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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob, I’d like to go first. I’ll be at the NRA convention. Thank you to the listeners who contacted me by e-mail and I look forward to meeting you. I’d like to ask our listeners a few questions and draw on their wisdom. What are your favorite firearms podcasts? What do you think we should do to promote the right of self-defense in our culture? I’m looking for big and small answers meaning what should you and I do, and what should large organizations do?
Rachel- I enjoyed helping out at the Appleseed booth at the Mesquite Self-Reliance Expo last Saturday. I also had a very gratifying past few days seeing activists show up at the Capitol in support of the second Amendment. More on that in the news segment…
John – About all that I have to report is that my new IWB holster arrived and I’m breaking it in so I can take with me to the NRA Annual Meeting. I’ll be attending the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville this weekend to help
Seg 2- News
John – The CCDL gun rights rally in Hartford, Connecticut had a really good turnout. While some media outlets are saying 3,000 attended, reports from those who were on the ground say it was actually between 4-5,000 gun owners who attended. David Codrea was the keynote speaker. He said it was his choice to not obey these illegal edicts. From the pictures, I saw supporters from many other states. Of course the Hartford Courant thinks this law should be a model for the nation and Gov. Dannel Malloy thinks the NRA should be pushing Obamacare.
Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds. Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm. You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link. I’ll be there this Saturday. If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.
John – Brian Frayne teaches concealed carry classes with Cardinal Training in Mendota, Illinois. While he could teach the classroom part there, his students would have to travel to Rockford for a shooting range. So he came up with an idea, build one of his own. And that’s just what he did. So far Brian’s helped 60 people practice shooting here at his new outdoor facility. “One of the local contractors in the Paw Paw area, they trucked in dirt and built our berms for us. And then we had the NRA come in and give us their blessing so we could insure the place,” says Brian. He says the endeavor is more of a hobby than a money maker. “Between your insurance, your liability insurance, your corporation insurance, the whole nine yards, all these (expenses) add up,” he says. But overall, business has been good for Brian, keeping him, and his range, busy…
Rachel- We commented on the falling crime rate in Chicago, but it might be an illusion created by false reporting. A 12-month examination of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics going back several years identified 10 people who were beaten, burned, suffocated, or shot to death in 2013 and whose cases were downgraded to more minor crimes, or even closed as non criminal incidents for illogical or, at best, unclear reasons. Many police officers interviewed during the examination recounted instances in which they were told to reclassify their reports. One detective refers to police management having “magic ink” which means the power to make a case disappear.
Rob- It is a corrupt system when the police ignore crime to hide the politician’s failings.
John- Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday that gun tracking technology is something the Justice Department (DOJ) wants to “explore” as part of its gun control efforts. Holder told a House appropriations subcommittee that his agency is looking into technological innovations. “Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe by making them either through fingerprint identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” The Justice Department has requested $382.1 million in increased spending for its fiscal year 2014 budget for “gun safety.”
Rob- Have you noticed that these regulation always apply to civilians, but not to Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice. He could force this on this DOJ tomorrow. Holder is saying Smart guns for thee, but not for me.
Rachel- This from an op-ed in the Columbus Dispatch. The gun-culture of Ohio changed dramatically. Tuesday marked the 10-year anniversary of licensed concealed carry in Ohio. 5 percent of adult Ohioans now have their carry license. Over those ten years, the General Assembly stopped debating if citizens could carry, and debated when and where citizens should carry. In Ohio, as in other states, licensed civilians are exemplary.
Rob- Also for our Ohio listeners, the Buckeye Firearms Association released a list of endorsed candidates for the primary election. The polls are open for early voting, so do your reading first.
John- Speaking of candidates.. democrat Mike Dickinson is running for Congress in against Eric Cantor in Virginia’s 7th Congressional District. Dickenson tweeted some hateful comments about the NRA and NRA members.
-the NRA is a god awful fear mongering group and those who support the NRA are pure trash
-If you are a member or supporter of the @NRA I don’t want your support. Joining the @NRA is like joining the crybaby association
-Members of the @NRA have very low IQs. They have a trigger finger mentality.
-NRA members are “descendants of the KKK.”
There are several things I don’t like Eric Cantor, but I can’t find much to like about Mike Dickinson.
Rob- There is some good self-defense news from Tennessee today. First, the Tennessee Senate voted for unlicensed open carry. (unlike texas) This is critically important to protect honest firearms owners if they don’t have a concealed carry permit. A common problem is if a homeowner defends himself with a firearm in his home, and then steps outside his home to meet the police. There you are open carrying in public.
Rachel- Better news is that Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam signed Senate Bill 1771 into law. This repealed the ban on automatic knives and possession of knives over four inches in length “with intent to go armed.” The previous law was vague and often abused by prosecutors. After the first of July there are no longer any illegal knives in Tennessee. Last year Tennessee passed a law preempting cities from passing their own knife laws.
Rob- California State Sen Leland Yee pleaded not guilty today on federal charges that could send the Senator to jail. Keith Jackson, a former Yee consultant and one of 29 other defendants, also pleaded not guilty at a joint arraignment. Government agents posed as medical marijuana businessmen, a technology vendor and a man seeking a proclamation honoring a Chinatown group. The agents paid Democrat Senator Yee for his help.
John- My history professor said people are the true constant in human history. For that reason it is welcome news, but no surprise, that more guns continue to save lives and reduce crime. Economist Mark Gius has a new study in the journal Applied Economics Letters that weighs in on guns and crime. Gius documented that shall issue carry laws predict lower rates of homicide involving firearms. Gius also found that state-level assault weapons bans have no statistically significant effect on the homicide rate involving guns.
Rachel- Many of us are envious of the gun-friendly laws Arizona residents get to enjoy. But they’re not content to sit back and enjoy it – they’re still standing up for full firearms freedom. Currently, HB 2339 is making its way through the legislature. It would ensure that a Public (state and local government) establishment or event cannot ban CCW permit holders from carrying unless methods (metal detectors, security personnel, etc.) are used to determine if anyone entering is armed. You can track the bill at the Arizona Citizens Defense League site.
Rachel- The Texas state legislature is not currently in session; however, there was an Senate committee interim hearing to discuss removing barriers to the 2nd Amendment. This is quite unusual, and is a direct result of activists conducting open carry marches, petitioning legislators, and making their voice heard in other ways. Although there’s not a bill under consideration, this gives the Senate an idea of how many people might actually show up for the real deal next year. We rocked it – final count was around 50 of us, 5 of them testifying.. I’m so proud of all the activists who showed up – everyday citizens who stuck it out all day without breaks, and got up and spoke their mind. View the hearing here (start at 3:50:40). My testimony is here.
Rachel- A letter written by a soldier at Ft. Hood has hit the internet. It contains his powerful testimony of the horrible atrocity of gun-free zones. 1st Lt. Patrick Cook was in a room the gunman tried to enter; another soldier blocked the door and continued to hold it shut even after being hit fatally with a .45-caliber pistol as the gunman shot through the door. Cook writes, “Nearly a week later, I can still taste his blood in my mouth from when I and my comrades breathed into his lungs for 20 long minutes while we waited for a response from the authorities. This Soldier’s name was Sergeant First Class Daniel Ferguson, and his sacrifice loaned me the rest of my life to tell this story.”
Rob- Gun Quotes
“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow.” Author- Jeff Snyder
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Segment 4 DGUs
John – This is not your typical DGU. On Monday, Daniel Yealu (YAY LOO) walked into the LAPD’s Wilshire Station and West Traffic Division and opened fire on the police officers sitting behind the front desk. Yealu was reportedly angry that he had been turned down for the LAPD Police Academy. Both police officers immediately returned fire and the shooting was stopped. One of the officers was wounded in the gunfight and is in stable condition with wounds to his shoulder and side. Yealu is in the hospital in critical condition. Contrast this with the recent Ft. Hood shooting which left 3 dead (the shooter doesn’t count) and 14 wounded. The LA shooting was stopped quickly and decisively without more officers being injured. Why? Because there were armed individuals who were able to protect themselves and their fellow officers as well as a number of non-LEOs who were attending a neighborhood council meeting in the station at the time.
Rachel- Another Detroit homeowner defended his home against robbers this morning. Two 19 year olds smashed a window and broke into the Asbury Park home before 6AM. The 47 year old homeowner shot the male who died at the hospital The 19 year old female was also shot and is listed in critical condition. Police Detroit police Seargent Michael Woody commented “I know this is a hot button topic and Detroit Police Chief Craig has addressed this issue many times. We fully support our good Detroiters, good Americans, that are legally in possession of weapons defending their homes. We will support our citizens in that matter. This seems to be another one of those incidents.”
Rob- Let’s contrast this with John Barbieri, the new Police Commissioner in Springfield Massachusetts. Barbieri said, “Studies show it’s better to be a good witness than to provide an armed resistance. Unless there is convincing data otherwise, I will continue giving conceal permits based on need.”
I bet Detroit will have better success than Springfield in stopping violent crime.
John- So will the citizens of Winter Haven Florida. The gun culture is more than an angry dad. A man breaking into a Winter Haven home woke the entire family as he forced his way through the porch door. By the time Michell Large forced his way to the kitchen, the mother, father and son were armed. The first shot missed, and Large continued entering the home. At least two more shots were fired and the intruder was killed. The family said they did not know the intruder. Police Chief Gary Hester said, “It’s not a very far reach to assume that if someone’s forcing their way into your residence early in the morning, they’re not there to wish you well.”
Rachel- A masked suspect entered a Lafayette, Louisiana convenience store at about 8pm armed with a revolver. The robber demanded money, and fired one shot at the store clerk. The store clerk returned fire. The suspect fled the store without any money and the store clerk was not injured in the robbery.
Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
Tips and tricks segment with Dave Cole
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Rachel- Email from William
Paul and crew, really enjoyed the recent podcast with the philosophical discussion on violence and video gaming. The talk about statistics reminding me of an old story.
The president was working on a very hard problem and noticed his economics advisor walking in the hall. He called him in and said, “I have a very hard problem and I need some help. Can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”
The economics advisor, after thinking about it for a while replied, “I think the answer is 2 Mr. President.”
The president thanked him and got his secretary on the phone and requested his science advisor to come to his office. When the science advisor arrived he explained the problem and the scientist sat down with pencil, paper and slide rule :(I said this was an oldie!)
The science advisor finally said, “After working through the latest related Eigen function the probability density indicates that the answer is probably very close to 2.
The president thanked him and hollered to his secretary to get his chief statistician in there at once.
Upon his arrival the president said, “I’m trying to figure this out and have already got some answers but I’m just not sure. Since you deal with numbers all the time, can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”
The statistician got a worried look, ushered the secret service agent out of the room locking the door to the oval office, pulled all the shades and whispered in the presidents ear, “Well Mr. President, what would you like it to be?”
I do have a question concerning toy guns I’d like to hear your opinions on. I’ve heard many say that they make their kids follow the 4 gun safety rules when playing with toy guns. I can’t say I disagree but thinking back, that sure would have made playing cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers very dull. I have no idea how many times I shot, and was shot by my friends.
While I don’t remember my parents sitting me down and explaining the difference between make believe and toys, or reality and real guns. It just seems I and my friends knew the difference with regard to guns and most other things. A toy gun, blast away, even a BB gun, don’t do it. I’m not so sure that is the case now.
But then all of us had parents who actually paid attention to us. maybe that made the difference, kind of like the problem with parenting now and violence, which you all seemed to be talking about in that episode.
Times have changed and I can definitely see both sides to this. Do you think in these times kids should be allowed to enjoy play with toy guns or should the safety rules be strictly adhered to even with toys. I must keep in mind that when we do force on force with air soft guns we are certainly breaking some rules.
John- Email from Scott
I’m a tanker truck driver who is very passionate about the Second Amendment my wife and I enjoy shooting all the time my wife and I are with the group in Texas called open carry Texas. It’s just like the group Rachel is in . Could you please add open carry Texas to your group of gun associations.
Rob- Email from Daniel
Violent games/media probably does desensitize kids to violence, even if it is just a little bit of desensitization.
Being desensitized to violence isn’t the end of the world. In fact that desensitization is irrelevant because in 99% of the population it will never manifest itself, that 99% will never act on it.
In the 1% of the population that will commit violent acts (regardless if they were or were not exposed to violent media), the fact they were exposed to violent media only aids in their desensitization to violence, making them more able to act out hyper violent acts.
So in conclusion, I think watching violent media does not make you MORE likely to commit violent acts, but those that would normally commit violent acts and were exposed to violent media, are desensitized enough to be able to carry out ultra violent acts rather than marginally violent acts.
I think a bigger factor is drugs. Weather illegal drugs, or prescribed drugs for kids with “adhd” or “hyper active disorder” etc , play a bigger role in making people fly off the deep end and go ballistic.
Maybe bigger than that is isolation, lack of role models/ parents/ discipline.
Thanks yall love the show and LOVE the fact that yall have intelligent, civil conversations on topics you all don’t agree eye to eye with.
You can use my name if you want.
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John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.
John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next classes are April 12th and 13th in Richmond Virginia. April 12th is women only and April 13th is Co-ed. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.
Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.
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Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.
John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,
Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Texas Firearms Freedom, Open Carry Texas, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.
Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association
Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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