Episode 295 – Stop Killing Cops

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 21st, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about police officers shot in the line of duty.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we report on another store clerk who defended himself in an armed robbery.. again.  These store clerks are becoming veteran gunfighters.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also cover the mugging of Rahm Emanuel’s son in Chicago , so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Because episode 295 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry Practice.  Nothing else.  I meant to donate to Regis Giles movie, but I didn’t.
John – I added a Swiss  Schmidt Rubin 1896/11 straight-pull rifle to my collection. I first heard about this rifle in a discussion by Ian McCollum on The Gun Nation podcast. Those Swiss soldiers must have been stout fellows because this rifle weighs 10 pounds and has a 30 ½” barrel! Supposedly, they are very accurate but I haven’t had a chance to check that out yet.
(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News

1) -We want to lead off today’s news segment on a bit of a sad note. Over the last 24 hours 3 police officers have lost their lives while performing their job. Two officers in New York City were murdered execution style on Saturday. Officers Winjian Liu and Rafael Ramos lost their lives when a thug ambushed them and murdered them execution style.  Both officers were struck in the head and died from their wounds.  The murderer was 28-year-old Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley.   The murderer took his own life when police approached him as he fled.  He had previously posted threats against police on social media.

Meanwhile in Tarpon Springs Florida, Officer Charles Kondek was killed in the line of duty Sunday morning.  We have always been pro law enforcement here and will continue to be so. Policing is difficult job that is largely thankless.  We would like to offer our condolences to the families and to all law enforcement officers everywhere.

John- As may be expected, anti-gun activists are blaming these shootings on the NRA.

Rob- A NAACP press release today says the killing of two NYPD police officers is just a “stark example of the need for sensible gun control measures.”

Also, as mayor Deblasio and his entourage snaked through a jammed third-floor corridor at Woodhull Hospital, where two officers had been pronounced dead just hours earlier, scores of grieving cops faced the walls and away from the leader they believe has failed them.

-12 no neighborhood is safe.. in Chicago.  Yesterday evening, Mayor Emanuel’s son Zach was assaulted in a robbery during which his phone was stolen,” Kelley Quinn said.  “He sustained injuries that required medical treatment.  Two people approached the teenager from behind as he was walking and talking on his cell phone.  One of the assailants “placed his arm around the victim’s neck in a bear chokehold.” Then, the other attacker punched Zach Emanuel in the face, knocking him to the ground, the report said.

According to the police, the teenager dropped his phone, and his attackers took it, then patted him down and asked, “What else you got?”

They forced him “to enter his security code to unlock the phone” and ran off.

2)-There is a special kind of stupid that they save for New Jersey Politicians.  Marcus Hubbard and three other men were in a car that ran a red light in Trenton, New Jersey.  A policeman pulled them over. The cops found a stolen handgun in a seatback pocket and a prescription bottle of codeine.  All four men in the car were charged after none of them took responsibility for the items.  There is one additional item of interest.  Marcus Hubbard can barely stand and has no use of his arms. He wasn’t driving the car since he injured his spine in a car accident months earlier.  He may also have Lou Gehrig’s disease.  He is usually moved around while someone else pushes his wheelchair.  Quote “He cannot move his arms. They are useless to him.”  He has been hospitalized while in protective custody since his arrest in August. There is stupid, and then there is New Jersey’s brand of bonus stupid.

Comment-  Wow, I feel so much safer now that New Jersey has strict anti-gun laws.

Paul comment – Something doesn’t quite smell right here. If he has almost no use of his arms he COULDN’T have had a drivers license unless the loss of the use of the arms came from the car accident. If it was long term – like from the Lou Gehrig’s disease – he would have lost or given up his license. Regardless in his current condition he should not have been charged.

3)- We like to think that we dig a little deeper to bring you accurate and important news.  Unfortunately, we live in an age of headline surfing.  That means lots of people make decisions based on first impressions.  That is why the anti-gun groups chose their names-

the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
the Violence Policy Center
the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

Note that none of these organizations actually advocates for enforcement of the 23 thousand existing firearms laws.  None of them offer or promote firearms safety classes that would stop accidents.  They simply advocate another restriction on firearms owners.. over and over again.  Their names are lies, and so are their press releases.  They wildly inflate the number of school shootings and victims because they need the emotional outrage in order to pass another law.  In an amazing and accidental flash of honesty, these anti-gun groups will admit that their new laws will do nothing to stop the tragedies they use to pass the next anti-gun law.  They never call it “gun control”.  They carefully call it universal registration.  That is their focus group tested marketing phrase.

Comment- Even their name is a lie.  They call themselves a “campaign” or a “center”.  In fact they are a few advocates funded by wealthy donors.
Comment-  You are our best ambassador for the right to keep and bear arms.  You are the secret antidote to their propaganda.
Comment- Unless you have a billion dollars.  Then we can use a few million.
Comment- We can use a few million people giving $50 each.


4)-Recent public polls have shown the steady increase in support for firearms ownership.  Part of that is driven by mass media and the distortions it creates.  The media distorts reality when one in a million people are hurt by a riot but the riot receives weeks of coverage.  Perhaps that is one reason we see increased support for firearms ownership.  Another is our increasing distrust of government institutions.  In any case, there has been some push back from the mainstream media to discredit the poll results.  Now that the anti-gun media doesn’t  like the answers, they are saying we should ask different questions to give them the anti-gun answers they prefer.  Here is something they won’t tell you.  Pew has been asking the same question for the last 21 year.  The people in favor of gun control fell from a peak of 66 percent to a current low of 46 percent.

Comment- try and spin that one, Bloomberg.
Comment- He will.

5)-Another anti-gun group was formed.. in the strangest way.  Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns has mostly been discredited.  It is now derided as Bloomberg’s illegal mayors against guns because so many of its members have been arrested.  Last week, a handful of state legislators from across the country gathered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to announce the creation of American State Legislators for Gun Violence Prevention.

The group claims to be non-partisan, but they will push new gun restrictions at the state level.  Fine, it is simply another Bloomberg funded anti gun group, but the coalition has one huge problem.  They won’t tell anyone who is a member.  They say they have members from all 50 states but the group will not release its membership list.  It is unethical for a secretive group to use government money and attack our constitutional rights.

Comment- I bet this is simply a way for a hand full of Bloomberg sock puppets to tell the media that they have many followers.
Comment- You can’t get a membership list from Bloomberg’s Illegal Mayor’s website any longer either.
Comment- The mainstream media will report what they are told by an anti-gun group without asking questions.

5A- Here is more crazy propaganda from an anti-gun filmmaker.  In this short youtube video, a boy steals an unholstered and presumably loaded firearm from his mother’s room.  Then he drops it unsecured into his bookbag.  Next, the takes the bookbag to school.  After class the boy pulls the pistol out of his bookbag and puts it on his startled teacher’s desk, saying, “Can you take this away? I don’t feel safe with a gun in my house.”

This is a fantasy video by director Rejina Sincic.  She advocates that teens commit multiple felonies.  Several of these crimes could get children killed.  All of this because of the hoplophobes irrational fear of firearms.  In the real world the student would be charged with felony weapons theft, unlawful possession of a weapon by a minor, illegal concealed carry of a weapon, carrying a weapon onto school property, assault, and brandishing a firearm.  He would be expelled from school and jailed.  This is the fantasy behavior that the filmmaker hopes children will emulate.

6)-This story is actually about the media too, but you have to listen all the way to the end.  To start, it won’t surprise you that another gun from the fast and furious scandal turned up at a crime scene in the US.  That is what we’d expect with thousands of guns sold to criminal gangs.   It won’t surprise you that the department of justice hid that fact.  It won’t surprise you that it took an investigative reporting organization like Judicial Watch to file a freedom of information request to get the crime scene evidence and to match the firearms serial numbers.  The US justice department is not about to come forward and say, ‘Yep, those gang hits last year were committed with a gun we deliberately sold to criminals.. One of 40 guns we let walk in a single day.’

This particular gun was a semi-auto style AK.  Two rival gang members were shot in Phoenix, Arizona where the gun was recovered.  What might surprise you is the silence from the media.  The story was covered by the Daily Mail in Britain, and by Breitbart news in the US.

7)-We’ve covered the bizarre prosecution of military veterans in the District of Columbia for having so much as a single empty shell casing.  Oh, the horror.  Contrast that with how NBC news announcer David Gregory was treated after he waved an illegal 30 round magazine around on-air from his DC studio.  Unlike the spent shell casing, the illegal ammunition magazine was fully functional.  That same action would put you or I in jail.  Well, it is good to be part of the mainstream media if you’re going to break DC gun laws.  Fortunately, legal investigations leave a broad trail of documents.  The conservative legal blog “Legal Insurrection” by Cornell Professor William Jacobson wanted to see those investigatory documents.  With the help of Judicial Watch, they filed a freedom of information request to see them.  DC refused to hand them over until a judge ordered them to do so.  Professor Jacobson has received some of the documents.

NBC News was warned by the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department that possession of the magazine was illegal, and advised to use a photo of the magazine, but not the real thing in the DC studios.  DC Attorney General, Irvin Nathan, noted the clear violation of the law, and decided not to prosecute Gregory or anyone else at NBC News for the violation.  DC prosecutes poor people who do not have the financial means to mount a strong legal defense, but they ignore firearms violations by major news organizations.

President Ulysses S Grant said “ I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.”  That is because everyone would soon see the law’s injustice.  In contrast, the best way to sustain an obscene law is to enforce it selectively against the defenseless.  That intimidates the honest citizens and satisfies the politically powerful.
Comment- Which condition do you think best fits the DC government and its gun laws?


8)-  A federal statute allows retired law enforcement officers to carry anywhere in the United States.  The idea behind that law is that a policeman or corrections officer has made a life time of enemies.  Unfortunately, these officers need department approval to apply for the federal carry permit.  That is what happened to Robert Smith.  He retired from the D.C. Jail six years ago.  He can have a gun in his home, thanks to the Heller ruling by the US Supreme court, but the District denies him a federal permit that would be recognized if Mr. Smith went to Maryland or Virginia.  Mr. Smith and three other retired corrections employees have sued the District and opened the debate repeated across the country.  It is not clear if the federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act applies to jail staff and parole officers.  Smith has also applied for a concealed carry permit under a new set of regulations approved by the D.C. Council, but it’s unclear whether he will qualify under the strict rules that require a person to show a specific documented by police reports.

Rob- Comment- Smith was paid by the district, and now is ignored by them.  Welcome, Mr. Robert Smith, to how the rest of us civilians are treated by your former employer.

9)-The gun-control paradise of California has an A-rating by the Brady Campaign.  That severely limits how honest civilians buy and sell firearms.  Less so the police.  A Northern California police commander pleaded guilty in federal court for possessing stolen firearms.  Commander John Nyunt of the Pacific Grove Police Department admitted to stealing rifles, shotguns and semi-automatic pistols from the Monterey Peninsula College Police Academy when it closed. Nyunt was an instructor at the academy and accepted the guns as a donation on behalf of his department.  He accepted the donation knowing that the Pacific Grove Police Department did not want the firearms and probably could not sell them.  Commander Nyunt sold most of the arms through a licensed firearms dealer, and sold five of them through person to person sales.  Nyum also operated as a private investigator and used the police department’s investigative software for his personal business.   Nyunt pleaded guilty to extortion and wire fraud.

10)- A student in upstate New York has won the right to have a photo of her posing with a rifle included as her senior portrait in the yearbook. Rebecca Rorick, selected a picture that showed her posing while out hunting with her dog and with a rifle in her left hand.  They showed the school board a 2012 yearbook photo which showed another high school senior holding a rifle beside a deer. The school board has a policy against weapons, but Superintendent Stephen Tomlinson said he didn’t have an issue with this particular photo. “She is not holding the gun in a malicious manner. She is not pointing it anywhere. It’s to me, in my opinion, a nice photograph of a young lady in the Adirondack region that enjoys hunting.”  The board sided with Rorick and her father, and so the portrait will now appear in the yearbook.

Rob comment-  Why was this ever a question?  More of my highschool friends were killed or injured in cars and on motorcycles than with firearms.  Despite that, we were allowed to bring cars on campus and were taught auto repair on campus.  My highschool friends died swimming, but we had a high school swimming pool and a swim team.  More people are injured playing high school school football or cheerleading than are injured by high school target shooting.  The reason we outlawed one and not the other is simply bigotry.

11-David Leyonhjelm is an Australian Senator.  He said Australia has been turned into a “nation of victims” by gun control laws.  This week’s Sydney cafe siege would have been less likely to happen if the gunman thought his hostages might be carrying concealed weapons.  Quote, “That nutcase who held them all hostage wouldn’t have known that they were armed and bad guys don’t like to be shot back at.  We are all disarmed victims” and that’s unacceptable.

Cafe hostages Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson shot by the Muslim terrorist moments before police stormed the shop and killed the gunman.  “It would have been illegal for the two dead hostages to have a knife, a stick, a pepper spray, a personal Taser, mace, anything like that for self-defence.  To turn an entire population into a nation of victims is just unforgivable.”

rob’s comment- Anti-gun Australian politicians will call for more gun control and more money for government security.  They don’t let a crisis go to waste.. even in Australia.  We disarmed you, now pay us more to protect you.

12- Eric Dietz is a Ph.D. and also the former director of Homeland Security for the state of Indiana.  He is now a professor at Purdue University, and he wanted to find out if armed citizens could prevent deaths in mass public shootings.  He researched the last 60 years of mass shootings and discovered that only two of them occurred where guns can be carried legally.  That blows apart the anti-gun argument claiming more guns means more mass shootings.  Gun ownership increased by 61% in the last 8 years. but violent crimes decreased by 13%.

He examined several scenarios and determined that the most crucial aspect is time. The more time a shooter has, the more people will die.

13- Families of some of the victims of the Newtown massacre filed suit against firearms manufacturer Bushmaster, and others in the retail supply chain whom they could blame for the murders at Sandy Hook.  One of the allegations in the lawsuit claims that the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the attack should not have been available to the public because it was “designed for military use.”

Here’s a news flash for you: nearly every firearm…ever…originated as a military arm.  Don’t believe me?  Let’s look at some examples.

Behold, the American flintlock long rifle.
The first lever action rifle to enjoy much success was the Henry rifle, introduced in 1860 and used by some Union Army units during the Civil War.
Care to guess how the Colt Single Action Army revolver got its name?  If you said, “because it was a pistol used by the Army,” go to the head of the class!
One of the most well-known military pistols, and a personal favorite of mine is the famous M1911 pistol, adopted by the U.S. Army as its standard service pistol in…you guessed it…1911.  Even the round it fired, the .45 ACP, was designed specifically for military use.
They say that the AR-15 was originally made for the military, and I suppose that is true.  The 1950’s technology of the AR-15 eventually morphed into the M-16 rifle which began being issued to the U.S. military in 1962.
Today, I couldn’t name all the companies making a variant of the AR-15.  It is the single most popular rifle sold in America today.

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The limitation of tyrants is the endurance of those they oppose. — Frederick Douglass
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Segment 3 Interviews
Segment 4 DGUs

Karen Collins and her current boyfriend Robert Esteves attended a Christmas party last Saturday and then returned to Esteves home in River Ridge, Louisiana. Around 4am Sunday, they were awakened by Ms. Collins’ ex-boyfriend Bobby Edler. He ordered them out of bed at gunpoint and then forced Collins towards the front door. Esteves was able to retrieve his shotgun and fired at Edler from the second floor balcony. This gave Ms. Collins a chance to escape and she ran to neighbors to call 9-1-1. When police arrived, they found Edler dead and Esteves wounded in the arm. No charges have been brought against Mr. Esteves as it appeared it he acted in self-defense.

Friday evening, Deandre Twyman, 22, and another man invaded a home in Indianapolis. This proved fatal for Twyman as the homeowner was armed. Twyman was shot in the stomach and later died at Community East Hospital. The homeowner and his fiancee were unharmed in the attack. The other suspect is still on the loose but is reported known to police. No charges are pending against the homeowner.

-Grayson Matthews, a store clerk in Hamilton, Ohio, has been robbed twice in the last three years at gunpoint while working at his brother’s store. Fortunately, both times he was armed and was able to defend himself. The first time the robber aimed what Matthews took for a shotgun at him while he demanded more money. Matthews was able to get to his .38 revolver and shot the robber in the shoulder. Now, on Saturday night, two suspects entered the store and attempted to rob it. Gunfire ensued and one of the robbers later turned up at the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head. Matthews was shot in the arm and was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital for treatment. Detectives are still investigating the incident.

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Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Voice mail from Greg in Bremerton.
Email from Ken in Arizona

Hi, Paul. My friend just outside of Melbourne (the one in Australia, not the one in Florida), sent me this story. I hadn’t heard about it, but thought you’d find it of interest.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ
Free State

PS Martha McSally was declared the winner against the Gabby Giffords Proxy in Tucson. YAY!
PPS Merry Christmas, all of you guys.

Begin forwarded message:

From: “Barry Davidson” <bkdavo@bigpond.com>
Subject: FW: Natural causes

Date: December 20, 2014 2:17:10 AM MST

To: <avlisk@cox.net>

Hi again Ken. Just received this one also. You’ve probably seen it or heard about it but I’ll send it anyway just in case. The “68” rounds made me smile. I wonder how many our terrorist had in him. And I wonder if our cops used all up the rounds they had. No doubt this will come out eventually. In my humble opinion they deserved everything they both got.

Subject: Fw: Natural causes

Looks like Florida has a sheriff like Arizona has . . .

Polk County Florida Sheriff – “You kill a policeman it means no arrest…no rights… no negotiations…nothing but as many bullets as we can shoot into you….”


An illegal alien, in Polk County , Florida , who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop, ended up”executing” the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed.

The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area. As soon as he took a shot at the SWAT team, officers opened fire on him. They hit the guy 68 times.

Naturally, the media went nuts and asked why they had to shoot the poor, undocumented immigrant 68 times.

Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel: “Because that’s all the ammunition we had.”

The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes. When asked by a reporter how that could be, since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied . . ..”When you are shot 68 times you are naturally going die.”

-This is from Doctor John in Texas.


Did you guys cover the lame duck Senate confirmation of Vivek Murthy as Surgeon General?  Please ask people (especially health care workers) to go to DRGO.us for more info. Also we need physicians and other health workers to get involved with Congressmen and Senators to monitor (oversight) Dr. Murthy’s activities.



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Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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One thought on “Episode 295 – Stop Killing Cops

  1. Wow, so much to comment on with this episode.
    1. Thank you! This episode got me through a 60 minute bike ride in the gym. Working off my Christmas dinner.
    2. Don’t tell the “Unnamed Trucker” but his podcast has, indeed, become my second favorite podcast, thanks to this one.
    3. Martha McSally is a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate and former A-10 pilot and the first woman in U.S. history to fly a combat aircraft into enemy territory when she flew into Iraq. Her “bad A$$” bona fides go on and on. Check out McSally vs. Rumsfeld. Let’s hope she holds tight on 2nd amendment issues.
    4. Love that you added Susan to the podcast in a prominent role. The contrasting voices, the additional exchange of ideas, and one more person to poke fun at Paul, keeps the podcast interesting.
    5. I was intrigued by the dash cam discussion and it’s prompted me to consider adding one to my vehicle. There’s a lot to research on the features and capabilities. I started with a YouTube search on, “A Beginners Guide to Dashcams / Car DVR Cameras.” I’m hoping Paul can share what he currently uses, and what he’s considering as an upgrade.
    6. Keep up the good work!

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