

 

The Westgate Las Vegas Resort and Casino has deployed a weapon detection device made by the Canadian company PatriotOne Technologies. This technology scans customers without their knowledge or consent. The devices are so small that they can even be installed in hotel room doors.

 

The Chief Operating Officer at the Westgate LAs Vegas, Mr Mark Waltrip, says that the hotel will have a 100% scan rate of all guests in order to “maintain a safe environment”

 

SO, listeners, what are they going to do when Shot Show comes around in January?

 

SOURCES

 

https://www.ammoland.com/2017/12/westgate-installs-gun-detecting-device-without-informing-guest/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork#axzz50zjC6lfX

 

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/gun-detection-system-being-tested-at-the-westgate/880161049

 

Amy – I wonder if the hotels that use this will be required to post that they are doing this. Seems like an invasion of privacy and I would not choose to stay at these hotels.

Rob- False positives and security screening.

 

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Amy- NANCY PELOSI GETS THREE PINOCCHIOS FOR HER REMARKS ON THE NATIONAL RECIPROCITY BILL

 

Following the passing of HR38 through the House, Senate Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi went on record preaching doom, gloom and the end of civilization as we know it over Twitter and other social media platforms.

 

Stating that the new Bill would “invite violent criminals, convicted stalkers and domestic abusers to carry concealed weapons.” Minority Leader Pelosi ranted with demonstrably false and self-contradicting statements.

 

Now, the Washington Post has awarded her three Pinnochios for lack-of-facts. We wonder how many are in her collection.

 

SOURCES

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/12/13/fact-checker-3-pinocchios-for-pelosi-on-national-reciprocity-remarks/

 

https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi/status/938544649504993285

 

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John – I have a correction – Nancy is the House Minority Leader.

Rob- Nancy played to her base.

 

Belle – THE FIVE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE NEWTOWN ATROCITY

 

The weekend of December 15th marks the 5th anniversary of the murder of 26 pupils and teachers at the Sandyhook Elementary School, in Newtown Connecticut.

 

Everyone knows the story of what happened. Five years later, schools, parents and local authorities still disagree on how to prepare for such events. Many still use it as a source of political gain and activism.

 

Here at the Podcast we hold out our hearts to the grief of those who lost loved ones and to the bravery of the school staff who stood in defense of those children.

 

SOURCES

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/14/570012324/schools-disagree-over-how-to-prepare-for-active-shooters

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/nyregion/newtown-sandy-hook-five-year-anniversary.html

 

Rob- The first responders at Sandyhook were awesome. No one can do it better. FASTER training. Church training. We all get it..except some big-government politicians and school administrators.

 

Gary-

Rob-

Belle- We have had quite the increase in teaches and church groups who have quietly come in for training here. I have some young friends who are students who have already thought out and committed to the idea of, at the very least, going out fighting.

Rob-

 

Gun Quotes Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Dr. Martin Luther King

 

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3- Interview – Paul Valone, President of Grass Roots North Carolina

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article189621209.html

 

Rob- does this bill create any new government departments? Does it give them any new powers not already written into law?

How do you propose to get CC in the deep blue states?

 

Amy – Paul, what specifically (is there any wording) that you would warn our listeners to look for, or read, in this bill that may not necessarily be what we want when it comes to “national reciprocity?” Do we want the “Fix NICS” associated with it at all?

 

John – Rep. Ted Budd, R-13th NC, has a dear colleague letter going around saying that the Fix NICS should be kept separate. Do you think will go anywhere?

 

John – Do you think the Senate will have enough votes to even pass reciprocity with or without Fix NICS?

 

4- Interview 2

 

Belle -5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Rob- Oak Park, Illinois

When armed robberies become common place, you must protect yourself.  In the first 10 months of 2017, Oak Park, Illinois has had 47 reported armed robberies and 40 more unarmed robberies.

A week ago at the 7-Eleven, three people entered the store and at least one of them displayed a weapon.  They were wearing masks or bandanas and demanded cash from the clerk.  The clerk was armed legally and opened fire on the three, leaving one in critical condition laying on the store floor.

Just the previous week, the same store was robbed at gunpoint in the middle of the afternoon.  A man entered the store, showed a small handgun and ordered the cashiers to put money in a bag.  The workers removed $147 from the register, put it in a plastic bag and put the cash on the counter.  The man grabbed the bag and left the store.

In that case, no one got hurt, but that won’t always be the case.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-park-shooting-20171212-story.html

Gary- The Oak Park police chief and mayor said it was unfortunate that the thief was shot. These government officials did not celebrate that the clerk went home alive. The victim attitude is spreading.

John – Oak Park used to ban handguns just like Chicago.

Rob-

Belle- Mas says you should NEVER apologize for surviving.

 

Amy- Columbia, Missouri

When Levi Strodman’s wife heard a knock at the door, she told him about it.  He grabbed his pistol and went to the door to see who was there.  Of course, we call it POGO.

When he got to the door, the peep hole was obstructed but he thought is was just one of the neighbors having some fun.  He cracked the door open, but it was not a neighbor.  It was an armed intruder.  The thug rushed the door and Strodman fought back and had stopped him when the criminal presented his firearm.

The homeowner lost his footing and fell down the stairs, but as he did, he fired two shots at the would be intruder.  The intruder valued life more than whatever the Strodman’s owned and ran from the scene.

Former prosecutor Bill Tackett commented that it was a textbook case of Missouri’s Castle Doctrine and stand your ground in action.

Under castle doctrine, a homeowner, or someone allowed to be in the home like a babysitter, has the legal right to defend themselves using deadly force when faced with a threatening trespasser. Stand your ground says people no longer have to retreat from danger before shooting in any place where they have a legal right to be.

The homeowner stated he only saw one person but a witness reported to police that they saw two people.

Police brought in a K9 unit to try to track down the suspects.  There was no indication whether the intruder was hit by either of the shots.

http://www.abc17news.com/news/crime/homeowner-shoots-at-would-be-robbers-during-attempted-home-invasion/667080243

 

Gary-

 

Rob- Can’t retreat when you’re flat on your back.

 

Gary – Glenpool, Oklahoma

A Tulsa man attempted to rob a Glenpool convenience store but the tables got turned on him.

Ezell Brown entered the store, pointed a gun at the clerk and told him that he would kill him if he didn’t give him the money.  The clerk did just that.

Gary Adams then grabbed the crook’s gun and a baseball bat and chased Brown outside where he held him until police arrived.

As the clerk kept the robber in place, Brown kept telling him that “I have a gun.”  Adams said, “If you pull a gun, I am going to shoot you with the gun that I have of yours.”

The hapless robber was booked on multiple charges including attempted robbery.

http://www.newson6.com/story/37064672/man-arrested-after-dropping-gun-during-glenpool-robbery-attempt

 

Rob-

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Amy- no e-mails tonight, but I do want to encourage our listeners to join our discussion and email us at onair@politesocietypodcast.com

 

Amy: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Gun owners don’t see themselves as police officers. Most of us don’t even see ourselves as gunfighters.  We see ourselves as defenders. The media still thinks the gun-culture is a mix of TV westerns and video games. In reality, we accumulated 50 million man years of legal concealed carry in the last 10 years. My article is called Not a Gunfighter but a Defender-the changing face of gun-culture..and thank you for carrying.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

This is the time of the year where we think about gifting. I suggest that we consider donations to the various non-profit gun rights and gun training organizations.Not only would you be doing something good, you would also get a tax donation. The organizations I suggested range from SAF and the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund to the FASTER Program to Operation Blazing Sword. My post on this includes links to where you can donate.

 

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Belle: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Paul Valone for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, Grant and Rob,

(Belle, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Amy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 430 – Tiffany Johnson, Kenn Blanchard, and Aqil Qadir

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guests Tiffany Johnson, Kenn Blanchard, and Aqil Qadir Pt 1

 

4- Interview Segment 2: Guests Tiffany Johnson, Kenn Blanchard, and Aqil Qadir Pt 2

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6- Email and Show Close:

 

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1- Introduction

Tracy: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, November 20th, 2017 , I’m Tracy Thronburg

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with three black firearms instructors about black gun clubs.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Boston Globe’s demand we just turn in our guns.

 

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about why you don’t post everything to social media… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Tracy:  episode 430 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I joined Bill Frady on his Lock and Load Radio program. I’m now a regular guest on the first hour of Tuesday evening. Ben Branam joined me for another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

John – I’ve been transcribing my notes from MAG-20. I need to get out to the range but I’ve been slack on that lately. I’ve been working on my annual Black Friday/Cyber Monday post. Given the state of the gun market, I think there will be some real bargains out there.

 

Tracy – I gave a couple of handgun lessons last week, and yesterday I replaced the mag catches in two of my 1911s with right-sided mag catches, on the recommendation of Karl Rehn, because of my freakishly short thumbs. Stay tuned for updates on how my magazine changes are coming along. Yesterday was the first time I have ever attempted any type of gunsmithing on my firearms, and the first time I have ever used LocTite, so I am rather pleased with myself.

 

Gary-

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Tracy – I’m teaching a MAG-20 range class on Jan. 27-28, 2018 at www.krtraining.com at KR Training.

Gary – December 9-10 BOGO Concealed Carry Class http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

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2- News

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/11/10/hand-over-your-weapons/6IxJLanMKGak7RvCLipwbN/story.html

It must be nice to write for the mainstream media. It is so much easier to tell a good story when you don’t let the facts get in the way.  The boston globe reported that there is an epidemic of firearms violence in the US. They said there is a growing movement for mass confiscation.  The staff at the polite society podcast wants to know when we get to report without facts.

 

There is not an epidemic of violence across the US. There isn’t even an epidemic of mass murder with firearms.  Our failed socialist cities are violent. Even in those cities, violence is localized to drug turf wars. A number of law enforcement agencies report that we don’t have a firearms violence epidemic.  We don’t even have a drug epidemic. They say we have a drug prohibition epidemic.

 

Compared to other countries, the US firearms homicide rate is average. What isn’t average is localized violence. More than half of our murders occur in 2 percent of our counties. When we exclude a few socialists cities here in the US, then we’re one of the safest countries on earth.

 

When you look at mass public murder by firearm, the US rate isn’t even in the top 10 nations. The US and Austria are 11 and 12. The reason this is so significant is that these mass murder rates exclude government genocide. Government is far more lethal than an armed populous. Here in the US, we have the best of both worlds. We have a low rate of murder and mass murder, diversity of opinion, contentious political freedom, freedom from democide, and an armed populous.

 

Also, there is growing support for going armed, and declining support for an assault weapons ban. That isn’t our opinion, but the results of a pew research poll. You didn’t hear that from the Boston Globe or the New York Times.

Now if only we could clean up Chicago and Saint Louis.

 

Gary Gun Quotes

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical world. Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Tiffany Johnson, Kenn Blanchard, and Aquil Qadir..

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3- Interview 1

Tiffany Johnson of the Gun Blog Variety Cast,

Kenn Blanchard from Black Man With a Gun,

And Aqil Qadir (Akeel Kadear) from Citizens Safety Academy.

All of them are black firearms instructors.

Black gun clubs

A gateway, a stepping stone, or a destination.

Any questions?

 

4- Interview 2

 

Rob- 5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Gary- Careful What You Post

Nick Davis had a successful night at the casino.  And like so many, he posted on social media about his winnings.

Cashmiere Hill saw Mr. Davis post and thought it would be a way to gain some extra cash in his own pocket.

Davis was laying down when he heard glass breaking in his kitchen.  He went to investigate and found a black male trying to get into his house.  The man yelled at him to “give me your [expletive] money,” and then fired a shot at Davis.  That shot struck him in the wrist.  Nick fired back in self-defense, he thinks 8 rounds, and struck the intruder who fell back into the stairwell.  Mr. Davis then called 911 and yelled to neighbors for help.  Hill died at the scene.

Tory Summers has told police that he called Davis to make sure he was home then drove Hill to a spot about 2 blocks from the residence.  Hill had told him that he was going to rob Davis and he wanted Summers to pick him up.  When he heard shots coming from the direction of the residence, he left.

He is charged armed robbery, armed burglary, and felony murder.

 

John – Mr. Summers needed to pick better friends

 

Tracy- Heros run toward trouble

5:30 AM can be a good time to go for a run in Austin Texas but the sun doesn’t begin to rise for another hour and a half in September.

A young woman was out for a run last month then she was grabbed from behind by a sexual predator and then fell to the ground with her on her back and the suspect on top of her.  He put his hand over her mouth and kept saying “shh, it’s me baby, it’s me.”  She continued to struggle and tried to use a whistle she carried.

Another jogger who leaves the house prepared heard the victim scream and ran toward her to help.  He was armed with a firearm, flashlight and cell phone.  He pointed his flashlight in the direction of the screams and saw the victim on her back and her attacker on his left side on top of her.

He aimed his gun at the predator and demanded he get off the victim.  The man stood up and was naked from the waist down.  The woman took advantage of her attacker getting up to get up as well and walk toward the jogger.  She did not realize he was armed because she was blinded by his flashlight.  As she walked across the line of fire, the attacker fled with the woman’s shoes and shorts.

She and the hero jogger were able to pick the man from a photo lineup and he has been arrested.

 

Rob- The attacker was a homeless person with a history of exposing himself. Why did the victim choose to go unarmed?

 

Rob City on Lockdown

Last week, the town of Ortonville, Michigan, north of Pontiac, was put on lockdown after Michael Quigley went on the run.

Quigley was distraught that his wife had filed for divorce and had tracked them down at her male friend’s apartment in the small town on Tuesday evening.  He forced his way in and shot both of them.  They were rushed to the hospital with gunshot wounds to the head.  The male friend’s daughter was home at the time but unhurt.

Wednesday morning the local schools were closed or were on lockdown.  The manhunt was on.

Late Wednesday evening he was found hiding in a van in a Brandon Township driveway.  The homeowner opened the back door of the vehicle and found the wanted man hiding under a blanket.  The homeowner had his 9MM pointed at Quigley and the man did everything that he was told to do.  He ordered him down to the ground then called 911 and within two minutes, the SWAT team came out of the woods from every direction.

Quigley’s estranged wife and her friend were in intensive care but in stable condition and were able to talk to police.  Quigley was being held on $8 million bond and was facing numerous charges including attempted murder.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/the-invisible-hands-of-god-and-man/

 

Rob-

Millions of parishioners, pastors and church elders woke up to a new world after the murders at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. They felt the responsibility to keep their families and their congregations safe. We bring every problem with us to church.  Fortunately, we also bring solutions. We are god’s hands, so it is up to us to stop violence when it comes to church. We are already doing so, and have been for years. You probably won’t notice it, but the change is very real and already underway.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

I have been looking at the murders in Rancho Tehama Reserve, California and in Sutherland Springs, Texas. Both sets of murders were done by people who were prohibited persons and both might have been prevented if government had done its job correctly. In the California case, the police had reports from neighbors of the guy shooting in his yard even though he had an order prohibiting him from possessing a firearm. They did nothing about it. In the Sutherland Springs case, we know the Air Force failed to submit the killer’s name to the FBI for inclusion in the NICS database. However, it is actually worse than that. The court martial only gave the guy one year imprisonment and not the eight allowed under the UCMJ. In a NC court, he would have been looking at over 10 years. Either way the killer would still be behind bars. Frankly, I think the USAF just want to get rid of the guy and thus foisted him upon the civilian population. As Dave Hardy titled his new book, “I’m from the government and I’m here to kill you.”

 

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Tracy: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Tiffany Johnson, Kenn Blanchard, and Aqil Qadir for joining us today.  So for Paul, Amy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 424 – GRPC / Amm-Con 2017

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Yehuda Remer Interview:

5 Tiffany Johnson and Bob Mayne Interview

6 Charlie Cook Interview

7 Ben Branam Interview

8 Various GRPC Interviews

9-Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, October 4th, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse we will talk about this past weekend’s GPRC in Dallas

John: I’m John Richardson,We will also talk about the 1st annual AMM-con

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty  and we will discuss the attacks in Las Vegas and Nashville, so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 424 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob

John

Rachel

Gary

Amy

Tracy

Belle

Paul/Susan

 

News-

Attack in Las Vegasthe killing of 59 people and injury of 527 concert goers

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201710/las-vegas-and-the-myth-the-out-character-crime

“Rarely, if ever, is it a case of a “good guy” suddenly gone bad. As the investigation proceeds, more information will come to light revealing now unknown aspects of the Las Vegas murderer’s personality and motives. And we will see that the attack was in fact “in character.”

 

Paul: I want to talk bump fire stocks for a bit

 

Ammcon-

Rob-

 

Grpc-

Rob-

 

Attack in Nashville-

 

Gun Quotes- What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended?  Alex Rawls

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about the attack in Las Vegas.  We don’t know much about the shooter, but we sure learned a great deal about the anti-rights media and politicians.  I said that governments are far more dangerous than criminals, than accidents, and more dangerous than mass murderers.  Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Rob-

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 423 – Brian Hill, Marty Hayes, and Marcus Weldon

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Brian Hill

4- Interview Segment 2: Marty Hayes

5- Interview Segment 3: Marcus Allen Weldon

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on September 21, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marcus Allen about being wrongly prosecuted in Detroit.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Due Process Failure in Kentucky.

Amy: I’m Amy Dillon and we’ll also talk about a court case in Utah saying employees don’t have to take a bullet for the company.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack and we’ll talk about a DGU from Washington State where a homeowner credits training for no shots being fired… so climb aboard

Amy: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 423 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Live fire training with a student. I recorded Tracy on Self-Defense Gun Stories. Carried every day.

 

I heard from Jeff and Robyn Street. They live in Naples Florida and went through the eye of hurricane Irma. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet.

 

John- As regular listeners to the show know, my wife and I love to visit thrift stores and church bazaars. This weekend I picked up a tennis racquet carry bag with a shoulder strap which I intend to convert to a covert bag for either a folded stock rifle or my AR15 pistol. So for $1 plus some cheap foam I will have a carry bag that lets me go about my business without frightening the hoplophobes,

(Rob- Hey, Bugsy, don’t touch my lucky tennis racket.)

 

Amy – Recovering from recent hurricanes in the SouthEast! Scheduling my training classes for the upcoming 4th quarter, working on redesigning my website CCWstyle.com, and gearing up and training for the 3-Gun Nation Regionals in Virginia on Nov 10th. I’m excited to be headed to Dallas next week for the Gun Rights Policy Conference! I’m driving from South Carolina to attend!

 

Belle- Got the new 2018 schedule up on the website for FAS, very busy at t

e Network and getting ready for Farnum’s Urban Rifle course this weekend.

Rob- So I’m in the special class again.  Darn it.

 

Paul/Susan Amm-Con and GRPC planning

 

Patches!!If you are attending the upcoming Gun Rights Policy Conference in Dallas, we will have PSP patches available for purchase. Cost is $10 each. If you can’t make GRPC, you can still buy a patch by emailing john@politesocietypodcast.com. We accept PayPal or checks.

 

Should our friends bring their headsets?

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

Patches!!!

Break

 

2- News 1

Due Process Failure

When the Police State is running things you must be careful.  We are not talking about being questioned at a train station in East Germany during the Cold War.  We are talking about the treatment of American citizens by federal authorities.  The case of Gerardo Serrano is a textbook example.

Mr. Serrano lives on a farm in Kentucky.  He unsuccessfully ran for the US House in 2014 as a pro-Second Amendment candidate.  He is licensed to carry and typically conceals his Sig Sauer .380 caliber pistol.

Mr. Serrano decided to drive to Mexico for a visit with his cousin in September 2015.  Along the way, he took pictures with his phone to document his journey.  Everything was going swimmingly until he reached the border crossing in Eagle Pass, Texas.  He held his phone out the window and captured an image of the Customs Agents in the vicinity.  The photo depicts the two agents holding their hands up in an apparent attempt to prevent him from taking their picture.  The agents then directed Mr. Serrano to the side of the road and asked him to surrender his phone.  He refused to comply.

 

The agents then opened the door to the new Ford F-250, unbuckled his seat belt and removed him from the truck.  His phone was seized and the agents demanded his phone’s passcode.  Again, Serrano refused to comply.  His truck was searched and a loaded six round .380 magazine was found in the center console.  He was detained for three hours and was told he was free to go.  However, his truck was not free to go.  Serrano then rented a car and drove back to his Kentucky home.

 

The authorities seized Mr. Serrano’s truck under federal asset forfeiture.  The truck was considered a “conveyance of illegal exportation.”  Of course, these types of findings are normally made once someone crosses into Mexico.  It seems that the border agents don’t like to have their picture taken.

Mr. Serrano requested a trial to resolve this matter on September 7.  His other options were to pay a ransom to the agency in the amount of $4,000 (10% of the value) or just let them have it.  It will be interesting to see how this works out for Mr. Serrano.

 

John – As bad as this is, Mr Serrano just lost a truck. The SAF has filed an amicus brief in a case out of Florida where the District Ct said you can have either your 2nd rights or your 4th amendment rights but not both. A man answered the door at 1:30am with a handgun in his hand. He was shot and killed by the cops who knocked and then shot when he answered the door. They were seeking info on a motorcycle parked near his house.

 

Rob- John, I disagree, but I hope he hasn’t lost a truck, but I agree this is abusive prosecution, and the so called civil rights activists are silent..because the victim was a gun owner.  Why is the Trump administration continuing the prosecution of this legal case?

 

Cleanup in Aisle 14

The Utah Supreme Court sided with a group of Wal-Mart workers who were fired for defending themselves when they were assaulted by an armed shoplifter.  Six workers were fired after they fought with a shoplifter who pulled a gun on them inside the Layton Wal-Mart.  The company had claimed the employees violated Wal-Mart’s policy of disengaging, withdrawing and alerting authorities. During a hearing, Utah Supreme Court Justice Christine Durham bluntly asked if an employer should be able to fire somebody “for refusing to take a bullet for the company?”

 

The court said, “Utah law reflects a policy favoring the right of self-defense.  That public policy is an exception to the at-will employment, but only under the narrow circumstances where an employee cannot withdraw.”

 

In practical terms, this means the employees can sue Walmart for unfair termination.

Amy –

Rob-

 

Gun Quotes

People with armed security should not lecture the rest of us about gun control.

Source unknown.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Marcus Weldon).

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3- Interview 1- Marcus Allen Weldon

You were arrested after a self defence incident.  You were wearing a santa suit, so this was christmas of what year?

You were arrested and charged.

When did you get a not guilty verdict?

It cost you about how much to defend yourself?

And that was the end of it?

Are we sure that it is taken care of now?

What would you tell your 26 year old self?

Get insurance.

Practice closing your mouth until you talk to your lawyer.

 

4- Interview 2

Brian Hill-

Rob- We’re not violent.  We don’t recognize violence until it is in our face.

 

Marty Hayes-

Rob-

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Training Training Training

A Marysville Washington homeowner credits his training for a no shots fired DGU.

Sunday night just after midnight, Joe Hemrich was awake and sitting in his living room when he heard a noise outside.  He turned on his surveillance cameras but did not see anything.  Not knowing what it was, he went to investigate.  He found a man in his driveway under his carport.  The area appeared to be ransacked and the man looked to be holding a baton or a stick.

Four feet away from the man was his child’s bedroom.  Up until recently, the 70 degree temps meant that the bedroom windows were open at night.

Hemrich drew his weapon and ordered the man back.  The man dropped this baton and backed up and even got down on the ground when ordered to do so.

The father of three held his stance in the doorway, holding the pistol he has owned and trained with for 12 years on the criminal with four warrants out for his arrest and happened to be on the lam.

“This is the first time in my life it has ever come out of the holster when I wasn’t at a range,” he said.  “I train so I know exactly where it is, exactly how to pull it out, whether my finger is going on the trigger.”

He stated that the extensive training allowed him to focus on the subject in front of him and not on his gun.

“I carry a firearm to protect myself, my family, my community with the intentions of never having to use it,” he said.

The surveillance video was still rolling when it captured Hemrich walk the suspect at gunpoint to the front yard, ordering him to the ground and holding him until police arrived about five minutes after the altercation began.

Marysville police said he did everything right and most importantly, he complied with the officer’s commands when they arrived on the scene.

POGO once again is proven to work.

Amy- Great example of effective training

Rob-

Leave your Ex alone

Nothing good happens after midnight.  And nothing good happens when you go to your ex-girlfriend’s home after midnight.

Christopher Carter showed up at his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend’s home just before 4 AM this last weekend.  An argument erupted and shots were fired.  Police said that Carter shot both his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend.  She was shot in the leg and he was shot in the arm.

The boyfriend went in the house, grabbed a pistol and shot Carter.  Carter was pronounced dead at the scene.

The couple were treated and released at the local hospital.

The Athens Alabama police chief stated that they had reviewed the evidence and statements were taken.  The investigation will continue for several weeks but they believe they have a case of self-defense.  The case will be handed to the County district attorney and will probably go to grand jury.

John –

They always say he shouldn’t have been shot

In Laplace Louisiana last week Kalvin Ferrygood tried to break into a home.  When the homeowner heard two voices in the back of his house, he went to the door to see what was happening.  That was when Ferrygood forced his way into the home.  The homeowner defended himself and opened fire.

Saint James Parrish Sheriff’s deputies found a gun in the backyard which they believe belonged to one of the two intruders.  They also stated there is video evidence of what happened.

Ferrygood had just been released from jail four months ago after being arrested for shooting five people on Christmas Eve 2008 at a night club in the Parish.

Ferrygood’s family was defending him.  They stated that the mojo had him running and that he wouldn’t break in or hurt anyone.  As stated, the video shows differently.  Mojo is a synthetic marijuana which has been known to cause erratic behavior and even cause death.

According to the Parish Sheriff’s office, the homeowner acted in self-defense and he was not arrested.  They are working to identify the second subject.

Rob- Good job having a gun ready when you need it.

John – not meant for human consumption

Don’t Judge a Book by Its Cover

79 year-old James Noah and 77 year-old Barbara Melton were inside their apartment on a Saturday afternoon when there was a knock on the door.  Melton answered the knock and two men shoved her aside and forced their way inside.

The two men started assaulting Noah with a blunt object.  But, Noah was practicing POGO and was able to draw his handgun from his waistband and fired one shot.  He hit his 26 year-old assailant in the head.

The second would-be robber fled the scene after his partner was shot.  The first robber was alive with life-threatening injuries.

According to a neighbor, Noah was a vet and had training which kicked in during the encounter.  Noah was recovering but had some bruising on his face.  No criminal charges will be sought against him.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

Listener Kay writes in

 

Hello gang!

 First off thank you for the wonderfully informative podcast! since I started listening roughly a year ago I have yet to miss an episode.

 I just listened to your segment with Paul Martin on being prepared. As Paul spoke about having friends in the Salt Lake Valley who are prepared but do not consider themselves “preppers” it dawned on me that We who live in Utah are just that. I did not realize that it has become a way of life here. Now I, not being of the Mormon faith, but lived here almost all of my 40 years,pick up on these ideals because it is a way of life here. But the Idea of food storage here is not just for doom and gloom. As the Mormon church teaches, it is to be self sufficient, in case of loss of job, accident, etc. that may keep you from having funds to feed the family.

 

Our food storage consists of canned at home, re-fried beans, whole beans, rice, powdered milk, and wheat. very little is store bought “canned” items. We also have bottled (a lost art in some areas of the nation) mirepoix (onions, celery, carrots in chicken stock) for soups and the like, for each member of our family we have no less than a weeks worth of food on hand.

 

 Due to the fact that we live in Southern Utah, which is high desert, we get a variance of weather. In the summer temps reach 110+ and in the winter can reach freezing during the night. we generally have on hand 2 gallons of water per individual per day for just as many weeks as food. Sounds like overkill to some but to us it is might be enough.This is just if we decide to barricade and ride out the problem. If we must bug out we have backpacks for each individual containing enough food water and first aid for three days. we also carry a field medical bag with surgical kit. To top it off, each family member has a primary and secondary firearm system with ammo to spare. As far as training is concerned, local meetings happen quite regularly for first aid, canning and bottling and general food storage.

 

   In just our neighborhood alone there are a plethora of different skill sets among the neighbors and we all know each other well. With local parties and gatherings that are usually put on by the Mormon Church you get to know the people around you very well creating almost a band of families you can trust. As I write this we do sound a tad crazy but better to have it and not need, it than need it and not have it.

 

Rob- What a wonderful neighborhood.

Amy – Not crazy, very prepared! For example, when a natural disaster happens, grocery stores are emptied, and supplies are hard to find.

John – I worry about my daughters and their families. We preach that they need to have extra food. I may finally be getting through to one of my sil who is diabetic.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- We recently found out that the election last november in New Hampshire was probably a fraud.  New Hampshire has same day registration, and more than five thousand voters entered New Hampshire to cast their vote on election day, and then never became state residents.  New Hampshire voted for Hillary by a margin of only 2700 votes.  They elected a democrat senator with a margin of 1100 votes.  Yep, that is the definition of fraud.  Dr John Lott proposed a solution.

 

We already have a national instant background check system in place.  Scores of judges already ruled that this particular background check does not infringe on any of our constitutional rights.  This is the background check system we use when an honest citizen buys a firearm.

 

The background check wasn’t an infringement when I had to use it..or so I was told.  Democrats also told us that the instant background check system is necessary to keep felons and illegals from buying guns, and to keep honest gun owners from buying more than one gun a month.  We can use these background check systems today to keep illegals from voting and to keep US citizens from voting more than once.

 

My articles are at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Earlier this week, the Wisconsin Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee approved a bill that would bring constitutional carry to the Badger State. Given that they didn’t get any form of concealed carry until 2011, this is amazing. The chairman of the committee predicts it will pass both houses of the legislature. It is unclear whether Gov. Scott Walker will sign the bill as he has indicated he is happy with the current system. If you live in Wisconsin, you might want to give your governor a call on this. Now if the North Carolina Senate would get their act together on constitutional carry….

Rob-

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Amy have you written anything that you want to mention?

My recent articles have been published on gunware.net. This week I’ll be writing about competitive shooting.  I will also be adding my articles bank to my website ccwstyle.com and linking them there in the future as well.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Amy stay safe,

Belle: be aware

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 422 – Dr John Edeen

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday September 11th , I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with friend of the show and frequent guest Dr John Edeen about a doctor referral service.

Tracy: I‘m Tracy Thronburg , and We will discuss the US Virgin Islands wanting to confiscate guns.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk POGO even at Taco Bell .. so climb aboard

Tracy: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 422 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them), getting

 

Rob- I cut the walls out of a flooded house in Texas.  I also got in some dry fire and life fire practice.  I was going to interview Jeff and Robyn Street for my podcast, but they are busy dodging their own hurricanes.  I was able to donate some money to Marcus Weldon.

 

Gary-

 

Tracy- I just got back from a Ladyseed class this past weekend down by San Antonio, at Tim Crosnoe’s home range. Tim was one of our instructors.  A big word of thanks to Tim and Kristin Crosnoe for putting me up for three nights. I very much enjoyed their company and hospitality. It was a great class. Dr. John Edeen was there and helped out. I’ll tell you, the class is A LOT harder than I expected. In all of the years that I’ve been shooting, never have I fallen asleep on the range, much less during live fire. I’m pleased to report that I finished the class on a high note, with all of my 400-yard shots and the 250-yard head shot on the Redcoat target. While I didn’t make Rifleman this time, I’m looking forward to my next Appleseed class. I can’t let Rachel beat me at anything, and I’ve got my work cut out for me to get to her level of rifle shooting.

 

Paul/Susan-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Aldermen want a ban on weapons at Chicago rallies after Charlottesville violence

Last week, a Chicago Alderman introduced an ordinance in response to the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

The ordinance says that because right-wing “paramilitary militias” carried guns and other weapons at the “Unite the Right” rally that devolved into violence, Chicago police should have explicit power to outlaw weapons at Chicago events.

 

Given that Chicago police can ban loudspeakers and other disruptions, Alderman Edward Burke said in a news release “it seems only fitting that Chicago should also be able to restrict the carrying of weapons during public demonstrations in order to curtail the possibility of violence.”

 

Chicago police already have broad powers about what may or may not be brought to marches and other public gatherings in the city. But the new proposal specifically bans “firearms, knives, weapons, sharp objects, shields, fireworks, chains, bats, clubs, sticks, batons and any other rod-like instrument.”

 

It also allows the Police Department “to determine other items that may not be allowed at an assembly.”

Violators would face fines of $500 to $1,000, and up to 10 days behind bars. The proposal will head to a joint Finance and Public Safety Committee hearing.

 

Rob- This sounds like legislating “pre-crime” to me.  So far we’ve seen communist mayors disarm peaceful protesters while they stood back and let left wing goons beat people up.

 

Any rationalization will do to make chicago citizens vulnerable.  How about we arrest chicago drug gangs and put them in prison.

 

Tracy – Let’s just go ahead and ban car keys while we’re at it (because car keys can be sharp objects) and have everyone take public transportation to the rallies. This is just sad.

 

ELMHURST POLICE: THERE WILL BE NO GUNS AT CONCEALED CARRY CLASS
Safety concerns raised over a planned firearms class qualifying people to carry concealed weapons in Illinois are baseless, according to Elmhurst police chief Michael Ruth. “It’s strictly a classroom environment. There’s no weapons, there’s no firearms, there’s no ammunition. There’s none of those things.”

Social media activity had raised the specter of armed students coming to the classes being offered in the Knights of Columbus Hall.

Brad Carey, who manages hall rentals, was as emphatic as Ruth about the rental by Illinois Concealed Carry, LLC, the organization putting on the classes. “In the contract I had them sign, there’s no ammunition allowed in the hall, there’s no shooting going on.” Carey said. Carey also stated that during the rental the Knights bar will be closed and locked up.

The issue was brought to the attention of the Elmhurst City Council meeting Tuesday when a  resident told council members about their concerns. The resident cited what they claimed were written statements by previous class attendees that they were “required to bring a firearm” and were “required to shoot on the last day of class.”

Ruth and Carey said after a full class day on Saturday, the Sunday classroom work would end at 1 p.m. Participants are expected then to leave Elmhurst for hands-on gun work at an approved firing range outside the city.

Those intending to fire weapons outside Elmhurst after the class must possess a valid Illinois Firearms Owners Identification card issued by the Illinois State Police. Weapons to be transported must be broken down and not easily accessible from within the vehicle.

Paul- Gary, isn’t there a firing portion to the qualification to get an Illinois CCW?

 

Rob- You can smell the stupid from here.  This is really poor journalism.  Someone said shooting is required, so I don’t want a class in my neighborhood.  It just SOUNDS dangerous.

 

In fact, the only point of the mandated training is to dissuade licensed gun owners.

 

Virgin Islands prepares to grab guns ahead of hurricane Irma

On September 4th ahead of the landfall of Hurricane Irma Kenneth Mapp, the Governor of the US Virgin Islands issued a directive that raised quite a few eyebrows. Quoting directly from the 2rd paragraph of the directive.

 

“The Adjutant General is authorized and directed to seize arms, ammunition, explosives, incendiary material and any other property that may be required by the military forces for the performance of this emergency mission”

 

Immediately after some in the media informed the Governor that the Virgin Islands were a territory of the US and were subject to the constitution, including the 2nd amendment, the Gov tried to backpedal and say that he was only authorizing release of weapons from an armory.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

 

Rob- Annex the virgin islands and make them a county in Florida.

Tracy – No, annex them to Illinois!

Rob- notice the difference between this and Texas/Louisiana!

 

Gun Quotes- Can we hate our country enough to change it, and yet love our country enough to think it worth changing?  Misquote of G. K. Chesterton

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with John Edeen.

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3- Interview 2

We’ve heard the claim that “Democrats want your guns”.  I’ve heard it from  republican candidates when they are running for office.  I wanted to know if that was true.

 

That isn’t too hard to do.  We know how many people have concealed carry permits in each state.  We know what the permits costs and if the state doesn’t give permits to ordinary citizens.  We also know the party affiliations of state governments.  All we have to do is put it all together.

 

We see some consistent trends.  Fewer of us get permits when the cost go up.  The more training the state mandates the fewer of us get our permits.  Some states make you take out a newspaper advertisement or call your employer before you can get a permit.  Only judges and politicians get permits in “may issue” states.

 

You’re about three times more likely to get your permit if you live in a republican dominated state than in a democrat dominated state.  If you really want to see political bias then look at the permitting schemes.  The constitutional carry states are republican or neutral.  The may issue states are all democrat controlled.

 

There is one exception. Vermont became democrat controlled and they never have had any gun licensing laws.  They still don’t.

 

I wish it wasn’t so, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes.  Judging by their actions, the democrats want us disarmed.  I wish both political parties defended our rights.

 

See for yourself at my blog, slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

Gary-

 

Tracy- Rob, I’m curious as to which state(s) require you to take out an ad in the local newspaper and/or call your employer because in Texas, being a license to carry holder is private information.

 

4- Interview 1 Dr John Edeen – DRGO.org

2Adoc.com

 

Tracy – Many medical practices are now owned by major healthcare corporations, such as Healthcare Corporation of America. HCA has a policy prohibiting firearms at their facilities. How can we circumvent this? I work for a group of specialty physicians, some of whom are gun owners, but their practice is owned by a large corporation. Are those patients just out of luck?

 

Rob- Doc, why is this necessary?

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

PA Home Invasion

Servando Santos was warned.  After assaulting an elderly lady in Dauphin County PA, he forced his way into a nearby home.  The homeowner confronted Santos and warned him that he was armed.  Santos continued into the home.  The homeowner then fired several shots, one of which hit Santos in the abdomen. He then continued further into the home and struggled with other people before being subdued shortly before police arrived.

Santos continued struggling with officers and was taken into custody.  He was given medical attention at the scene and transported to a local hospital where he died from this wound.

The female from the first residence was in the hospital in critical condition

 

Tracy – what does Farnam say? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

(Farnam says move!)

 

Taco Bell Shooting

Two armed robbers walked into Taco Bell in Cleveland.  It was the middle of the afternoon and they were wearing masks on their faces as if they were acting in an old western.  Instead of a Taco Supreme, they ordered the employees behind the counter to  lie down on the ground.  The robbers were both armed.  Six employees were in the store that evening.

The robbers walked up to the cash registers and three other employees then fired several shots at the two masked men.  They shot one of the robbers 6 times.  The other robber immediately ran from the restaurant.

Police found the first robber laying face up on the floor unconscious with a faint pulse with the loaded gun still in his hand.  He died after being taken to a local hospital.

The second robber had not been apprehended.

Gary –

Tracy – I’m glad to see an employer who lets their employees be armed at work.

Rob- great job.  Work together next time.

 

Indianapolis Carjacking Prevented

Law student Kari Bird was getting out of her car.  She was parked outside her home.  It was almost midnight and a group of 3 or 4 young males approached her.  She didn’t think much about it until one of the robbers presented his firearm and demanded her keys.

Just after handing over her keys, she remembered that all of her very expensive law books were still in her car.  She reacted quickly and drew her own gun from the center console.

The robber said ‘Oh, [expletive]’ , and then ran.

 

Tracy- do we know what state this was in?

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Rob-

 

Spokane Neighbors Stop Burglars

Recently in a close knit Spokane neighborhood a couple was watching TV and noticed by the reflection in the TV that a couple of people were walking up to the house next door.  They didn’t recognize either person and knew that the woman who lived there was not home.

They knew they were going to have problems contacting the neighbor since she had gone to an area of notoriously poor cell service.

Raymond Dupris watched the couple from his window as they walked past the house then came around back through an alley.  The female burglar was pacing around and the next thing Dupris sees is a backpack fly over the fence and the male suspect jumps the fence.  When he broke in the door, Dupris told his wife to call the neighbor from the other side of their home.

The neighbor came over with his gun and Dupris’ wife called Spokane police.

When the burglar tried to exit the home through the bathroom window, the neighbor aimed his gun at him.  He then tried to flee through the front door but was cornered by Dupris and the neighbor.

“He just stopped in his tracks and got down on the ground.  I held him down on the ground and got on him with my knee on the back of his neck and the other neighbor had the gun on him, and we were just waiting for the cops,” Dupris said.

Spokane police arrived quickly and arrested the 21 year-old man.  He make an appearance in court for a residential burglary charge and a $500 bond was set.

 

Tracy – My doors are locked for YOUR protection! I’m also NEVER going to look for trouble. Call 911. This is why we have property insurance.

Rob- I want them to listen to this podcast so they have a plan.  That means they know what to do, and what to not do.

Pistol Packing Mama chases off home invader

Brett Santo walked into Sarah Long’s home in Elyria OH and approached her 15 year-old daughter.  When Long’s 17 year-old saw Santo, she screamed which launched her mother into action.

She grabbed a pistol by her bed and charged Santo but dropped her gun while still in her home.  She and the 17 year old chased Santo out of the house and down the sidewalk until they lost sight of him.

Officers were dispatched to the area on a report of burglary suspect fleeing the area and Long provided a description.

Police found him on a short distance away and during the ride to the station admitted to burglarizing the home.

This was not the first time Long chased Santo from her home.  He entered her home but left when confronted.  This time when he approached her daughter, the mama bear made an appearance.  Her boyfriend had just left the house and had told her to keep the pistol handy.

 

Rob- To give moma bear a bit of credit, maybe she chased her daughter, not the thief.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text Message #1

 

Hey guys

 

I was just wondering how many magazines would recommend someone to have for pistol and rifle?

 

Thanks

Jp

 

Tracy – The more, the better, and remember to buy quality magazines! Your life may depend on it.

Gary –

 

Hal thinks Paul’s choice in guns is… Less than ideal

 

I had just about forgiven Paul for his glock-fan-boy shame since he smarted up and started carrying a S&W Shield and then we came to episode # 412 and the question of BBQ guns. Paul made the statement regarding 1911’s… “I am not a 1911 fan” (gasp!!!) “I do not like them” (heresy!!!) “I think they are very old technology” (that should be stated as ‘have stood the test of time!’) and then, shame of shame “incredibly outdated”… OMG!!! I almost drove right off the dang road! I must admit, he did save a very small bit of face when he described how much he liked the Cabot 1911 with the meteorite grip, I could hear the lust in his voice! That made his previous comments almost bearable! I had to put the torches and the tar and feathers back into the closet that I hide them in and will once again try to find a way to forgive Paul for his blatant sacrilege of not liking a near perfect form of sidearm that some of us learned to shoot at the age of 7… some 53 years ago… as taught by our Marine father.

 

In response to the obvious question… yes, I have shot the glock, many times, and find it to be the Yugo of firearms, cheap, somewhat efficient, ultimately serviceable and totally undesirable, for me, on par with a hi-point… this is my opinion, no better than Paul’s, and we all know what they say about opinions!

now, if one of you would be so kind as to tell me what font we are supposed to use when utilizing sarcasm, those portions of my commentary in which I am utilizing sarcasm would be much more easily discernible…

sign me

Hal in Kaliforniastan

p.s. I am inserting a picture of a pair of the Cabot 1911’s in which much of the near perfect form of handgun is made of meteorite… please feel free to join me as I drool all over myself!

 

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Rob-

Gary-

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I read Amanda Suffecool’s book on producing a concealed carry fashion show.

 

Do you want to attract more women and minorities to your club?  Do you want more young people at your events and fundraising activities?  Here is your opportunity to back up your words with actions.  Since concealed means concealed, new gun owners don’t know what they are missing.

 

Put on a concealed carry fashion show that looks like the members you want rather than the members you have.  You can do more than tell new gun owners that they are a welcome part of Armed America; You can show them.  Show them that concealed carry holders “look just like them.”

 

Amanda wrote this book with us in mind.  This is a nuts-and-bolts kind of instruction manual.  She identifies the people, positions, tasks and decisions you need to make your event a success.  Events like this have been done before.  We all can learn from their experience, the good and the bad.

 

I want you to do it.  A fashion show does more than demonstrate methods of concealed carry for men and women.  It can recruit new members into your club, and it can be entertainment for existing members.  The show can be a fundraising event for your organization.  You can showcase local vendors and promote their products.  A fashion show does that,  and something equally important.

 

A concealed carry fashion show communicates what responsible gun owners in your community look like.  You get to make that statement rather than accept how gun owners are portrayed in the media.

 

Do it.

 

That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 421 – Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest : Amanda Suffecool part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest : Amanda Suffecool Part 2

5 – Interview Segment 3 : Guest : Paul Martin – Part 1

6 – Interview Segment 4: Guest : Paul Martin – Part 2

7- DGU Segment:

8- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday September 2nd 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool about the concealed carry fashion shows she’s put on.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the efforts of Chicago to prevent a gun store from opening.

Tracy Thronburg: I’m Tracy Thronburg and tonight we’ll talk with Paul Martin about prepping.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 421 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I read the Wren decision out of the DC appeals court. I recorded David Cole for Self-Defense Gun Stories. I carried every day. We dodged a hurricane, so it is still a little wet to go to the range. I did some dry practice indoors.

 

John- My week has had dual highlights. First, I had dinner – in person, mind you – with Paul on Wednesday as he was driving through with a load. Then, my granddaughter Olivia spent the weekend with us which is always a treat. I also attended the Greensboro, NC gun show with my son-in-law and his dad. My biggest take-away is that AR prices are way down – Ruger AR-556s for as low as $449 – and that the new short barreled firearms from Mossberg and Remington are big hits.

 

Tracy- I went to Camp Gladiator five days this week. I gave a retired husband and wife a lesson on Thursday night, where they quickly learned that good gear choices can make or break a private lesson, and I worked as the chief range safety officer at Shady Oaks Gun Range today in Cedar Park. I’m still on the lookout for a reliable source for gas for my Denali.

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News 1

 

So Let It Be Written So Let It Be Done.

In July 2010, R. Joseph Franzese submitted an application for a business license. He proposed opening a gun shop called Second Amendment Arms (SAA). Franzese bought the property advertised as commercial property, but the city now claims it was not zoned as commercial. He contends the city will block a gun shop, no matter where it’s located. The Second Amendment Foundation became Franzese’s ally and backed a case challenging a ban of firearms sales within city limits. A federal court judge in Illinois denied a City of Chicago motion for summary judgment and refused to dismiss the case. Robert M. Dow, Jr., U.S. District Court Judge set Sept. 28 as the next date to discuss damages for the plaintiff in Second Amendment Arms v. City of Chicago.

Alan Gottlieb, SAF founder and Executive Vice President, said “The City of Chicago under Rahm Emanuel is trying to be too clever by half. We would have thought by now that they would have ceased this pattern of spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on stubborn litigation, but the city seems determined to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance with the Second Amendment. Since losing its gun ban fight in the Supreme Court’s 2010 McDonald ruling. Chicago has been digging its heels in deeper and deeper, throwing every kind of legal roadblock it could in an effort to delay what seems inevitable. The city has got to follow the law and the constitution, and as long as they keep fighting, we’ll keep suing. That’s what winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time is all about.”

 

John – What Chicago is engaging in is a form of “red-lining”. The use of zoning to keep out legal business. It was originally used to keep African Americans out of certain neighborhoods because mortgage companies wouldn’t lend to them.

 

Rob- I agree, John.  This is a civil rights violation and it has been going on for a very long time. Why is the city’s bigotry allowed to stand?  The city demands live fire before it will grant a permit.  A judge should demand that the city open police ranges to civilian use until a private company stands up.

 

Gary –

 

So, you think you have Constitutional Carry?

If you are not familiar with the work of John Lott, you are missing out on some valuable information.  His Crime Prevention Research Center published an article addressing limitations on Constitutional Carry in March of 2016. https://crimeresearch.org/2016/03/the-very-real-limits-on-constitutional-carry/

 

The focus of the article is the federal Gun Free School Zones Act.  This legislation was originally introduced by Senator Joe Biden and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush in 1990.  In 1995 this law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.  This was a landmark decision.  It was the first time in over 50 years that the Supreme Court placed limits on Congress’ ability to legislate under the Commerce Clause.  In 1996, Congress massaged the language and reenacted this unconstitutional statute.

 

This statute criminalizes the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of the boundary of a school.  There are exceptions to this rule.  Unloaded firearms that are in locked containers in a vehicle are exempted.  Private property within 1,000 feet of the school boundary but not part of school grounds is also an exception.  Additionally, persons licensed to carry may be exempt.  However, you must have a license issued by the state in which the school district resides.

 

If you live in a Constitutional Carry state and you do not possess a state-issued license, you have a problem.  You are committing a crime if you find yourself carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school boundary.  Dr. Lott’s article points out the difficulty of even driving across a typical city without violating this law.  Even if you are unaware of the school tucked back in the woods two streets to the east of you, you are eligible for a five-year, all expenses paid prison term and a $5,000 fine.  Even gun-friendly states have anti-gun politicians and prosecutors in their larger cities.

 

Congressman Ron Paul introduced legislation to repeal the GFSZA on three separate occasions.  His bills never made it out of committee.  Can you say national reciprocity?  The more things change, the more things stay the same.  Gun control is about control, not guns.

 

Rob- I used to open carry in California.  You had to know where every school was located.

Belle- How is this enforced?

 

Truckin’ through Wisconsin

Truck driver Guy Smith of Wisconsin pulled into a weigh station Kenosha County in June of 2016.  He then found himself charged with carrying a concealed weapon after his revolver was seen in the cab of his truck.  Of course, they confiscated his property.  Mr. Smith does not possess a concealed weapons permit.  

 

Smith’s defense attorney, John Monroe, prepared two theories to defend his client against these allegations.  The first defense is as simple as it gets.  In 2011 Wisconsin passed a law making it legal to have loaded handguns in vehicles.  A revolver is a handgun, isn’t it?

 

To paraphrase, Monroe said the charge never should have been filed because the the law allows handguns in cars to be unencased and loaded.  This seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?  But the prosecutor intended to take this case to trial.  The prosecutor actually stated that the law could not mean what it said because it would invalidate concealed carry law.  The judge in the case corrected him by stating that it would “in cars.”  Again, this seems like common sense stuff.  That is true unless you are a prosecutor with an axe to grind against citizens arming themselves.

 

The second defense theory Monroe devised centered around Castle Doctrine.  Wisconsin, and most other states, allow the use of firearms in their home, business or vehicle.  As Mr. Smith’s truck provides transportation, a livelihood and lodging all three elements of a castle exist.  

 

When prosecutor Thomas Binger learned of the defense Monroe planned to present at trial, he asked for a postponement.  Presumably this was to give the State more time to prepare.

 

On August 28, just before the date of trial, the State dismissed all charges against Mr. Smith.  Monroe pointedly stated they were not informed of this dismissal until the defense had been prepared and they traveled to Kenosha.  As Dean Weingarten of Gun Watch stated, this sounds like a case of punishment by process.  Was there ever an intention of going to trial with this?  Or, was Mr. Smith just being railroaded by a powerful government?

 

After the dismissal, Mr. Smith said, “I’m just a trucker trying to stay alive.  I want my gun back and I don’t want a record, and I’m not paying a fine.  I didn’t do anything wrong.”  Well done, Mr. Smith.  Perhaps we need a remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

http://www.livetrucking.com/case-trucker-found-handgun-dismissed/

http://bulletsfirst.net/2017/08/30/wisconsin-carry-truck-case-dismissed-prosecutor-avoids-precedent/

 

Paul – Just to make sure that all our listeners are aware that there are no federal laws that prohibit carrying in a commercial vehicle. It also reminds me of my own situation

John – Guy Smith still has his legal bills. The prosecutor was trying to drag it out to force Mr. Smith to plead to a lesser charge because of the uncertainty involved.

Gary – ACLDN

Rob- Guilty of contempt of prosecutor.

Belle- If they don’t pay, they should provide enough educational material to help keep you out of trouble.

 

Gun Quotes-  A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. Thomas Jefferson

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Amanda Suffecool

Eye on the target radio http://www.eyeonthetargetradio.com/

Realize FAC http://www.realizefac.com/

 

The NRA said this was the first fashion show to highlight concealed carry.  Maybe it was the first for them, but you’ve done this before.

Preppers ball

Friends of NRA

You wrote the book on it.

 

What was your idea in putting on a fashion show for concealed carriers?

I like it because it shows we’re normal.

Hi, this is us.  Look at us.  We look like you.

News coverage was great.

It is fashion news.

You’re talking about how to hide guns.

One model was carrying four concealed firearms.

We’re commonplace.

Amanda wrote the book on building your own fashion show.  A DVD is also available so you are not starting from our experience.

Contact Amanda with your lessons learned from your fashion show.

 

Who should consider putting on a fashion show?  NRA meetings, NRA clubs, Women’s shooting leagues for outreach and fundraising.

https://www.facebook.com/WCCfashionshow/

http://www.guns.com/2016/04/12/uscca-concealment-fashion-show/

Uscca

American shooter magazine

A group in NY

We use real people, and plastic guns.

My cousin produces fashion shows, so I learned from her.

The NRA hired me to consult with them.  They got things done.  We didn’t meet the models until a few hours before the show.

Pictures from the show including “Fabio”.

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/nra-concealed-carry-fashion-show-idUSRTX3DPP2

 

4- Interview 2 Paul Martin

https://www.amazon.com/Pivot-Points-Creating-Preparedness-Resiliency/dp/1515310671

 

Paul, emphasize the little things you solve once you prep.  Sprains.  Cuts. power outage.  Knowing when to not enter the water.

 

Rob- I have flood insurance.

What is the name of your you-tube channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9TYrmdNpEE

http://www.prepperdepot.org/

 

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Hurricane Harvey Mischief

As we have seen this week, while thousands were fleeing Hurricane Harvey, the low lifes came out to “play”.  About an hour after the storm made landfall, police in Corpus Christi responded to a call and found a man with a gunshot wound in the head.

It appeared that the man tried to break into the home and the armed homeowner defended himself.  The man was coherent and was transported to the local hospital.

In a second incident near Houston a few hours later, a home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner.  Both incidents were still under investigation.

Rob-  Low light.  You need a flashlight and a cell phone.

Gary-

Tracy: My doors are locked for YOUR protection.

Belle- low light practice is more important than people give it credit for. How often is it dark? About half the time? Why wouldn’t you practice that skill?

John – I like the attitude of the sheriff of Ft. Bend Cty, TX https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/09/03/texas-sheriff-warns-reminds-looters-we-believe-in-the-second-amendment-n2376617

Belle Night sight can be a distraction too. Low light shooting is likely to be close, because of the diminished ability to see anyway. Practice your point shooting or as Marty teaches, your Default Stance and you’ll develop the necessary skill.

 

Evil Roy shares a story

Fans of SASS or Cowboy Action Shooting know Gene Pearcey by his SASS moniker of Evil Roy.  He recently posted this story.

Here’s a self-defense story from a friend. It demonstrates the value of awareness, presence of mind, and making other members of you family familiar and proficient with available firearms. Being a cool head doesn’t hurt either.

My friend stops at convenience store on the way back from the lake. His shorts are wet so he takes his small pistol out of his pocket and puts it the door pocket. He tells his wife the 1911 is in the center console and goes inside. A small car pulls up alongside and a guy gets out. The wind blows his shirt up exposing a weapon. The wife is not sure if it is a knife or gun but she is alerted. My friend comes back to the Suburban and opens the rear doors and reaches for the cooler. He turns around to see the guy standing very close looking very tense, wild eyed and agitated. Bad things are about to happen. Suddenly he gets very still and very slowly lowers his hands to his side and makes some idiot remark about looking for gas. My friend looks over his shoulder and sees his wife aiming a very shiny 1911 through the truck at the guys head with the safety off from the passenger’s seat. Guy very slowly mutters some nonsense and leaves. The wife did not say a word through the entire encounter. Lots to learn from this incident.

Rob- Teamwork is insanely effective.

Belle- Great example of why it’s important to be aware of pre-attack indicators.

 

Wrong ATM

Sierra McFatridge was outside getting her dog when she heard the crack of gunfire and saw a robber falling right in front of her.   She said, “I didn’t know where the shot came from and then he was right there in front of me.”

A 51 year-old man had just visited the local ATM, withdrawn cash and was walking home when the robber hit him in the head.  The robber had a rock.  His intended victim had a gun.

The thug got away but a neighbor saw a woman in the get-away car and gave the license plate number to police.

Police said the victim was transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.  Once again the case was still under investigation.

Rob- The victim was walking with his son.

Gary- Grandma was robbed.

 

Man hold suspect at gunpoint until police arrive

In South Carolina, a deputy was serving a warrant for car theft when Christopher Cravets spotted the officer and ran from the scene.  He was wanted on an armed robbery charge. The deputy called for backup and multiple agencies responded.  The manhunt was on.

Charles Belcher had gone to visit his girlfriend in the area and she informed him of the ongoing manhunt.  He retrieved his gun from his truck and went back inside.

He then went outside to check the property.  He spotted Cravets hiding in the back of an Explorer in a carport on the property.  He ordered the man out of the SUV and to lay face down on the ground.  He then held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.

“The only thing I was worried about is if he had a gun and if he was going to try to shoot me,” Belcher added.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text message #1

 

Greetings all! Nice to have all the new voices on the show. All the best to Rachel in her new endeavor. I am getting a motorcycle and am wondering what others do who are disarmed at work. Thanks in advance. Also, even though I am disarmed at work , the vehicle I drive is 80,000 pounds. How many grains is that you math people!

 

Al the Iron Range trucker

 

560 million grains!

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Email from Dr Sean

 

Ok folks I have tried to stay out of the 1911 “discussion” but….allow me to go back a few episodes.  You had a guest who was trying to decide between a Springfield EMP and the range officer.  I own both and would suggest either or both for anyone.  The EMP is nice for CCW when you have light clothes or need deeper concealment.  The range officer is great to have a full size 1911 on your hip.  Buy both and you can choose each day.  They feel the same in your hand and function exactly the same.  The only difference is the recoil.

 

ok Paul I have to agree with you on wanting a 64 1/2 Mustang (I would love one too) but anytime we compare cars and guns we run into problems.  So if we are going to compare a 64 1/2 mustang and a new car the difference we see is a huge increase in government regulation and safety features as well as digitalization.  So I’m afraid you would have to compare the 1911 to a “smart gun” in that comparison.  I don’t think any of us want a smart gun!!  

I’ll agree with Belle “1911 finest handgun known to man”, but I also like to take my wife’s XD mod2 out for some target shooting too.  She carries hers all the time and loves it.

All in all, carry what you practice with, practice and get training often and above all else POGO!!

Thanks for all you do and see you at GRPC.

Dr. Sean

 

Sean D. Brodale DO

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Barton carries in his truck!

 

Hey crew,

It has been 7 years since I have had interaction with the DOT but today was my lucky day. The Officer approached from the passenger side and asked if we could pull off into the truck stop parking lot a few blocks up. For Paul’s benefit we do 99%of our Excavation work in Barron county WI so we don’t see scales ever. Before he left I informed the officer of my Glock 22 as I openly carry. When we got to the parking lot and he started the inspection he and I had a wonderful chat about firearms as he cited me for a non approved air line splice and let the few other things go with a warning provided they are fixed within 15 days. Be polite with officers and do what they say always but especially when armed. This gentleman was polite as we chatted about guns walking around the truck and trailer looking at the needed repairs. Enjoy your night!

#norecipes

Barton in  Wisconsin

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Jake writes in about safeties on firearms

 

I understand where he is coming from, but I have to disagree with Paul on manual safeties on concealed carry firearms.  I have carried for years with a fullsize with no manual safety and a subcompact with manual safety (depending on the season, what I’m wearing, and the required level of concealment).  If you ever observe me when shooting, you will notice on every gun, even those without when I draw or otherwise prepare to fire, my thumb swipes downwards on the left side of my gun as if disengaging a safety, and ends in a proper shooting grip.  On guns without safeties, it doesn’t cost me anything in terms of time or mental effort, and of course it’s necessary on guns without safeties.

 

I’m beginning to change my mind on the usefulness of safeties and DA/SA guns purely for additional safety when reholstering.  Reholstering is the most dangerous gun handling task we commonly do, and a stray string from a sweatshirt, piece of brass, rock, fold of a t-shirt, or any number of other things could get stuck inside the holster or trigger guard on holstering and cause an accidental discharge.  With a hamer-down DA/SA gun, you can keep your thumb on the rear of the hammer so you feel it begin to move if the trigger is pressed by anything, and with a gun with a safety, you can physically stop the trigger from moving.  If I want to carry with the safety off, I can toggle the safety on, holster, then withdraw just far enough to disengage the safety before reholstering.  Lately, though, I just keep the safety on – I instinctively disengage it on drawing anyway.

 

Just my $0.02.

Jake (Formerly from Iowa)

 

Belle- 1911s are…The Finest Handgun Known to Man? Too much of a broken record?

Tracy- 2011s are..TOO BIG FOR MY HAND.

Rob- Jake, I have the same habit.

John – http://www.guns.com/2015/07/13/the-gadget-for-glocks-a-safer-way-to-re-holster-video/

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Dr Sean writes in again

 

Just wanted to thank Tim Crosnoe for his elaboration of natural point of aim as it is sometimes talked about in pistol shooting.  I had begun to wonder how NPOA could be used in pistol shooting as the shoulders are mostly muscular joints.  This seemed contradictory to the NPOA we learn at Appleseed which takes the muscles out and relies on the sling and bones to get an NPOA.  It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one thinking about NPOA as it is different in pistol shooting vs rifle shooting.  Thanks to Tim

Dr. Sean

Sean D. Brodale DO

 

Rob- We use NPOA in target shooting a lot.

Belle- NPOA in pistol is similar to the default stance

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I completed my series called “Government Fees Discourage Concealed Carry.”  In shall issue states, our concealed carry laws and fees disarmed 8 million of us.  I also asked if “Gun Laws are Really Common Sense..or More of the Same Stupid Stuff?” Do these regulations disarm criminals or disarm honest gun owners?  Do they do more harm than good?

 

That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?

 

For those who like a little bit of history with their firearms, I did a post on a lesser known trench gun, the Remington 10, used by the American army in World War One. Only about 3,500 of these bottom ejecting pump shotguns were made. They also came with a 17” bayonet. Moving from the old to the new, Century Arms released a product safety warning regarding their Canik line of 9mm pistols. Owners are warned that repeated dropping of the pistol could damage internal parts. Century will release a severe duty upgrade by Sept 8th.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 419 Karl Rehn, Gail Pepin and Tim Crosnoe

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Karl Rehn Pt 1 

4- Interview Segment 2: Karl Rehn Pt 2

5- Mantis X review

6- Tim Crosnoe interview

7- DGU Segment:

8- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, August 22nd, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Karl Rhen about Historic firearms training.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Arizona Supreme Court upholding state pre-emption

Paul: we’ll also talk with Gail Pepin about the Mantis X Training system, so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 419 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Recorded Amanda Suffecool for “Self-Defense Gun Stories.”  What Amanda is doing with concealed carry fashion shows is amazing.

 

John- Thanks to a reminder by Erin Palette of Operation Blazing Sword, I signed up for Massad Ayoob’s MAG-20 class to be held in a suburb of Charlotte (North Carolina). I’ve wanted to take the MAG-40 for a long while but either the time or the distance wasn’t convenient. This gets me halfway there and it’s only a little more than 2 hours away.

 

Paul-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

Paul – Government tension in Arizona

It is not unusual for state governments to pass preemption laws.  However, many city leaders believe they know best.  They pass measures knowing that their local regulations conflict with state statutes.  

 

The most recent example of this overreach is found in Tucson, Arizona.  A recent, unanimous ruling by the Arizona Supreme Court struck down a 2005 ordinance requiring local police to destroy seized firearms.  The problem is an earlier Arizona statute that prohibits local governments from enacting measures related to firearms or ammunition.  Additionally, Arizona passed another law requiring cities to sell seized or otherwise acquired firearms to licensed dealers.  

 

Tucson argued that its charter status provided significantly more independence.  The Arizona Supreme Court disagreed.  As police power is granted by the state, the city must abide by state mandates.  The court clarified that charter status only applies to only city elections and disposal of real property.

 

The issue was brought to a head by SB 1487.  This law provides that legislators may point out instances of cities ignoring preemption laws to the Attorney General.  If the Attorney General finds this to be the case, he or she may withhold up to half of the city’s state funding.  Tucson argued that this amounted to illegal coercion.  Justice John Pelander, however, stated the intent of SB 1487 is to, “require and incentivise political subdivisions to comply with state law.”  This is a positive step in the right direction.  It gives teeth to preemption laws that cannot be ignored by power hungry local officials.

 

Rob- Tucson destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of firearms.  That is enough money to buy all the Tucson cops body armor..but the city says they don’t have enough money for that.  They the municipal government does have enough of the taxpayer’s money to fund years of legal challenges claiming they are above the law.

 

John- It is interesting to compare this decision with the recent one that didn’t uphold pre-emption by the Washington State Supreme Ct. In this case the AZ justices read the law and applied it. In Washington State, the majority justices had to virtually invent exceptions to that state’s very strong firearms pre-emption law.

 

Rob- Politicians in a black dress.

 

John- Under Dillon’s Rule, counties and cities are creatures of the state. They only have the power clearly granted to them by the state. This is a long-standing legal principle.

 

Paul –

Rob- The law requires deliberate misconduct.  

 

John – Gun Quotes- A businessman cannot force you to buy his product; if he makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences.. A bureaucrat forces you to obey his decisions, whether you agree with him or not.  If he makes a mistake, you suffer the consequences; if he fails, he passes the loss on to you.  Ayn Rand

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Karl Rhen.

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3- Interview 1- Karl Rhen Pt 1

 

4- Interview 2 – Karl Rhen Pt 2

 

5- Mantis X

 

Rob- 6- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Rob- Judge returns fire

It was just another Monday morning when Judge Joseph Bruzzese, Jr. parked his car in his reserved spot next to the Jefferson County courthouse in Steubenville, OH yesterday. Within a couple of minutes things would change.

As Judge Bruzzese walked toward the stairs leading up to the courthouse shortly before 8 AM, he was “ambushed” by Nathaniel Richmond.  According to Sheriff Abdalla, video footage showed a vehicle with 2 occupants at 7:12 AM which then left and returned at 7:30.

Richmond approached the judge and shot him at near-point blank range in the chest then took off running toward the vehicle.  Judge Bruzzese was armed and both he and a probation officer returned fire.  Video showed the judge taking 5 shots at Richmond.  Richmond was shot and killed by one of the two.

The sheriff said had the probation officer not been there, “this “gentleman” would have kept on shooting until he killed the judge.”

Although Richmond had never appeared in Judge Bruzzese court, he has had been involved in a number of cases in the last several years.  He had filed a lawsuit in the judge’s court in April, alleging wrongful death in the death of his mother in a house fire in 2015.  The hearing was scheduled for the end of August.

Richmond was the father of Ma’lik Richmond who served 10 months in juvenile detention after a conviction, along with another high school football player, for the rape of a 16 year-old girl in 2012.  Richmond was a star on the football team and the case got international attention amid allegations of a cover-up to protect the football team.  Ma’lik had no contact with the judge in his case.

Judge Bruzzese was alert and talking after the shooting and was airlifted to the hospital in nearby Pittsburgh and is expected to survive.  Judge Bruzzese has served on the court since 1997 and had been elected to the most recent 6 year term in 2014.  He had started carrying a gun years ago because there’s “nutcases out there who want retaliation.”

Paul- I can’t talk about Ohio, but many states treat judges as above the law.  They can get permits in states where the rest of us would have to go unarmed.  I looked at the 25 most dangerous occupations, and “Judge” didn’t make the list.

 

John – NC treats judges and DAs as above the law in terms where you can carry. Beyond that, I see this as a case showing how it is important to stay in the fight even if you wounded. It could save your life.

 

Rob- Some Ohio judges granted themselves authority to carry in their courtroom and everywhere else in public WITHOUT having to obtain an Ohio carry permit.  It must be nice to be king..or at least a judge.

 

Paul – 3 shots connected with at least 6 fired. More training please

 

John – Self-defense against crossdressers

In Lithonia, Georgia recently, a man dressed as a woman broke into a local home just after 2 AM.  The homeowner confronted the subject and gave him a verbal warning.  The burglar continued to approach him and he fired one shot.  He did the right thing in the opinion of neighbors because he has a wife, daughters and mother in the home.  The burglar died at the scene.  The homeowner is not being charged as the police have determined this was a self-defense shooting.

Paul – Do you think alcohol or drugs might have been involved here?

Paul – Might have been better if you POGO

A Kansas City MO man and woman had just returned home at 5 AM from a visit to WalMart after working the night shift.  They had put the groceries in the apartment and he was walking her to her car when a man dressed all in black came around the corner.  He was demanding them to give me things and threatening him with a gun.  The male victim emptied his pockets.

He then started moving them into the apartment.  At this point the male victim decided to grab his gun which was just inside his door and fight back.

“I walked out, he was still holding the gun and I thought he was going to shoot me that minute, and I just took a couple shots and he ran off,” the victim told police. Unsure if he had hit the man, he and his girlfriend retreated into his apartment and called 911.

Responding police found the man dead.

Rob- I have to call this man foolish.  He didn’t have a gun with him.  Once he faced a lethal threat, he did not make the decision to use lethal force, but waited until he had his gun pointed at the criminal to decide to shoot.  That is an important distinction.  You can choose to NOT SHOOT at any time, but I want you to make the choice to save your life when you see an immediate and unavoidable lethal threat.

John – Bob Mayne, Ben Branam, and Paul Carlson had a great discussion on visualization in a recent Handgun World Podcast.

Paul-

Rob- Training with realistic targets can help you shoot when you need to.

Cellular 911 Call

A Verizon Wireless store employee practiced POGO and it probably saved his life.  2 men attempted to rob the cellular store in the late morning recently.  While being held at gun point, the clerk pulled his firearm from his waist band and fired several shots at the thug brandishing his gun at him.

The wounded suspect was “awake and breathing” and the clerk had “both guns in his hands” as 911 audio revealed.

The clerk does have his government issued permission slip to carry his gun concealed.

The suspect had fired his gun but it was not determined who shot first.

The suspect was transported to a local hospital gunshot wounds.  He and his comrade had been in the store several times recently.  The other robber fled the scene in a light blue van.

John – I wonder if he will keep his job.

 

Paul – I don’t know if it’s a great idea to handle the gun, but you have to make it safe.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Voice mail

 

Email #1, this one from Phil

 

I enjoy your podcast and… really wish you’d give more information about each episode in the written introduction. I don’t know who the guests are, so please describe what they talk about, so I can decide if that episode is what I want to hear. (“We need/want more listener feedback” is too often the only thing you post.)

 

Thanks for hearing me!

 

Email #2

 

I just listened to your podcast of a week ago and I heard Paul mention Dirty Harry’s 16 shot revolver.  If I may…a correction.  The Dirty Harry movies are better than most when it comes to the realistic portrayal of guns.  You see, I have this annoying habit of counting shots in the movies, especially when it comes to revolvers.  If they go overboard I’ve know to express my displeasure, especially to my wife. That’s when she usually gives me a look and I shut up.  Anyway, Harry usually shoots 4 or 5 times before the end of that “scene”.  Never more than 6 that I can recall.  Exception… in the second movie (Magnum Force) during the police shooting competition, Harry shoots 6, then is clearly seen using his speed loader, then 6 more before he yells “out”.  Anyway, the point to this silly email is to point out that the Dirty Harry movies are the rare example of Hollywood getting it “pretty close” to right.
Regards,
Tony

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I looked at the costs to get your concealed carry permit in “shall issue” states.  We paid over 4 billion dollars and spent over 65 million hours in classes to get our permits.  As you should imagine, that much time and money talks, and the state mandates disarmed 11 million of us.  We would at least double the number of people legally carrying if constitutional carry were the law of the land.  That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Our listeners may remember Cody Wilson. Among other things, he developed the Liberator pistol which can be made using a 3-D printer. We interviewed him at the 2016 GRPC. Cody now has a company selling 80% AR lowers and mini-CNC machines that allows you to complete that lower. This past week his Internet provider, Cloudfare, cancelled his GhostGunner.net account. While Cloudfare preaches “free speech”, they closed his website over content. This is the same thing that they did to the white supremacist site Daily Stormer. It leads to the question as to whether social media companies are deciding to purge or restrict libertarian or conservative oriented websites because of their “values”.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Karl Rhen and Gail Pepin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 418 – Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Maddad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 2

5- Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 3

6- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, August 14th, 2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin interacting with the police.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a truck driver murdered while working his dream job.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and we have a defensive gun use where a man left the hospital and came home to find an intruder in his home.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about the best kind…no shots fired… so climb aboard.

Amy: strap in

Belle : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 418 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The last podcast was with Ben Branam.  The next one is with Amanda Suffecool.

 

I’ve been studying the rates of concealed carry in shall-issue states.  I started with John Lott’s data and kept digging.  Now I have to write up the research.

 

Belle – been taking my first time off of the year for some family time. Getting Firearms Academy of Seattle ready for Gunsite 150 Pistol course this weekend and getting myself ready for GSSF in Port Townsend, WA. – all this coming weekend.

 

John – I’ve had a quiet week. I did go “junking” with Barb on Saturday and picked up some cheap pewter. I plan to use it as part of my lead alloy for casting bullets. Pewter is mostly tin and antimony so a little bit hardens up the cast bullets. Rob’s digging reminded me of a plea I need to make. If any one of our listeners is good at social network analysis, please get in touch with me at john@politesocietypodcast.com. It is a social science tool showing interconnections. Among the things I want to study are large law firms and gun control groups.

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+funding+anti-gun+law+firms%3F&rlz=1C1VFKB_enUS618US623&oq=who+is+funding+anti-gun+law+firms%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.13920j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-

 

Tracy – I was a student in Karl Rehn’s beta class of Historical Handgun this past Saturday at his private training facility. I don’t want to disclose too much since we will be interviewing Karl about this class. Suffice to say, my ego was brought back down to earth. It was a humbling experience!

 

Gary-  

 

Amy- Spent the weekend in Charleston, SC with a friend I served with in the military that I had not seen in a few years so it was a fun time! Getting ready to leave this weekend to teach a Ladies Defensive Handgun Class at On Target Gun Club in Atlanta, GA.

 

Paul/Susan MAG 40

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here

 

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Break

2- News 1

 

Tracy – Truck Driver Robbed

Keith Odom, 49, lost his life while living his childhood dream job.  Odom’s parents, in Jonesborough, Tennessee, understand that accidents and crashes come with the business. However, the Vietnam veteran never thought his son would die in a robbery. Sgt. Don Coppola, a Baton Rouge police spokesman, said investigators believe Odom was shot after he turned over his possessions to the robber. The unknown suspect in a black hoodie and carrying a backpack was seen pacing the parking lot. After the shooting, he ran across the parking lot toward the Citi Trends store. The police have detained some people for questioning, but the investigation continues.

 

Paul – National Reciprocity (or the lack of is losing us lives.)

 

Rob-

https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials

John – HR 38 has 208 cosponsors! 205 Republicans and 3 Democrats. It is 10 less than the number needed to pass the bill.

Gary –

 

Please mention (202) 224-3121 Congressional switchboard

Amy – Very important to call your congressmen and women! Every call from a constituent is recorded!

 

John –New York Deputies Knock on Vietnam Vet’s Door, Confiscate Guns

A 70-year-old Vietnam veteran said he was watching television in his Taberg, New York, home when deputies knocked on his door, then entered and confiscated his firearms.

The veteran, Don Hall, was told by the deputies that he had a record of mental issues. They took his handguns, then asked if he had any long guns. They took those also.

Hall hired an attorney, who advised Hall that he would have to prove that he was not the Don Hall with mental issues. Hall and his attorney blame the gun controls contained in the 2013 SAFE Act, which was passed in the wake of the heinous attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School. One of the controls in the Act was a new reporting requirement for “health providers.”

 

Amy – I know that this is a major concern in the veteran community. A lot of combat veterans especially being diagnosed with PTSD are scared of how this may affect their Second Amendment rights and sometimes won’t seek treatment because they don’t want it being reported!

John –

Rob-  I read a follow up report.  He asked to see his records in the local hospital.  They records technician was quite upset when he asked if his records showed any mental health treatments.  He was falsely reported.

 

Belle – Gun Quotes

Surround yourself with people who move towards the sound of gunfire.  Unknown

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin.

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3- Interview

Tracy – I’d like to welcome Karl Rehn to the Polite Society Podcast. Karl is the man that I call “boss.” He is my friend and mentor. He is a grand master shooter in USPSA and has trained with the best in the business. So, Karl, what was the driving force behind your creation of Historical Handgun?

 

Karl Rehn –

 

Rob- Was the modern technique and the contemporary hunched-isosceles really progress?  Progress, or adaption to changing hardware.

 

Amy – This sounds like such an interesting class! The analysis of shooting techniques, stances, and the approach of teaching is something the military studies as well. In the Marine Corps, the combat marksmanship training program changed during the war and policies we were teaching at the recruit depot when I was there directly changed because of these studies. The military is currently involved with civilian shooting sports as well which also affect current training!

 

Belle –   Hey Karl- Marty Hayes says “hi”  Thats funny you mention the distance shooting being hard to come by, we just had a stage in our local IDPA Match (not technically legal, of course) that was prone- 50 yrds And our Active Shooter course here is focused on distances up to 50yds. You have to really search to find facilities that can offer you that training or practice- cool that you’re providing that also! When are you holding the next one?

 

Rob- What does the firearms community have to do so more people take training?

Walmart class- traveling trainers need a two day course.

 

Half-day courses?

Evening courses?

Stepping stones of advancement.

Make training cheap and easy..and cost $50 to $80.

 

Amy –  I agree with you, Karl. I have found more success as a trainer offering shorter, more frequent classes with lower round counts. I think the beginner shooter gets fatigued faster than someone who is more advanced. Would you agree with that as well?

 

Paul – is there anything you have found that overcomes the “ My uncle Bubba taught me everything I need to know about shooting?

 

4- Interview 2

 

Tracy 5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always, the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Amy – No Shots Fired

Trevor Debord had some small things disappear from his home recently and was having the locks changed on his home on Monday.  He had just left the hospital and had a bad feeling and decided to swing by his home.

When he got home, he heard some noise upstairs.  He grabbed his gun and climbed the stairs to confront the intruder.

He found a teenage boy hiding in one of the bedrooms.  The boy obeyed every command that Debord gave him.

Local police arrived shortly after Debord and took the boy into custody.  It appeared that the boy entered the home through a window.

 

“Seeing somebody just kind of standing there nervous you feel bad but then again it’s your home. You need to protect it with all you can,” Debord said.

 

Rob- Let’s separate luck from best practice.

One unarmed homeowner walked into his home.  He had to move across his home to become armed.  What if he’d met several armed intruders?  He would have started a fight he couldn’t win.  Don’t be that guy.

 

Gary – Ex-boyfriend lucky to be alive

It has been said that a protection order will not protect you.  Joshua Cuthbertson had an order against him and he knew it.  He also ignored it recently.

He recently went to his ex-girlfriends with a container of gasoline and a baseball bat.  When the dogs started barking, the man also living at the home came outside.  He smelled gasoline and found Cuthbertson hiding behind his vehicle.  Cuthbertson then attacked him with the bat, hitting him several times in the head.

The man then shot Cuthbertson in self-defense and then administered medical aid until the police and ambulance arrived.

Cuthbertson was treated for multiple gunshot wounds and charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill and violating a protection order.

 

John – While it may sound callous but let the EMTs deal with it.

Belle -You mentioned you may be sorry you shot someone. Don’t be sorry you survived!

Rob- Try to train with the people you live with.  It will make you 10 times harder to beat with a baseball bat.

Amy – Yes! Train for different scenarios.

Rob- Military has plans.

Belle- My kids and I play the ‘what-if” game all the time. It’s not to scare, just prepare – (and yes, I use the rhyme to make it simpler and sweeter for the little ones) We also rely heavily on our dogs- I cant imagine not having them as part of my security plan.

 

Tracy – Another Psychological Stop

On a recent Sunday afternoon, Bobby Watson tried robbing a woman in a Publix parking lot.  She fought back and Watson stabbed her and ran.

Christopher McMann witnessed the attack and approached Watson.  Watson then stabbed McMann.

Another Good Samaritan, Travis Jones, then chased and tackled Watson only to be stabbed in the abdomen.  Donald Rush saw what was happening and grabbed his gun from his car and ran at Watson.  He was able to disarm him and held him at gunpoint until deputies arrived.

The sight of the brandished firearm was enough to stop the attack.

Rob- Right here we see the statistics of an armed citizenry.  An attacker armed with knife stabbed a number of people..until he met a victim armed with a gun.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John – From Facebook

 

Is there something to this? I’ve seen too many organizations reach their goals and claw for any excuse to justify continued existence.

I’ve had some nagging thought about the NRA and its leadership lately. It started when they waited till the last second to disinvite USCCA from the Member’s Meeting. Then that week they revealed Carry Guard. No doubt a worthwhile service the the USCCA has set the gold standard for legal insurance and training for many years now. The Carry Guard program began on a bad foot banning revolvers and 1911s from their classes.

 

They are setting up their own schools and events which will severely cut into the trade of smaller schools and otherwise well known trainers who are doing yeoman’s work in areas not usually well served by traditional shooting schools. I am 100% all for taking as much training from qualified instructors as is realistic for the individual to undertake. I am adamant about that.

Now look at the changing landscape. IF we get Reciprocity passed in the face of the opposition and the know it alls on our side NRA has a problem. That slays one of the boogiemen they’ve traded on for decades. They seem to fear having to go back to running matches, youth events and museums. They have gotten a definite taste for the power that comes from being able to elect and un-elect politicians. They need a new cash cow. As we know as more people get into the 2A lifestyle training even when not mandates always skyrockets no matter what Whoopie Goldberg says on the View.

 

My concern here is the damage to the the hard working instructors with small operations who take great pride in instilling high levels of competence and safety in their students. THEY won’t have a national program to steer them clients. This does not bode well. Some have said that a 2A revisement amendment that established nation constitutional carry and removed Class III restrictions and recognized SYG, parking lot provisions and established Castle Doctrine with teeth would be a nightmare for the NRA with no more dragons to slay.

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Paul – I am not going to say that USCCA is the gold standard because quite simply they aren’t. In protection of members in my opinion ACLDN is at the head of the pack.

Belle-Thank you, Paul! Marty did lay the foundation and didn’t ask for any of the glory. Check out last month’s ACLDN eJournal to see what Marty had to say to the NRA and how they responded.

 

Rob- There are not enough instructors if even a few percent of gun owners take training.  The NRA stumbled when they tried to roll out their online learning program.  They lost a lot of their instructors when they did that, or at least their instructors developed credentials with other training organizations.

Belle- But don’t we want that training to be high quality for armed citizens, not tacticool types.

 

Gary-

 

Rob- Text message #1

Morning crew,

I was wondering which do you all prefer, hammer fired or striker fired and why?

Thanks for the content in every show.

Jp

 

Gary

Belle- 1911. Finest Handgun Known To Man! – Says the girl who carries a Glock19 as we speak. Can’t you like both?

Paul -Striker

Tracy – 1911. I’m pretty good with a 1911. I learned on a 1911. I carry a 43, cuz my 1911s are heavy.

Rob- Yes, JP, your gun needs one or the other.  I don’t care which it has. The striker guns are simpler for new shooters to master.

Amy – I agree with Belle! I like both for different reasons, but prefer striker fired. I just shoot my Glock the most! I did learn with a Beretta M9 first though. And I do love my 1911s! I like all guns! Like Tracy and Rob were talking about, train to be proficient with EACH gun you own!

John – All I’m going to say is that I prefer a hammer on my revolvers so I have the option of SA or DA.

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Belle – Text message #2 (clayton)

 

I agree with Tracy. I find it weird that cops perform chest compressions on people with bullet holes. Wouldn’t that increase blood loss?

 

Paul

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Amy – Text message #3 from George Zimmerman

 

I have been listening to your podcast and noticed that you’ve been asking for listener feedback. You are all doing a great job and I truly appreciate the manner you all “spread the word” the right way! Thank you all!

 

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Tracy – Email from Clayton

 

AR versus AK is a no brainer to me in today’s market. AR’s are flooding the market and basically half the price of a glock, I pay 29 cents a round, everyone and their grandmother makes accessories, and magazines are common. Besides, “what’s his face”  blocked imports on 7.62 and 5.45 by 39 so those prices suck now.

*Bleep* yeah, Tracy! Just use an American rifle!
-still Clayton

 

Tracy – Good to hear from you again, Clayton! Keep the feedback coming, Thanks for being a dedicated listener of our podcast!

 

Paul – I am looking for the

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I admire a lot of people in the self-defense movement.  Have you noticed what socialists and big government gun-grabbers say about these advocates?  In some cases, these advocates are my personal friends..like the people on this podcast.  My article is titled “Why the Political Left Hates Women and Blacks who Own Guns”   By the time this episode airs, I should also have my article done about licensing fees and the price of self-defense.  You can find those stories at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I received a solicitation for money from State Senator Phil Berger of NC. He is the President Pro Tem of the NC Senate. He is one of the leaders responsible for our constitutional carry bill not coming to the floor for a vote. I suggested in a blog post that the proper response to a GOP politician asking for money is NO. The only way they should get a yes and money is if they start actually passing gun rights legislation. This includes at the national level where we still haven’t gotten action on national reciprocity or the Hearing Protection Act. The Republicans have counted on gun owners to win them elections. We need to tell them to put up or shut up.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Rob- did you answer Berger’s solicitation?  You’ve got him by his wallet.

 

Amy have you written anything you want to talk about?

https://www.gunware.net/blog/

https://www.ccwstyle.com/

I’ll start posting the specific new articles I write each podcast!

 

Anyone else want to bring something up?

(Post a link, Amy)

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 412 – Grace Thames

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Grace Thames

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday June 23rd   2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Grace Thames about hand to hand self-defense.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll hear the story of a food-throwing delivery driver.

Bill: I’m Bill from the Firearms Chat Podcast and Paul and the gang asked me to join them for the show today…so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 412 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I carried in the sun and rain, and we’ve had a lot of both.  The exception was when I went to a large industrial firm in Texas.  They were a gun free zone. I produced two new episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I started reading David Yamane’s article- The sociology of U.S. gun culture.

 

Rachel, don’t tell us what changed. Tell us if anything stayed the same in your world?

 

Rachel – …..I live in a different world now

 

Bill- I did a women’s roundtable show last night

 

Paul/Susan-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Mortgage to Keep and Bear Arms

On June 16 2017, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused to grant $9,775.65 in attorney’s fees and costs incurred by Gregory Ledet, a resident of Ohio. In 1997, Ledet committed the crime in Louisiana of less than $100 misdemeanor theft for which he received a six-month suspended sentence in lieu of 18 months probation. He should not have been denied his second amendment rights. Therefore, he fought the federal government over a stagnant background check appeal on a gun purchase. One can lose their gun rights according to federal law if the person is found guilty of non-domestic violence-related state misdemeanor punishable by over two years in prison. Ledet’s attorney, Stephen D. Stamboulieh said, “Why should an erroneously denied individual be on the hook for thousands of dollars to fix the government’s mistake? Good question.  But, until Congress steps in, that’s the way it is.”

 

Kansans Denied the second amendment.

The Kansas Taxpayers are coerced to fund hospitals, but with this legislation they are denied the ability to defend themselves when employed, visiting or being treated at these facilities. Employees are not allowed to exercise their second amendment rights in their own vehicles parked on the property. After The Kansas Legislature bill passed on June 1st, the governor had 10 days to sign or veto the bill. Since he has done nothing, the bill will become law without his signature.  Kobach attempted working with The National Rifle Association and the Kansas State Rifle Association to come to a compromise with state hospitals and KU Med. KU Med walked away from the negotiating table, therefore Tax funded Medical Facilities will not follow the legislation to allow concealed carry nor will they pay for additional security. The state funded properties will turn into gun-free zones without adequate security by July 1.

Rob-

Paul – so much for constitutional carry.

National Reciprocity or bust

National reciprocity is high on the list for the Republican agenda, but the Democrats and the dominant media have been in cahoots to undermine it since Donald Trump took office.  It appears many House Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon.  The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act (H.R. 38) now boasts the support of 200 members!  Perhaps this will provide the impetus to get the bill moving out of committee; it has been languishing there since January 12.

 

The short bill H.R. 38 simply says, “A person licensed to carry in their home state may carry in any other state that allows concealed carry.” Although every state allows some form of concealed carry, New Jersey, Maryland, New York, California and Hawaii, make it extremely difficult to go through the process of obtaining a permit. Politicians from those states are not about to stand by quietly as reciprocity bill passes.

 

In the wake of the Alexandria, Virginia shooting of Rep. Scalise and others, Georgia Congressman Barry Loudermilk proposed another form of reciprocity.  He proposed measures whereby members of Congress licensed in their home states may carry while they are in the nation’s capital. Of course, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) is one of the anti-rights activists vehemently opposing the idea.  Certainly there will be no restrictions on his personal security detail.  But his second amendment opposition is aggressively reminding the Senator who is in charge on Capitol Hill.  Brian Babin of Texas proposed legislation similar to Loudermilk’s.

 

It is typical that public shootings result in calls for the retraction of rights.  This is one situation where such an event may actually spur action to take some of these rights back.  The number of supporters for National Reciprocity as well as Rep. Loudermilk’s proposal may actually move the bill forward.  Do you find it interesting that members of Congress seem content to follow the status quo when you and I are being overrun by violence?  Whether the subject is health insurance or concealed carry, the ruling class believes in two sets of rules:  theirs and ours.

 

Rob- These are complimentary bills.  We need both.

 

4 STATES ADDED TO CALIFORNIA’S BANNED TRAVEL LIST

California is restricting publicly funded travel to eight (8) states due to laws that California leaders view as discriminatory against gay and transgender people.

 

The eight states are Alabama, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Texas.

 

California Attorney Xavier Becerra, along with representatives from ACLU North California & Equality California, announced the new states at a Thursday press conference.

 

California’s law gained attention after North Carolina enacted its so-called “bathroom bill”, which requires that people using bathrooms in public buildings choose the restroom that corresponds to the gender at birth. California voted last year to restrict state-funded travel to states with laws that allow businesses to deny services to members of the LGBT community.

 

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott recently signed a law with a provision that critics are interpreting as permitting adoption agencies to deny services to gay families.

 

Alabama and South Dakota were added because of similar adoption-related laws. The California DOJ says Kentucky’s Senate Bill 17 allows student-run organizations to discriminate against classmates.

 

The California law includes exemptions for law enforcement officers, tax auditors and training events that are required for grants.

 

Gun Quotes- The greater the number of laws and enactments, the more thieves and robbers there will be. Lao Tzu

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest, Grace Thames.

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WOULD-BE ROBBER LEFT DUCT TAPED ON DRIVEWAY AFTER ARMED NEIGHBORS FOIL BURGLARY

A man broke into an Albuquerque home on Sunday, triggering the security system that notified the homeowner on his phone.

Micah Benson watched the man roam through his home, grab a beer, try on a motorcycle jacket and turn on the TV.

That’s when Benson called his neighbor for help. Sandra Vestel has a background in the military and surveillance and jumped into action.

She told reporters QUOTE “I went into our garage, my husband and I, and we got two pistols,” END QUOTE.

They met Benson in the street and used their cars to block the street to prevent a getaway in a vehicle. Vestel handed Benson a gun and that’s when posse of six armed neighbors flooded into the home and confronted the man.

Vestel stated that she and the homeowner entered the home with two of the loaded weapons. The homeowner announced himself to the perpetrator saying, QUOTE “I have a loaded weapon, get down on your hands and knees,’” END QUOTE.

According to police, the intruder shouted “DON’T SHOOT!”

Surrender? Not enough for this bunch neighborhood watch. They duct taped the suspect and placed him on the driveway AFTER beginning to strip search him to make sure he didn’t have any weapons or needles. They even took away his beer that he had helped himself to.

32-year-old Mark Thompson was transferred to a local hospital and was later charged with residential burglary. Thompson remains in police custody.

 

Paul – We are not the police and should not be clearing houses especially a house that is only occupied by a bad guy

 

Rob- This is wrong, but cool.

Rachel-

 

Delivery is Dangerous

Getting food delivered to your home can be a great time saver for yourself but for a driver, it can be a dangerous job.  A Jacksonville Florida Chinese food delivery driver is thankful that he practiced POGO.  3 teen thugs thought they would make a fast buck this week by robbing the driver.

The three called in an order and had it delivered to a vacant home on the west side of town.  The three had removed the For Sale sign from in front of the house.  When the driver arrived at the address, he was held at gunpoint and told to get inside.  The driver threw the food at one of the thugs then pulled his Glock.  Four or five shots had one of the thugs down and two on the run.

The intended victim only had $200 with him. The incident left the neighborhood concerned due to the number of children living there.

The drivers statements indicated that he did not get his support hand up as he defended himself.  This would tend to indicate that he had trained one handed at some point in the past.

Another take away from this story is the tactic used by the driver to give himself time to draw his weapon.  He threw the food at one of his aggressors which gave him the opportunity to draw his Glock.  If you are in a similar situation, you can toss your wallet or valuables at the thug or on the ground.  It may be just the distraction you need to draw and be the first to pull the trigger.

 

Paul- Good on the driver for using the food as a distraction

Rob- Don’t depend on mercy from the merciless.  Tactical patience.  You have the right to defend yourself.  WHEN you do so..is up to you.  

Bill- I can add something…

Jeff- Train to discard or retain carried items

 

Democrat or Republican

Since 1909, the Democrats and the Republicans in House of Representatives along with select Senators have been playing a charity baseball game.  The game has been played for years at the various professional fields in the DC area. The game was so popular not only with the players but also the public that the game was broadcast on radio for many years.  The players take the game seriously and each year spend many hours prior to the day’s work in the House and Senate at the practice field in Virginia taking batting practice and fielding ground balls.

On June 14th, the Republican players were on a field in Alexandria VA.  James Hodgkinson, 66, of Belleville IL was also at the field that morning but he wasn’t much interested in baseball.  The rhetoric and vitriol of the last few years had turned Hodgkinson into a anti-Republican liberal who had actively campaigned for Bernie Sanders in the Democrat primaries.  His Facebook page was full of hate against the Republicans.  Hodgkinson had purchased a 7.62 x 39 caliber SKS rifle and a 9mm handgun.  That morning he had a pocket full of clips and was intent on eliminating some Republican members of Congress.

Among the players taking BP and fielding practice that morning included Senators Jeff Flake and Rand Paul, and Representatives Steve Scalise, Jeff Duncan, Mo Brooks, Joe Barton, MIke Bishop, Ron Desantis and Brad Wenstrup to name a few and various aides and a lobbyist or two.

As Hodgkinson took aim with his SKS along the 3rd base line, Republican Whip Steve Scalise was at his position near second base fielding balls.  As the first shots range out shortly after 7 AM, Rep Scalise was shot in the hip.  At the same time, all the others on the field dove for cover.  The only real cover was the 1st Base dugout.  Rep Barton injured his ankle diving into the dugout.  His young son was there and the stuffed him up under the bench to hide him.  Barton’s Aide, Zach Barth was shot through the calf and after hugging the ground finally decided to make a run for the dugout as well.  Sustaining injuries as severe as Scalise’s was lobbyist Matt Mika.

As Majority Whip, Rep Scalise is the 3rd ranking Republican in the house.  As such, he is assigned a security detail by the Capitol Hill Police.  This morning the detail consisted of Officers David Bailey and Crystal Griner.  Both Bailey and Griner were hit by Hodgkinson.  Both returned fire.  Estimates of the number of shots were anywhere from 50 to 100.  In the end, Officer Bailey was able to eliminate the threat.  Hodgkinson suffered fatal gunshot wounds.

Senator Flake and Rep Wenstrup both ran immediately after the shooting stopped to Scalise who had dragged himself to into the outfield away from the direction of the shots.  They found the entry wound and looked for an exit wound.  Scalise was thirsty and they got him water.  Scalise was in good care, Wenstrup is a surgeon and a colonel in the Army Reserve and had served 1 tour in Iraq.  He later said that it was like being back in Iraq except he wasn’t armed.

Scalise, Mika and the shooter were life flighted out.  Hodgkinson died at the hospital.  Mika and Scalise have undergone multiple surgeries and are now out of ICU and Scalise is in good condition and MIka in fair.  Bailey, Griner, Barton and Barth were all treated and released from area hospitals.

The next night the Congressional Baseball Game went on as planned.  Throwing out the first pitch was one of the heroes, Officer David Bailey.  The Democrats defeated the Republicans 11-6.  

The shooting has spurred the introduction of legislation to allow reciprocity for members of Congress in who are licensed to carry at home or to get similar licensing through the Capital Hill Police.  Of course, why does Congress need special legislation when the existing bill for National Reciprocity would do the same thing.

 

Jeff- these guys and the rest of us would be better served if they had a USPSA competition instead of a baseball game.  I doubt any of the senators had an IFAK.

Rob- Col David Grossman calls a ball field a willful and deliberate waste of a good shooting range.  The politicians were disarmed because they worked in a gun free zone. So are we.  So are the political staff.

 

Tennessee Armed Citizens capture Escaped Georgia Inmates

Also last Tuesday, Donnie Rowe and Ricky Dubose were with 31 other inmates being transported on board a corrections bus in Putnam County GA.  At some point they were able to get out of the locked rear section and overpowered the two corrections officers.  After stopping the bus, they proceeded to murder the two officers with their own weapons.

The two then carjacked a Honda Civic from a man who pulled up behind the bus.  They proceeded north and robbed a home in Madison GA taking food, clothes and valuables and leaving their prison uniforms behind.  They then stole a Ford Pickup and continued their run to the north.  

In Shelbyville TN, the two held an elderly couple hostage and later fled in their car.  The police had been alerted to their presence and a chase ensued.  The inmates crashed the stolen car and fled on foot.  In the process of fleeing, there were shots exchanged with the police.

Nearby, a homeowner, Patrick Hale, had gotten calls that the two were in the area and to be alert.  He loaded his weapons to prepare.  A few minutes later he spotted the two crossing a fence some 300 yards from his home.  He then called 911 at this point.  At that point he started to leave with his young daughter.  As they were pulling down the driveway, Rowe and Dubose took off their shirts and waved them at the homeowner.  The two fugitives then surrendered and laid face down on the driveway.  Hale was armed but stated that he never pulled his weapon.  3 minutes later, 45 police officers arrived to take the two into custody.

There had been several conflicting reports about this last day.  It was stated that the two got in a gunfight with their pursuers but the two corrections officers guns were retrieved from the crashed vehicle.  It was also reported that Hale had drawn on the two but Hale stated he never drew his weapon.  The old saying of the Fog of War I guess applies here.

 

Paul I LOVE the fact that the guy was getting out of there. Priorities are right when he got his kids out

 

Rob- “I was loading all my guns and praying.”

 

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Voice mail

From Carl- Do we have barbeque guns?

Bill- Taurus Judge

Rob- I know we wear jeans and work gear during the weekday.  I’d upgrade my clothes when I’m visiting a friend.  I’d also wear my 1911 in basic black.

Rachel- is it ever not grilling season? G19 is my all-purpose gun

Bill-

Rob-

 

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Morning PS Crew,

With so many new gun owners I understand that some people may not be able to afford to take a training class. I know nothing can compare to getting into a class but for those that can’t afford it annually how do you all feel about training videos? Other than Rob Pincus who else would you recommend?

 

Thanks

JP

Bill-

 

Rob- A video is a supplement, not a substitute for coaching.  There is a difference between instruction, training, and coaching.  The difference is really important.  I’d be careful watching a video.  You may emphasize the the wrong aspects of the exercise.  A trainer can show you what you should do..and separate the important from the inconsequential.

Videos can’t look at you and show you where you’re making mistakes.

 

Rachel- To piggyback on what Rob said: if you are truly motivated to learn to be an excellent shooter, you can do so without spending much money.  Obviously, big-name courses (and a lot of little-known-name courses) are amazing experiences. But if you can’t afford them, save your pennies, take a basic class that’s well-recommended by local trainers *and civilians* (not big-name, but quality)……and then actually apply *everything* you were taught. During the class, take notes, ask questions, ask more questions, understand everything, work your brain a thousand times harder than you ever thought you could. Then come home and drill yourself. Be your own teacher. You’ll be a better shooter than most people who take many big-name classes. Also, train with others who are good at things you’re not. Don’t have money for ammo? Dry-fire. Ask for a 2-hour private lesson with someone – and ask them questions and ask them for homework.

Rob- Even a one-day course is more than you can learn in a day.  You’re not serious about training if you don’t take notes.  The notes will re-teach you the parts you saw, but didn’t learn.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I want our listeners to read my article Building Thoughtful Gun Owners.  Should we intervene if we see someone else being assaulted?  How do we know they are not armed?  Why did they ignore the ability to protect themselves.  If you want to be gun free, should I go against your wishes?  That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

Paul-  Bill, what is going on over at your podcast Firearms Chat?

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Grace Thames for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot,  Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Bill: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Susan: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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