Episode 191 – Bob Mayne

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on   Wednesday, December 18th, 2013.  I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Ron Burgundy, and on today’s show we talk with firearms instructor, survivalist and podcaster Bob Mayne.
Tom: No, I’m Ron Burgundy,: and we have our usual segments of gun news and DGUs, so climb aboard.
Rob: Strap in,
Paul: And hang on, episode 191 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Paul: Stopped for lunch today in Oak Grove, Ky. Home of Ft. Campbell.  As I was walking out of the Waffle House I hear a helicopter and look up. I have seen movies featuring Chinooks, I have seen pictures of Chinooks, but this is the first time I have seen one in the air. 2 things. #1 the SOB is HUGE!!! #2 I am glad those folks are on our side. Also driving in Southern Illinois today I saw one of the brand new redesigned Corvettes. That is one DAMN sexy car. Guns? I wish!
Tom: Home from Search and Rescue, where I rescued some good barbeque.
Rob:  Looking for work and had a company set up an interview and then ditch me.  Had 100 people over for the local tea party Christmas party.  Shannon Grove is a California State Assemblywoman and an awesome speaker.
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Seg 2, News
Paul: Last September, the CEO of Starbucks asked that people refrain from bringing guns into their stores.  Well someone forgot to read the memo.  A man described as in his mid 20s, 6 foot to 6-2, walked into a Colorado Springs Starbucks last Sunday.  The man produced a gun and demanded cash.  He left when the clerk handed him the cash from the register.

Tom:  CHILLICOTHE, OH  The American Drug War claimed another casualty when a 35 year old woman was shot in the head while sitting on a couch at home.  She was shot by an incompetent police officer, who fired his weapon through an exterior wall prior to raiding the home.  At about 10:30 p.m. on December 11th, a group of cops prepared to break in and capture people for drug possession.  One of the officers, Sgt. Brett McKnight, an 11-year-veteran of the Ross County Sheriff’s Office, negligently handled his weapon and fired a round through the exterior wall of the mobile home killing the woman.
You or I would be in jail for this.  The four rules apply all the time.

Rob: News Article sent to us from Chris on Facebook
1750 carry-on bags were pulled from U.S. airports this year because they contained a gun, often loaded, according to the Transportation Security Agency.  John Pistole, the TSA administrator, said that amounted to an average of about five weapons a day uncovered by screeners. Many of those guns are loaded.  “There’s a procedure for anybody who wants to transport a gun on an airplane to declare the gun in checked bag, rather than through carry-on. You can’t take it in the cabin of the aircraft. … You have to declare it to the airline and have to have it unloaded. You have to have it in a locked solid container in your checked bag,” Pistole said.

The number of guns confiscated by the TSA has skyrocketed from 660 in 2005 to double that in 2011 – and nearly triple that in 2013.  The TSA said the increase was possibly tied to the fact that the number of weapons Americans carry continues to rise, up 16 million last year alone.

Airports in Atlanta and Dallas saw the most confiscated guns.  None of the weapons confiscated in 2013 was intended to be used on a plane. Pistole said the travelers found with weapons in their carry-on baggage were not terrorists or people trying to do harm.  “It’s just a matter of people not thinking about what they’re carrying. … These are people who have simply forgotten and go through [security checks] and then realize their mistake,” Pistole said…

Fliers found with weapons in their carry-on bags faced possible fines and arrest and a forfeiture of their guns.  “Our request is that before you stop and think of what you’re packing and then to travel accordingly.”

Most of us are doing it right.  About .01 percent of us are doing it wrong.
Paul: Use Abloy padlocks to protect your luggage.

Paul: If you want to take guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals (you know, the ones actually using their guns to commit crimes) a gun buy back event is about the worst possible idea.  And the people running this latest gun buyback even admitted that they didn’t expect any criminals to turn their guns in. The Living Faith Christian Center in Baton Rouge hosted the gun buyback that resulted in 71 handguns, shotguns, and rifles being turned in for $4,200 worth of gas cards with no questions asked. But ONLY legal guns would be eligible for the $50 Circle K gas cards as illegal guns would be refused. East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney Hillar Moore said, “We’re not thinking gangsters will turn in their guns.”

Tom: Hey everyone hang on, because we have three segments with Bob Mayne coming right up.
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Seg 3- Bob Mayne interview Part 1

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Seg 4- Bob Mayne interview Part 2

Seg 5- Bob Mayne interview Part 3

Seg 6- DGUs
Tom: Open
Rob: Sent to us from Chris on Facebook-  A Tyson foods employee in Monroe North Carolina was assaulted as he sat in his car.  The employee got off work at around 5:15 in the morning when two strangers approached his car in the employee parking lot.  The two thieves opened the car door and hit the employee in the head several times with a firearm, and tried to drag him from the car.  The employee retrieved his own gun and shot both assailants.  The robbers ran.  The victim retrieved their weapon and called police.  Both robbers were transported to the hospital with gunshot wounds.  Monroe Police said the employee acted in self defense and no charges will be filed.

Paul: Fort Worth, Texas police responded to a robbery that ended with the robber being shot.  The thief walked into the Smoking Dragon Gift Shoppe at about 7pm Saturday and demanded money while showing a gun to the stove clerk.  The stove manager drew his own gun and shot the robber.  The robber ran off but was was found nearby.  The thief was taken to a local hospital with at least one gunshot wound to his shoulder.

Hey, Tom, a tobacco shop is another cash business.

Tom: We have a contrast between these two stories from New Jersey.  Early Saturday morning, an off-duty Newark police officer shot a man who attempted to carjacked him as the officer was putting air in his tires at a gas station.  Marcus Brent, 19 and also from Newark, was then found at University Hospital seeking treatment for a gunshot wound and was taken into custody.

On Sunday night, a man was shot and killed as he walked with his wife to their car in the Short Hills Mall.  The two assailants fled in the stolen car which was later recovered in Newark.  The man was killed by a gunshot to the head.. and by politicians and law enforcement officers who deny New Jersey citizens the right of self defense.

Rob: This story is unusual in how it was covered by the local news in Minneapolis.  Back on December 10th, a contractor was working in a vacant home when a robber walked in through the open door.  The thief picked up a crowbar and threatened the contractor.  The contractor was a licensed concealed carry holder and presented his firearm.  The robber fled with no shots fired.

What is unusual is that the news article goes on to quote a National Research Council report saying that firearms are used as many as 3 million times each year.  The article went on to say that Minnesota law requires reporting defensive gun use, but that this crime was only reported as an attempted robbery so the statistics under-report self-defense incidents.  I say thank you to KSTP for your honest reporting.

Paul: Also in Minneapolis, an armed civilian drew his firearm after he saw two armed two thugs banging on the windows of his corner market.  The thugs saw the armed citizen and ran.  When the civilian approached the store, he saw the store owner clutching his head with a nasty head wound.  The two thugs had tried to rob the store but the store owner pushed them outside and locked the door.  The good Samaritan completed the 911 call.  Again, there were no shots fired.  Thank goodness for Minnesota shall issue, but does this count as a defensive gun use under Minnesota law?
Tom: DGU emailed from Marc
Imagine coming home to thugs in your driveway.  A Cleveland Ohio homeowner was beaten before he recovered his gun and shot the two robbers.

Maybe now the victim will realize the importance of carrying your weapon. Occasionally I find my wife’s EDC gun in the safe. I politely remind her the only thing safe is the gun. CCW doesn’t help if we don’t carry. We also need training. I speculate perhaps a person aware of their environment may have noticed two men in the driveway.  I hope I never experience needing my weapon and not having it.

DGU#2 also emailed in by Marc
Paul: WTVG (ABC Toledo) reported recently that a man defended himself and his girlfriend when a man forced his way through a window in an attempted home invasion.
From the article:

A Toledo man is recovering after he was shot, possibly during an attempted home invasion, Thursday morning.  Antione Garrett told police he and his girlfriend woke up to the sound of someone breaking into their home.  He told investigators, when the suspect came in through a window, Garret fired a handgun at him multiple times, and the crook took off. The robber was taken to Toledo Hospital for treatment and is expected to recover.

Under Ohio’s Castle Doctrine law, which took effect in 2008, if someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter the owner’s occupied home or temporary habitation, or occupied car, citizens have an initial presumption that they may act in self defense.

Rob: DGU with 37 shots fired!  PHILADELPHIA – December 17, 2013 (WPVI) — Police say an attempted robbery turned deadly when the victim pulled out a gun and opened fire on the suspect.  The incident happened around 2:00 a.m. with 37 shots fired Tuesday when an armed man attempted to rob two men who were walking to their car. One robbery target grabbed his gun and a shootout ensued that saw 37 shots fired.
Police say two accomplices of the stickup man started shooting as well before fleeing. Two weapons were recovered at the scene overnight, and late today police found a third handgun believed to have been used during the wild shootout. The robbery victim, 26-year-old Khalif Murray, was critically wounded and remains hospitalized in critical condition.  The initial robber was mortally wounded, having been shot in the head, stomach and back. He is identified as 25-year-old Broderick Howard, who is known to police with pinches including firearms violations dating back to 2006. Howard’s two accomplices remain at large.  Multiple surveillance cameras in the neighborhood did not yield pictures that have helped detectives.

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Show close and listener e-mail discussion
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Email #2
From Michael C
Subject : TN Rights Group
Hey guys. Here is a submission for your gun rights organization mentions.
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Email #3
Greg from Bremmerton
Subject: Obama Allows Great Lakes Water To Be Sold To China As Half The U.S. Faces Extreme Water Crisis
Not guns but is politics, as someone who grew up in that area, they fail to mention that there is a dam downstream of four of the five Great Lakes near Niagara Falls, also a hydro-electric power station there, might have something to do with it, plus as the population grows, all the communities suck more water out also.  Points to think about.
China just built the largest dam in the world, use your own damn water!!
Greg, Bremerton http://asheepnomore.net/2013/12/17/obama-allows-great-lakes-water-sold-china-half-u-s-faces-extreme-water-crisis/

Email #4 From Jeremy
Subject 2013 Darwin Awards (But I think the winner is a repeat)

There are a couple gun entries here.  One to shake your heads at and one to laugh about.
You’ve been waiting for them with bated breath, so without further ado, here are the 2013 Darwin Awards:

Eighth Place In Detroit, a 41-year-old man got stuck and drowned in two feet of water after squeezing head first through an 18-inch-wide sewer grate to retrieve his car keys.

Seventh Place A 49-year-old San Francisco stockbroker, who “totally zoned when he ran”, accidentally jogged off a 100-foot high cliff on his daily run.

Sixth Place While at the beach, Daniel Jones, 21, dug an 8 foot hole for protection from the wind and had been sitting in a beach chair at the bottom, when it collapsed, burying him beneath 5 feet of sand. People on the beach used their hands and shovels trying to get him out but could not reach him. It took rescue workers using heavy equipment almost an hour to free him. Jones was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Fifth Place Santiago Alvarado, 24, was killed as he fell through the ceiling of a bicycle shop he was burglarizing. Death was caused when the long flashlight he had placed in his mouth to keep his hands free rammed into the base of his skull as he hit the floor.

Fourth Place Sylvester Briddell, Jr., 26, was killed as he won a bet with friends who said he would not put a revolver loaded with four bullets into his mouth and pull the trigger.

Third Place After stepping around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door, a man walked into H&J Leather & Firearms intent on robbing the store. The shop was full of customers and a uniformed officer was standing at the counter. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, and several customers also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt.

HONORABLE MENTION Paul Stiller, 47, and his wife Bonnie were bored just driving around at 2 A.M. so they lit a quarter stick of dynamite to toss out the window to see what would happen. Apparently they failed to notice that the window was closed.

RUNNER UP Kerry Bingham had been drinking with several friends when one of them said they knew a person who had bungee-jumped from a local bridge in the middle of traffic. The conversation grew more excited and at least 10 men trooped along the walkway of the bridge at 4:30 AM. Upon arrival at the midpoint of the bridge, they discovered that no one had brought a bungee rope. Bingham, who had continued drinking, volunteered and pointed out that a coil of lineman’s cable lay nearby. They secured one end around Bingham’s leg and then tied the other to the bridge. His fall lasted 40 feet before the cable tightened and tore his foot off at the ankle. He miraculously survived his fall into the icy water and was rescued by two nearby fishermen. Bingham’s foot was never located.

AND THE WINNER IS…. Zookeeper Friedrich Riesfeldt ( Paderborn, Germany ) fed his constipated elephant 22 doses of animal laxative and more than a bushel of berries, figs and prunes before the plugged-up pachyderm finally got relief. Investigators say ill-fated Friedrich, 46, was attempting to give the ailing elephant an olive oil enema when the relieved beast unloaded. The sheer force of the elephant’s unexpected defecation knocked Mr. Riesfeldt to the ground where he struck his head on a rock as the elephant continued to evacuate 200 pounds of dung on top of him. It seems to be just one of those freak accidents that proves… ‘Stuff happens’

Should you want to share your stuff with us, our e-mail is Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.

The Roadgunner mag 40 class in Conway (sorry Chaz), Arkansas at Shoot House USA on May 15th thru 19th 2014  Registration is not open yet.  It will sell out quickly.

Facebook Feedback from Ken Kowalski
RE: Episode 188. In reference to why you carry 40 S&W.

Between this:http://ballisticsbytheinch.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/some-muzzle-energy-comparisons/
Ballistic Gel tests and Anecdotal evidence from trauma centers I don’t think there’s much evidence to support your choice. 9mm+P, 40 S&W, and 45ACP just don’t differ enough.

Facebook Feedback from Trevor Furlotte
Could it be a Christmas miracle? http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/no-charges-in-fatal-n-b-shooting-based-on-self-defence-argument-1.1598652 (from the linked article)
BAXTERS CORNER, NEW BRUNSWICK — RCMP in New Brunswick say no charges will be laid in a shooting that killed a man late last year. The Mounties say the Crown has determined there is no likelihood of conviction in Ryan Firlotte’s death because it can be argued he was shot in self-defence. Three men, including the 31-year-old victim, were wounded after shots were fired at a vehicle on Nov. 10, 2012, in Baxters Corner, about 26 kilometres northeast of Saint John. Police say the shooting occurred during an altercation with a 35-year-old man who had been assaulted earlier that day in the Saint John area. All of the men were known to each other. The Mounties recommended that prosecutors consider charges of murder, manslaughter and criminal negligence. But they say the Crown decided not to proceed with any charges after reviewing case law. RCMP say they agree with the Crown’s decision and their investigation is now complete.

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Tom: Join your local civil rights group like New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, and Michigan Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. Arizona citizens defense league, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Maybe there are others that have not e-mailed us.  In that case send us a letter if you’re a Houston Texans or Washington Redskins fan, and you have my sympathy for being afraid to turn on your computer because you might see their scores. Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

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Paul, that wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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