Episode 291- Lots and Lots of News

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 7th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, and we’ll talk about the SAF starting a media blitz to stop President Obama from implementing the UN arms trade treaty
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have several listener emails to talk about
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also cover Mary Landreau losing her senate seat , so climb aboard.
Sue: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 291 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I testified in front of the San Diego Board of Supervisors on Wednesday morning.  They have open comment periods.  I got to talk for two minutes.  I said our sheriff hurts people by disarming them.  Anyone can speak at these open microphone sessions.  Have you spoken to your local representatives?

The wooden grip panels split on my pistol a few weeks ago.  The new metal grips I ordered came in and I installed them.  Of course, they needed new screw bushings because these are thin grips.  Then I needed to narrow the magwell to fit the grips.  Since I was grinding away, I smoothed the backstrap and cold blued the places where I’d worn away the factory finish.  I like the way the pistol looks.  It looks lived in and comfortable.1911 w narrow al grips small

Paul- Rachel posted some news on her facebook page.  She was invited to a legislative event for Texas Republican Senators.  She brought along a copy of the constitutional carry bill that has been pre-filed before the Texas legislative session opens.  Rachel got Governor elect Greg Abbott to sign her copy of the bill. Congratulations, Rachel.Rachel Abbott

Paul – Pickup is in the shop getting fixed, horrible rental car.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.


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Seg 2- News

1-The tyrant and mass murderer Joseph Stalin said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.  Those who count the votes decide everything.”  Well the University of Wyoming faculty senate passed a resolution that had recently been voted down by its members.

The University of Wyoming Faculty Senate and Staff passed a resolution against concealed carry on campus. The faculty and staff were polled before the vote.  Only 36 percent were against concealed carry.  7 percent wanted unlimited concealed carry. 5 percent wanted concealed carry with background checks.  A solid majority of 52 percent of faculty and staff wanted concealed carry on campus with background checks and training.  The faculty senate voted against it anyway.  When asked, the president of the faculty senate said they seldom polled their membership before a vote.  Maybe they should, but maybe it doesn’t matter since they voted against the will of the majority anyway.

Rob-comment- I thought colleges were unsafe due to rape on college campuses.  Are these professors disarming female students and exposing them to possible sexual assault?

2- On December 7th, two Sandy Hook, Connecticut teachers will appear on the CBS News program Sunday Morning to push for expanded background checks and magazine capacity limits.  Both teachers are members of a gun control group called Sandy Hook Educators for Gun Sense.  Given that this is the CBS network, the teachers will never be asked if those measures would have stopped the Sandy Hook murderer, or if they would stop other mass murderers. The Sandy Hook murderer stole his guns, thereby bypassing any background check process.  The Santa Barbara murderer bought dozens of ten round magazines when he shot students.  While it may be a noble goal to make it easier for the mentally ill to receive treatment, a Mayo Clinic psychiatrist said most mass shooters “are not mentally ill” and the crazy ones are only “recognized after the fact.”

3- Moving west from Connecticut to Pennsylvania, the state Attorney General said she will not defend the recent firearms pre-emption law passed by the Pennsylvania legislature.  This leaves the defense of the law in the hands of Governor and the Legislature.  The law allows civil rights groups to sue cities and counties over local firearms regulations.  I’m sorry, but the Pennsylvania Attorney General is a Democrat and was probably elected by anti-gun voters in Pittsburg and Philadelphia.  Elections have consequences.


4- In national news, the UN small arms treaty will have 50 participating countries later this month.  With 50 participants, the treaty becomes binding on the countries who signed it.  Secretary of State John Kerry signed the treaty, but the treaty was never ratified by the US Senate.  American gun owners fear that President Obama will impose another executive order outlawing small arms with his phone and his pen.. and without Senate approval.  Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb threatened legal action “if the president tries to circumvent the U.S. Senate and the will of the American people.”  Second Amendment advocates have long argued that any such treaty could constitute an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms, and lead to gun registration and even gun bans in order to comply with the international agreement.Gotlieb commercial


Gottlieb promised to file a lawsuit against the president if he takes executive action, and pointed to recent events to justify his concerns.  “He has used a lawless executive order to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants without Congressional authorization, and now many people are worried that he plans to bypass Congress again, before the end of this year, with the U.N. treaty..”  SAF started a petition.

5- Republican Bill Cassidy won the election to be the next Senator from Louisiana.  Cassidy’s 15 point victory is the ninth Senate seat picked up by the GOP in this year’s elections.  That is three more seats than the party needed to take control of the chamber and it gives them a four-seat cushion going into 2016.  The question remains, how many of the GOP politicians are conservative in name only.

6- This news story was sent in by listener Anthony.  A 44 year old man boarded an Amtrak train in Chicago.  He stabbed three men and one woman.  One of the male victims was the train’s conductor.  Amtrak trains are considered public transportation in Illinois.  Therefore, the trains are rolling gun-free zones.. at least for law abiding people.  That doesn’t stop the criminals, and we’ve reported before about gang members stabbing people on train platforms.

To offer a little more perspective on Chicago, 130 citizens died from gunshots in Chicago since the Mike Brown attacked Officer Wilson across the river in Ferguson, Missouri.  Most of the Chicago victims were black.  25 more were shot and an additional five more were shot and killed this last week.  Thank you, Anthony.  That is something you won’t see on CNN.

7- There is some common sense in Illinois, even if you can’t find it in Chicago.  In Bloomington, Illinois, McLean County State’s Attorney Jason Chambers said he will use his discretion in prosecuting firearms owners.  Residents with concealed-carry permits who bring their handguns into areas exempt from weapons may not automatically face criminal charges.  Quote “Every case is different. I’m not interested in arresting everyone who makes a mistake and forgets they are carrying.”  Close quote.  The first McLean County case against a gun owner was recently filed against a Middletown man.  65 year old Patrick Davis was charged with possession of a firearm in a prohibited area and possession of a firearm while intoxicated. The charges were filed after Davis fell down at a local bar and was taken to a hospital.  The State’s attorney said he will consider if the possession of the firearms was an oversight, as well as the gun owner’s reaction to a request from the business to take a weapon outside.


8- Hunters in Ohio could use noise suppressors on guns under certain conditions.  Some requirements for a concealed carry permit could be relaxed.  Those are two of the bills being debated in the Ohio Senate this week.  Ohio would also automatically recognize concealed weapons permits issued in other states.  Ohio would exempt individuals who have already completed state police academy training from requiring a permit to carry.  The results depend on Ohio gun owners.  Ohio Senate Criminal Justice Chairman Bill Coley said that lawmakers are still working on the final version of the legislation. He expects a committee vote Tuesday.  Senate President Keith Faber says the Senate is unlikely to vote on a measure that includes a self-defense proposal.

A bill allowing hunting with suppressed firearms passed the House earlier this year.  Suppressors would help protect hunters’ hearing.  It would also increase safety since hunters could hear each other.

Another measure reduces from 12 hours to eight hours the amount of training time required to get a concealed weapons permit.  Another bill would exempt active military members over the age of 18 from having to obtain a concealed weapons permit.

So, Ohio gun owners.. what are you going to do?  We included a link to the Ohio Senate in our show notes.

8B- New California laws required toy guns to be brightly colored.  Back in Ohio, Ohio sheriffs put out a facebook post showing a kids toy gun.  A brightly colored kid’s toy gun. The colored plastic shell hid a functioning shotgun underneath, and the Ohio Sheriff’s wanted to warn their deputies.  The point is that criminals already make their guns look like toys, and that California legislators are not so bright.

The color of a firearm can not protect us from police.  What keep us safe is law enforcement stopping to determine ability, opportunity, and jeopardy.. the same way civilians do.10846430_373779286130078_452547952988500661_n

9- We have some good news in Nevada as well.  Last week we told you the bad news about the Bloomberg anti-gun amendment in Nevada.  This week we can talk about newly designated Assembly Majority Leader Michele Fiore.  She is from Las Vegas.  She said Republicans were elected to the majority to defeat liberalism and that includes doing what has to be done to recover gun rights in Nevada.  Quote “We’re getting our gun rights back this session, period.”   Nevada residents should expect to see bills allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry guns for self-defense on Nevada college campuses.  Majority Leader Fiore also wants to see high schools reintroduce “rifle clubs” so teenagers can learn firearm safety and responsibility.  Fiore will push to repeal the blue card registration in Clark County.  The “blue card” program requires individuals who buy a handgun in Clark County to register the weapon with the police.  In addition to recovering gun rights, Fiore also plans to push a Voter ID law for Nevada.

10- The Bloomberg’s anti-gun group wanted Kroger supermarkets to ban firearms.  The Bloomberg front group said they didn’t feel safe if other shoppers were carrying.  That makes the Bloomberg group a small minority.  Kroger ignored the pressure for a gun ban, and more people shopped at Krogers.  Total sales rose 11 percent to $24.99 billion.  The company reported a 21 percent jump in quarterly profit.  That sent its stock price up 5 percent. Net income attributable to Kroger rose to $362 million, or 73 cents per share, in the third quarter which ended Nov. 8.  That is up from 57 cents per share, a year earlier.

11- Bloomberg isn’t done yet.  His astroturf group asked Oregon superstore chain Fred Meyer to ban guns.  Quote “If I owned a business, I would want to protect my employees by making it clear that you can’t openly carry” guns in the store.  The Bloomberg group will also tell you they support the second amendment.  They simply haven’t seen a gun control law they didn’t like, and think we need more restrictions on our right of self-defense.

Melinda Merrill, a spokeswoman for Fred Meyer said, “Our policy is that we follow local laws. So if it’s allowed in the municipality where our store is, then we follow the local law.”  With a good photographer, the astroturf group can turn its four members into a crowd, so look carefully at the news reports.

12- You might have missed this news about the riots in Ferguson, Missouri.  Members of Oath Keepers were guarding the crowd and stores from many of the rooftops.  The Saint Louis County Police ordered the Oath Keepers away.  Police claimed the private citizens needed a county license to act as security guards.  Once they read the county statute, the Oath Keepers laughed at it and took up their posts again.  They have been there for several nights.


13- This next news story is to remind listeners that some of the news media are crazy.  Matthew Yglesias writes on the website Vox.  He said the reason that Michael Brown was shot was because you and I have guns.  If we were disarmed, then the police wouldn’t have to worry about criminals having guns.  If the criminal didn’t have guns, then the police wouldn’t need guns.  If police didn’t have guns, then black teenagers couldn’t grab the policeman’s gun and try to shoot the policemen.  That is why you and I killed Michael Brown.

comment- Yeah, we told you their crazy.

comment- Every policeman I know has told me to get and carry a firearm.

14- A news reporter probably said more than she intended to say about herself.  She interviewed 10 year old Shyanne Roberts.  Shyanne is a three gun competitor from New Jersey.  How did Shyanne start shooting?  Her dad is a firearms instructor.  Shyanne wanted to shoot rather than sit and watch when they were at the range.  To the reporter, this is incredible and simply unbelievable.  A responsible young gun owner is frankly beyond what the reporter can imagine.  The reporter admitted that seeing the unloaded weapons made her nervous. Quote, “Very nervous.  If my daughter was handling a gun I’d feel very nervous.”  close quote.  Shyanne answered perfectly.  When you learn to handle them safely, it’s not scary at all.  It’s pretty fun.

The reporter had to dig up an anti-rights activist who said it is irresponsible to let children know how to handle firearms because accidents can happen.

comment- The Center for Disease Control collects accident rates. They found that target shooting is safer than cheerleading.  Kathy Jackson spoke about this last week in our gun quotes.  Guns are not dangerous.  Ignorance of guns is dangerous.

15- Alan Korwin had an explanation why crime has fallen so fast in Arizona.  Arizona has hundreds of thousands of private citizens discreetly carrying firearms for the sole purpose of self defense and stopping crime.  Some are licensed.  Some carry under the law of Constitutional Carry that has been in place for the last four years.  Alan Korwin scoffs at the news media who say “police and criminologists don’t have an explanation for the dip” in homicides that statistics keep showing.

Innocent people are armed against crime.  Shooting ranges and trainers are busy educating the public.  That is why crime drops, and yet “officials” don’t recognize the results. Why do you think every state in the Union [accept New Jersey] finally has some form of discreet carry?  National statistics on the subject are overwhelmingly positive — society is safer when criminals don’t know who’s armed.  Guns save lives, guns stop crime, and criminologists don’t have clues.  That is the great trinity somehow doesn’t make the “news.”  This would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

Gun Quotes

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. – William Pitt, 1783

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

Segment 4 DGUs

This DGU was sent in from our listener Scott.  Two armed  and masked men stormed into a Houston gas station and tried to rob the cashier.  We don’t know if the criminals had robbed gas stations before, but we know this gas station and this cashier had been robbed before.  This time they were armed as well.  The criminals raised their guns when the clerk told them to leave.  The clerk then shot one of the men.  Both criminals fled.  Now police are checking video and blood samples from the crime scene.  They want to compare them with a man who checked himself into a local hospital with a gunshot wound.  The store clerk was not injured.

Thank you for the story, Scott.

-A 36 year old repeat criminal climbed through a back bedroom window in a Baton Rouge, Louisiana home.  Court records show the robber had a criminal history that went back to the 1990s.  He was charged with burglary in 2003.  He was convicted and served three years in prison for possession of stolen articles 2008.  He had been arrested for several other drug charges and theft.  This time was different.  This time the resident was home in the middle of the day with his wife and children.  This time the homeowner was armed.  The homeowner confronted the burglar, and then shot him three times in the upper torso.  The burglar was taken to a local hospital where he died.  He had drugs in his possession at the time of the shooting.  No charges have been filed against the homeowner.

-Willie Johnson of Meridian, Mississippi was leaving for work Thursday morning.  He set his house alarm and notices someone nearby.  That is when a stranger with a gun ran at him.  Johnson was also armed.  He drew his gun and fired twice before the robber turned and ran away.  The homeowner installed an alarm system and put bars around his house last year after thieves broke into his house twice.  Quote “if I hadn’t had my protection and practiced doing this every day, he would have got me. He would have robbed me, maybe even killed me.” said Johnson.

-A man entered a pharmacy in Cheyenne, Wyoming early in the morning.  He demanded pain medication and pointed a handgun at the people inside the pharmacy.  The 42 year old pharmacist drew his revolver and shot the robber in the chest one time.  The robber was transported to a local hospital and is listed in stable condition.  The robbers gun was found to be a plastic toy.  The pharmacist was not charged and his name was not released.  The pharmacy reopened at noon.

Concealed carrier breaks the rules and stops a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com.  We hope you’ll share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Email #1 from Jake

I believe it was episode 287 when you guys mentioned briefly that social media is a sort of echo chamber where we only tend to hear from those who agree with us.  This is very true, and I, at least, try and make a conscious effort to counteract that by reaching out and interacting with different groups (which, as a libertarian, tends to happen anyway).  Present company excepted, I think most people fall victim to this, with serious consequences for our political process.

It would be very easy for most people to go their entire lives without hearing opinions that contradict their own if they wanted to hang out on community forums, strongly biased news agencies, and only surrounded themselves with Facebook friends and Twitter followers that shared their beliefs.  We do this by instinct, and I think it’s one of the reasons we’re so polarized as a nation these days – We only hear from those who agree with us, and the only arguments from the opposing side we usually hear are straw-man caricatures passed around and beat up in one-sided discussions, which dehumanizes folks on the other side of the line – We don’t see them as logical people with rational (if misguided) views, but as evil, stupid, fascist, etc. etc.  It contributes to an us-vs-them mentality that doesn’t promote discussion, cooperation, and compromise but conflict, posturing, and ultimatums.

I try and counteract this by doing what you guys talk about almost every week – Being an ambassador for my community.  I also try and listen with an open mind.  I’ve had my mind legitimately changed on some topics, and I’ve changed several minds as well, and given others something to think about.

That’s why shows like yours are important – It’s reasoned discussion about facts.  If it’s possible to find a reasonable, rational anti-gunner who argues with evidence instead of feelings, though, I think it could be educational to host a discussion on the subject.



And by the way, yes, some people do read the show notes – I’m one of them!


Rob- Jake, you reset the standard for e-mail to the podcast.  Well said, Jake!

Jake also sent in a follow up email –

Continuing to listen through the backlog of podcasts, I heard mention of the black-on-black crime statistics.  This is one of those things that is popular to talk about in conservative circles, but my liberal friends inform me that it’s not relevant because a similar percentage of crime against white people is perpetrated by other white people.  It’s not that black people are victimizing other black people as much as it is all criminals victimizing others of the same race, probably because they tend to live in the same neighborhoods and associate with each other.  I’m a sucker for statistics, and I was convinced by the stat that 83% of white murders in 2011 were white-on-white.  I still think they’re wrong about the Officer Wilson case, but the black-on-black crime statistics don’t seem to be as relevant as we might think.



And then Jeff sent this one in –

(I’m) Getting caught up on podcasts, got a bit behind with the Thanksgiving break.  Congrats on your new sponsor, that is awesome news!  I’m delighted for you and your crew!

The podcast has come a long way, I know too well that you had considered ending the process, I for one, am glad you decided not to!  Things are really starting to hum,  keep up the great work!

Be Safe!

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I was thinking about the recent elections.  We won.  Now, what do we want.  I want more freedom and less government.  I don’t want a single new law, but I’d love to eliminate a few thousand of the ones we have.  I want less.  That article is up at Clash Daily and on my blog.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Susan: and we’ll see you down the road.

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