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Open and Personal News Segment:
News Segment 1:
News Segment 2:
Interview Segment 1: Guest Jeff Knox
Interview Segment 2: Guest Dr. John Edeen
Interview Segment 3: Guest Sebastian of www.pagunblog.com
Interview Segment 4: Guest John Willett of Bear Arms Show
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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday July 26th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with John Edeen from Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about another theater shooting, this one in Louisiana.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and I’m looking forward to discussing some great listener email.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a woman that is fortunate she called her father before she called 911.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 341 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- I shot IDPA yesterday. I was shooting my single stack 1911 since I brought a friend along and he was shooting a similar gun. We had a stage that started with you sitting down tying your shoe when the buzzer went off. The stages included a good mix of movement, accuracy and speed. It was 96 degrees when we left the range, but I figured I’d better go play in the heat since I’m moving to Louisiana. I reserved a room for the Gun Rights Policy Conference which is in Phoenix on September 25, 26 and 27. I’ll join Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio tomorrow morning.
John – Finally, I have some gun news! I spent yesterday with my friend Jeff at SilencerCo’s Quiet Riot Tour held in Franklinville, North Carolina. It was a chance to fire a number of firearms with a variety of suppressors. I shot everything from a suppressed Browning Buckmark .22 pistol to a Benelli shotgun with the Salvo suppressor. My impression is that SilencerCo did the the event which had about 200 attendees as both a promo for their suppressor and as an educational event to teach people about suppressors. I think my favorite was an AR-15 in .300 Blackout shooting subsonic ammo. It felt and sounded almost like you were firing a suppressed rimfire rifle.
Sean Sorrentino of the GunBlog Variety Cast was also there. We recorded a number of little spots for his podcast and did a wrap up with our impressions of the event and suppressors. Look for that to be released in the next two weeks or so.
Rob- a question
Rachel- No gun news this week. I’ve been watching 5 kids while their parents are out of the country. I believe my own life is worth protecting, but adding in a bunch of kids definitely raises the stakes and makes me work that much harder. That kind of responsibility makes me glad I already have solid habits of carrying a gun, being aware of surroundings, and thinking ahead to keep everyone safe.
Rob- that is a great attitude. thank you!
Gary- gun news
I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.
Seg 2- News
Paul- Lead Story – Lafayette Theater Shooting
Leading our news this week, unfortunately there has been another case of multiple murders in a gun free zone., this time in Lafayette Louisiana. On Thursday evening the 23rd a 59 year old psychopath started shooting people in a theater. Twenty minutes into a screening the gunman, who as usual we will not name here, opened fire in the Grand 16 theater in Lafayette. Unfortunately 2 women lost their lives and 9 other people were injured.
CNN is reporting that the killer bought his gun legally, however this cannot be the case. In the same story they state that the killer was the subject of a restraining order. That restraining order would disqualify the perpetrator from purchasing a gun under the Lautenberg Amendment that took effect in 1997. Also in 2008 the murderer was involuntarily committed to a mental institution “because he was a threat to himself and others”. This would further disqualify him from owning a firearm. In fact, according to the Columbus Georgia Ledger-Enquirer the murderer was denied a pistol permit in 2006. That said, the states may not have reported his mental health status and criminal record to the federal NICS system.
As we all expect by now, the theater where the shooting took place is a gun free zone. The theater management posted on their website that quote “Possession of firearms or weapons of any kind regardless of whether openly or concealed, with or without a permit” are prohibited.
That means this multiple victim murder was doubly impossible. A crazy person got a gun.. which is against the law.. and a person intent on murder broke the movie theater’s regulations.. the same regulations that disarmed honest movie goers.
That proves that gun control didn’t word, can’t work and will never work. Before any more restrictions are placed on firearms and firearms owners, we MUST look in to why those restrictions already in place are failing.
Rob- Doing the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result is insane. When the gun haters keep telling us that gun-control is the answer, the fundamental question isn’t about gun control.. but about control.
John- Barack Obama says that US Gun Laws are His “Biggest Frustration”
Listener Anthony Lucafo sent us a story from BBC.com that summarizes thier interview with President Obama. the major quote from the story from Obama is “ You mentioned the issue of guns, that is an area where if you ask me where has been the one area where I feel that I’ve been most frustrated and most stymied it is the fact that the United States of America is the one advanced nation on earth in which we do not have sufficient common-sense, gun-safety laws. Even in the face of repeated mass killings.
And you know, if you look at the number of Americans killed since 9/11 by terrorism, it’s less than 100. If you look at the number that have been killed by gun violence, it’s in the tens of thousands. And for us not to be able to resolve that issue has been something that is distressing. But it is not something that I intend to stop working on in the remaining 18 months.”
Discussion – (I KNOW there are bound to be reactions to this one)
Rob- The list from the federal center for disease control has firearms way way down the list as cause of death- Heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, accidents, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, influenza, pneumonia, and suicide are way more deadly. The number of accidents with firearms is 0.5 percent of all accidental deaths. For children it is about 1 percent.
Of those deaths by firearm, suicide are the vast majority. Looking around the world, and across the united states, the rate of suicide is independent of firearms ownership.
Rachel- We talked about the murder at two military recruiting offices that took place a few weeks ago. We thought that the order to disarm the military came from the president. It did, but each general officer can accept or reject that order. That means a general in charge of recruiting decided it was better for the general or admiral to risk his men’s’ lives than to oppose his president. That is sad, and certainly cause for the officer to be dismissed.
Representative Scott Rigell sent a letter Wednesday to Defense Secretary Ash Carter requesting that he end a Pentagon prohibition on military personnel carrying firearms to and from defense installations. He had 70 members of congress join him. The Virginia Beach Republican has argued that service members must be able to protect themselves in transit and at recruitment centers, noting the fatal shootings of four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga, Tenn., last week. The letter asks Defense Secretary Carter to give base commanders the authority to allow service members to carry concealed weapons as long as they abide by state and local laws.
Rob- This is a little off-topic. We talked about citizens protecting the military, and that is happening across the country. I found examples from 12 states.
Rob- I was thinking about the attack in Chattanooga during a recent competition. Marines were attacked in their office by a civilian with a rifle. The defenders have a huge advantage. They know their surroundings. They out number the attacker and can wait for the attacker to come to them. The person is a fool or is lying if they say the Marines were doomed so it doesn’t matter if they were armed.
Gary- guns and ammo magazine came out with their best states for gun owners. Making lists is an easy article to write, and this list is different than their list of the best states for concealed carry. They weighed a number of factors including right-to-carry, right to own “black rifles”, presence of the Castle Doctrine, National Firearms Act prohibitions, and a catch-all miscellaneous column.
Counting up from the bottom, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Hawaii were the worst states for gun owners.
Counting down from the top, Arizona, Vermont, Alaska and Utah were the best.
Paul – I think that this is a little skewed. South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota all VERY gun friendly and weren’t very high up (yes my nose is bent a little bit out of shape.
Rachel- it’s almost impossible to rank states for gun friendliness since there are so many parameters.
Rob- You might remember a legal challenge to Washington State gun laws. That challenge was dismissed. The judge said the law was probably illegal and unenforceable, but no one had been arrested for it yet, so he let the law stand.
Ohio Carry won’t let that happen in Cleveland. Earlier this year, the Cleveland city council passed a series of anti-gun measures. These included establishing a gun registry similar to those used to track sex offenders. The city also required registering personal firearms and reporting lost and stolen guns to the police. Ohio Carry filed a lawsuit against the city citing violations of Ohio’s preemption laws. Ohio Carry plans an armed rally at Cleveland City Hall the day the ordinance goes into effect. They will conduct private party sales without informing the Cleveland Police Department.
Quote, “This event is to show the city of Cleveland and any other city in Ohio that we will not comply with illegal laws; that we will not be bullied into compliance for political agendas. This is our civic responsibility, and we will make our voices heard.” Ohio Carry said they would follow up any arrests at the rally with civil lawsuits.
Rachel- This is important. We’ve seen politicians bury us in selectively enforced laws and regulations. The pick the laws to enforce on their political opponents. We’ve seen open refusal to comply with firearms registration in Connecticut, New York, and now in Ohio.
Paul- I guess they didn’t mean it after all. A temporary emergency gun ban was imposed by the City of Columbia South Carolina. They wanted to disarm protesters rallying around the State House after the state banned the Virginia battle flag.
The city council passed the local ordinance banning weapons within 250 feet of the state house. Penalties included a $500 fine and up to 30 days in jail.
State Attorney General Alan Wilson says the ban was an illegal encroachment on Second Amendment rights, and one the city had no power to pass in the first place. The city then repealed the ordinance.
Rob- There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government action. How much would the city have been fined for arresting someone under that ban?
Rachel- If you don’t want protesters, why not just ban banning flags?
John- Since we’re talking about pre-emption, we have some good news out of Alabama. Alabama Governor Robert Bentley said he ordered that signs banning weapons at Alabama rest stops be taken down. Alabama preemption law gives the legislature control over firearms regulations. Alabama department of transportation said they would remove the signs.
Rob- I wonder who whose idea it was to put the signs up?
The Alabama Department of Transportation said their regulation which reads, “No person other than a duly authorized law enforcement officer shall enter any Alabama Department of Transportation building with a firearm… without the written permission of the Director.”
This is the provision the agency used to justify the “no weapons allowed” signs at rest areas along Alabama’s interstates and highways.
Comment- It is hard to trust a bureaucrat when they always twist a law to suit their politics.
Rachel- Democrat Presidential Candidate Martin O’Malley called on Congress to ban “the sale of assault weapons” and “[establish] a national gun registry.”
He also said it is time to “[increase] inspections” on gun shops and mandate that gun owners lock up their guns in their homes.
Martin O’Malley instituted new gun laws as governor of Maryland and as mayor of Baltimore. Crime went up after he signed license requirements for firearm owners, mandated training, background checks, bans on assault weapons, and a ban on “high capacity” ammunition magazines.
Rob- The usual record of an anti-rights politician.
Gary- Gun Quotes
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. Unknown
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview of John Edeen and Jeff Knox.
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Segment 3 Interviews
Dr. Edeen, you wrote in your article on DRGO.us that the recent shootings in Chatanooga are not nessesarrily an isolated incident, and that they are part and parcel of the disarming of our military while stationed stateside. Can you talk a little bit about the article?
John E: I wrote this article because I was especially angered by the senseless murder of 4 marines and one sailor. I spent the better part of 10 years as a Navy physician and surgeon. Two years were spent on the USS Peleliu (LHA-5), an amphibious assault ship that transports marines to where they need to go and supports their mission. I have taken care of thousands of sailors and marines. This act of war was directed against our unarmed military personnel because of a policy enacted by President GHW Bush in 1992. This policy directs that all military personnel be unarmed except of Military Police and security personnel.
Rob- The end of the cold war and the peace dividend.
Since then, there have been several attacks against recruiting centers and military installations. In 2009, two Army recruiters in Little Rock, AR were attacked by a recent convert to Islam, one of them fatally. Later that year, 13 soldiers were killed and 32 wounded by a Muslim Army psychiatrist at Ft. Hood, TX. In 2013, 12 sailors were killed at the Washington Navy Yard by a man with a psychiatric history. There was also the case of a former marine, a recent convert to Islam, who opened fire on a Marine recruiting center in Chantilly, Va and a Coast Guard recruiting center in Woodbridge, Va. Between 2011 and 2015 several attacks were thwarted by law enforcement.
We know that gun free zones do not protect against mass murder, they are preferred targets. It is immoral and irresponsible to keep these killing zones in place. Military leadership needs to immediately remove the gun free zones and allow our Armed Forces to protect themselves. It turns out that there were two responsible people at the Reserve Center that day. Apparently, the commanding officer, LCDR Timothy White and one of the marines that was killed had personal sidearms and returned fire on the murderer. It is unknown whether any of that fire hit the terrorist, but it certainly altered the attack, possibly saving lives.
Also, several state governors have lifted the ban in their states and have begun arming Reservists while on duty. Bravo to them.
I want to thank listener Anthony Lucafo for emailing us a Fox News story, that story basically says that the pentagon isn’t listening. The major quote from the story by the Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook states”While we greatly appreciate the outpouring of support for our recruiters from the American public, we ask that individuals not stand guard at recruiting offices as it could adversely impact our mission, and potentially create unintended security risks.” Dr Edeen, would you care to comment about that quote?
John E.: This is more politically correct B.S. You must remember, Generals and Admirals are political animals. They don’t get to that level unless they have political savvy. We know that the current administration does not respect the Second Amendment and is willing to sacrifice lives in pursuit of their political ends. They have systematically forced out senior officer that do not share their political ideology. If they really wanted to support the mission of recruiting, they should allow the trained marines, sailors and soldiers to be armed and make sure they are trained in the use of sidearms. Most marines and soldiers are riflemen. If I were a potential recruit, I would be more impressed with a GYSGT in his dress blue uniform with all his medals and a sidearm strapped around his waist and an M-4 rifle at hand, rather than a recruiter with a military haircut and a civilian suit who is disarmed. The biggest unintended security risk is an Islamic terrorist left unopposed. I would rather risk an unintentional discharge of a weapon than an intentional attack.
rob- political solution to political problem. Call the general/admiral unfit for service.
DR EDEEN, ANY COMMENTS ON POLITICAL MOVES TO ALLOW CARRY IN TEXAS HOSPITALS??
John E.: Unfortunately, the Texas legislature session for 2015 has concluded. They were able to get several pro-rights bills signed into law, gun free zones in hospitals didn’t make it through the process. Representative Springer’s HR 695, which would have allowed Concealed Handgun License holders to carry in public hospital and required private hospitals that prohibited concealed carry to post armed security at each entrance, died in committee without public testimony. The next legislative session isn’t until 2017. We still have work to do on this front.
I’m looking forward to seeing you guys at the Cathy Jackson course in a few weeks. I will also be at GRPC in September. Paul, how are you doing on your campaign to fund the purchase of your sound equipment to stream GRPC live?
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Rob- I understand that the ATF had plans to disarm these social security recipients.
The disarmed military members who have a payee. Now they are trying the same action with Social Security. If this passes, then anyone who receives government benefits would lose their right of armed self-defense if they have a payee.
Everything is banned except arms with “sporting purpose”.
Rob- politics as usual. Read government powers defensively in light of how they can be abused.
Will we see you at GRPC?
Where can we find Jeff’s writing?
Sebastian – Shall not be questioned – www.pagunblog.com
Sebastian, the main reason I asked to to come on today was a post you had a few weeks ago titled “Again, They Are Coming For Your Guns” the post was about an Australian article stating how it was good and wholesome to take guns away, could you talk a bit about your post and the article it was talking about.
I also seen on your blog that you have a post up from Friday Titled “Derision of the ‘Good Guys With Guns’” It may be possible that there were 2 of the military who were attacked who did fight back with personally owned sidearms. The anti rights side is almost gleeful over the fact that they apparently did not stop the bad guy instantly. I want to read just a little bit of a quote from your post. You wrote “Aside from being highly disrespectful to the fallen Marine’s service and sacrifice, no one ever argued that a gun is a guarantee that you’ll prevail over a bad guy every time. “
One more post I want to talk about was one you posted on July 20th, In it you point out that Adam Weinstein in an article on The Trace thinks that the military shouldn’t be armed. I took a look at the article, and sure enough right in the subtitle “Most armed service members are not trained to neutralize active shooters, and putting more loaded guns in their hands creates its own risks.” These people really are living in a fantasy land aren’t they?
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- A young woman heard three men break into her home just after noon. She barricaded herself into a back room and called her dad. I don’t know what the police response time is in East New Orleans, Louisiana, but it is important that she called her dad before she called 911. Her dad was armed and he also knew who belonged in his home. He chased the three thieves out of his home at gunpoint. One of the thieves turned back toward the homeowner as he ran across the back yard. That is when the homeowner fired. The wounded thief jumped the fence, but collapsed on the street. He was arrested by police. They found stolen property in his pockets. The wounded thief was taken to the hospital. No charges have been filed against the homeowner.
Paul- We talked about the elderly needing to protect themselves. In this case, a man in his 50s entered a home in King County Washington. He attacked the owner’s room mate who was 65 years old.
The 70-year-old homeowner shot at the attacker. The homeowner told police that he fired five shots from his 9mm handgun, but was not sure if he had actually hit the man.
The 50 year old intruder used to live at that address. 15 minutes after the attack, a man called 911 saying he’d been shot. The wounded man was the assailant, and he’d been shot twice in the shoulder and upper torso. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center. He will be booked on assault charges when he is released. No charges have been filed against the 70-year-old homeowner.
Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com Please take a minute and share them with a friend.
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
John- Email from Tennessee Junior
First off, long time; first time:) thank you all for the time and effort put into the shows, they are quality and enjoyable.
Question 1: my edc sidearm is an M&P in 357 sig, I have a couple thousand rounds for it and try to train yearly, practice weekly and dry fire every day or two including drawstroke etc. Any suggestions on this caliber? And, is it time to bite the proverbial bullet and move to 9mm? The rounds are pretty pricey and nearly impossible to find locally, but I run across Internet deals reasonably often and shoot Speer lawman fmj and carry Speer gold dot jhp. Same point of impact in both so I try to stay with these. I do still have plenty of the ammunition as of now, but. …. the purchase was made when the Tennessee highway patrol moved to the caliber, and I do shoot it proficiently, yet the future is the concern. Also, I carry 2 extra mags for a total of 46 rounds, so capacity isn’t really of import in my humble opinion….
2nd, with the large scale mob style attacks perpetrated recently I’ve been considering a long gun such as my Wyndham AR to take with me in the work van. I am in the vehicle A LOT, traveling extensively, but concerns arise with storage of the proverbial”truck gun”in a work van. When taken in the past, the weapon has been in a locking case and the case is chained and locked to the vans supports and covered, but access is terribly slow and the access inconvenience is making this a problem. Any suggestions on this dilemma?
And finally, it’s time for a new gun belt. I’ve been utilizing a belt by better belt company when I got an old faithful holster a few years ago, the stitching is going away as I slide the double mag carrier etc. on it daily, who makes the best edc leather belt? I’m in business casual so the instructor belts etc won’t work, I must stick with a black leather belt for business camo, what say you? Pictures attached for reference etc.
Thanks in advance for any help you may provide, keep up the good fight.
TNJR. (“Tennessee Junior”)
Rob- 357 sig is a fine cartridge. It is a necked down 40 cal. Keep it if you like to shoot it.
Rachel- Don’t switch cartridges just because somebody disses yours. Shoot what you like. Also, there is no perfect cartridge. Choose what best fits your needs. Training on your gun is the most important; sounds like you’re doing a good job there.
Escape first. Go to the rifle later.
Rob- Jason Christianson sold me my gun belt. TJ, could you try a paddle style mag pouch?
Email from Austin in Wichita
Gary- Hello fellow 2A enthusiasts,
I have a best friend, spotter and shooting partner who is taking a summer road trip this summer with his wife and and brother in law. The beginning and end to his trip I find to be ironically comical, as he is leaving our home state, Kansas, home of constitutional carry and ever improving freedom for our 2nd amendment rights and ending in California. Quite a change for our freedoms that we don’t agree with but nevertheless we must obey the laws of the land.
I have used my Legal heat app on my phone to see that our state has reciprocity in every state along is route with the exception of his end destination state. However I am having difficulty finding how he is to store and transport his firearm until he returns to the land of the free once again. I know the gun and ammo must be stored and locked separately while in a vehicle, but not if he must have it registered to bring it into the state. As well I am unsure if he is allowed to load and carry once at his in-laws home on private property or if it still must stay locked away. My initial response is to make excuses and send the in-laws a card but that is no longer an option.
I would appreciate any help you can provide and I am a huge fan of the information you provide that the other media outlets overlook, ignore and twist to meet their own agendas.
The legal heat app is here- http://www.mylegalheat.com/
Rob- Hi, Austin. I’ve some references for you. The State of California Department of Justice Office of the Attorney General has a web page called Traveling with Firearms in California. Calguns also has a page on transporting firearms. Unfortunately, California allows local preemption, so there may be local laws that also apply. We have the links in our show notes. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting
Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote another post about citizens defending military recruiting centers.
I read the bloomberg propaganda after the movie shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana. I went back and read their old press releases after each shooting in a gun free zone. They sounded crazy to me so I wrote about them. These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com
John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?
When the gun prohibitionists put out a picture or new media announcement of a victory for their side, we need to take it was a grain of salt. A case in point was a picture from the Demanding Mommies thanking Academy Sports and Outdoors, a large big box store sporting goods chain, “for their gunsense”. It was part of their new “NoChecks, NoGuns” campaign which is aimed at convincing people that a delay in a NICS check should be the same as a denial. Academy Sports, as a matter of long-standing corporate policy, has only released firearms after an approval from the FBI. While we may disagree with it, it important to note that they didn’t do it as some sort of appeasement to the Bloomberg folks. It is, as I called it, a false victory.
You can find this post and others at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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