Episode 292 – DGU’s Galore


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, December 10th, 2014.  I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob- I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk about our own Rachel Malone meeting the governor elect of Texas.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a disabled Marine who is happy he has a holster in his walker. , so climb aboard.
Rob: strap in
Rachel- and hang on!  Episode 292 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel meets the governor elect of Texas.Rachel Abbott

Rachel supports Austrian manufacturers. Glock 22

Rob has no life since the weekend.  Any book recommendations for a gunnie to add to his christmas list?

  • The Grey Man: Vignettes and The Grey Man – Payback – Jim Curtis
  • The law of self-defense – Andrew Branca
  • Deady Force- understanding your right of self-defense. – Massad Ayoob
  • Hands off my gun- Dana Loesch

John- We were banished from the baby shower, so this weekend my son-in-law’s dad and I put together my carbon fiber lower from Tegra Arms. I still have to replace the handguards and stock but right now it is coming in at 6 lb 4 oz. The upper is a Bushmaster lightweight. I changed out the A2 flash-hider with a PWS Triad flash-hider/compensator.

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Seg 2- News
Rachel- In the last podcast you had FOUR news segments.  Different weeks are different.  This time we might need that many segments to cover the defensive gun uses.  Since I’m reading the news this week, we’ll start and end with news from Texas.

1- The Texas legislature has finally accepted the idea of Texans carrying handguns openly.  Now they have to decide between competing bills, and a conflict is emerging over how far changes to the current state law should go. Alice Tripp, lobbyist for the Texas State Rifle Association, says, “We are supporting what will pass.” The TSRA is known for opposing open carry in the past, and is this year supporting some of the more restrictive and problematic open carry legislation. By contrast, newer gun groups comprised of gun owners are gaining the attention of legislators as they push for greater reform, such as  Constitutional Carry. In the last two legislative sessions, Texas lawmakers have unsuccessfully pushed to allow handgun license holders to openly carry their firearms. Five nearly identical bills that would do that have already been filed.  A sixth, from state Rep. Jonathan Stickland, a Republican, would allow Texans to carry a handgun openly without a license. 17560/u30ZArIzsUmsyFm8gCVimQ Another bill, filed today, proposes an amendment to the Texas Constitution that would remove the authority of the legislature to regulate the wearing of handguns. This paves the way for Constitutional Carry in Texas.

2- Some so called environmentalists want to stop hunting.  How else do you explain them hiding research studies.  Studies demonstrated that the lead ammunition ban in California did nothing to lower lead blood levels in the California Condor?  No one knows how the Condors are finding lead in their diet, the lead is still there years after lead ammunition was banned in the Condor habitat.  The California legislature outlawed lead ammunition anyway across the state.  The reports came out AFTER the vote, and the head of the California state Condor recovery project hid the data showing the lead ban was useless.

John- I would not look for justice from a California judge.

3- We told you that firearms owners in Washington state were not going to take the intrusive initiative 594 without protest. The bill criminalizes  common non-violent actions, like renting a nail gun at a hardware store.  It also outlaws firearms training unless the training is conducted at a licensed gun range.  Your neighbor can’t come over to your house and learn about her new handgun.  You’re forbidden to touch her gun and she is forbidden to touch yours.  A few thousand gun owners are going to break the law this Saturday at an “I will not comply” rally in Olympia.  Since you have gun owners together, we might as well bring in some speakers to rally them.  Speakers include Ammon Bundy, son of the Nevada rancher who fought federal officials earlier this year over use of public land.  Mike Vanderboegh, the citizen journalist who helped uncover the Fast and Furious scandal. Sheriff Richard Mack, the former Arizona lawman who started the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. And Washington State Representative Elizabeth Scott.  There is another protest scheduled for january 15th when the legislature is in session.

John- We used to have a country where anything that wasn’t forbidden was permitted.  Now, everything that is not permitted is forbidden.

Rob- I get it.  May I see your license for that nail gun.

4- As we reported earlier, Nevadans for State Gun Rights had challenged the universal background check initiative efforts of the Bloomberg-supported Nevadans for Background Checks over a number of irregularities including missing deadlines, lack of required affidavits, and pre-dated affidavits. Despite these irregularities, Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, certified the submission as “sufficient” and the initiative will go forward.

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Nevadans for State Gun Rights is not stopping their challenges. As they say in their statement, “If the Secretary of State cannot comply with his own laws and rules, the petition validation process is seriously flawed and the results and certification are invalid. The Nevadans for State Gun Rights PAC will continue to file these complaints with public officials until the law is followed.” They expect this to end up in court.

John – Going to court is expensive. We have a link to their fundraising plea in our show notes. Please contribute as we need to stop this in its tracks.

5-This week, hundreds of women in the Mexican town of Xaltianguis formed their own community defense organization .. an armed defense organization.  They want to protect their town from organized crime. They formed a group called the Union of Peoples and Organizations of Guerrero State.  The women form teams and patrol their neighborhoods of Xaltianguis.  The small town is next to Acapulco.  Unfortunately the group only has about 80 guns and the several hundred women rotate the weapons and share them between teams as they rotate on duty.  Guerrero is the Mexican state where a mayor ordered the police and drug gangs to kill 42 student teachers. No wonder the citizens want to be armed.

Rob- a living example of why citizens need to be armed.

6- Compare the brave women in Mexico with a bunch of Connecticut teachers.  Several female teachers and staff from Sandy Hook Connecticut said that armed school staff would not have stopped the murder who attacked their school.  The teachers claim that armed school staff with a handgun at short range could not have stopped an intruder with a rifle.  Really?  What about the Clackamas mall shooting where someone with a handgun stopped a madman with a rifle?  Maybe the teacher means that people couldn’t defend themselves at schools.  What about the several Oregon school shootings that were stopped by resource officers with a handgun, and the colorado school library shooting where two resource officers stopped a murder who carried a shotgun?  I guess the teachers are ignorant of the Mississippi school vice principal who stopped a rifle bearing murderer.  The Vice principal had to run to his truck because it was against school rules for him to take his pistol on school property.

Rob- Let’s accept the teachers at their word.  Handguns can’t stop a murderer with a rifle, and attacking an armed intruder is more dangerous than defense.  Then why did the school staff bother to call the police and put law enforcement at risk in a pointless exercise?

John- The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3 The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.  Citizens are the real first responders.  Time is critical.  People die while we wait for the police.

Rachel- About another dozen die on average.

Rob-  These teachers are showing us a psychological reaction called learned helplessness.  Teachers and school administrators made themselves unable to protect the very children the law forced into their classrooms.  Rather than face the effects of their poor decisions, they invent a world where the horrible outcome was unavoidable.


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7-Another gun free zone was down for repairs in Chicago.  Unfortunately, the city forgot to take down the gun free zone signs and two people were shot by criminals who never read the gun-free zone signs.  Two teenagers are in stable condition after a shooting on a Chicago Transit Authority bus.  Chicago Public Transit is a gun free zone for licensed concealed carry holders, but not for criminals.  The criminal got on the bus and shot a 15 year old boy in the chest and a 15 year old girl in the leg.  Both of the victims were carrying book bags, but the shooting occurred at 10AM.

There are lots of broken gun-free zones in across Chicago this week.  38 people were shot in Chicago this week and an additional 6 were shot and killed.

John- Illinois.  Illinois.. That is the state that just made it illegal to take cell phone video of the police.

Rob- Wait a minute, John.  Didn’t President Obama, who is from Chicago, tell us that he wants ALL police to wear video monitors?  I guess video evidence is good if the police have it, but bad if we have it.  That is so.. so..

John- Political.  The word you’re looking for is political.

8-We have more news from the other city with failed gun control.  23 people were shot in New York City between early Saturday and the end of the day Sunday.  That happened in 13 separate shootings.

The Bronx leads the way with 242 people shot this year, up 26 percent from last year. In Queens, 116 people have been shot, up 5 percent, in Manhattan, 74 people have been shot, up 7 percent, and in Brooklyn, 368 people have been shot, up 14 percent.  Mayor De Blasio says crime rates are going down.

John- The mayor is right.  Crime rates ARE going down, but not for murder in gun-free new york city.

Rachel- To begin the weekend, three people were shot in East Harlem.

A few hours later, a man was shot in upper Manhattan.

Two men were fatally shot a few hours later.  They died when a motorist got out of his car and shot them both.  They were shot in the neck and the back.

A two more men were shot in Brooklyn.

Three people were shot in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx.  They include a 19-year-old shot in the arm, a 24-year-old also shot in the arm and a 29-year-old was shot in the thigh.

Later, two men got out of a car, fired more than 20 rounds and hit four people in the South Jamaica neighborhood of Queens.  Two of the victims were in critical condition.

Those are just the shootings.  That doesn’t count knife attacks in the city that also outlaws pocket knives.  Police shot a man in the Bronx after he attacked a woman with a knife.  Four people were hurt in two separate slashings on subway trains in midtown.

Rob- Isn’t gun control wonderful?

John- and knife control.

Rob- Mayor De Blasio says it works, so it must be wonderful.


Rachel- I wish this were news, but we have more e-mails coming out that show the Obama administration is lying.  Wake up, John.  This is news.

9-The Obama administration denied it targeted gun shops by applying political pressure on banks to deny them credit.  The program was called operation choke point.  A congressional report that shows Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation regulators deliberately targeted the firearms industry.  Banks were threatened with audits and lower risk ratings if they did business with businesses that are out of official favor.

The congressional oversight report offered three primary conclusions:

  1. Operation Choke Point is an abuse of the Department’s statutory authority.
  2. While broadly concerned with all industries deemed “high risk,” the initiative is particularly focused on legal businesses.
  3. As a consequence of Operation Choke Point, banks are indiscriminately terminating relationships with legal and legitimate merchants across a variety of business lines.

This final conclusion is incontrovertible: banks are “exiting ‘high-risk’ lines of business.”  The FDIC management was taught to mention the porn industry when they testified in front of congress, but they went after gun stores.

Rob- The bureaucrats say they promise to enforce public values, while in fact, they enforce our own.  How about you enforce the law and you leave your values at home with your personal life!

10- A Florida lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow people to carry concealed weapons on the campuses of state colleges and universities. Rep. Greg Steube, R-Sarasota, said he already planned to sponsor the measure (HB 4005) before a shooting incident last month at Florida State University — but that the attack, which left three people injured and the gunman dead, helps to make his point. The bill, filed Monday, would apply to people who are licensed to carry concealed weapons. “I think it (the attack) brings it closer to home for people who think these events don’t occur in Florida, or that law enforcement can prevent them from happening,” Steube told The News Service of Florida on Tuesday. He said that although Tallahassee and university police officers reached Florida State’s Strozier Library less than five minutes after the shooting, more people could have died in that time… National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer said Steube’s bill didn’t originate with the NRA, but she supports it on the grounds that law-abiding citizens who are licensed to carry concealed weapons shouldn’t be prevented from carrying firearms in places where they may be in danger…


11- This is our final news from Texas.  Last episode we reported that the University of Wyoming Faculty Senate voted against guns on campus.  Compare that with Student Body President Kyle Kelly signing a Student Senate act that advocates for the concealed carry of handguns in campus buildings at Texas A&M.  The Personal Protection Act allows concealed carry licensees to be able to carry handguns in campus buildings.

Student governments can’t change University policy or state law, but they advocate to administrators and legislators on behalf of the students.  The student body president said, “I have gone from being against the issue .. to now .. being in favor of concealed carry on campus.  Part of that is because what I..learned.. it would be a great thing from a rights (standpoint).. but most importantly (from a) public safety standpoint.”

Cary Cheshire authored the proposal.  He called it an opportunity to increase campus safety.

“We look at institutions of higher education across the United States and violent crime is increasing.  Sexual assault, specifically here in Texas, is rapidly increasing.  I think instead of perpetuating the victim class by telling law-abiding citizens that they can’t protect themselves, we ought to empower individuals to feel safe and to feel secure.”

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“Keeping and bearing arms is not only a fundamental right; it is a fundamental duty upon which all liberty and sovereignty is based.” -Donald L. Cline

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Segment 3 Interviews

Segment 4 DGUs

We monitor cases of defensive gun use from across the county.  For a while it seemed like things were slowing down after Thanksgiving.  Now it seems criminals are getting the Christmas Crime done early.

1-32-year-old Eugene Fredrick Quinnett walked into a Meineke Car Care Center in Fargo, North Dakota.  By the time the store manager reached him, Quinnett was opening drawers behind the counter.  The store manager questioned him and Quinnett put his hand in his jacket and said he had a gun.  The news report doesn’t say if the thief was actually armed, but the store manager drew his real gun and Quinnett ran out of the store empty handed.

The store manager gave a good description of Quinnett.  Fargo police found him at a local motel.  The thief is now in the Cass County Jail facing felony robbery charges.  He was also arrested on an outstanding warrant.  The store manager and his employees were back at work a few hours later.

2- 25-year-old Christopher Wirshup, broke through the window of the main office at Columbia Gorge Airport early in the morning.  One employee called 911 after hearing the glass break, another person in the area went to investigate the noise.  The intruder was stuffing his pockets with candy.  The intruder was so startled by an armed employee that that he threw the peppermint patties up in the air and laid down on the floor.  That armed employee was Darren Lacock.  Lacock is the service technician at the airport.. as well as being a volunteer firefighter and concealed carry holder.

When law enforcement arrived, Lacock began to withdraw his firearm that was pointed at Wirshup. “No, no, no. Keep on pointing it”, the Deputy said as he began to search the suspect.

Lacock has his concealed carry permit in both Washington State and Oregon, and he says he regularly carries his firearm.  “I’m a personal believer in being prepared.”

3- Police say a 28-year-old man broke in his 35-tear-old girlfriend’s apartment and held her captive. She escaped and frantically beat on a neighbor’s door pleading for help.

A 40-year-old man let her in, but the ex-boyfriend charged inside and attacked the man, that man got a gun and opened fire on the ex-boyfriend.

“And then I heard the first one and thought it cannot be a gunshot, and then the second one and yeah, that was a gunshot,” said Jonathan Perez.

The ex-boyfriend staggered out and made it 150 yards before he collapsed just as Scottsdale Police arrived. Rescue crews took the ex-boyfriend to Scottsdale Healthcare Osborn where http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/27581712/2014/12/09/pd-neighbor-shoots-man-chasing-ex-girlfriend

4- A sixty-eight-year-old disabled veteran needs a walker to get around.  He was disabled several years ago after he was hit by a truck while riding his bicycle.  That doesn’t mean he is defenseless.  It only means he can’t run.  Two men tried to break into his house in Gastonia, North Carolina.  The homeowner heard someone prying the lock off his front door.  He grabbed his .45-caliber pistol and put it in a holster on his walker.  So armed, he began shuffling toward the sound at the front of his house. He flipped a hallway light on.  Before he yanked open the door, he yelled out to announce he was armed.  He briefly saw two men standing there wearing ski masks.  The Marine Corps veteran said “It was like a keystone cops scene when the two thieves saw his .45.  One ran one way up the street, and the other went the other way.”  His daughter put up a hand written note the next day.  “Enter at your own risk.”

5-A man in Red Springs, North Carolina got a call at work from his wife.  She saw a strange car sitting in front of their house as she left.  The man returned home and found a stranger sleeping in a car in front of his house.  The stranger drove away when the homeowner tapped on the car window.  The homeowner then entered his home to find two masked burglars.  One of the burglars was armed and shot the homeowner in the shoulder.  He returned fire and killed 28 year old Randal Dwight Hardin Junior.  The other intruder fled.  The homeowner called 911 for help.  He is recovering from his wound, and the police are looking for the two other robbers.

Break Back with news from texas.

6-Tyler police responded to a shooting that happened early Tuesday during an attempted burglary in Tyler, Texas. One person is confirmed to be dead.

Police say 44-year-old Luke Garrison, a Brownsboro resident, was shot while breaking into a home

There were police reports of a suspicious person trying to break into a home in Tyler, Texas.  The first attempted break in was unsuccessful.  A few days later, the elderly homeowner heard glass breaking.  He retrieved his shotgun and walked down the hall.  That is when he saw an intruder carrying a large pry bar or screwdriver.  The intruder lunged at the old man.  The homeowner shot the intruder in the left side of the chest.  Police and medical personnel found the 44 year old intruder lying inside the front door of the home.  The intruder matched the suspect description in the suspicious person report.

7- A woman was walking her dog early in the morning.  She lives in Birmingham, Alabama.  When she and the dog returned to their apartment, a robber kept her from closing the door and forced her inside.  The robber pushed her to the floor and put his hand over her mouth to silence her screams.  The woman’s husband heard the commotion and fought the robber to get him off his wife.  The wife called 911.  The husband retreated to their bedroom and grabbed his shotgun.  That is when the fight ended.  The couple held the suspect until police arrived.

John- No shots fired.

8-  A hunter in Medina, Ohio shot himself while climbing up into his tree stand.  A nearby hunter heard him scream and dialed 911.  The hunter was taken to Southeastern Med where he was last listed in stable condition.   The correct procedure when hunting from a tree stand is to empty the chamber and then raise and lower the rifle to and from the tree stand on a line AFTER you’ve secured your harness to the stand.  Also, hoist the firearm with the barrel pointed DOWN, not up at you.

Follow the four safety rules, guys. http://www.daily-jeff.com/local%20news/2014/12/07/hunter-accidentally-wounds-himself-while-climbing-into-a-tree-stand-near-kimbolton

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Rachel- John, tell us about your latest post from your “No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money” blog.

John- We have talked a lot about I-594 in Washington State. Two of the ritzier neighborhoods in Seattle – Laurelhurst and Windermere – hire off-duty cops and private security guards to patrol their neighborhood. It seems Seattle leads the nation in property crime and they want to be protected. Interestingly enough, these neighborhoods voted 9 to 1 in favor of I-594 and residents including Bill Gates Sr donated almost $200K to the campaign for it. Hmmm. In other words, we’re protected and we don’t want you riff-raff to have guns.

Rachel- That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John and Rob for joining me today.  Will you be with us on the weekend?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…  stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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