Episode 293 – Opinions Changing on Gun Ownership

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a change in attitudes towards gun control.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and gun owners are finally getting some love in the polls.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and in DGUs we also cover a 74 year old that fought back, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 293 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- IDPA cancelled due to mud.  Dry practiced with a friend.  That included slow and perfect presentations, perfect trigger presses, and then presentations with a timer.  I continued the “isometric” exercises by holding a gun in the perfect shooting posture and grip.  I did that with the pistol and rifle.  Ouch.
John – I put on my new Magpul handguards on my lightweight AR that I’m working on. I have a Minimalist stock for it – I just need to find where I put it! Other than that, it was the end of the semester and I was grading exams, posting grades, etc.
Gary- New PD ammo finally showed up
Rob- We get to brag on Rachel, even though she isn’t here.  She was in a video where she talked about meeting Texas Governor elect Greg Abbott.
(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News
John 1-Your efforts are paying off.  We said that every gun owner is an ambassador for the right to keep and bear arms.  Gun ownership is up, and so is the opinion of our fellow americans about owning firearms.  Pew Research has polled public opinion about guns for at least twenty years.  For the first time there is more support for gun rights than for gun control.  Today, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership. Polling showed a significant dip in support for gun ownership immediately after the Newtown school murders.  Those murders occurred two years ago today.

The latest national survey asked whether gun ownership in this country does more to protect people or put people’s safety at risk. 57 percent, nearly six-in-ten of us, say gun ownership does more to protect people from becoming victims of crime, while 38% say it does more to endanger personal safety.

That is true for blacks as well as whites.  Currently, 54% of blacks say gun ownership does more to protect people than endanger personal safety.  That percentage has doubled since the Newtown murders.  By contrast, there was only a 10 percent dip in support for firearms ownership after newtown.  The difference in opinion based on political affiliation has grown over the last two years.

2-A Firearms Instructor in Georgia was told to remove his NRA Instructor hat when he went to vote.  Now he is suing the state of Georgia as well as election officials in Douglas County for violating his civil rights. Southeastern Legal Foundation filed the lawsuit on behalf of Bundy Cobb.  Mr. Cobb is an Army veteran who owns and runs a self-defense firearms school called True Aim Defense.

After producing his ID, as required at the polling place, a poll monitor told Cobb he had to take off the NRA hat in order to vote. When Cobb questioned the poll worker, he was told that wearing the hat constituted electioneering because “the NRA is perceived to be associated with Republicans.” But Cobb says his hat has nothing to do with political affiliation. He wears the hat because it promotes his gun safety instruction business.

Quote “the lawsuit seeks declaratory and injunctive relief to redress and prevent unconstitutional restrictions on free speech and free association.  If Cobb had refused to remove his hat while voting he could have been subject to a fine, arrest, and imprisonment.  Bundy Cobb represents thousands of Georgians and millions of Americans who meet their civic obligations and exercise their rights with the firm conviction that the government should not infringe on the constitutional rights of citizens, period, full stop.  This case is not about the NRA, nor is it about whether people like the NRA.  Imagine if the same election officials had forbidden a t-shirt with a labor union logo — a union that had endorsed a Democratic candidate.” close quote.

3-New York Police are mostly honest and hard working.  Some are corrupt.  Two cases have come up where it looks like police planted evidence.  The police receive a tip from a anonymous source saying someone has a gun.  A few minutes later, these police officers find a man matching the informer’s detailed description at the reported location.  A gun is discovered; an arrest is made.  In several cases involving the same officers, the gun was found in a plastic bag or a handkerchief, with no traces of the suspect’s fingerprints on the bag or the gun.

The police did not mention a confidential informer until months after the arrests and none of the informers have come forward, even when defense lawyers and judges have requested they appear in court.  The suspects said the guns were planted by the police.

Comment- From what I’ve now learned, I’m skeptical to believe a police officer if I were on a jury.

Gary- 4- A Houston police officer has been caught on video illegally harassing a Second Amendment demonstrator.  Then the officer attempted to destroy the video evidence. A Texas man was openly carrying a gun-rights poster and an AR-15 in public.  That is legal Texas.  The officer came up and questioned him. The officer asked the man for ID and the demonstrator told the officer that he did not have his identification on him.  The cop then threatened the demonstrator with arrest. The officer demanded the man take his gun off and threw his poster to the ground.

“You are going to jail for failure to ID because you can’t tell me who you are, you can’t prove who you are. I’m tired of you idiots coming out here,” the officer said. That’s when the officer realized he was being recorded.  The officer said, “Take the phone off now because we are going to erase it because you’re recording everything.”

The officer tried, but failed to delete the recording.  What the officer did was unlawful and a violation of Houston Police Department policy.  The Houston Police Department declined to comment on the incident because it is under investigation.

John Comment- Under investigation?  Sure it is.
Rob Comment- There will be no charges against the officer.

5-If you need a victim and don’t have one, then you invent one.  That is what you do if you are the Cable News Network.  CNN reported a shooting at a Oregon Highschool.  What really happened was this.  Several students were off campus.  They attend the Rosemary Anderson alternative High School.  It is a storefront school for students who have been expelled from regular school.  About 150 students go to that alternative school.  They are students who were previously expelled, dropped out, ran away from home, or are single parents.  In what looks to be a gang shooting, five shots were fired at a group of students who were standing on the street and sidewalk next to the school building.  Four students were injured.  We don’t know if the students were part of a gang or not.  Police arrested a 22 year old suspect who is a gang member.

6- Human rights advocate Kenn Blanchard has been on our podcast several times.  Kenn produces the “Black Man with a Gun podcast”.  He was used for several quotes in a Christian Science Monitor article about open carry while black.  Kenn said he doesn’t like open carry.  It does make a political statement about the right of self-defense, but as a black man, Kenn thought it put him at risk.  Quote- “I don’t want to give a police officer that second of time to say, ‘Is he a bad guy?’ I don’t want that to be on me.. It’s the same thing since the Civil War, it hasn’t changed – we have a holdover from the sins of our fathers.”

Rob 7-Painted guns work both ways.  In theory, police know that a child carrying a painted gun is not a threat.  In practice, criminals know that too.  Police in southwest Ohio arrested a man with a loaded handgun painted bright red to resemble a toy. 23-year-old Orlando Lowery had a bright red .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol.. and 9 grams of crack cocaine. Lowery was charged with third-degree carrying concealed weapons and fourth-degree possession of drugs, both felonies. The arrest Friday came just four days after legislation was introduced in Ohio to require that lookalike guns be brightly colored or otherwise marked.

red gun
Comment- Now that is another meaning of a “Red Gun”.
Rob- California passed a colored gun law.  Same results.

Rob 8-Founded by London artist McCrow, One Less Gun is a British gun control group asking people to donate a firearm and 5 pounds to cover the destruction of the firearm. The donor will receive a thank you note in the form of a bullet casing with the serial number of the weapon destroyed etched upon it. One Less Gun says its because “1,000 people a day are dying as a result of [guns],” thus it follows in their minds that lessening the number of guns will equal a lessening the number of deaths.
Comment – Wow, I didn’t realize that they had 365,000 gun deaths annually in Great Britain!
Comment – It also leaves people defenseless against the criminal element. A cricket bat versus a thug with a firearm is not a fair match.
John Comment- I knew the British were afraid of guns.  Now I find out they are afraid of numbers too and can’t add.

Rob 9- Anti gun Governor Terry McAuliffe will call for a package of gun restrictions in Virginia.  They include renewing the state’s one-a-month limit on handgun purchases and revoking concealed-handgun permits for parents who are behind on child-support payments.  The proposals are unlikely to pass the legislature.

Gun Quotes
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” -Thomas Jefferson (and Gary Daugherty)
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

Gary -A man was working in his upstairs home office in Antioch, California about mid day.  His wife called to tell him their home alarm system had gone off.  The man armed himself and went to check the rest of the house and the alarm system.  The homeowner came downstairs and found a man and woman going through his belongings.  He told them to leave.  They argued and he fired several shots.  The suspects fled and took some of the man’s property with them.  The wounded man was picked up at a local hospital. Both the man and woman were arrested for burglary.  The homeowner was not charged.

Gary- If you’re going to use a gun, it is best to bring your own.. except in Washington DC.  A man was being robbed in Southeast Washington late at night.  The criminal pointed a sawed off double barrel shotgun at the man.  The man took the shotgun away from the criminal and shot him. 18 year old Channel Johnson died at the scene.  The 20 year old victim remained at the scene and called police.  Johnson had a criminal record as a juvenile.

Johnson’s mother said she does not think her son tried to rob the man or that he had a gun.  She also said, Quote  “If he had the gun, like the police say, then why did he have to shoot?”

That was the first of four shootings in DC that night.

John- We’ve reported on stories similar to this one.  It ends with two criminals going to the hospital with gun shot wounds.  They were shot by an elderly home owner.  The homeowner had been burglarized before.  The homeowner shoots the intruders in his home.  The two criminals climb in through a ground floor window.  The homeowner gets his handgun and goes to investigate.  The event starts when the homeowner hears the sound of breaking glass and forced entry.  The latest example was in Birmingham Alabama.  The 68 year old homeowner did not know he’d shot the burglars and said, “I hope they are OK.”

John- An apartment resident was armed, but Brandon Bolin probably didn’t know that.  Bolin knew that he was armed before the broke into an apartment in Columbus, Ohio.  Bolin forced his way into the apartment and was confronted by the resident late at night.  The resident shot Bolin, who died inside the apartment.  Nineteen year old Bolin was also involved in a fatal street brawl last year.  No charges have been filed against the resident.

Rob-Two young men, Marcus Gould and Leon Roberson, thought the C&S Gun and Pawn Shop would be an easy target when they went to rob it on a Saturday morning. Entering the Springdale, Arkansas store two Saturdays ago, they pulled handguns from under their sweatshirts and started to rob the store. They forced Clint Cornett to the ground. That’s when Shirley Cornett, age 74, pulled her .38 revolver and shot Gould in the arm. The robbers then fled. They brought Gould to a Ft. Smith hospital and concocted a story about him being shot in Little Rock. Police thought it was fishy and discovered the two were part of the gun shop robbery. The sweatshirts and guns were found in their car. Both are in jail charged with Attempted Capital Murder and Aggravated Robbery.

John – Unbelievably, a local business owner was upset that Mrs. Cornett defended herself! He said it wasn’t right.

Rob- We read a lot of firearms news.  This is the season when we see hunting accidents with negligent discharges.  We’ve also noticed accidents with un-holstered handguns.  Our listeners know better.  Four safety rules.  All the time.  Safety is part of being a good ambassador. Thank  you for your diligence.

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Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

  • E-mail from Bill

In a recent show you talked about a robber pointing his gun at the head of a kneeling employee. You asked if you would shout telling him to stop or just start shooting. I think I’d probably shout first. If I do so the bad guy would hopefully look at me and start to point his gun in my direction. When he started the gun moving he would no longer be pointing it at the head of the other person and I hope I could put some rounds in him before he got it pointing at me.

The idea, and I could easily be wrong; if I just start shooting he might react by jerking his trigger and at that range he’d likely shoot the employee in the head. I’ve always wondered if being shot, even in the head, would induce an involuntary shot. I just don’t know.

On a different topic, I want to thank you for pointing out that Texas is not a gun owners paradise. While it is better than many states it isn’t the best but has improved greatly. I remember when you couldn’t even have a handgun in your car. Many of the carry restrictions that were first written into our carry laws have been removed.

The recent issue with the Austin police chief is nothing new. When concealed carry first passed, the Austin chief at the time ordered her officers to arrest anyone carrying a gun whether they had a license or not. (Texas is one of the few must inform states.) He said the judge could let them out but she wouldn’t have people carrying a gun in her city.

What really needs to change is that bureaucrats need to be held personally responsible for their BS. Think that San Diego sheriff would be as stubborn as he is if he had to personally finance his fight instead the taxpayers having to foot the bill? Perhaps a couple of nights in his own jail for contempt of court charges would be appropriate and I bet would work wonders in getting carry licenses issued.


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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about Sandy Hook in an article called “Looking dead children in the eye”.  I also noticed how much best practice has changed over time.  I wrote about that in “A brief history of violence”.  They are up at my blog, at Clash Daily and at Ammoland.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Rob, John for Gary for joining us today.  John and Rob, will you be on the midweek show?
Rob- I’ll be there.  Regis Giles will join us to talk about her new movie.
John- I’ll be there too, and Stephen Halbrook will join us.
Paul- I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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