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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday April 26th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk About Cleveland taking a backward step for our rights.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Pew research poll that is giving the Bloomberg clan a bit of a migraine.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s an Illinois resident stops a possible mass shooting, yes he had a concealed carry permit. So climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 327 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I made a guest appearance on Armed American Radio last sunday. Wrote news for Kenn Blanchard on Black man with a gun. Went to a local meeting for self-defense activists on Tuesday. Heard Ed Peruta speak at a local Tea Party meeting, and wrote two articles for Ammoland and ClashDaily. My night job is feeling like my day job.
John – I just spent the weekend visiting with my granddaughter Olivia Grace. It is amazing how much she has grown in a mere 3 weeks or so since I have seen her last. The semester is winding down and papers to grade are piling up. I love the teaching, I tolerate the grading. With regard to gun stuff, Gary will be interested in this – the lightweight AR is done. I thought I needed to trade out the buffer tube but it is just because the Mission First Tactical stock is tight on it. I still need to zero it before I do a review and blog post on it.
Paul – More work on audio book. Did some dry fire practice specific to the draw. I wanted to find out how what I normally wear as cover garments work with drawing. I found that a hawiian shirt does a great job of concealing and a great job of not getting out of the way when I draw. A photographers vest does a FAR better job of getting out of the way, but it is a “shoot me first” vest.
More work on the home studio. it is almost where I want it for the audio setup.
Working on ordering stuff for the bob mayne/ben branam class.
Gary – Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport
(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
Seg 2- News
–We’ve heard anti-gun groups say that firearms ownership is falling. They claim that record gun sales are going to fewer and fewer gun owners, and that the majority of people are calling for gun control. New polling data from Pew research calls that claim into question. In fact, the poll discovered a huge shift in public opinion about the right of self-defense.
Today, and for the first time, more Americans support the right of self defense instead of asking for more gun control. 52 percent say that protecting gun rights is important while only 42 percent say the government should do more to control firearms ownership.
There are several reasons for our changing opinions, though not all of them make sense. 63 percent of us think crime is rising. In fact, crime rates continue to fall, with current crime rates falling to only a quarter of the crime rate of the early 1990s. We have a distorted perception of violence in society.
Perhaps that is why today 63 percent of us say a gun in the home makes us safer. Ten years ago we were in a 50/50 tie on that issue.
comment- I didn’t know we had that many listeners, but someone is changing hearts and minds.
-Here is another measure of the changing view of firearms. A priest in a Detroit suburb now wants his parish to take a concealed carry class. Father Edward Fride wrote to his parish and scheduled a concealed carry class at Christ the King parish. Father Fride was a pacifist. He ministered to military veterans and their families. It looks like the influence went both ways, since the Father is known for recruiting new vocations to the priesthood.. and Father Fride is now studying martial arts. He said it hurt to imagine an innocent person being hurt while all he could do was watch. The father was overruled by his bishop, so the next concealed carry classes won’t be held at the parish.. for now.
-There is more news on the culture front. Catholic College students have traditionally been more supportive of social justice rather than supporting the right to keep and bear arms. That is changing.. at least in anti-gun Washington DC. The student government at Catholic University voted for concealed carry on campus. The vote for armed self-defense won by a margin of 16 to 11. Catholic U has policies and practices that are both liberal and conservative. The school is located in the Northeast quadrant of Washington, DC. There are many news articles about students being robbed on campus and off campus, and they say a conservative is simply a liberal who’s been mugged.
-Campus carry isn’t academic or theoretical. We can examine real world experience. We see the effects because Colorado had campus carry for the last 12 years. There was only one reported incident. That was by a university employee and no one was injured.
Census data from the 1990s surveyed rape victims and victims of attempted rape. 26 of these victims said they used a firearm for self-defense. The armed women stopped their attacker in every case. They were neither raped nor injured after they presented a firearm. That tells us what to expect on campus.
-We have more news from Washington DC. A gunman walked onto the steps of the US capital.
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I know you’re shocked, but the gun free zone signs failed to stop the armed man. This disturbed individual committed suicide with a shot to his head. That means that the law abiding citizens were at risk.. from those who do not obey the law. You’d have to be crazy to think that plastic signs stop violence. The Capital was locked down for two hours after the shooting.
-We have a bit of unexpected sanity to report from Maryland. The Maryland legislature repealed their ballistic imaging program. Ballistic imaging looks at the microscopic abrasions formed on a shell casing as it is fired. It turns out the case marks change as the gun gets dirty, as ammunition changes, and as the gun wears and springs fatigue. Ballistic fingerprinting has never been used to solve crime. maryland stopped funding the program several years ago, but gun owners were still required to submit shell casings of new firearms. Not any more.
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Now we have to ask if New York is smart enough to learn from Maryland and stop their own unsuccessful ballistic database.. and let’s ask if California will foolishly try to implement microstamping by looking at the mark left by the firing pin on the primer. I don’t know if they are as smart as the politicians in Maryland. http://www.nssfblog.com/maryland-ends-ballistics-imaging-program-and-provides-a-lesson/
-Politics is as much about appearance as performance. The director of safety in Cleveland said as much. Michael McGrath proposed new gun laws and openly admitted they might not do any good. They were passed by the Cleveland city council. Quoting the mayor, “the legislation was not designed to stop gun violence” to begin with. Instead, he hopes it will “encourage responsible gun ownership.” Here are the new laws that reflect the council’s values:
- Outlaw carrying a concealed deadly weapon or handgun, unless the person is a police officer or a person who holds a license to carry a concealed weapon.
- Requires a person who sells or transfers a gun, and who is not a licensed gun dealer, to report such transactions to police
- Requires an owner to report a lost or stolen gun to police.
- Creates a gun offender registry, requiring people convicted of gun crimes to register their names with Cleveland’s Safety Director.
- Prohibits the display, marking or sale of a facsimile firearm and prohibits brandishing a facsimile firearm in the presence of law enforcement or with the intent to frighten people.
- Prohibits the negligent transfer of a firearm to a felon or intoxicated person.
- Sets restrictions for firearms in the hands of minors and restricts discharging firearms in public areas, including schools, churches, cemeteries, playgrounds, and parks.
- Requires owners to safely store firearms to keep them from being stolen or out of the hands of children.
Gary- sounds like they must make crime illegal.
Rob- sounds like a politician who wrapped his anti-gun bigotry in feel-good public relations.
-Sometimes the anti-rights politicians lose. Park carry is now legal in Tennessee. Some city officials who had preempted discreet carry complained about the new law. Officials like Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero ignored the attacks that occurred in the disarmed victim zones known as her parks. Maybe that was because Mayor Rogero has an armed security detail of her own. They forget that most Tennessee cities let armed citizens travel without restriction in city parks. The anti-rights politicians were projecting their hoplophobia and ignoring real world experience with gun owners.
Here is a shout out to Tennessee gun owners and legislators. You did the right thing.
-Senator Ted Cruz is running for president. When he spoke in New Hampshire, Senator Cruz said, “I think it’s very important to have a public discussion about why we’re denying our soldiers the ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights (on military bases).” Currently, only law enforcement and security personnel are permitted to carry weapons, while soldiers are strictly prohibited from being armed on post. That prohibition was signed by President George Herbert Walker Bush. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-second-amendment-gun-rights-117133.html?hp=rc3_4
-Speaking of candidates.. another presidential candidate was at the NRA annual meeting. Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush bragged about his record and said, Quote “Today there are well over 1.3 million law-abiding Floridians with a valid concealed weapons permit, 1.3 million. That’s the most in the nation – nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas. Sorry, Gov. Perry.” Close quote. The number is closer to 1.4 million. A key factor is the ease and reciprocity granted through non-resident Florida permits. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/apr/15/jeb-bush/which-state-most-gun-permits
-This good news will still make you cry. In 2010, four gang members charged into a southern California jewelry store and rushed the staff. The thugs were armed with hammers and clubs. The store owner was armed with a pistol. He shot the robbers. One died, but the store owner was sued by the family of the dead robber. Even though the police said the store owner defended himself and the store staff from a deadly threat, California law allows anyone to file a lawsuit at any time for almost any reason. It took six years to obtain a full dismissal of the case against the store owner in California.
-Pennsylvania isn’t like California. Three Pennsylvania state representatives set up a seminar to inform gun owners of their legal rights and responsibilities. Representatives Seth Grove, Kate Klunk, and Kristin Phillips teamed up to hold the event May 2. An attorney will cover Pennsylvania’s concealed carry laws and a police officer will discuss how to safely interact with the law enforcement. The seminar is free. There are no training requirements for a Pennsylvania CCW. http://www.eveningsun.com/local/ci_27934639/concealed-carry-seminar-planned-may-2
-This story is from the Chicago area. Two Arlington Heights police officers who were found guilty of constitutional violations and ordered by a federal jury to pay a resident $80,000 in damages for illegally searching his home and seizing his guns. Art Lovi lost his wife to cancer. He was talking to his therapist for grief counseling. Lovi made a threat against a doctor who misdiagnosed his wife’s cancer years ago. The therapist reported the threat to the Arlington Heights Police Department, although she added she did not believe Lovi was a threat to himself or others.
A few hours later, Lovi got a call from police, who asked if he had any weapons in his home. Lovi told them yes, he had a valid FOID card and three antique firearms, including a musket that was more than 100 years old, but that he had no ammunition. That night officers showed up at Lovi’s house, where he says they entered without a warrant and confiscated his weapons. The next day the police told him he had to have a psychiatric examination. Lovi’s lawsuit says police threatened that if he didn’t go into the ambulance willingly, they would handcuff him and physically put him in the ambulance. Lovi was released later that day after a medical evaluation determined he was not a danger to himself or others. Lovi was never arrested or charged with a crime. He says he tried to get his guns back several times, but it wasn’t until two months later, when he hired an attorney to help him, that the guns were returned. He then filed a civil rights lawsuit and two years later a jury found Arlington Heights police officers guilty. If the jury decision stands appeal, Illinois law says the individual officers would be responsible for paying those damages. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150417/news/150418731/
Parents of Aurora Victim Might Pay $220k For Frivolous Lawsuit
With backing from the Brady Center, the parents of an Aurora, CO mover theater shooting victim sued four online retailers for selling equipment and ammunition to the shooter. Claiming that the firms should have somehow known the mental state of the purchaser, Sandy and Lonnie Phillips sued for unspecified damages and changes to business practices.
At the time of the suit, many noted that a federal law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005, protected firearms firms from lawsuits based on the acts of their customers. Colorado had a similar law, but added a provision that allows defendants to recover their fees and costs from unsuccessful plaintiffs. The lawsuit was always a longshot, and it failed in federal court. In dismissing the case, the judge ruled that the defendants may collect appropriate damages from the plaintiffs and their attorneys. In the resulting fee application, the Brady Center was specifically named for fostering the political lawsuit.
Defendant Lucky Gunner requested that the judgement be recovered equally from the Phillips and their attorneys. As the Phillips were represented by both their attorneys and the Brady Centers’, there is a possibility that the Brady’s might have to pay something for their abuse of the legal system. One can only hope.
While we deeply sympathize with the Phillips over the tragic loss of their daughter, we would remind them of the old proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Threats Coming to Our Door
We have several international terrorism stories that may have direct impact to this nation.
In Italy, police are working to round up eighteen Islamic terror cell suspects. Nine suspects have already been arrested; another nine are being sought, some may have escaped the country. Prosecutors believe they were behind a failed 2010 plot to attack the Vatican as well as a Pakistan market bombing that killed more than a 100 a year earlier. It is not known what they were doing in Italy.
Italian officials are responding to the threats of the Islamic State group to conquer Rome and destroy the Vatican. Security has been beefed up at the Vatican, but there is no information about any specific threat.
In France, a Jihadi accidently shot himself in the leg, foiling plans for attacks on two churches. Police followed a trail of blood to a car were a stash of weapons including a Kalashnikov was found. More weapons and evidence of the terrorist plot were seized from the suspect’s home. DNA evidence ties the suspect to this week’s murder of a woman near the French capital. Police are searching for the others involved in the plot.
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls warned that his country was facing an unprecedented terrorist threat.
Eight miles south of the Texas border, a Mexican military personnel identified an ISIS Terror Training Camp. The heavily-defended camp sits in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, a haven for drug cartels. Another sits across from Columbus, New Mexico. The Examiner reports that Obama is aware of ISIS and other Islamists in Mexico but is ignoring the threats to avoid compromising his amnesty program.
Islamist have openly bragged about targeting Western civilization. The military, malls, and now religious congregations are on their list. Their plans have brought them to Europe and now North America. As Americans, Christians and Jews have been targeted, it is up to us to be ready.
Paul- I want our listeners to know we send our staff to the far corners of the earth to cover stories. Rob had to drive about an hour to hear Ed Peruta speak to a tea party group. Tell us about it.
Rob- It was tough, Paul. You used to live in south San Diego County. Ed Peruta spoke in Ramona California. He spoke at the Ramona Tea Party event held at the Ramona Mainstage. I ordered a hotdog and beer while we listened to Ed.
Ed now runs a news service covering breaking stories in the North East. He also does legal investigations for Attorney Rachel M Baird http://rachelbairdlaw.com/ in Torrington, Connecticut. Ed is also a director at Connecticut Carry.
Let me give you some background about Ed. He joined the marines when he was 17 years old to fight in Vietnam. He is deeply patriotic and supports law enforcement. He was a policeman for two years. He was dismissed because he did not shoot a black man when he was running away. Ed also hates dishonest policemen and politicians. He is skeptical about every claim made by a government official.
He has a firearms permit in Connecticut, Utah and Florida, but getting a permit is not about guns for him. It is about the constitution. You can get a hearing to have food stamps in Connecticut, and you must have your hearing within 60 days. They can stall you for two years to get a permit in Connecticut. That makes Ed angry.
Ed has several apartments across the country, including one in San Diego. Ed was living in his motor home with his wife when they visited San Diego one winter. He spoke to the local gun shops and asked about a concealed carry permit. Then he did what any investigator does, he read up on the suspects and interviewed them. He read about “good cause” in San Diego and recorded his two interviews with the San Diego deputies. He expected to be turned down.
At first the NRA, SAF and CRPA didn’t help him. Ed paid the first 15 thousand dollars of his own legal bills to get the case to trial. The NRA funded his case on appeal.
Ed has a permit in Connecticut. Notice these similarities between Connecticut and San Diego. Connecticut has 3.5 million people. San Diego County has 3.3 million. Connecticut covers 5, 500 square miles. San Diego County covers 4,500 square miles. The population and population density is very similar. Connecticut has 203 thousand concealed carry permits, or 4.5 percent of the population. San Diego has 1200 permits, or .04 percent.
Ed is in his mid sixties. He said, I may not get to see the case settled, but I hope you will! The legal case, Peruta VS San Diego will change the lives of 60 million americans.
Here he is after his talk.
Paul, play audio (Insert quote)
He was as comfortable with a tea party group as he is giving legal testimony.
(who???) Gun Quotes- If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams
Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.
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Segment 3 Interviews
Doris Wise Montrose
Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- Let me comment on Jews can shoot. Some of my friends feel they need to be perfect instructors before they take a friend shooting. Doris would like to be perfect, but progress is more important than perfection. She is a teacher and a student. She has some lectures in mind with police officers, assistant district attorneys, and defense lawyers. That should be interesting.
This story was emailed to us by listener and frequent email correspondent Anthony L. Thanks to all of our listeners who frequently email us to let us know about stories that they think we may be interested in! You knew this next story was bound to happen in Chicago. A licensed concealed carry holder was also a driver for Uber. He was waiting in the Logan Square area while a group of people walked in front of his car. That is when Everardo Custodio began firing into the crowd. The Uber driver pulled out a handgun fired six shots and hit Custodio. No other injuries were reported. The Chicago Police chief said concealed carry holders were a danger to the public, but this Uber driver is a better shot than Chicago and New York police officers.
Homeowner Defends Himself From Driveway Robbery
A Conway Arkansas homeowner effectively and somewhat exuberantly defended his life Monday night. Two men interrupted James Allen’s walk toward his car and demanded money. He drew his CCW, but the robbers shot first and missed. Mr Allen then performed a fighting retreat behind a hail of 20 bullets. The altercation left holes in a neighborhood house and Mr Allen’s car. Fortunately, no one was injured and unfortunately, there have been no arrests.
The value of suppressive fire has long been known by the military. And while we will not argue with success, Mr Allen’s neighbors might have appreciated a bit of restraint. We must reiterate that a shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round he or she fires.
A Self-Defense Shooter is Shot in Self-Defense
A woman learned the harsh fact that a self-defense situation doesn’t stop with the shot.
The Huntsville, Alabama woman was forced to shoot when her armed estranged husband invaded the house she shares with her mother. When the police arrived, she was standing in her garage holding a shotgun. When ordered to drop the gun, the woman, who could have been in shock or partially deafened, turned toward the cops with the gun. At least one officer fired. The woman is expected to survive, her ex is in critical condition.
Self-defense instructors point to the first contact with the police as an especially dangerous time. If possible, someone should meet the cops and explain the situation. Again, if possible, no gun should be near the victim’s hands; it should be either holstered or put on the ground well away from the perpetrator. It goes without saying that the victim should be as non-threatening as possible and immediately follow the cop’s instructions. If there is a doubt, slowly getting flat on the ground with hands spread would seem to be a good course.
Shopper Interjects Himself Into a Family Feud
A simple trip to the grocery store got a lot more complicated for a Little Rock, Arkansas man Wednesday. Walking out with his groceries, the man identified as Gene saw an elderly man being attacked by seven younger men. He could not ignore that situation, so he dropped his groceries and drew his concealed weapon. He stopped the attack – and provided all CCW carriers with a learning opportunity.
The altercation Gene had injected himself into did stop. However, another shopper dialed 911 and reported him as a man waving a gun. Others hung around a potential gunfight taking video and pictures. The men told him this wasn’t his fight and to put his gun down. When the police finally arrived, both the attackers and the victim had long since fled.
Gene had involved himself in a situation that most cops dread: a family feud. The old man was being set upon by his nephew. What looked like a serious attack might have really been a loud, somewhat physical argument. Fortunately, Gene maintained his composure and kept his finger outside the trigger guard and alongside the pistol.
Several bystanders indicated they would have also have acted as Gene did. So, what would you have done?
Self-defense philosopher Michael Bane strongly cautions about getting involved in someone else’s problem. It is almost impossible to correctly grasp a situation at a glance. Is that man wrestling a woman a rapist — or a husband trying to restrain his wife from hurting herself? Michael urges people to first ensure the safety of themselves and their loved ones, and only then act as a good observer for the cops.
Although we certainly tip our hat to Gene and his decision to help an elderly gentleman, we must reiterate that as concealed carriers we are not law enforcement; rather, we are sheepdogs protecting a very small flock.
Don’t Torque-Off the Old Gal
A kindly old Fort Worth grandmother proved she was made of much sterner stuff than her age would suggest.
Jewell Turner, 74, rolled down her minivan window to help a stranger asking for directions. That stranger put a knife to her throat and demanded the contents of her purse. The Old Gal thought about what was in her purse, briefly considered her deceased husband’s switchblade, but instead choose the handgun. “I just reached down, got the gun and turned around and pointed it to his face. And I told him; ‘You back off, or I’ll blow your head off.’ “
Turner said she felt taken advantage of by the man, who preyed upon her sense of kindness. “This let me know there is a dark side,” Turner said. “I noticed there was a dark side in me, too. Because when I first pulled that gun on him I actually wanted to shoot him. But I stopped and thought about it. I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.” Somebody like a steely-haired grandmother.
As for that very, very lucky stranger, the pistol-packing granny remembered that “…his eyes got big and he just backed up and he took off walking down the street like nothing happened.” No doubt resolving to never again Torque-Off an Old Gal.
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Segment 5 Show close
Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote about a new gun ban at San Diego’s Petco Park where the Padres play. The local police and the team owners don’t want concealed carriers in the park. Now they won’t let off-duty law enforcement officers into the park either. It is a political decision, not a security decision.
I also wrote about the new Pew Research poll we covered in the news. It made me laugh at the news media. The news media sensationalize crime and violence.. and then they seem surprised when their viewers think we live in an unusually violent world. It comes as a shock to the journalists, but an armed society is a polite society. Take an example from the NRA convention. Even the police could relax when 80 thousand gun owners had their back in Nashville.
John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?
I have started my blog series Bad Apple Lawyers. It will profile the attorneys who are behind the lawsuits intended to curtail gun rights. Many of these lawyers are with large law firms and they are donating their legal expertise pro bono or free to the Brady Center and other groups. Lawyers and others who practice lawfare on the Second Amendment need to be exposed for the anti-civil rights bigots that they are. The first to be profiled will be law professor David Kairys who’s theories were used in many of the early lawsuits in the 90s and early 2000s.
You can find this and other posts at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. (Paul – Rob did a lot of excellent work this week – as he and Gary and John do most weeks. CF)
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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